It was the largest manhunt and the most
expensive in American history. They
weaponized the government against us.
They're all misdemeanor.
>> They're all misdemeanors.
>> In the female prison, you have
biological males that are transitioning
to females.
>> Yes.
>> Are you
>> I came out like around the age of 12. Um
I was not into politics and to be
honest, I never voted until Trump ran
the first time. Um to me, I felt like
our votes didn't matter. I felt like
they were all corrupt and it just wasn't
something that I was willing to get
into. Um, it wasn't until I started to
see the insanity of the gay community
and I went through a personal thing
fighting for uh, two children and
realized that CPS, DCYF, whatever you
want to call it, whatever state, uh, was
probably the largest trafficking ring
that there is. And the corruption within
the family court uh, kind of sparked me
to get more into politics and what was
going on in this country. Then Trump ran
and everyone told me I was a bigot. I
was a Nazi. I was a racist. As someone
that's gay, I I can't tell you how many
times I've been called a homophobe. I'm
like, I don't know how that's possible,
but okay.
And so then I started protesting drag
queen story time. Um, and standing
outside asking parents like, "What are
you doing?"
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. So, how does how
does that come about? I mean, are you
like does somebody contact you? No, we
just aren't seeing flyers. Um, and it
was happening at local businesses and
libraries. And I find it to be I mean,
I've brought my straight friends to gay
bars and drag shows. Everybody has a
grand old time,
>> but it's not appropriate for men to be,
you know, drag and shaking their asses
and whatever for little kids and reading
stories. I mean, I just feel like it's
indoctrination. I feel like it's
inappropriate. And I always say it, you
know, if straight people did a quarter
of what gay people do publicly, you'd be
in prison,
>> right?
>> You'd be con considered a cho.
So it was kind of like, you know, I
stood outside this library and I was
just like, what do you like why would
you take your kids to a drag like for
them to read a story to them? Why don't
you just read a story to them? You know,
like I just didn't understand it. And
you know, then I got attacked for that.
>> Wait, was there a group of people that
were there? It's not just you.
>> Oh, yeah. No, there was a group of us.
Okay.
>> Yeah. And we had flags and signs and
we're just trying to make them aware
like
>> I mean when did we come when did we
become so complacent and allowing all of
this because you know 10 years ago any
father would have happily gone to prison
for not allowing men in the bathrooms
with their daughters. Um and I just
think that this country has taken quite
a left turn. So, and you say you got
attacked. How do how do you mean like on
Facebook or
>> you know doxing? Um they followed us
back to our cars, posted l our license
plates, you know, called us Nazis, we're
calling people's jobs, trying to get
people fired. Um all for freedom of
speech, the thing that they say that
they promote the most.
>> So that's going on. So you're getting
more and more interested in these these
groups and showing up and protesting and
so at at what point
so then what uh the election happens and
then you vote you vote for Trump again
I'm assuming.
>> Yes.
>> Um and then he loses the election. What
do you think about that?
>> It was stolen.
>> You think it was stolen?
>> Don't worry. It's coming up.
>> All right. All right.
>> It's coming.
>> Come on. Dominion just dropped a
lawsuit. I mean, let's be real. It's
coming out.
>> You obviously go to Washington
for how does that how does that how does
that end up happening? And who are you
with a group that goes?
>> So, three weeks prior to January 6,
there was a stop the steel rally, which
was not as big um as January 6, but it
was very large. Um
>> what is it called?
>> Stop the steel.
>> Stop the steel.
>> Yeah. So we all went to that and you
know there was all these different
events. Michael Flynn was there like you
know speakers and um so it wasn't until
nighttime I didn't really know who
Antifa was. It was kind of like an
unorganized group of people hair blue
hair you know and uh so they were
attacking us once it got dark out in
alleyways and people were coming out
blood dripping down their face and we're
like what is going on? And I didn't
really know who the Proud Boys were um
until then. Um and they saw us with a
group of my friends, all females, and
they were like, "Where are you guys
going?" And I'm like, "Back to the
hotel." They're like, "You guys are not
safe." So they escorted us back to the
hotel. And it's it's crazy to see now
that, you know, people want to label
them terrorists. And um
>> why why did they think you weren't safe?
>> Because Antifa was out in numbers.
>> I understand. Why? Why you would think
Antifa is out that they would have
thought a group of uh gay women would
have been with them? Like were you
carrying signs and they saw the signs?
