As you could see by the title, we had a
conversation with King Green. A
conversation like I've never had before.
I didn't even know what to expect going
into this. He shoots from the hip. And I
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>> Are you a headphone guy? No headphone
guy. What's up?
>> Uh, no headphones.
>> No headphones. All right, sounds good.
Yeah, man. I'm excited. Do you have any
questions for me before we start? I'm
just a MMA fan, bro. That's all it is.
>> I just shoot.
>> Yeah,
>> let's shoot. You know what I mean? I'll
shoot off the hips.
>> We're good to go, guys.
>> I like it.
>> You literally do shoot off the hips.
Like, you your style of fire is
>> Yeah. No, no pun.
>> Yeah. No. So, I mean, I'm I'm very
grateful to have you here, man. And
you're a vet in the game for real. So,
it's it's an honor to be able to to
speak to you and um I'm excited to start
this podcast, man.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's an honor to be
here, bro. You know, it's the dark side,
you know, right with the dark side.
>> Is that I hear that a lot with the like
the athletes
>> guys. We all from the dark side. Okay.
>> It's like a Star Wars thing. I think you
>> you like Star Wars.
>> No, but it's my team, you know. It's the
guys that's what they're doing. You go
with the movement, you know?
>> Right. I feel I feel like fighting it
definitely is kind of like it is one of
those things where it's like my side,
you know, you grow up with at camp or
something like that, you know, you're
going against another guy. Um, did you
always grow up like that where you felt
like, you know, you had to defend your
side uh when it comes to things?
>> Uh, side maybe your family, you know,
but I'm always been the guy for good.
You know what I mean? It's either you're
you're you're standing for good, you're
standing for bad. And so when I see
people doing wrong, I I don't always
represent that. And so when I always got
in a fight, it was because of somebody
bullying somebody or something like
that, you know, and so I was always
fighting for the good and that was the
side I'm picking. It's the good side.
>> Okay. I like that. Did you grow up like,
you know, scrapping just just for fun or
you kind of just like what you said,
just defending your the people that you
care for?
>> Sh, bro. I grew up in uh Fontana. Um and
in Fontana it's like 90% Mexican, 80%
black, 2% other, you know? And so the
blacks and Mexicans would have riots and
stuff a lot, you know. But I grew up
with a Mexican family. My girlfriend was
Mexican, but a lot of my homies were
black. And so they have these black and
Mexican riots. Sometimes some of the
Mexican homies would be jealous that I
got like a bad Mexican girl. So they'd
be kind of like mad at me, you know?
They want to fight and [ __ ] Then they
want to jump me, you know, and so it be
like five guys, you know, and they might
all walk up on me at one time. I'm like,
I back up, you know, get out of there.
But then when I catch you guys by
y'allselves, you know, one by one, I
pick them off. Yeah.
>> I'll be walking somewhere be like, "Oh,
that's such and such right there." And I
run over there like, "Oh, what's up?"
Boom. Boom. You know, like you guys try
to jump me and now you by yourself. You
got to fight, you know? Yeah.
>> And so I had to fight all the time, bro.
All the time.
>> Is that how you developed kind of a
style? I know you grew up wrestling.
Like that was your base, right? Was
being a wrestler. Like did you always
have that striking in your back pocket
like since you were kind of fighting?
>> Uh no I didn't know how to strike but I
knew how to throw them you know I knew
how to throw them you know so I got
understood that part of it but to
understand the fundamentals behind
certain stuff you know and actually
learned striking to its its depth.
>> Yeah. And speaking of like you know
Mexico you you fought in Mexico you
fought like three times in one night in
Mexico. How would you describe that or
just how you kickstarted your MMA
career?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Coming over Mexico was like
when I was young, I met a girl and she
ended up getting pregnant within a month
annoying her. And so I didn't have a
dad. I'm like, man, I'm scared. I'm
working six days in a warehouse. So on
my seventh day, I would go drive out to
Mexico, do a fight over there. The
homies were doing [ __ ] like that and
they got me into it and they would just
be over there with kind of like party
and [ __ ] you know, go to clubs and get
tequila put in your mouth and [ __ ] you
know, messing with wild ass girls. So,
it was like one of those type of things.
So, I'm like, man, I'll go out there,
have fun, I make 850 bucks, you know,
doing this [ __ ] Cool. I take the money
and put it away for my son and stuff.
So, that's just how I kind of got
started through Mexico.
>> Wow. So, you you worked a full-time job.
When did you realize like, yo, this is
raps. Like, when when am I going to, you
know, lock in on this MMA thing?
Sheesh. You know, real like,
man, I was still sometimes you'll see I
was still working like like a few years
in the UFC. I was still working
>> like full-time.
>> Not full-time.
>> Okay. But like I pick up a work a job
and work it
six months, eight months, you know what
I mean? Type of thing, you know, and
pick up fights when I can and do stuff
like that. I just wasn't sure. Like some
people say these things are in career in
careers, you know, and I had my doubts
and I was going through my ups and downs
and fighting and so I'm like, man, maybe
I should go be an electrician. So I went
to school for electrician and then uh I
graduated, did all that stuff. So I got
a job and started working there.
fighting to back off again.
>> I feel like fighting is just such a
weird thing, right? Cuz you're you're
always on you're fighting on short
notice. You never know what to expect.
Like how how do you get used to that
type of of lifestyle? Just being always
being ready to go. Like I feel like it
takes a different type of person to be
ready for that type of stuff. Um
for that that's for the the person that
does right everything right. He's always
ready. I'm not always ready. You might
get a half ass meat that just, hey, they
called you on two weeks notice, you
know? And so, the most fun is get your
ass [ __ ] ready. Get serious and drop
and go cold turkey and and really put
your head to the grind and eat, sleep,
train until and do the best you can. But
I've never been the guy that's always
ready. It's just, hey, they called me
when you called me. You caught me when
you caught me.
>> Is there anything that sticks out where
you definitely felt like you weren't
ready, but you still showed up? Was
there any fights in particular that were
like this is
>> uh the Islam fight, you know, I felt
like that where I had to fight I fought
Nazerat and then I'm fighting Islam 10
days later. So that one was rough, you
know, where my hands were still swollen
and stuff and and the ups and downs of
excuse me,
>> you good?
>> The ups and downs of of of
fighting where you have this roller
coaster, you finally think you're going
to decompress and realize it's like no,
get back up and you're like try to get
back up, you know, and it's a lot of
stuff like that. So little things like
that.
>> How does it feel like in between rounds?
I feel like that's that's exactly
probably how it feels. You know, you're
up, you feel good, you probably won a
round or if you're down, like how does
it feel
>> in between a round?
>> Yeah, in between a round.
>> In between rounds, that feels different.
Like in between the round,
um there's so many things that you could
be working on.
And what I mean by that is one, the
camera's right there.
>> Yeah,
>> it's right there. Especially if you were
the guy that's got a gash across your
head, you know, now they're looking in
there and seeing the guy go to work on
you and they want to see all this stuff.
>> But you look up and you see it too where
you're like, "Holy [ __ ] I look like
that." You know, you see a dude like,
"Oh, fuck." You know,
>> and so uh not to freak out now. And so
being relaxed under the cameras while
they're in front of you, but at the same
time you're trying to breathe, but you
don't want to be like,
you know, when you're tired like that,
you got to be like, you know, cool,
calm, cuz you're so you're trying to
play front, but at the same time, pay
your coaching getting the instructions
of what he's saying. Um, and also at the
same time there's a guy across the cage
and you don't know but he's watching you
too and he's looking at you to see if he
could see that hole where you just make
him one moment where you go, oh, oh,
he's tired, you know, just saw that
little moment and go and now he feels a
little bit more confident about you, you
know, or you got off the stool a little
bit too slow,
>> you know. Um, and so all these things
that you're you're transpiring in the
corner. There's so much going on, a lot
of a lot of inputs. And I feel like
that's something I was always curious as
a fan. You're like, what what are they
thinking? Like what's going on inside
their heads? I mean, some people it
looks like they're not even there like
mentally. It looks like they're
somewhere else. And it's like I wonder
what it's like to be able to I don't
know to to feel that way. It feels like
sometimes like
>> somebody like then got their ass up,
they come back and they're just not
there because they're just like I'm
exhausted. The brain doesn't work so
well being exhausted, you know? And so
you're going through this thought
process of what is happening or what's
going on? I'm trying this but this isn't
working and and so now they're just kind
of gone and their coach is yelling at
them too, you know.
>> Yeah. And a lot of questions that I
wanted to ask were kind of just like I
wanted the intention to be like if there
any other upand cominging fighters are
are listening just like to learn a few
things. You know, I feel like you've
been in the game for so long and a lot a
lot of these guys are here and they're
out there. you know, they fight once or
twice throughout the UFC. You've, you
know, you've fought so many times. So,
>> 13 years, I think.
>> Yeah. So, um, is there anything that
sticks out to like, you know, you wish
that you would have, you know, maybe
gave advice to yourself or to these
younger guys out here of like what to do
when it comes to, you know, this whole
thing of be being a fighter?
>> Being a fighter.
um
that I would give my younger self.
>> Yeah. Like advice you would be like you
would you would it would save time,
energy, frustration, money, things that
you know would help you know the younger
self.
>> Same thing I tell I would say that my
dad told me
um my dad said this. He said it's not
about what you do in the cage. It's
about what you do outside of the cage.
And what he meant by that is it's all
the distractions that come with it. Are
you g and all the choices you make, you
know, are you going to go hang out with
these guys and they're going to do
drugs? Are you going to hang out with
these girls and get [ __ ] up? Are you
going to go hang out and do this or
versus do this, you know, and all these
choices he say like he's like, you're
going to do your thing in the cage. I'm
just worried about you making decisions
outside of it and what that brings from
you. you know, now I got I'm fighting
with a girlfriend and next you know it's
messing up my practice. It's messing up
all the things I need to be working on.
And so I would tell the fighter, be
careful of what's outside of it, you
know, make sure that you keep those
things maintained because every fighter
gets problems, brother. Every fighter
gets problems. Like, and I feel like
it's the difference that makes the
difference between the two, between guys
are going to make it and guys aren't is
the difference is we're both want to be
fighters right now, right? But
my mom dies.
When she dies, I'm heartbroken, you
know, and I want to quit. But I got a
fight also, too. At the same time, I got
a fight coming in my mom dies. It's a
very hard thing to do. But
nothing comes before the show. Nothing
comes before the war. You know what I
mean? War comes first. And and that's
why you provide. and you're a provider
first. And so now the other guy, you
you got a problem. Your dad dies. All of
a sudden, you start getting hit with
these hardships. It seems like it's
weird way fighting comes. You get a
fight and then something dramatic comes
like this.
>> Yeah.
>> And most people go, "Oh, I can't do it.
I got this going. I got this going. I
can't do it." And they don't ever take
it, you know, and they never jump in the
opportunity, you know, instead. And so
what I'm saying is that's the outside
stuff, but you got to be able to deal
with the outside stuff while you still
do your job. But there's so many stuff I
see all my homies like there, for
instance, like last camp, my buddy was
helping me and he's just so motivated,
was really in it, and he had this little
bike outside the gym. Somebody stole it,
>> you know? And so I'm telling him like,
listen, somebody just stole your bike,
you know, like it's the devil trying to
break you. Here comes the hardships as
you trying to get closer to it. Here
comes the hardships. And now he can go,
"Fuck, I don't have a bike to get here
anymore. I'm just going to quit training
and quit getting ready for my fight.
I'mma quit." I'm like, "Well, that's
your test now. Is you're going to quit?"
That's what I'm talking about. The
hardship that come outside the ring and
are you going to let him break you or
not?
>> Yeah. It reminds me of like the Tom and
Jerry stuff you post like the about like
the devil breaking you and stuff. I
really I I don't know. I when I see your
stories, I think it's like I don't know.
There's a lot of truth to it even though
it's kind of funny, you know, the Tom
and Jerry cartoons and stuff like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But
>> I think he looks kind of cool. Like,
man, [ __ ] it. Put time up there.
>> I don't know why it keeps coming to my
feed.
>> Did Did you grow up a lot like with uh
you know watching a lot of cartoons and
movies and stuff like that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> What were kind of like your favorites?
>> H I'm a big Dragon Ball Z fan. That's
number one.
>> Wow. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um,
Spongebob,
you know, [ __ ] Sims Sims, Family Guy,
uh,
if you want to go like way back in the
days like that, like [ __ ] Animaniac
used to be back on I remember when you
had Channel 5 and they used to come with
some [ __ ] like that, the WB way back in
the days and the Marlor Wayne and [ __ ]
like that. So [ __ ] like that. I've
watched all kind of stuff, you know,
like that's where you learn where the
temperature of the world is who's
watching what, you know.