>> What are you doing?
>> We were all in Trump gear, everything.
>> Just I'm just making sure clarifying.
>> So it was it was very obvious, right? Uh
we had American flags with us.
Apparently, you know, that's a bad thing
in America.
>> Yeah. Apparently, having an American
flag is unamerican. HOA is having people
remove their flags uh and allowing them
to fly rainbow flags and other count's
flags. So,
>> we have an American flag. I have an
American flag in front of my second
American flag, by the way. Sorry. The
last one was got a little tattered. It's
very windy. So, we had to get another
one. Go ahead.
>> So, yeah. So, we went to that. Um and
then Trump announced that he wanted
everybody in DC on January 6. And when I
tell you that the media can lie to you
all they want. I mean you could get
testimonies of thousands of people that
were there. There was easily 1.5 million
people if not more. Whereas there wasn't
that many people charged but there was
that many people there. And I met people
from every country that flew just to
listen to Trump. Um so everything was
peaceful. I mean we took the subway. We
got there at like I don't know maybe 5
in the morning and we stood in a crowd
of people. Never used the bathroom.
There was no cops. There was no fights,
no violence, no nothing. And we stood
there till I don't know listening
to Trump speak. Um and then we see on
our phones like they altered his speech.
They they took out certain things.
That's why he's suing BBC. And so it was
just like okay what what is happening?
Um, so we walked down to the cap
peacefully and patriotically. Um, you
know, once I got to court, it's it's
funny to show the videos that I have on
my phone that were not presented. Um,
they made it sound like we just left
Trump's speech early, charged down to
the capital, and just overthrow the
government. That's not what happened.
>> Okay.
>> Um, you know, we joined Is this when you
joined the militia?
Just wondering at what point did they
when were they handing out the rifles?
>> Correct.
>> So this is when I got down there and
this is when the jeeps pulled up and we
started they started handing out
>> the uh the assault weapons.
>> I mean at what point did that happen?
>> It didn't. And that's the whole thing is
it's like okay I'm pretty sure if you
were overthrowing the government you
weren't going there with an American
flag or a bullhorn. You know what I
mean? Like that's not going to overthrow
the government. Um, so we walked down, I
stopped, I took videos. I mean, it was
incredible. I mean, the streets were
just flooded non-stop with people. We
get down there. Uh, we didn't want to
get separated, so we kind of found a
meeting point, which was this one tree.
I climbed the tree. I took selfies,
taken videos. My codefendant took off.
So, my who I was with my boss at the
time, too. And he was like, "Hey,
Stephanie is gone." And I was like, "Oh,
come on." So, we go looking for him.
Then we get separated because he got a
smoke bomb landed on his boot and next
thing you know, because there's so many
people, I turn to look for him and he's
gone. So, I'm like, "Oh my god." So, I'm
like trying to stand on anything that I
can with my phone zooming in into the
crowd trying to find her. Finally find
her. She's down by the scaffolding and
she's having the time of her life
laughing, recording videos, telling me
all the stuff she saw. Which that's the
thing is that depending on where you
were on which side of the building,
>> you didn't see the cops and protesters
clashing.
Um, so I was just like, I don't know.
everyone's singing the national anthem
and there's kids running around and
80-year-old people and everyone's
patriotic and next thing you know she's
like I'm going in and I was like I got
to make this executive decision.
Um but she was a single mom and my mom
was babysitting her kids back in New
Hampshire. I you know I'm a protective
person as it is. I'm not going to just
let my friend go knowing what's been
heard and what people are calling us
saying. So, I was just like, "All right,
going in." I never touched a wall, never
touched a person, didn't vandalize
anything, didn't steal anything. We go
in to an open door, which we all know
the doors, if you watch the footage, the
media won't show it to you, but it's all
there for the public to see. No one just
no one wants to take the time to do
their own homework. Um, so you see the
guy look up at the camera and then he
goes to open the door and he looks back
up at the camera. Next thing you know,
the magnet releases.
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They open those doors and if you were on
the other side of the building, you see
the cops waving you in, taking down
fencing. So, you know, we go in. I was
in for a total of 22 minutes, I think.
Walked around. Had never been in the
capital. So, I'm just I'm in awe. Like,
and my phone died, so I can't even take
pictures of videos. And, you know, we're
just following the crowd. And then we
took a picture in front of George
Washington. And then we found our way
out. And, you know, you would have
thought that I was like I murdered 10
people by the way I we were all hunted
down. And
so, that's how the day went. to what you
walk back to your car.