>> Yeah. And I I feel like there's a lot of
like things that we pick up on. I mean,
you know, it's programming watch as a
kid. We watch the same stuff have like
the same type of uh
>> you know um jokes, you know, pick up on
certain cues and stuff. I just feel like
>> it's crazy you say that. My favorite
show, like you said, Dragon Ball Z, and
they're trying to be the best fighters
in the world in this show, and here it
I'm trying to be the best fighter in the
world in real life. Yeah. I mean, crazy
that you say it's programming.
>> Yeah. Programming. And like I feel like
you are a true showman in the cage and
even on the podcast, you know, you're
able to, you know, show your personality
and have these takes and a lot of people
uh, you know, really love your
authenticity. Uh, when when did you
realize like, you know, it's more about
the show rather than kind of just like,
you know, I wouldn't say the martial
arts, but just winning in general. Just
like, you know, having the crowd there.
When did I realize that? That's a good
question. When did I realize that?
I think there was somewhere around the
time I I don't know exactly, but if I
could guess maybe uh I felt like there
was around a certain point in time where
maybe I took a loss or two
and it's not that I really lost loss
like may like I got robbed one time. If
I got robbed twice in a row and I felt
like I was broken, you know, and I'm
like, they're getting getting ready to
get rid of me and
the next fight I come, I score a fight
of the night. They're like, man, resign
that guy, get him going. I'm like, man,
I think they like that. And maybe if I
do more of that, you know, that makes
you more more marketable. I felt like
like, yeah, they like that. So now you
just kind of like it's kind of like
you're playing an audience and you play
the audience. You go and again they and
they're going to talk back to you and
tell you what they like and they tell
you what they don't. They start booing
you got a problem. They start cheering.
We're on to we're on to something.
You're getting warmer, you know.
>> Okay. I like that. I mean the maybe a
lot of people just see you for your
fight style and they see you know I
wouldn't say a character cuz it's real
like the violence is real but you know
seeing the kind of the show instead of
like the the fighter you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What how are you able to
kind of break the the two off from just
being, you know, a showman and actually
yourself?
>> You you you have to stand out, brother.
You have to stand out. You know, we're
in this business where if you don't make
your own wave, you'll just go you're
part of UFC wave, you know. And I'm
trying to make my own wave where like
some people I think hate it when Nate
Diaz because Nate Diaz is built on his
own program now where he's doing his own
thing. He's built his own wave where
Yeah. Hey, you were a UFC fighter, but
now he's kind of bigger the program.
He's kind of making more money than the
title guys champs going to make. You
know what I'm saying? And so he made his
own wave. And so sometimes you got to be
able to stand out and figure that part
out of fighting, you know?
>> Mhm.
>> And so I create this crazy style
because I just wanted to separate myself
from everyone else, you know? Secondly,
I'm a black man, you know? A black man
where like most times, bro, we have our
cultures that back us up. And if you
were a fighter, all your cousins would
come, all your people would come, but
not all of my people, you know, and it's
just like, well, they don't I can't do
it. The money, I got this going on. And
and so we don't have the same support as
as black Americans as all the other uh
countries or or nationalities. And so I
have to now work twice as hard and make
myself stand out more. Be where at least
he we got to see what he doing because
you're going because your cousin's
fighting and you're supporting him. You
don't really know MMA so well. But
because of him you were going to support
it. But now from that show I've grabbed
people were like now I made you a UFC
fan. You didn't even know who I was. You
had no idea I was on the card. But you
were like, "Hey, bro. We ran into you."
He's like, "It happens all the time."
They go, "Hey, you're that one guy." And
you're like, "Listen, bro. I don't even
know who you are, but for some reason,
your fight stood out more than
everybody's. You got something." Oh,
interesting. They catching on. Just keep
it going.
>> Gotcha. And I think the the biggest
thing that I personally am more most
curious about is how people treat you
after a win or a loss. like what what do
you what do you notice differently from
people? Um
>> Franny got a meme. He's like when you
win a fight, you come in the gym,
everybody's like, "Yeah, yeah." You
know, he's touching hands. They like
when you lose a fight, he's scared to
look around the corner. He comes looking
around, see if anybody's in the gym
like, "Oh, [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ] People are in
the gym." Comes in with his head down
like everybody's like, "Good." Like,
"You're you. No, no, it's okay. No, no,
just leave me alone." You know, like
when feelings are hurt, you feel like a
loser, you know?
>> And so when I won, I come out, I get my
drop top, I put my little drop top Range
Rover down, [ __ ] just drive through
the city and I'm the man for a day. And
it's just like I'm driving around. I'm
just in my own world. I'm happy and I'm
content, you know? But then you lose.
>> Yeah. Put that goddamn top back up,
>> you know? Put that top back up. You
don't want to be seen. You don't want to
be heard from for a minute, you know?
You're tired of everybody asking you the
outcome who didn't see the fight.
They're like, "Yeah, how'd it go?" Like,
"Oh, I lost." Oh, I got knocked out.
You're like, "Oh, fuck." You know, like,
"Damn." And so, I've had some friends
even like some friends where you've been
such the the big dog so big that like
they almost want to see your downfall.
So, when you fall, they get to tell you
like, "I told you so." type of thing.
But it's like so when I lost Patty, when
our friends came over and he was living
with me, but then he kind of we kind of
got into it and he started living on his
own. So now this is his moment, you
know. And so he's like like he comes
over to see me and he said something and
I'm just like and somewhere went to
where he's just like and that's why
Patty beat you, you know,
>> snuck it in there
>> and it's like this is your homie and
kicking you while you're down, you know?
It's sometimes it's that way, but that's
part of the loser [ __ ] you know, and
some my homies said it all the time to
me, you know, that's why this person or
Dustin, you know, and this and this, you
know, they say this stuff. They don't
realize it's your work, it's your
it's your life, it's your feelings, it's
it's all of it, but it come with this
[ __ ] and so you got to accept it.
>> And is there anything that you learned
from like, you know, a few of the losses
early on in your career and how you
handle them to be able to bounce back
cuz now you're on a threeight win
streak. you know something do you feel
like something has to change immediately
after a loss something different or do
you have to stay true or trust the
process?
Um, if I was talking to a fighter, yeah,
>> they were listening, I would tell them,
yes, something has to change his life.
For me personally, like whenever I lost,
like when I lost a dober, I literally
left
was going back to the
home to the hotel and I'm already on the
face on in Instagram calling at Dana and
telling I need to get back in there, you
know, and show this is who I am, you
know. Um, at the end of the day, skills
pay the bills. It's your skills. If you
really have the skills,
>> who's going to be here has the skills
and who doesn't isn't going to be here,
you know? And there are some s there are
some such things as luck. There are some
such things as a hail Mary, you know?
Somebody just throws a [ __ ] ball up
and [ __ ] caught it. Sometimes it just
Oh, boom. Oh, [ __ ] You ran right into
it at the wrong time. You zigged, he
zagged. Sometimes it happens that way.
And so, but the skills will always come
to the top, you know, over time. And so,
if you're truly a winner, you'll be a
winner. If you're truly a loser, you'll
be a loser.
>> Is it around the the people you hang
around too that you know influence you?
Do you feel like that plays a big role?
>> No, because the people I hang around
with
have always been the people they've
always been. You know, this is something
that they watching me and and and it's
just making more sense to them now. I
was crazy when I was younger, but when I
was younger, I was saying the same
things. Like when I was like 18, I was
telling them like, "Man, we going to run
[ __ ] bro. We going to own [ __ ] We
going to do [ __ ] We going to be kings.
We going to be like this and we going to
be like this." And like they look at me
like I'm crazy, you know? And it's not I
had no idea about I was going to be a
UFC fighter and doing all this [ __ ] I
just knew I had something special to me
that I wanted to do, you know? That's
it.
>> And I feel like WWE plays like a maybe
like an influence in at least in your
celebration, your walk in, your walk
out. Um, that's one of my favorite parts
of I mean, I remember when I was a kid,
I was like watching the UFC. I was like,
man, the walk out seems so cool, you
know? It's like it's like the camera's
on you, but it's not really it's like
just that energy you bring in before a
fight, you know? It's like, oh, that guy
got some swag to him, you know? And um,
what kind of influence did, you know,
WWE play um, a role in your kind of
career? for me um
growing up watch I was a big Ultimate
Warrior fan and then Stone Code Steve
Austin and Undertaker then you know the
Rock and and so on and so I've always
watched that stuff and I thought like
this they got they got entertainment
down you know they you see them
fireworks you see the flames you hear
the music drop you see the lights they
just had this thing and you're just like
man I want to be those guys you
Yeah.
>> And and so, man, I want to be those
guys. Um, and
when I was about 12 or 13 years old, I
realized this [ __ ] ain't real, you know?
I didn't know it was I thought it was
real. I thought it was real, too. Like,
man. Okay. I seen them kind of like
stumped if you like.
So, I get that part, but I'm like, how
are they faking the slams? How are they
faking the chairs? Like, they you can't
jump off a off of something and fake it.
you know. Yeah.
>> But then somebody said, "Oh, well, the
chairs are sawdust. I mean, the tables
are sawdust, the chairs are like foil,
aluminum foil and stuff." And so they
create these waves, you know, but
there's still some stuff involved in it,
but the guy's jumping up and then he
knows how to fall down. And so there's
theatrics to it. I'm like, "Oh, what the
that's acting, you know? I don't want to
do that now. That shit's gay." So I
stopped watching wrestling. But I
remember how it made me feel. I remember
the the emotions behind it and I'm like,
if that [ __ ] was real, you got
something, you know? And so I'm a big
wrestling fan. I'm a big like martial
arts and and and and like movie buff
like where we had Rocky, you had Blood
Sport, you had like John Kaman, you had
Antonio Banderas, all these like action
films and tough guys and stuff. And so
then you get little influences from
there, little things like that. So, like
for instance, I do the WWF, I do the
spit the water, you know, for the Triple
H. But then, like if I'm watching, if
you're watching the fight, I'll go like
this. I'll dust my shoulder off like but
that's like from like like Blood Sport.
I remember watching Blood Sport. The guy
What's the bad guy's name in that movie?
>> I I never watched it. I never seen Blood
Sport see that [ __ ]
>> Some deep ass [ __ ] that you catch, but
>> I've seen the Bruce Lee like movies, but
never never I hear GSP talk about a lot.
Uh, and so the big Asian dude in it, uh,
>> the guy kicks him, man. He's just
supposed to be all tough. He kicks him
like he just dust off like,
>> you know. So I'm like, man, that'd be
dope if it was real. So I'm taking ideas
and I'm like, this is what I would want
to see. This is what I want to do and
make fighting my own way, my own movie,
you know? And that's very hard to do
when it's real.
>> I'm doing it when it's real. It's not
like we're just doing that like cut and
now let me kick you in your face. You
know,
>> it's very hard especially like you know
when everything's exposed. It's just you
in there. You know, no one could like
you know tag you in like a you know tag
team or anything like that. So it's like
um yeah I feel like there's there's a
lot of similarities between the WWE. For
me personally like that's I get the same
feelings watching. It's a different
level but that's kind of what you know I
had the same type of experience where
I'm like this is fake. So, I want to see
what's real. And that's why I I I love
talking to you guys because you guys are
are real genuine people who share
different sides of you. And at the at
the end of the day, when you guys fight,
you show who you truly are. And uh I
mean, that's that's something that I I
noticed.
>> This thing with fighting is just so
crazy, bro. Like, it's it's such a weird
experience to have, you know, and to go
through. It's nuts, bro. Like, there's
nothing like it. And you got to enjoy
every moment that you get. You know,
this thing is like when I did this stuff
with Jason, like me and Jason were kids
when we started this stuff out. We never
imagined we'd be here.
>> And I met Jason.
>> Yeah,
>> that's a great question. He might know
more than I do. I don't remember how
long. This is so [ __ ] long ago, bro.
Like, okay, I want to say like I started
fighting like 21. So I want to say like
maybe 23,
>> you know what I mean? I want to say like
23. Yeah.
>> And so we've been together almost 20
years, you know?
>> It's amazing.
>> And so Yeah. Yeah. That's been my guy.
We never imagined we'd be right here. We
kind of so trip out and like where he
was at. He was waiting tables and [ __ ]
you know? And I'm over here [ __ ]
little foster kid and [ __ ] And we
[ __ ] went in and really changed our
our stars, you know, and really changed
our famil family's lives. And we really
did it, you So we both looking at it
back like, "Bro, we [ __ ] it up, bro.
This shit's [ __ ] dope."
>> And you're you're still killing it. I
mean, the last fight against Jeremy
Stevens, you know, you get it, you know,
unfortunately didn't get the bonus. I
feel like that was was kind of like
yours there and you got on the mic and
you kind of, you know, repped your your
stuff and I feel like that's I feel like
I don't know. I feel like you definitely
deserve the bonus, especially going out
there and killing it like that. Like,
>> and bonuses are polit political
>> political now. Like the first last one
they were saying that I got I had my
best performance when I follow Zel
Huber.
>> Okay.
>> And so I'm like cool. But then they said
they gave it to another girl because she
was from Mexico cuz she took a fight on
short notice and so he wanted to give it
to her. So, it's like, but I'm thinking
like, well, I thought it's based on
>> best fights performances, you know? I
mean, on how the fights are going and
what they're putting out for the
company. So, that's like weird, you
know? And then I don't get the bonus
that one. If you look in the Instagram
comments when they posted that,
literally every person said it. What the
kangarine all the way down the feed. I'm
like, did you look at your page? Look at
your page, YC. Look at your page. your
own fans are telling tell you this, you
know. So that's one. And then two, now
this next one, I saw I get the finish or
whatever and I'm like, all right, they
gave to Jim Miller and they were like,
well, Jim Miller is dealing with the
cancer stuff and I don't want to take
anything from Jim or anything like that,
you know, like, you know, I feel sorry
for the guy, but I'm also saying for
judging upon fighting how the fights go,
like I just looking at his fight
compared to like I don't know, I don't
think it was that good. And so just
judging fights and I don't want to be
the big-headed guy where I feel like I'm
being bigheaded and I'm like, but I know
fights and I know what that one's better
or that one. I could tell that and and
so I'm not going to be big-headed, but
I'll call fights straight down the line
like okay, I could see like like Van and
them winning fight. I could see it, you
know, amazing fight.
>> I could amazing fight. I could see it. I
could see certain fights where oh, you
can't say anything to this person
winning over you. And the last thing
about that, bro, is everyone gets got to
got got to get accolades. Like certain
accolades like you want to feel special
at your job, at what you do. And so
maybe for your job as employee of the
month. Maybe it's a raise. Maybe it's
you get some stupid certificate, you
know, you feel like you're the man. But
hey, you put it up in your office and
you're the man. And so for me, like some
guys chase titles. I didn't want to
chase the title thing. For me, it was
more so like a uh the bonuses. The
bonuses show that you are the most
exciting fighters on the planet. And so
they hype gate you Mr. Highlight reel.
They say Michael Chandler, ah this guy,
you know, he's amazing. All has all
these. I want to be the same way and I
want to be looked at in the same way.
And and and how you can tell me I'm that
way is by awarding me my awards. So I
could say, "Hey guys, I'm a 14 this like
Gachi has 14. If I would have won the
last one and won this one, I got 11."
Now I'm in the conversation at least.
>> I'm in the conversation.
>> Oh, Olivivera has a lot too as well.
Right.
>> Finishes, you know? But I don't know
about forms, but I don't know. But I
just know I remember them saying 14 for
Gi. I'm like, "Okay, he's never been in
a boring fight. He's got 14. I need to
be somewhere close to 14." You know what
I'm saying?
>> Yeah. I need to be somewhere close to
14. And so I'm trying to put these
things together and the organization
just hasn't got it got behind it yet or
it's okay. Okay, cool. And so when I'm
speaking about it, I don't want to sound
like a like a poor like a [ __ ] bitching
and [ __ ] you know, bitching and
nagging. I'm not saying that. I was just
telling Dana, I'm the most excited. I've
been doing this since the beginning and
this ain't gonna change. I'm gonna keep
doing this. So if you ain't gonna give
me the bonus, watch this [ __ ] I'll do
another one of these [ __ ] again
and see if you play with me again. Oh
yeah. Well, watch this [ __ ] I go back
and do another [ __ ] I'm
undeniable. You know what I mean? I'm
undeniable. You You can keep trying to
tell me no. And then maybe told me no.
And maybe told me no. That's twice and
maybe told me no. But I'mma get it in.
Watch. And so you will see me get a
bonus soon. You'll see it. Watch. I
won't be denied.
>> Do you call people out when it comes to
fights or you kind of just accept
whatever's cuz I think half of your
fights are short notice. Correct.
>> Yeah. At least half. you know, at least
have or short notice. And so I was
always been the guy, bro, where
I I'm the I'm the help. I'm I'm the
>> clean clean it up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm the help, you know? And
so I got your crumbs, you know? I lived
on your sofas and your couches and where
you guys want me to fill in. I fill in
the shows and stuff. Like for instance,
that's how I really got here was through
Strikeforce.
>> Yeah.
>> Strike Force. All my fights were short
notice. And what happened was you and
this guy are supposed to fight each
other and you guys are the two names and
then you're the real name they want to
push. Like you might be Randy Coutur's
son, you know, and then they were
supposed to get a fight and then he gets
hurt. So now I'm supposed to fight now.
Like are you going to fight Randy Coutur
son? Well, he pulls out now once I take
the fight. You pull out now. And so now
you pulled out and I got to fight a
fight for me on two weeks notice. and I
was supposed to be the person nobody
knew and I didn't get called and now now
they're looking for a fight for me and
so I'm fighting this guy I [ __ ] fight
that time then another time it happened
where like I'm not supposed to be here
you know like I remember Michael Johnson
had to put out for one of the fights and
I was feeling for him and I fought uh
Josh Thompson and and I fought Josh
Thompson on two weeks notice and so they
still had the poster with Michael
Johnson's name on it and face on it you
know so people were like trying to get
me to sign him but I'm like I don't want
to sign over Michael Johnson's face and
stuff, you know? So, they didn't have
time to to change the preparation.
There's been a lot of those. And so, it
come with this [ __ ] bro. You know, I'm
the help. And and and that's what I try
to tell explain to my fans is or are two
people that's really trying to make it.
I didn't deny any opportunity.
>> Everybody else said no. They said it's
risky. It's too much. It's not enough.
It's all these different excuses.
>> I never let nothing stop me.
>> Right. I took every opportunity to be
successful to make sure that I'm going
to be successful.
>> I noticed on your top apology there was
like three fights with George Mosswall
that got cancelled. Is there any like
stories that come out with that? Cuz I'm
like, man, you were supposed to fight
him three times and
>> I don't remember all that. I just know
that we were supposed to fight each
other.
>> Maybe
>> um the winner was supposed to fight for
the Strikeforce belt.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I just saw
>> Ronald was going to fight Gilbert for
the belt.
>> Strike Force. You were uh four in one,
right? On the Strike Force. Yeah. So,
the one was I fought on short notice.
Jay-Z Kavakante, who was the [ __ ] back
at the time, I fought on short notice
and then they robbed me in that in a
stupid decision. But again, I'm not
nobody and they don't want me to come in
and just beat this Jay-Z guy who has all
of Japan and Brazil behind him. And so,
it's just a lot of situations like to
where I'm just to help. And so, I went
in, I filled in and I filled in, I
filled in. I wasn't the guy. And then
the UFC get Strikeforce gets bought out.
Now they bring me into fighting. They
want me to fight. Uh um at the time they
had a guy named Jacob Vulman and nobody
could beat Jacob Vulman.
>> He was a grappler, right?
>> He's a grappler. I think he's like 7 and
0 8 and0 streak, you know, just going
through people. Nobody could beat him
and he kept disrespecting the president.
So it was a bad look, you know, and the
UFC just didn't like that. So but they
couldn't get him over to beat him. And
so I believe the matchmaker Sean Strick
Sean Shelby was like, I got somebody
that can beat him, you know, like this
one kid, you know, he can fight
wrestlers, then he can fight strikers,
you know,
>> and so they sick me on him
>> and I end up pulling a fight of the
night out and and and that's how I got
on there. But
>> I just watched that fight. I just
watched it and it was like they
he had good wrestling, right? But he
didn't really play from bottom too much,
right? And that second round you were
able to get on top but the ref stood you
up.
>> Yeah. Twice.
>> Like how do you deal with that?
>> I'm hitting them and hitting them. You
know what I mean? It's like you it's so
hard to take this [ __ ] down and finally
I get the takedown. I'm working them.
Y'all stab me back up. It's like but I'm
like bro I can scrap I'm scrap him and I
can wrestle. So take him back down
again, you know.
>> Mhm. And you end up getting the win
choking him out.
>> Yeah. And I I feel like your style gets
a lot like a lot of people talk about
your style, right? You know, you got to
keep your hands up. Of course, you know,
if if things don't go your way, that's
what they blame it on. But where do you
feel like that style originated from and
like how you're able to kind of master
that? It kind of reminds me of like um
like like uh Mortal Kombat and it's like
Boracho like he has like his own type of
style and this is this is your style and
it works good for you. So like when when
did you realize like yo this this could
be something where I could I I have like
a ace up my sleeve with this instead of
kind of you know um you know people
saying that hands are down and stuff
like that
>> or being just like everyone else.
>> Yeah being like everyone else.
>> Um I think it's just my need to be
different you know for one but this was
something that was built in me since the
beginning you know since the beginning
I've been always kind of fighting
similar
ways.
Um, like for me for instance, like when
you plug into YouTube and you plug in
fights,
what pops up on that YouTube screen is
going to be probably some
YouTube video, somebody fighting in the
backyard, somebody fighting on the
street somewhere, you know, and you see
guy, uh, uh, uh, uh, what's up? What's
up? Boom, boom, boom. You know, and so I
want to still create that element too to
the fight where it's like you want to
still see in YouTube, but I try to get
into the like some of the wrestler guy,
Russian guy, like those guys that
grapple like that, I go, "Hey, if I
punch in YouTube, I wouldn't find that."
You know what I mean? No,
>> that wouldn't. And I wouldn't want to
watch that. Matter of fact, I would
click off of it. You know what I'm
saying? And so
>> that was part of it, too. You know, it's
just that's what you wanted to see.
That's what I'm trying to make just
because it's what I saw in the streets
too. I saw it in the streets. I saw it
on YouTube. But excuse me, that's what
everything looked like, fighting looked
like to me. So, oh yeah, guys getting
each other in face and get off me. You
know what? Same type of thing, you know,
and so bringing that street element to
so guys can still connect to it like
from back home and still feel like, oh,
they was that was a real fight. It
wasn't like, "Oh, touch with the bro,
you know, be cool." Like, no. Come here.
What's up? Oh, yeah. [ __ ] you. You're a
[ __ ] You know, like, oh, what the, you
know, I like this [ __ ]
>> Yeah. And you feel like you're really
good at that kind of mental warfare. I
think Mighty Mouse was breaking down
kind of your style. You talking talking
smack is like really part of like your
skill set, I would say. Like do you have
you noticed people break down from what
kind of when you're talking to them? I
know Nick and Nate Diaz kind of also did
a similar thing, but um is that like a
skill someone could build? Like if they
if that's really their personality.
>> Um
you say [ __ ] talking. I don't believe in
[ __ ] talking. What I'm doing is I'm just
having a conversation with you. And as I
conversate with you, the things I say to
you, you will have a reaction to
>> and what you tell me from your reactions
will tell me how I going to take this
conversation, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Like if I called you a [ __ ] right now,
>> it has a certain reaction to you, you
know?
>> Yeah.
>> And when I'm really mean and I'm
disrespectful to you, your eyes might
go, you might go, "What the?" You you
have a reaction to it.
>> Yeah.
>> Is it confusion? Is it anger? And now I
see these emotions that you're giving me
and how do I play off of your emotions
now? Oh, so you're just an angry. You
pull the angry card. Oh, I'm going to
make you really angry then. You know,
>> if that gets you angry, you're going to
get really angry. You're going to be
frustrated. Mhm.
>> But then if say you're not bothered by
those things, then it's a it's just a
conversation and I'm I'm just more so
vibing with you and I'm following you
and in there and trust me, you're going
to tell me something. You know, you're
going to tell me something.
>> Just in in the way that things are
going, the words are being said to you,
you're going to have a reaction and then
it tells me something.
>> I don't think people think you're you're
smart, but you really are. Like the the
way you break down things and just have
it like a deeper level. I feel like the
outside maybe outside looking in people
are just like, "Oh, he's just a flashy
guy who just talks a lot of shit." Like
>> cocky, arrogant. Yeah, I got that a lot.