>> So, yeah, as soon as we came out, it was
like .
We went straight back to the hotel and
then they put a curfew, but we were
already back. So, a lot of the chaos was
after we had already left and I was just
like, listen, these they're I know how
corrupt DC is. They're going to start
hunting us down. Let's just go back to
the hotel.
didn't think anything of it.
>> At the time that this is happening in
real time, are you hearing that now that
they're saying that this is, you know,
this was a this is an insurrection or a
>> Oh, yeah. We're watching. We're watching
the news
>> and I mean, you see the smoke
everywhere. I mean, they made it so
dramatized that it was that the
insurrectionist over, you know, is
taking over the Capitol building. And
>> what was the plan? Like at what point
were you guys going to have the military
come in? I don't it's I always killed me
because it's like
there's no plan here. Like there's no
there's no coordinate. I could get it if
there was like hey there was you know
300 guys that got together. Even if
there was 50 guys that got together and
pulled out a plan and said, "We're going
to do this first and then this and then
but to take over this country like you
would absolutely have to have the
military on your side." And I mean 95%
of the military so that they didn't
start fighting amongst women. I mean you
need
>> simply walking into the capital and
complaining isn't that's not a takeover.
And the there was no plan first of all,
but nobody was there to overthrow the
government. We wanted
>> what was supposed to happen was to be
sent back to the states. They knew that
there was questionable fraud and it
needed to be investigated before you
certified the election. Period. That's
all we wanted. Redress our grievances.
We the people own that capital. Okay.
>> But there's nobody even saying that.
like there's no there's no um there's no
one person that's saying hey like it's
basically just walked around milled
around. There's nobody to go to. There's
nobody to say here are our demands here.
There's no there's no let's you know for
lack of a better word you know organiz
organized leader to say hey I'm the
person who's above the mob and this is
what our demands are or we're going to
have a sit in and we're not going to
leave which apparently is perfectly okay
in a college and they don't do anything
but here they they're they're upset
>> well we know who the organizers were
pre-planned actually there's
documentation that in August of 2020
before the election mind you the it was
led by the Boston FBI field office that
they were running running, you know,
January 6 in their head on how it was
going to go down and all this. So, how
did you know that? That seems crazy to
me. You knew you were going to steal the
election. You knew people were going to
protest and you pre-planned it. That's
that we know that there was 274 and
that's that's a bottom line number, but
that's what they've proven of FBI agents
that infiltrated. You have Jeremy Brown
military. They went to his house and
tried to recruit him before January 6.
He had home surveillance. He released
it. What did they do? They came and
planted stuff at his house. So, I mean,
it was it was pre-planned by our own
government. And they were in the crowd
and FBI agents were committing violence,
breaking things, and, you know,
shoveling out 2x4s and bats out of the
window. But this is the footage that the
media does not show you.
Okay. But you don't at this time you
don't know anything about any of this.
You're just you just went back to the
hotel because you're already watching
news clips and and hearing that, hey,
they're saying this is a, you know, this
is a takeover. This is whatever that
that an insurrection I'm positive. What
>> a mob that was rioting.
>> Not even sure what insurrection really
means. Isn't it just like you're upset
about some [ __ ] Like is that
necessarily a a rebellion? essentially
taking over the government. But but the
fact is the FBI even admitted
>> that there was no insurrection. And out
of 1600 January 6ers that were
prosecuted, not one person was charged
with insurrection.
>> But if you Google any of our names,
insurrectionists, domestic terrorists.
>> So you go back to the the hotel or
motel, whatever, you go back there. Um
and then what? You hang out there and
then go back home. Like what happens?
You don't hear anything? No, we
uh the next day we go back home and I
mean we start seeing that some people
got arrested that day on the spot. Um
and we're just like, well, I didn't have
any interactions with cops. You know, I
wasn't assaulting people. I mean, I
don't know. So, I didn't think anything
of it. Well, 3 days later, bye-bye
Facebook. There goes my whole account
gone.
>> So, what you just one day turn it on and
just you can't it won't come up.
>> Nope.
>> Do you realize something's wrong? Well,
at that point I'm like, "Okay, they're
actively going to hunt us all down.
They're going to use facial recognition.
They're going to use our social medias."