You know, they call me a big mouth. They
they said I talked a lot. They said I
need to shut up. You know, and it's like
at that time when I was going through
those trying to build this thing and
everybody was kicking me down.
>> I went through two retirements where I'm
like, man, [ __ ] this [ __ ] I'm out of
here. [ __ ] you guys. You guys don't get
it. I'm trying to entertain you guys.
Now I'm [ __ ] getting old. I'm like,
and now they finally like this [ __ ]
It's like, but like you said, they used
to call me big mouth and [ __ ] like that,
bro. They say I used to hit, they say I
hit more. I mean, I talk more than I
hit, you know? But I have the the the
division's record for the most amount of
strikes. So, I'm talking a lot, but I'm
fighting a lot. But I also got the most
defense, too.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, so how could you be fighting
the most? Because fighting and getting
into a fight is very hard to not get
hit. Because if you're fighting the
most, then that means you got to be
getting hit too. So to have the a lower
defense, too, is very hard to do. You
know what I'm saying?
>> For sure. And with, you know, being a
veteran, um, I think a lot of people
start thinking about brain damage over
time. You know, is that something that
you knew right away that you can't if
you want to be in here for a long time,
you can't be getting hit. Is that
>> sport is Yeah. The the the the trick of
the game is to hit and not get hit, you
know? And people until you've been
knocked out and stuff, you just like But
me like I really just kind of got
caught, you know, like dipping under
punch and guy caught me right on the
back of the head. Oh, out. Ah. Do you
just wake up and just like it's over?
Like how does that like
>> Oh man,
it's horrible. It's like a bad dream,
you know?
>> Oh my god. Yeah.
>> You just you just wake up and you're
there and the lights YOU'RE LIKE, "OH
FUCK." YOU KNOW, you start realizing
right when you see the lights, you know,
you don't recognize these lights. These
ain't your bedroom lights. You know,
you're like, "OH, [ __ ] NO,
IT'S YOUR NIGHTMARE." You know, you just
woke up in your nightmare like, "There's
no way that [ __ ] just [ __ ] happened.
I know that didn't happen, but I was
winning.
Fuck."
>> Do you remember like the seconds before
or do you kind of does the whole thing
kind of just like delete like from like
a movie? Um, it depends on how bad you
hurt, I believe. You know, how bad you
hurt.
>> Mhm.
>> Is it a flash knockout or is you got
concussion and you can't remember, you
know, and you're getting there like
where you like you're I've seen people
be on a on a on like a a repeating
record. They'll go, "Hey, what
happened?" You're like, "Bro, he [ __ ]
dipped and he caught you with a right
hand, you know?" Yeah. And then I
[ __ ] knocked out. He's like, "Yeah."
Okay. You be like, "Hey, bro." But what
happened though? You know, you be like,
"Bro, I'm just saying like you was
trying to you was trying to set the sit
up. He was trying to go from stuff, but
you didn't even see it in time, man. He
just dipped and caught you with a right
hand." Yeah. Yeah, bro. And then he
[ __ ] just You just And I landed like
hell. Oh, yeah. He just landed on your
face. You're like, "Yeah, okay, cool."
>> Yeah, bro. But what happened? You're
like, "Bro, I just told you he got
concussion, you know. He's [ __ ] up,
you know." And so I've been on both ends
where I don't remember exactly what
happened. I was [ __ ] you up, you
know. I just, oh [ __ ] he just caught me
somewhere, you know.
>> Yeah. The What What are your thoughts on
like what happened with Yuri and Old
Berg? Like once you saw that, you know,
with the, you know, heard hurt his knee
and Yuri's kind of do you believe in
that he was like showing mercy during
the fight as a fighter? You know, I
don't know if you watched it live or
not, but what what was your your opinion
on that? Um, I don't have too much of
opinion because I didn't watch in full
detail to have a full opinion,
>> but I saw like a little bit clips of it.
It looked like he did show mercy, you
know, cuz my thing is this is like
say something dirty happens. Say I poke
you in your eye.
Now the ref doesn't catch it. I got the
responsibility where you're like, "Oh,
you're kind of [ __ ] up now. I can take
advantage of that [ __ ] He's not seeing
it. I just run over there and start
[ __ ] attacking you and try to get the
fight over with, you know, but me
personally, I will earn it, you know? I
don't want to beat you cheating. Even
though the money's on the line and all
that [ __ ] I don't feel right cheating.
Like, I feel weird like, nah, now you
didn't really win that [ __ ] you know? I
want to really win. I don't want nothing
given to me. I earned my [ __ ] win."
And so I would stop right there and go,
"Nah, bro. My bad. Nah, I'll stop and
leave. Let you get your [ __ ] together.
Let you get back and you straight." You
could. All right. Now, I'll start back
again because I don't want to cheat.
>> I think it's different though with a a
knee injury, though, right? It's like
the eye maybe have some space, but like
their knees cooked. Like what what what
can you do there?
>> Well, what but what I'm saying is all
right, he is cooked. Right.
>> Mhm.
>> Now, in that I'm like, "Oh, you
straight. I get back off of you." Or I
could have just went in and finished
you. So he showed him that respect, let
him get off, then he came in, pop. Oh
[ __ ]
>> I was so heartbroken. I was so
heartbroken watching that fight, man.
The emotions that the UFC pulls pulls
out of you is like nothing else.
>> So you're So you're a Yuri fan?
>> Yuri fan, Charles fan, like to the core.
So seeing when Charles went against
Ilia,
>> Yeah.
>> I was like I couldn't even sleep. I was
like, what what's going on, bro? Like
did that really just happen? He
literally just knocked his ass out.
>> And I'm like, bro, no way. Charles just
>> nasty knockout.
>> That was that was bad.
>> I mean,
>> and I'm wondering if it changed Charles
>> because after that fight, wasn't that
the next fight?
>> Yeah.
>> Was that the next fight?
>> Max Max after
>> that was next.
>> Yeah, that was Gamerock.
>> Oh, it was Gamero. He sub he saw he sub
Gameamar. He choked naked choke in
Brazil.
>> I remember seeing the Game fight,
>> but
>> Mhm.
>> He ain't he he looked gunshy to me. He
look gunshy where him and Max are start
a little bit and uh uh you know he look
gunshy where I've been put to that
canvas and I've seen man get put to that
canvas and when they come back they're
not the same. It changed you. So Rashad
Evans when I at the time was when I like
I looked up to Rashad. Rashad was the
[ __ ] And I'm like, he a black man like
me. I'm [ __ ] with Rashad, you know.
But then just as I started becoming a
real fan of him, he got slept by Leota
>> Machita.
>> Yeah. After he got slept, he never
fought like that again where he never
was like trying to strike me like that.
He started rashing. I'm like, man, when
did he become this guy? It's gay, you
know? And so, no disrespect to my boy
like Rashad, but it's just like he
changed his style and he he left it
behind. You know what I mean? I don't
want to change in my public. You know,
this is the way I'm going down. I'm
gonna start this way. I'm gonna finish
this way. It's like they're like, "Why
did he pick his hands up? He got knocked
pick his hands up." Like, no, I'm not
changing because of you guys that. Not
that I'm like, "Yes, I'm hardheaded, but
I don't want to be the point where
you're a [ __ ] bro. That's what it
basically boils down. Where you pussied
out or you let it you conformed, you
know, where now you're like, I'm not
doing no more stand up, you know? That's
where Rash was shot kind of got to where
like I'm not doing no more. What? Like
what if like you had boxers that was
saying we're not going to box. We're
just going to hug each other. You be
like, bro, I'm not watching your fights
anymore. That would be weird if if you
just went there and just hugged and
hugged and hugged. I'm not watching your
fights. So you have to make a conscious
decision as a fighter. No, I'm not going
to change because these things I got an
audience that expects certain things out
of me.
>> Mhm. And did you do you remember that
moment the first time you came back and
maybe those questions came up to mind
because I like I think about like maybe
before you get ready for a fight, you
know, in the rooms getting ready. Um,
how would you describe those type of
feeling, especially if you just come off
a loss and stuff like that? Like what
kind of things are coming into your mind
that are kind of playing tricks on you
before you get out there?
>> Interesting. Interesting.
>> You ready for this one?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Nothing.
Because whatever happens in the past
happens in the past, you know, and if
you're focused on the past, you're not
focused on the future, you know? And so
if I keep looking at, oh man, I got
knocked out. Like, yeah, learn from your
mistakes in the past. Learn, but don't
dwell, you know, dwelling and I keep
looking back there. You look back there,
you're going to crash. But I'm so
looking at forward that none of that
[ __ ] happened matters. I'm so busy
making new memories. Like I'm not a
picture photo guy. Like I need a memory
for a photo. I'm too busy making new
memories that I that's old.
>> What if we just make a new movie though?
You're like, "Oh, that was a cool
movie." You got to be able to look back
and do you think do you feel that way
too with the positive stuff or just you
know if it's a lesson you kind of just
move past it?
>> Positive stuff too at all. It's all in
the past because
these things that are happening to us
can also shape our our
personalities. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> It can make you more docile, more
aggressive, you know, and blah blah
blah. And so if I'm a lo if I'm a loser
and I still feel like I'm a loser
because I was a loser yesterday, I might
wake up today and feel like a loser. You
know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> But it happened now was I was a loser
that day. You know what I mean?
>> And today I'm I'm focused on winning.
I'm not a loser today. And so
>> those things in my mindset is just like
anything that happens in the past, focus
on the future.
Rinse, repeat, wash it off it. That's
it's all for you. You got to you got new
you got new ways to grow. You got new
things to learn, keep growing and keep
being at a uh growing as a person and
learning versus dwelling in the past.
>> And during a fight, are you able to
still have that same presence instead of
say if you just, you know, you you got
clipped, maybe you got get hit with the
right hand and just trying to focus on
the next thing. Like how are you able
to, you know, cuz I feel like the energy
in the crowd, you know, people react
based off the emotion. So, how are you
able to stay present in that and still
find your groove? Is there any like
fights that you remember in particular
where you're like, I still have a
chance. I still could pull something off
and you did like what what kind what
comes to mind?
>> H
that's just never quitting you, you
know, like say you're down around you
got to pull some [ __ ] out, you know?
Like I fought fezf and then they end up
giving us like a split draw and gave it
to him and it's like I mixed his ass but
first round I kind of gave him the first
round kind of like just feeling him out
some and just taking it easy but then
I'm like I know the person I am. Here
come the second and third round. I'm
going to pick it up now. I was just kind
of like playing a little too much that
first round. Um
wait a minute what was your question
again? like being present like maybe
having those type of thoughts maybe in
the past like how are you able to just
lock back in and be like oh yo this is
like I'mma change this how the
trajection of the
>> um either I'm really crazy I'm really
strong bro I I can't I don't know but
>> I'm just that person life has built me
this way through all the struggles and
stuff that you're not a I'm not afforded
to sometimes even
afforded to hurt or afforded to to
analyze
because like say you did some [ __ ] right
and you feel good about it like you just
built the le leaning towers you know you
like I did that you know but your mom's
and your Mexican family's dying right
now
>> you going to sit there enjoy that or you
going to go over there and make sure you
go do that now you're you're involved in
that you know what I mean and so I have
so many things going on that I really
don't even get time to unplug or detach
or or some [ __ ] like that, you know.
>> Mhm. And you do have other ventures,
right? Like you have u strip club, like
you have other businesses like do you do
you feel like as a fighter you got to
have some other types of uh sources of
income to be able to kind of live a
lifestyle that that you want to live?
>> Um
I don't want to answer it the way I want
to answer it because that's a little too
crazy. Okay.
Say it a different way if you want, but
I just like I feel like a lot of these
guys like are starting to notice the
social media and like yo, I see you out
there in the Jackson podcast. You're out
here getting Dominic Cruz and you're
getting your name out there and I feel
like that side of things are just, you
know, open up a lot of opportunities to
different not just fighters.
>> Yeah. Different avenues. Yeah.
>> Um and yeah, you want to do those type
of things. Um, I feel like it's uh Dana
White said it's like this isn't a
career.
>> The average guy's here two years, four
years tops, you know. That's the average
career in the UFC. Two, three years, you
know. And so get what you can while
you're here and get out, you know. But
that's why I would say like a person
first come here, make sure I tell them
make sure you put the money down and
first thing on the house, you know, get
the house ballot down. Now, if even if
you become a regular person, you got the
down payment for the house p taken care
of and now you can go be normal and work
a normal job and try to keep your
mortgage, you know, but like in terms of
my businesses, like I got the strip club
going. I do like real estate. I got like
eight homes in real estate right now
that I'm working with. Uh I got uh my
own collagen drink that I'm working on.
It's called DNA. Um Hydro DNA.
>> Okay.
>> Um I got shirts that I'm pushing. I got
products that I'm advertising, you know,
like this here, Stealthy. They pay me to
promote their vapes and stuff. And so
that I'm pushing my kids. I got so many
things that I'm going to push and work
this and work this and work this. You
know, you need all these different
avenues to
cuz you never know when this thing is
going to end, brother. You never know.
Tomorrow you could blow your knee out.
You know, you could just twist it. No.
everything that we thought was going
this way just took a hold and it's over,
you know. And so I'm investing in homes.
I'm investing in businesses. I'm trying
to get my tire shop going. I'm trying to
get, you know, can we build a tobacco
shop? Can we do this and that? I'm
trying to get everything I possibly can
going, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Because I'm almost 40 years old. Who
knows when the trip's going to end? I
don't plan on it ending soon, but who
knows how long this body will last, you
know?
>> Yeah. I mean, it seems like you're aging
in reverse, man. Just the way the way I
I saw that first fight you had in the
UFC. And honestly, your body doesn't
look that different from where we saw
the last fight. Like, how are you able
to keep that shape? And I know you like
smoking and stuff like that, too. I know
probably people think that, you know,
affects your cardio and stuff, but like
what what do you feel like is the main
thing that's helped you, you know, stay
healthy throughout all these years?
>> Um, I'm a health freak, too. I I say I
eat fat and I'm a fat guy, but I'm very
conscious of like health stuff. Like I
always watch all kind of like
YouTubetubes and [ __ ] on stupid [ __ ] So
>> Santa Cruz, you you watch Santa Cruz
medicinals?
>> No. No.
>> No. He's health. He's kind of like a
health guy.
>> No, I'm going check him out.
>> Yeah, check him out.
>> You ever heard of Dr. Eric Berg?
>> No, I don't know. And so he'll go like,
"Hey, this is the reason you're having
trouble sleeping because you're not
taking magnesium, you know, but then
don't mix magnesium with melatonin. They
don't go together or certain stuff like
that." So, you start learning, oh, these
vitamins got to be taken separate from
these vitamins.
>> I've heard of Dr. Sebie. You heard of
Dr. Sebie before?
>> Yeah. Yeah. But you see Dave Dave
Chappelle's uh standup. He talked about
Dr. Sebie in
>> Oh, no. I haven't seen that. No.
>> He talked about Dr. Sevy in it and he's
they saying the Dr. Sevy said he cleared
AIDS and then all of a sudden he gave
Dave got a guy brought and paid Dr. Sevy
and stuff and the guy died. So it's like
but at the same time he is on some
things the herbs and stuff. That's what
I'm big on is herbs and stuff
understanding like things like garlic uh
apple cider vinegar uh olive oil. these
things are really high in antioxidants,
high in anti-inflammatory properties and
stuff like that. And so I've always been
stuff like that. Fish oils are super
big, you know, huge. Uh and then what to
mix stuff with. People taking vitamin D,
but maybe they're not taking with
vitamin K. And so little things like
that. So I'm always like a health guy
like that.
>> I buy some supplements for you, man.
>> If you had your own supplement brand, I
King Green subs.
And so I've been learning about stuff
like that and that's what keeps me
healthy in those type of ways. But when
I'm a complete fat ass, like I'm a
foodie. I eat so so much and I get fat.
But when it's time to get serious, I'm
on my apple cider vinegar. I'm on my
olive oil. I'm on this stuff. Epsom
salt. I'm on mnesium.
I'm on fish oil. I'm on all these
different things you need like to be
ready.
>> Gotcha. And what are some things outside
of camp that you like enjoying? Like
what kind of foods do you like have to
have to eat? So, like sushi is my
favorite food. Okay.
>> Sushi. Sushi.
>> And so, I'm going to find anywhere I go
the the best sushi spot, the best pizza
spot.
>> Have you been to Japan?
>> Um, no. No, I haven't yet. It's one of
my It's on my to-do list. Like, I
stopped by for uh on my way to Thailand,
you know, but never really hung out cuz
they don't really let you smoke in
Japan. I can't smoke weed. So, I'm like,
I don't want to come here.
>> Yeah.
>> So, only that's why I love Thailand.
They let you smoke weed. So, I'm like,
hell yeah. This is my favorite spot. Um,
what were you just
>> favorite food? Like
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, sushi,
>> favorite pizza, uh, pizza spot,
>> best Italian, you know, Alfredo. I'm a
big guy like that. Uh,
burgers, certain stuff like that. I'm
going to go find the best they got
around, you know?
>> Go for the best.
>> Yeah, I'm a foodie.
>> I'm down to talk about kind of cannabis
for a little bit. I feel like it's like
played a big role in kind of like your
career. Um, how what were your kind of
like um I think did you you had a small
suspension right when it came to I
forgot what organization it was in.
>> Yeah, like three, bro.
>> Three?
>> I think I had like three.
>> I was bad back in the day, bro. And so,
like, you got to understand this. This
is the thing. All right. I'm growing up
in in a time where cannabis is bad for
fighting at the time, you know?
>> And so, if you're smoking cannabis, it
can take you up to 30 to 60 days to get
clean. You know what I'm saying? And so,
but you're the guy who keeps getting
called on short notice. So, how do you
just get clean in 30 60 days and they
ask you to fight in two weeks notice?
You know what I'm saying? So, I kept
getting popped with those type of
things, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Like, [ __ ] you know? So, I did like a
three month, then I did a six month,
then I did a year, you know what I mean?
I got popped a few times with this we
[ __ ] you know? And thank God it's
gotten a little more lenient after the
DS has kind of keep the doors down more
for us. That [ __ ] was wild, bro. back in
the days like weed was not was frowned
upon to frown. So yeah, I got a couple
just suspensions on that stuff.
>> Do you do you smoke during camp or you
know there's some guys who don't? No.
>> No. No. I don't like to play games, you
know, like like my boy Nate will and
[ __ ] I'm like, man, you brave, you
know, but me soon as they we it's
official, I go cold turkey. I [ __ ]
put the blunt down and I can't sleep for
like five days, but I go through a cold
turkey, drop that [ __ ] [ __ ] tripping
on my girl, get out of here, [ __ ]
fight my girlfriends, you know, fight
with everybody and then I go crazy and
then I come back and I say I'm sorry to
everybody and show them love.
>> It It calms you down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It calms me down, bro. I
remember like when I first found weed,
uh, I had a break with my little Mexican
girlfriend and [ __ ] I went to college
and [ __ ] and like I was a senior and she
was a junior. So now when I graduated
she was still there and so I went off to
college and [ __ ] and then I came back
when on break or some [ __ ] like that and
she was cheating with some like 27 year
old guy or some [ __ ] like that and so I
broke my heart and [ __ ] I was with this
teacher and this teacher is like man you
got to [ __ ] hit this weed, you know?
>> No way.
>> I know. And I'm like what? Like there's
no [ __ ] way. You're telling me to do
this [ __ ] and I didn't [ __ ] with
nothing. I didn't do nothing. I was like
I'm straight edge kid, you know? I
started smoking like when I was [ __ ]
18, you know, and so [ __ ] hit that
[ __ ] bro. And I forgot about all my
pains. And so we just like kind of like
it just takes the edge off of it. So
like it's a big problem. Why don't you
hit some [ __ ] Yeah. Like it's not so
bad. Like my ex-girlfriend sold $300,000
of jewelry for me, bro. And so when she
did, I lose my mind cuz I'm sober. I'm
sober. and I broke down. I hit the blunt
and I never smoked during camps. But
this one, Jeremy, I called to make sure
like they're going to trip about weed.
And they was like, "Well, just don't
come hide to the fight and stuff." Like,
uh, New Jersey don't trip about weed.
So, I'm like, "All right, cool." I
smoked. Then I was like, "Man, it's not
so bad, you know? It just makes
everything okay, you know?" At the time,
I was losing my [ __ ] Of course, I
smoked. [ __ ] her. I don't give a [ __ ]
You know,
>> did you have a story where you kind of
took some edibles before a fight? You
thought the fight was going to get
cancelled and it never did. Like, do you
remember that? That No,
>> wasn't that you hyped up the a crowd or
something like that and they didn't have
the cameras rolling?
>> Oh. Oh. Oh, I see. No, that's an edible.
>> Oh.
>> Um, so this is uh Affliction.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh Affliction. I I finally get the uh
my call to my big show. But like you
said, short notice. So they take me to
do a fight on affliction on 24 hours
notice. I'm literally at work. I just
got through smoking on my lunch break
and I go back into my warehouse job and
working in there and they call me and
say, "If you can be here in an hour and
make weight, we'll get you on the show.
We'll give you $3,000 to show, $3,000 to
win." To me, $6,000 in my head, I'll be
working forever here to get this $6,000.
I went over to the camera. I flipped on
like, "Fuck you." You know, I'm out of
here. I'm never looking back. You know,
I'm thinking I'm going to be a fighter
now. quit that [ __ ] Leave, get on
treadmill, put on sweats and bags and
[ __ ] and [ __ ] made the weight. So,
I'm fighting on 24 hours. I'm fighting
the next day. I go make the weight. Do
the weigh in. Now, I'll go fight the
next day. Um,
I'm already dirty. I already know I'm
going to pop for weed. So, if they test
me, you're [ __ ] you know? So, at the
time, this is my first coach. Crazy
Mexican guy, you know. He's like, "Bro,
I'm [ __ ] tripping. It's the biggest
show I've been on. And I'm just like, I
don't know if I'm ready for this [ __ ]
you know? I'm [ __ ] going tripping
balls, you know, like [ __ ] you know? He
like, man, [ __ ] it. Let's go smoke. This
is my coach.
>> You're a teacher and a coach, right?
>> This sound like a great idea, you know?
So, I go out there with him and he's got
some dynamite where like he just cave my
whole chest in like, "Oh, fuck." You
know, I'm super lit. You know, go back
inside now. I'm cool as [ __ ] Don't
nothing matter now. I'm chilling. So,
I'm just having a cool ass time. They
call me for my show. Oh yes, it's my
turn. I bust out there. I just come
running out. Boom. I run out to the
show. I bust through the little like
security [ __ ] and I run up the stairs to
the fans. So, I'm running upstairs. They
don't know who the [ __ ] I am. Like I
told you, they don't know nobody. But I
ran up the stairs. I'm running all
through the like, you know how you like
you come down. I'm running up them. I go
up there. I'm like, "Get up. Let's go."
Smacking fans like, "Yeah." You know,
they're tripping out. They're going
crazy. I run down the stairs. I run the
other side. Yeah. Let's go. You know,
I'm running back down and the production
stops me. They stop. Hey, we're not
recording. You know, we didn't record.
I'm like, "What?" I'm all out of breath.
Like, what? We didn't record none of
that. Like, the crowds are going crazy.
They took me in the back. And then I'm
like, "All right, now do it again." Did
you do it?
>> No. You can't [ __ ] You can't fake
that again. And hell no. I'm tired now
and I've been smoking weed, you know, so
like [ __ ]
>> So, did you end up popping or what
happened there? You end up
>> Yep. I end up popping. You mean
>> I end up fighting Dan Lison, you know,
Joe Lison's little brother and [ __ ] on
24 hours notice and [ __ ] I'm whooping
his ass and I got caught in a choke last
5 seconds and [ __ ] I didn't know where
the time was at and [ __ ] caught me.
Damn, it's over.
>> Was I mean, you find some like uh
casinos as well? I think Tachi I I saw
on
>> Tachi.
>> Yep. They just opened back up. They just
started having fights there again.
>> Yeah, Tahachi. I remember fought Crazy
Horse
>> and and then they offered me to fight
Tahachi. I fought
in a spot in the old show called Respect
in the Cage I think it was called. I
fought Sabach. You know Sabbak Magda
something. He was on Ultimate Fighter.
Fought that kid. Then three days later,
I fought
Tahachi at 170
for the I fought the champ. I got my
whole [ __ ] foot twisted around. I got
popped and my ankle popped. Then 3 days
later, I had to fight Crazy Horse. You
know what I mean? That's [ __ ] nuts.
>> I just don't know how you do it. How you
stay so active, man. And even like just
fighting all the time and half your
fights are short notice. Like I to me it
just blows my mind how how active you
are. It seems like you're in great
shape. You know, you're still doing your
thing. Still
>> four fights in 6 months right now and
we're still only going We're not even
half of the year yet.
>> No. Do you have anything planned up
ahead or you trying to get into camp?
>> I'm trying to go ASAP. I'm like, hey, I
try to tell them, hey, put me on next
week's card in Vegas. I'll go surprise,
I'm here, you know, like surprise, I
just I just jumped over here too now.
You know, like I'll come in and fill in
here and fill in there and do whatever.
Just give me my money.
>> How's it How does it go like when you
got a fight? They give you a FaceTime
call and be like, "Hey, you good to go?"
And then how how does that work?
>> No, Jason calls me.
>> Oh, really?
>> So, every time Jason called me, my heart
dropped
>> every time.
>> Like, my hurts drop first, then I got to
go take a [ __ ] cuz I already know like
my stomach start going to bies.
We got to fight. I'm like, "Fuck, I got
to go take a shit." I go somewhere like,
"Oh, I got to take a [ __ ] My bellyy's
going." You know, it's just like a
natural the butterflies in your stomach.
>> So, he can't even call you just just to
hang out or anything.
>> Yeah. He calls me and my heart drops
like, "Fuck,
is it time? Is it like what's up?" You
know, "Fuck, it's time to go." Put the
blunt down. [ __ ] Let's go,
>> man. So, you just got to be ready and
just at at any time.
>> Hell no. I got to enjoy my life cuz
they're going to call me back soon. And
so, I got to enjoy the little time I
have. Enjoy it. And when they call me,
I'll get ready and and I'll be ready,
you know, but my time is limited. So I
better enjoy when time I got with my
kids. I've spent so much time fighting.
Like for instance,
>> one year I fought five times in a year.
>> Say you're doing two camp for each
fight. That's 10 months out of 12. How
much time are you releasing your kids,
you know?
>> Yeah.
>> And so they they they kind of feel the
effects of me being so active and trying
to build my name and stay out in front
of the lights. Sometime my kids suffer,
>> right? And how many do you feel like you
have left? How in an ideal world, how
many would you want to keep keep going?
Interesting.
I told myself after 40 fights, I'll be
done. I told myself that I'm not a
person that needs social media. I'm not
a person that needs
attention. I'm here cuz you paid me to
be here. And so, I'll chase money, but
I'm not chasing attention. If you like
to watch me, you like to watch me, cool.
If you don't, no worries. You know, but
I told myself at 40 fights, I'm going to
[ __ ] finish and I'm going to walk off
into the sand. I'm into the shadows.
Delete my Instagram. Delete all asses
and nobody never hear from me again. You
like, "What happened to that one guy,
you know? Like, he don't post. He don't
say nothing. I want to know if he's
alive or not, you know? I want to do
something like that or just delete all
this [ __ ] you know?"
>> But then I got to 49. I just never feel
like I had enough money yet. I didn't
feel like I was set where I'm at. And
then I'm like, man, I have 50 fights
then. Then it's like, all right, well,
now I'm starting to get a close to the
sweet spot now.
But the thing is this. I remember when I
was young and remember thinking, if I
got $50,000
in my hands, I'm I'm good. I'm good.
There's nothing you There's nothing you
can tell me. I don't need nothing else.
>> That's it.
>> Give me $50,000 in my hand. I'm
straight. But then I got 50 in my hand.
I was just like, but I bought the this
ring for my girl and then I got us a
house and then it was gone. It was like,
oh well, 50 ain't enough, you know? But
what I'm running into is more so is that
remembering how it felt when you got
that 50, when you got that first little
something that you're getting,
how do I say this? Uh, all right. We're
getting tired of doing this thing. This
thing is hard to keep doing and the
competition keeps getting better and
better.
>> But when you were at this low part and
you were getting this little money, as
you got to a certain point, you're like,
man, I got
>> $50,000. I I got that.
>> Now, you got to still be like that when
you got that 50 up here where where
people start getting to a point where
they go, I'm [ __ ] tired. But no, I
got to still think of it like I was a
kid and go, well, you're finally at that
point now. Now you got to go hit them
like you were when you were a kid when I
knocked out one every weekend. If I
knocked out a fight every weekend like
that right now, I made a million dollars
in, you know, in a month, you know, I
made a million dollars in a month. And
so what I'm saying is is keep that that
juvenile feeling about fighting and and
doing it and the activity about it all
where
>> the other guys have gotten tired and
they're getting old and they're like,
man, I'm over this [ __ ] I'm still
trying to be young and to be like this
[ __ ] So that
>> that's where the true money is when you
like it. when you love something and
when you enjoy it and and so as you
start getting there and you start
getting tired, you start putting less
effort, you start doing less [ __ ] For
me, it's still think of it as you're
young and you're just getting to the
money. So now if I just got to the
money, if I could do 10 more of these
[ __ ] you know,
>> oh, I'll be straight, you know?
>> Yeah. And do you feel like is there any
fights that come to mind? You feel like
maybe they, you know, tried to keep the
the wheels turning, but they couldn't? I
mean, I know you fought Tony towards the
tail end of his career, but it felt
like, you know, he was still trying.
Maybe other people had different
motivations
>> that he was still trying and he should
have like got out.
>> Maybe. I don't know. I mean, Tony,
>> but then he just won a title.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you could tell him he got up, but
then he would have never got that.
>> No, you just got to keep going until
win.
>> That's what that's where I'm getting to.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I'm saying I might be 10, but I might
still feel good. Like Nate said this
[ __ ] fight till until I die. I'm I'm
like, [ __ ] I might just kind of go down
until I die. I'd rather I'd rather die
in the ring. I'd rather die doing what I
do than getting old and just dying. And
matter of fact, my life's so boring now
that I got a girlfriend. I can't [ __ ]
[ __ ] It's like my life so boring
now. So, it's like, [ __ ] I just rather
die in the ring, you know? I'd rather
die what I'm doing than die from [ __ ]
lung cancer. And I [ __ ] barely can
breathe and I'm just,
you know, like [ __ ] shoot me in the
head and let me go, you know? Damn. And
so that's all I'm saying. I gotta go
dying out fighting and [ __ ] you know?
>> Yeah. You feel like you were born for
this? Like this type of life is like
being like a like a modern-day
gladiator.
>> People told me this all the time
>> that I was born for this, you know?
They're like just the way you fight this
way you are with fighting, you were
meant to fight. You know, that's
something I've been trying to push away.
Like my dad tell me all the time, quit
your job. You're meant to fight. Quit
your job. And I'm like, no, this is
steady money. And I'm not giving up
steady a steady paycheck for some [ __ ]
that might be up and down. You know, who
knows how long this [ __ ] going to pop.
So, I would never quit my job. But now
I'm at this point where I'm like, okay,
I could kind of see those some things,
but I'm in this game till the end, bro.
I'm in this game to the end.
Is there any influences that you had?
Like I know you mentioned your dad a
lot. maybe other maybe other fighters or
maybe I I look up to like Kobe Bryant a
lot when it comes to like wisdom and
just like passing down stuff like that.
Is anyone that comes to mind where you
felt like they they dropped a lot of
game and helped you out?
>> That man right there, Muhammad Ali, you
know what I mean? Muhammad Ali came and
shook [ __ ] up. You ever seen Jenga?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I have.
>> Okay. There's a certain part in the
movie where
Leonardo DiCaprio says, "I believe that
it become one once in in every 10 years
a [ __ ] like you, you know, a [ __ ] like
you every once in a hundred years or
some [ __ ] like that." I truly believe
that that comes like that too in terms
of a [ __ ] like you. You know, I tell
people that like you ain't seen somebody
like me since Ali
and and
I'll put it away at times, but let it be
us in the ring and nobody around. I'll
let the crazy man walk out some and
people look at me like I'm like, "Y'all
know I'm crazy, but you ain't never seen
nobody like me since Ali." Like, I
really shake [ __ ] up and I do [ __ ]
differently, you know? And he had his
own way about him and what he said and
he stood for something. I'm the same
way, you know, and maybe I'm not as
brash as him to go and be talking crazy
to white folks when you get yourself
killed. He was a whole another animal. I
could never compare to him. But I feel
like I'm a spitting
a little glimpse of it, you know.
>> And was that since the youth, like since
you were a kid, you had that belief in
yourself?
>> My first foster foster care home I went
to after my grandmother died. I stayed
with this white family.
>> Mhm. And my stepdad
so I could see all [ __ ] up. He just
stuck me in front of Ali tapes and made
me watch him. It made me watch him watch
him. I started learning about him. I
really liked I'm like he could pop his
jab the way he moves, you know, hands
down low sometimes, you know. And so,
man, this is kind of interesting, you
know? I learned about fighting watching
[ __ ] Ali, you know, watching what he
was doing and [ __ ] And then I became a
Mayweather fan. And so I started picking
all these different guys up and learning
their styles and stuff. But
I was a huge fan because Ali was the
first start of it. So then I got more
into the political side of what he was
doing, what he stood for and what he
was, oh man, that was a strong man and
standing up for what you believe in.
>> So do you feel like maybe if you weren't
watching those tapes, you'd be doing
something else or do you feel like that
was like a start of
>> I never thought about it that way. Maybe
my dad I'm about to go back and tell my
white dad and hey, you know what you
did? Cuz I always told him that, hey, it
was the Molly Ali tapes. Remember you
used to stick me for Ali tapes? And then
another thing, he he stuck me in the
garage and made me hit the little uh
speed bag.
>> And he just like, look,
you hear that? You see that? D. And he
made me just got there and learned. And
I sat there for like three hours
straight until I learned it. Took me
about three hours and finally
I start getting it down, you know. took
me three say it took me three hours
learning see how long it takes you and
he just left me like that I'm going try
to beat him you know
>> wow
>> and so I always tell him I'm thankful to
my white dad and [ __ ] like I really
appreciate him
>> yeah I mean your your dad I mean you you
were on the Joe Rogan podcast and I've
listened to that and just him breaking
down the story
>> so you're talking about that one I'm
talking about a whole another one
>> yeah I know yeah
>> no there's there's a whole another one
>> yeah I've been I got 50 different
>> homes I've been into I got eight
families bro so I got like two or three
white families. I got
>> three or four Mexican families. I got
three or four black families. You know
what I mean? So, imagine trying to be in
part of all these families and
connecting with them and and help them
when they're falling. You know, it's a
lot, bro.
>> Yeah.
>> It's a lot.
>> That is a lot.
>> Wow.
>> And uh I mean there was a stint, right,
where you had to use a different name
like you were using Ray Green for a
second.
>> That's when I got I got popped for weed.
>> Wow.
>> That's when I got popped for weed. I
couldn't fight. I'm on a year suspension
and [ __ ] and I still gotta make money
and [ __ ] And my coach is like, "Man,
let's go to Mexico. We just say you're
Ray Green, you know?"
>> That's your middle name, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] we do with that.
My middle name. And Ray means king and
[ __ ] So, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Let's do that, you know. So, we start
running out there with Ray Green. I was
fighting under that [ __ ]
>> That's That's tough. I didn't even think
about that with Ray cuz
>> Yeah, it's what it what it is.
>> Ray Green. And now it is
>> King Green. King Green. Yeah.
>> What What inspired that? I think I've
heard a few few clips of um you know you
talking about your your name.
>> It's a lot of [ __ ] stuff, bro. I
don't want to be specific. It's a lot of
stuff. And I can name a thousand things
of RAW. I changed my name to King. One,
I'm just [ __ ] different. Okay? I'm
[ __ ] different. Nobody else is. So
that's why I do it cuz you're not me.
And so don't try to act like or think
for me. I'm just [ __ ] different.
Okay? I'm [ __ ] crazy. I'm going to do
whatever I want to do. And that's the
one thing I want to do. Two, I'm a
[ __ ] artist. I don't look at myself
like a fighter. And you guys look at me
like fighter. I look at myself as an
artist. I can just do crazy [ __ ] wear
crazy [ __ ] do whatever I want. I can't
just I'm going Don't put me in no box.
I'mma do whatever I want when I want.
And so
that part uh three, shocking all. It's
like what? Did he change his name? Like
yes, legally. Yes. Shock and all. It's
like what the who would do something and
why and how did he do that? I know you
didn't even think of it, stupid. You
know, like you never told me I could
just change my name, make my own name,
you know. You know, and so I'm just
different, bro. Um,
>> a lot of [ __ ] Uh, like another thing
like I was trying to explain to people
is like being a king.
>> Mhm.
>> King what it means to you, like a king
means like being true at heart, you
know, meaning having integrity. What you
can do when when your back is turned,
you know, you turn your back, I could be
flipping you off. I can say, "Fuck this
guy." You know, or and acting cool in
front of your face. integrity and how I
act and what I say and what I do while I
steal behind you or you know um it's
about having a a community, you know,
having a community of people that can
trust in you that you can help build,
you know, you my boy and that's my boy
and and you guys trust me and I trust in
you guys and you're like, "Bro, I can I
do what I say and you say and you do
what you say and you does what he said."
Well, he said he's going to be here at
this time. we're going to meet and we're
going to start doing this that build
this business. And we all did what we
said. It just started [ __ ] going. Now
we're making money together. Now we're
building a community. We're all part of
this community now, you know, of in
people with integrity, people with
certain standards. You know what I'm
saying? And so the other thing is this,
and I think people get caught up on this
one is I was trying to say like I was
talking with the homies and [ __ ] and I'm
like, "What is a king?" And they're
like, "Oh, I'm a king. Everybody's a
king." But I'm like, "All right, what's
your castle?" And they're like, "Well, I
live in an apartment, you know, and this
person lives in a house, you know, and
they rent." And I'm like, "All right,
this person have a mortgage." I'm like,
"But the thing is what makes you a king
is that you have to own your castle. It
means that that's your property. You own
it. Not just like you're just paying a
mortgage, but you have to actually own
it." And and that's hard to do. You got
a 30 30-year mortgage. That's hard to do
a 30-year mortgage. That means for 30
years, you're going to have to
consistently pay this payment. And if
you know anything about life, I don't
know how young you are, but life has its
ups and downs. And so sometimes you got
money, sometimes you don't. Sometimes
your parents had some [ __ ] and sometimes
they didn't. Your dad lost his job, some
[ __ ] happened, he broke his arm, some
[ __ ] happened. This person this and [ __ ]
happens. So the fact that you can keep a
house for 30 years through all the
[ __ ] that comes with that makes you
a king that you got it paid off. You
know what I mean? And that true shows
fortitude that you know how to stay
stable through the economy and how it's
going to go for 30 years. You know what
I'm saying? And so that's what I was
trying to express to people is like
that's what makes you a king is that you
could do those type of things?
>> I I definitely could see that. Like do
you feel like maybe in a different you
know lifetime you were a king back back
in the day? You feel something like that
or do you feel it's just more of like a
belief thing within yourself?
>> About all that. I know like
some pharaoh, you know, I was pharaoh
green, you know,
>> there some people, you know, they
>> No, no, that's some weird [ __ ] you
know. I don't know about weird [ __ ] like
that. I just
>> I don't know. I just feel like
>> trying to do something special and
>> and support.
>> I made me special
>> and I definitely want to give back and
and do something special, you know?
>> Definitely. I mean, just as as a fan of
the UFC, you know, seeing you go out
there and do your thing, it just it
inspires inspires me just to be able to
be myself and sometimes, you know, maybe
play to the crowd a little bit, maybe
just, you know, do things that, you
know, the people want to see, but at the
same time, you know, know who who you
are. What would you say like your the
the main difference is from you as a as
an individual, as a person and the
fighter? Like what
>> the difference? Uh, I think that people
see my harder exterior, you know, like
when I'm in fight mode, I'm tough, you
know, and so like
I may be
aggressive, I may talk a certain way and
then when that person saw me on camera,
>> they they assume you're a tough guy,
you're an [ __ ] you're cocky, you're
arrogant, you know what I mean? which
some of those are some things you kind
of got to give off in case your opponent
is watching. You don't want to show
weakness, you know, and so there's a lot
of times where people assume that and
then when they met me, they're like,
"Hey, you're not nothing like I thought
you would be, you know, I thought you
were going to be like this and be like
this, but when they actually kind of got
around me and sudden they're like, man,
he's nothing like that at all." That
[ __ ] is cool as [ __ ] but it's
just like you got to get to know him,
>> right? And that's just some some things
that I notice or I hear around, you
know, it's like, oh, you know, I'm like,
hey, you got a podcast, Bobby Green.
Like, oh, Bobby Green, is he the one
that does like the the dance and stuff?
I'm like, yeah, but like I feel like
that's why I wanted to talk to you to be
able to, you know, show the other sides
of, you know, yourself and how you carry
yourself. And the the the thing that I
noticed right away is like you pick up a
lot on the small details. Like you're
able to pick up on, you know, certain
things and phrases. And I feel like
that's uh very important just to
conversate with people. is something
I've noticed with more podcasts I do
being able to, you know, pick up on on
cues and stuff like that and I I noticed
that you're you do well at that and
that's just want to give props.
>> Yeah, appreciate you. That's from foster
care, bro. You got to be aware of your
surroundings. You don't know what's
going to happen. You better be paying
attention, you know, like to everything
happen. Somebody could come kick the
door down. Like I had SWAT kick our door
down and take my my real dad to jail,
you know? I was like 5 years old, you
know. Kick my kick the door down. Big
guns. Everybody get down. [ __ ] get
arrested. So, it's like you've been in a
lot of elements where you've seen crazy
stuff and now it makes you where you
need to pay attention. I pay attention
to everything. I'm like, "Oh, they
didn't think I was paying attention.
They think I'm high." I'm like, "No, I
peeped that little shitty he did there."
Or you might be hiding something, but
your face shows it.
>> If I could read your face good enough,
I'm like, "Man, something's wrong with
you." Like, no, nothing's wrong. Like,
bro, I know you you make that stupid
face, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> I don't even know how you I mean, you
just learned that with just experience.
There's not like a course you could take
online, right? Maybe just be, you know,
just have to live, I guess.
>> You got to go through it. You can't
cheat your way through it. You can only
earn it.
>> Can't be cheated.
>> You know, if if people were to see Bobby
Green and know him for something, like
what what are they going to know him
for?
>> What are they going to know me for?
>> Yeah. What do you want to be known for?
>> What do I want to be known for?
Um,
maybe this. I was talking to my brother
today and my brother's like, "Man,
somebody said this and he said, you
know, everybody, you know, gets a shot,
but people don't take it." And I was
like, "Bro, like,
I don't know, bro, but I took every shot
I possibly could.
>> I look at it like this,
>> like a hoop."
>> Yeah.
>> And I shot the ball and I fought Tim
Islam on 10 days notice and I failed.
And then I shot the ball again and I
fought Drew Dober with a [ __ ] up hand
from surgery and I [ __ ] failed. But
then I shot the ball this last one and
oh it landed. I beat Dale Huber off a
guy who's 500 to one odds and blah blah
blah. And so I shot the ball and I shot
the ball until it started landing, you
know?
>> Yeah.
>> Until it landed. And so try on every
opportunity until one day it [ __ ]
lands.
>> My next one next one's going in. That's
the the mindset though. got to go in
sooner or later. And so even when I play
basketball against somebody, I didn't
care who it was. I be like, "You're not
going to beat me because I'm going to
shoot more than you. I'm going to out
hustle you to the rim. I'm going to
[ __ ] be up there. I'm be jumping. I'm
going to be putting so much more effort
into what you do than I do. I'm going to
beat you cuz I'm going to have more
shots. And even though you shot five, I
shot 15. But then my five went in."
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> I feel like if you get in a hot streak,
you won't miss. I feel like if I were to
hoop with you, I'll just be passing you
the ball. I'm the worst basketball
player have you you ever seen in your
life. But I win. I've never lost a game
because I just out hustle people. I just
sticking on them. I was making them
shoot work for every shot they shot. You
know, I'm contesting every shot. I'm
owing them everywhere. Not giving no
space. And then finally, they just
started getting tired and tired. I just
beat people off conditioning and trying
to chase me and keep up with me. And I
couldn't keep up that like physically.
But an actual skill [ __ ] airball it
[ __ ] right under the hoop. still
trying to [ __ ] GET IT, YOU KNOW.
>> Oh [ __ ] [ __ ] as game,
>> you know.
>> Well, you got heart though, so you going
to keep on shooting though. That's the
point. I think that's a good a good
lesson or at least some
>> something that you know could leave the
the people off there. I mean uh one
thing I did remember that I was supposed
to say earlier was like you uh when you
wrestled like you would do like WWE
moves through the wrestling like the
Huracana like who told you that or like
you just wanted to do that and you start
doing that stuff like
>> Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] around. I was like,
man, I'm going to try to do different
[ __ ] You guys are [ __ ] boring
wrestling. Like, wrestling was dope on
TV. I thought wrestling was like that. I
didn't know wrestling was collegiic
wrestling. I came in to slap somebody
with a chair at a table, you know? And I
locked in. I got in there. I was like,
there's no turnbuckles. There's no
tables or ladders or chairs. What the
[ __ ] is this [ __ ] You know, and then I
get on the mat. So, I'm like, "All
right, I'll pick a [ __ ] UP. GOT
A power bomb." You can't do that.
They stopped it right then. I'm like,
"What the what kind of wrestling IS
THIS? YOU CAN'T EVEN slam people." Like,
"No, you got to put down your knee
before you slam." And you know, it's
like different ways you got to do this
[ __ ] And I'm like, "This [ __ ] kind of
gay." But
>> [ __ ] it. I uh I got beat up by two white
guys. It's the first fight I ever lost.
And they were wrestling me. So I I knew
it was something different. It was
weird. I ended up getting cool with them
later on and they were told me they were
wrestlers. didn't end up joining
wrestling.
>> Did you Did you wrestle? You wrestled
like throughout all of high school.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Freshman.
>> So, you stuck with it even though it
wasn't like WWE. You're just like, I'm
going to still do it.
>> Yeah. I had these two crazy white boy
homies. My two crazy white boy homies
who were they kind of taught me about
entertainment.
>> And what I mean by that is like we woke
up with this [ __ ] like [ __ ] the
system. M
>> wake up, we like [ __ ] just listening
rock and roll, [ __ ] just mash, you
know, and we just [ __ ] do crazy [ __ ]
like we're going to wear this. What are
you going to do? And so we go in there,
we [ __ ] steal his mom's clothes, we
wear [ __ ] female clothes, we'd wear
[ __ ] costumes, we wear makeup, we
spike our hair, streak it, do crazy
[ __ ] and then come into class and be
like just [ __ ] like
>> just looking crazy. Like one time I laid
in a pool of uh Kool-Aid, you know, all
red and I laid in my turn my whole skin
red. I put red contacts in, painted my
nails red, you know, I got red lipstick
on, red eyes, red hair, spiked guy with
spiked hair. And I just sit there like
don't move the whole [ __ ] time, you
know? Just like
>> Wait, you say you jumped in a pool of
Kool-Aid?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like in a bathtub. And I've
been in the bathtub.
>> Okay. Okay. I was like, what? I was like
>> and so yeah. Yeah. Done crazy [ __ ] like
that, you know. I used to do all kind of
[ __ ] I used to come as like Santa Claus
and I'll be like giving people like I
try to give you a a tortilla and if you
didn't take more tortilla, oh yeah, [ __ ]
you. I start throwing rice krispie
treats. Get out OF HERE. HO HO HO. You
know, throwing cereal at you. I just do
wow [ __ ] bro. So I spike my hair and
[ __ ] And then but the in order for a
black person to spike their hair, you
have to perm it and make it straight
first.
>> Okay?
>> And that does damage to your hair and
scalp. Then after that, then I got to
dye it the colors, bleach it first, then
dye the colors. Sometime my hair fall
out. So I have to shave my head bald. I
paint my whole head white, cover my
whole face in white, and then wear black
like [ __ ] crazy makeup and just be
[ __ ] tripping people out. I would get
kicked out of school all the time. And
not that I was doing anything. Nobody
wasn't touching or bothering nobody, but
just you're a distraction. You can't be
in class. I wear like some crazy fish
nets, like see-through [ __ ] you know,
be just looking like
>> You did that on purpose just to sit
there or just
>> Yeah. For us, it was uh
they have a dress code.
>> Yeah.
>> But they didn't cover everything in the
dress code, you know what I mean? They
said, "All right, you can't they didn't
say you can wear super tight pants, you
know, that that has rips all in it or
you know what I mean? They didn't say
you couldn't wear crazy makeup. You know
what I mean? You said we couldn't wear
ball caps. You said we couldn't wear
saggy pants. You know what I mean?
>> Everything else that was
>> So we just [ __ ] like, "Oh, well this
isn't part of We're trying to tell this
isn't dress code. This is not dress
code." You know? So we're now like, "Oh
yeah, you guys want to [ __ ] with us?"
They used to drug test us all the time
cuz they thought we were on drugs, bro.
We were just [ __ ] wild kids, you
know, doing wild [ __ ]
>> Did that kind of like transfer over? I
mean, like after high school into like
different things.
>> That's what I'm saying. started learning
about entertainment, started learning
like do different [ __ ] you know, like I
started doing actually trying different
things and understanding different
cultures. So like at that time I was
hang with the white boys. So I started
learning the white boy culture. I'm
around WWE and WF and listen to rock and
roll and stone cold ass and and jackass
at that time. Like all this crazy like
white boy crazy [ __ ] So now I'm doing a
bunch of that stuff and learning how the
crowd interacts to that and like and how
you deal with people and personality and
how they deal with someone who like you
surprised until that comes in around you
and you're like what the [ __ ] Like some
guy [ __ ] riding around with baby
powder on him and a thong. You're like
what the and the way people trip out
about you, you know? Yeah.
>> So we're doing wild crazy jackass [ __ ]
Setting ourselves on fire.
>> What?
>> Yeah. Just doing wild [ __ ] you know.
>> Did you record it?
>> Yes. We're just doing wild [ __ ] you
know, as kids. That's at the time.
That's what it was. Yeah. You know,
we're not doing drugs, man. [ __ ] to do.
But listen to rock and roll and do
[ __ ] crazy [ __ ] Mary Manson had us
[ __ ] tripping out, you know.
>> Yeah. That's that's a crazy man Manson
is crazy. I just like
>> Yeah, I'm still a fan, you know? I just
seen him not too long ago.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, we wear makeup like Mary
Manson. We wear crazy like platforms
like this big. You be [ __ ] walking
all high and [ __ ] like crazy [ __ ] bro.
just to [ __ ] with people's heads.
>> Is there anything that we could like
find online of any like videos out there
or this is all hidden archives?
>> I think I got like one picture of me
with my spiked hair and people like what
the [ __ ] you know like.
>> So that's why shave shave your head cuz
of the damage of what?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I started losing my hair
like like 22 23 from doing all this. No
one told me, "Hey, you [ __ ] your [ __ ]
up." You know, like I think my grandma
might have said something, but I'm just
like not paying attention. I'm I'm
trying to be cool. I'm trying to be
different, you know?
>> I know I'm burning my [ __ ] out, you
know,
>> and so you live your life.
>> I I feel like the I mean both I mean
I've seen you when every time I've seen
you it's just with a shave a shaved
head. So I mean I feel like you pull off
the the look very well. So I think I
think it's crazy though just the the way
that you do bring stuff in like an
artist. It's not just like a fighter.
You put someone in a box. a lot of these
guys, you know, maybe especially your
situation yourself, like you needed to
fight, you know, because your situation.
Um, but do you feel like a lot of people
have to, you know, just express
themselves naturally and I feel like a
lot of people maybe, you know, feel like
they have to act a certain way, post
these certain posts just to be able to
>> um these people you can't tell, bro.
Like some people going to be who they
are going to be, you know, you can't
change them. You can tell them like be
more funny, you know, be yourself. Uh, I
want to, you know, like this is who they
are. You just, you can't change it. I
don't know, bro. I'm just me.
>> Got you.
>> You know, I can't change who the [ __ ] I
am.
>> Yeah. And you shouldn't have to. I feel
like you just being yourself is, you
know,
>> but if you pay attention to the internet
and [ __ ] like, and you listen to
comments and all the stuff like that.
Like a lot of times that [ __ ] can [ __ ]
you up and you be like, like I said,
people call me big mouth and for a
minute I'm not gonna talk no more. Like
there was a few fights where I don't
talk.
>> I felt like there you think you guys all
say I'm a big mouth. Okay, I'll show
you. I'll just sit there. shut the [ __ ]
up and scrap with these [ __ ]
Show you I don't need to talk, you know?
Like I'm not trying to get nobody's
head. I'm just having fun with this
[ __ ] too. And it's kind of funny how
they're acting when I start talking to
them. So, it's just fun, you know?
>> Do you feel like that's what kind of the
UFC is kind of missing when it comes to
like press conferences and stuff like
that? Like we have a great
>> personality.
>> Yeah.
>> Personality, you know? You need
personality. you need that, you know,
and so a lot of I feel like the UFC got
to a point where they started hiring too
many foreigners. And I don't mean
anything disrespectful against any other
country or nothing, but what I'm saying
is like
they weren't doing the same thing. And
so they weren't focused on the same
things as us as Americans. As Americans,
we look for entertainment.
>> Yeah.
>> We're built that way.
>> They're look to win, to save my country,
to feed my village, to feed my family. M
>> they're not thinking about it like like
us. We got so much freedom and [ __ ] like
[ __ ] my family. We'll figure this [ __ ]
out. You know what I mean? But over
there, they're like, "Fuck, no water, no
house. We're dead." You know,
>> we got to eat.
>> Yeah. And so entertainment. And so now
the Americans
don't have a a real person to get
behind. And a lot of Americans that were
in this certain time of fighting are
gone. And the new Americans are just
trying to be competitors and win against
these crazy Russian wrestlers. you know,
you didn't get other guys that are on
the same type of things, but you can
have a real American brawl, you know,
where guys are really going at it and
enjoying [ __ ] Like the Mexican culture,
they got it down with their brawl, you
know, the Brazilians, they got it down
with their brawl, you know, but some
other the like the Russians ain't got it
yet, you know, little huggers and stuff.
And so that makes the American audience
fall where they don't want to see it and
they don't have no connection to you.
Now we're
Akmar, you know what I mean? They're
just like, who's that guy? You know,
they can't have a connectivity. It's
still an American sport even though we
want to be global, but American is the
base. Then they're not having anybody to
connect to anymore,
>> right? And I've noticed that like say if
I invite someone over to watch UFC for
the first time, they're
>> upset. Once they start grappling, they
get on the floor, there's like you see
them get on their phones. And even I
train jiu-jitsu. I I like the technique
and the the the strategy behind it, but
I feel like there's, you know, certain
certain ways to make it entertaining.
And I
>> So, we got to make it entertaining.
>> What's like the balance though be being
like an entertainer and a fighter
though? Like what?
>> But the thing is, bro, nobody wants to
take the risk. Like I could like for
inance if I was on your back and and if
I started reaching to hit you now, you
can get away and nobody wants to take
those risks cuz now if you get away, I
have to work so much harder.
>> Yeah.
>> Me, you get away. Oh, [ __ ] it. Cool.
I'll still have fun. I can still
entertain the fight wherever it goes.
>> And some guys don't want to give those
things up. They just thinking about the
money and they're thinking about, man, I
can't lose. And they're so wrapped up in
those things
>> they can't even get out of their box.
>> I see. Like how how could people make it
entertaining grappling? Just throw a
flying triangle or something just
>> like for in when I took Jeremy down. I
took Jeremy down. I'm bam bam bam bam.
I'm hitting him and pass over here. I
passed a fight out of out of his uh
Kamura. Bam bam. You know, so now it's
dope. People going, "Oh, you know, when
he tried to grab me, they were booing."
But once they started seeing what I was
doing, they're like, "Oh, we like this."
You know, and so New Jersey like that,
there's a crowd that don't want to see
wrestling, but I was able to show them
something that they actually thought was
dope.
>> You got to know how how you do it and
take the risk to put on the show,
>> right?
>> Most people don't want to take the risk.
When did when did you like have a fight
where maybe your back was against the
wall, you needed a win, but did you
still have that I need to, you know,
have a show for the fans? Like was there
a certain fight?
>> Okay. Uh I wasn't fighting Lando Van Van
the first time. Fighting Lando I think
he dropped me or some [ __ ] fighting to
get back up. I'm on my knee and he hits
me with a knee straight to the face
while I'm the ground on both knees, you
know. So now I got a perfect time where
I think I was came off a twoight skid
and so now I'm a loser and I got a
perfect time where I need to get this
win. I can just fall down and fake it
out like alo, you know, and be ah I need
this win. But the person in me wouldn't
let me earn it that way.
>> [ __ ] that. I'm getting up. I'm going to
whoop your ass. I'm going to get the
[ __ ] back. And he already dropped me. So
I'm down. It's the first round. So now I
got every reason to quit and go back to
the drawing board and quit. I'm like,
"Nah, I'll still fight back the next two
rounds and make up." And so it ended up
calling the fight a draw.
>> At least I made it and tied it back out
before I got dropped in the first round.
Yeah.
>> So tied it back out. We fight again. Now
I beat his ass the next one. But
>> that's where I've had those times where
you could quit and give up and try to go
for the money,
>> but I just chose not to.
>> That front flip you do is crazy. I I
just think I've seen you right now. I'm
like, I wish you could just like just
hit a front flip right now. Cuz when did
that first start? Like when was like,
you know what? I'm going just go for a
front flip during the beginning of a
fight. Man, I don't know where I be
cooking these things up at. I don't know
where these things come out of. Um I'm
thinking in jiu-jitsu,
we do these warm-ups. You know, you roll
and then you Yeah. For roll your you
backwards roll over your stuff, you
know, like little stuff like that. And I
think from there I was kind of playing
with stuff like that.
I know that Gachi he'll hit the
backflip, you know, and I'm like, man,
they all do back flips, you know? I got
to just come and do something different,
you know? This is my way of doing it,
you know?
>> And so I was [ __ ] around and
>> it's like
>> I don't know, just knock a flip. But
it's kind of like a dive out and then
you roll it in into you know my own
stupid [ __ ] up. Did you drill that
before you did that or you just did it
like on in
>> I started doing it on the mats, you
know? And then I'm like, man, I'm going
to try this [ __ ] out. I don't know when
that came apart or where it came from.
I'm like, I'm going to do this [ __ ]
>> I don't know. I don't remember when.
It's been so [ __ ] long doing this
fighting, bro. And I've been so busy
fighting. I can never tell you because
it's not like I fight once a year. I'm
like, oh yeah, that fight. I said,
>> I did that.
>> I got [ __ ] 30 fights in this [ __ ]
game, bro. I don't remember half of
them.
I smoke a lot of weed and I get punched
in the head a lot. So, and I got a lot
of [ __ ] to do to keep memories in here.
>> Yeah. Oh, well, thank you for for
hopping on the podcast, Mr. King. I had
lots of fun. Felt like your storytelling
just I felt like I was kind of there
with you, you know, a little bit.
>> What's up, bro?
>> So, yeah, man. I appreciate you so much
for taking the time and uh, you know,
hopefully get a call from Jason soon,
you know, get get back in there.
>> Exactly. Get me back in there. I
appreciate you for rocking with me, bro,
and giving me this opportunity. to share
with you.
>> Thank you. Uh, one last question that I
have is, uh, what does it feel like
stepping into the the cage with, you
know, thousands of fans screaming ready
to watch you fight? Like, how would you
describe that? Like a roller coaster or
what
>> what does that feel like?
Before the fight, it feels like the
roller coaster, but when you actually
get in the cage
>> in front of everyone
>> Mhm.
It's kind of like a a stage fight type
of thing where
you're going up to a podium to have a
speech and everybody looking at you like
uh uh you know don't make a
>> don't mess up.
>> Yeah. Don't mess up type of type of
move, you know.
But for me personally,
it feels like a new environment that
you're unfamiliar with, that you're
lost. And it's like they call it the UFC
jitters.
>> Get in the UFC and everybody go through
this feeling, you know? They're like
like like
only you you get it you only get it like
you trained. But if you train, you ever
went to somebody else's gym and trained?
>> Mhm. when you go to somebody else's gym
and train like I noticed I got tired
faster.
>> You know what I mean? You're like bro,
you know this thought of it like that
>> because you're uncomfortable in someone
else's element. So now you're in someone
else's element being the cage that's not
your element.
>> And so it's not your element, it's not
his element, it's just the element. And
so one thing I learned was keep touching
it. So many times I told Jason this, I'm
like, I'm going to be the most busy
fighter because I wanted to get over
that fear
of that feeling. And so time you had
your first fight, you were like, I'm
[ __ ] exhausted because this was your
spot. So now if I kept touching this
spot, now it starts to feel like the
first time, this last few times, it's
been feeling like my house all of a
sudden.
>> It feels like I live here.
>> Feel like I just came in my room. You
know what I mean? But before
>> That's so tough.
>> It's You mean Yeah. But before it's it
was going to the NFL and the Super Bowl
and you're like now it's just like man
I'm just in my room. I'm like what's up
guys? They're just things on the wall
now. It's just like but at a time it was
like [ __ ] you know and so that's what it
feels like to get in there.
>> Yeah. All right, man. Hell yeah.
>> Thank you. Thank you. That was awesome.
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