>> But why do you think why do you think
that? Are people saying that or are you
just
like I don't I I to me I wouldn't make
that leap unless somebody said,
>> "Well,
>> this is what they're like, are you
watching the news and they're saying,
"Hey, the FBI is actively hunting these
people down. They're going to find these
people. They're like, what's
>> Yes. I mean, it was it was the largest
manhunt and the most expensive in
American history. And I saw what the
Biden administration was doing to people
who were protesting at school boards. I
mean, they weaponized the government
against us. So, seeing the people that
that got arrested on the spot, seeing it
the next day, the next day, I mean, it
was consistent almost on a daily basis
that they were hunting us down.
>> Okay.
>> So, a year and a week, whatever. Um,
July 18th of the following year was when
I got picked up.
>> Did you know this was coming? Nope.
>> Did you Did you know people that were
getting visits from the FBI?
>> I mean, it was all over the news.
>> Okay. But but you weren't getting a
phone call like, "Oh my god, uh, the two
FBI officers just stopped by my house.
You're not going to believe this."
Nothing like that.
>> So about couple maybe a couple months
before I got picked up, they two FBI
agents went to my mom's house,
>> started questioning her.
>> That's not good. That's not a good phone
call. And uh
>> I've had that phone call.
>> My mom's like, "Get off my property." Um
>> your [ __ ] mom is a gangster, too. Are
you serious?
>> Yeah. She recorded it. Okay.
>> She told me to get off her property. So
then I'm like, "Okay." So I call, you
know, a friend that I know that's a
lawyer. And I'm like, "Listen, can you
look into this? Like, can we make a
phone call? Do they have a warrant for
my arrest? Like what?" So he does call,
right?
>> They don't say anything. They don't get
back to us. Well, then I find out that
uh my codefendant is talking and hooked
up with some people that I think are FBI
informants. So, I was like, well, this
is gonna get interesting.
>> So, wait, listen listen, we're we're not
in a hurry for time. So, how does that
>> you seem to want to get through this
quickly?
>> No.
>> So, how how does that happen? How do you
even know that she's talking to a couple
informants? Like, well, what is the
>> So,
>> and who is your codependent? You keep
saying your codefendant. Is this like a
girlfriend? No.
>> No. This is just a friend. She's she's
caused a lot of ruckus in my life and
she cooperated. Her case is sealed and
she took a deal and no
>> so not somebody I really want to talk
about um that tried to ruin my life. So
and many others
>> but um so there's this guy we're hanging
out at this local bar at this point.
We're still friends. Okay. And this guy
shows up and he's kind of like
drafting like attracted to us in a in a
sense and he's just like he brings up
January 6 and I was like well that's
weird. Okay. So everyone like I had
multiple friends come up to me and
they're like Carson I don't know about
this guy. He used to be a regular here
15 years ago. Nobody has seen him in 15
years and all of a sudden he just
gravitates toward you guys. And so I was
like I don't know something's weird. So
then he starts hanging out and come to
find out they end up sleeping together.
He says he wants to help us with our
case.
>> What case?
>> Shortly, well, he wants to help prepare
us in case they come. And I was like,
okay, this is strange.
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>> So, we end up having a falling out and I
was like, I I want no part of this. I I
don't know if you're a fed or what is
going on. It just seems weird to me. So,
I distanced myself. Um, and then shortly
after that, uh, you know, like I said,
my lawyer called, they wouldn't get any
information. So, uh, January 18th, 2022,
I'm late for work. I'm on my way to my
boss's house and there was a local cop
coming out of a side street. Didn't
think anything of it. Wasn't doing
anything wrong. So, he puts on his blues
as I'm turning into my boss's driveway
and I just start gathering my tools, not
thinking anything of it. He comes up to
my door, license or registration, and I
was like, "For what?" And he goes, "You
were kind of speeding." I said, "Sir, I
was not speeding, and if so, I'll gladly
take a speeding ticket."
soon as he looks at my license, just
like snatches me out of my truck and my
boss's house gets swarmed with like
seven cars, FBI, local police,
undercover. And I was like, "Oh, this is
how this is going to go down." Okay. So,
they take me to the local police
department, you know, do DNA,
fingerprints, all that. I'm arguing with
the guy in the car. He tells me he's a
Trump supporter. I said, "Well, you're a
disgrace for a Trump supporter." I said
because I don't see you doing this to
Antifa or people burning down cities and
killing cops. But okay. So then he takes
me to the capital um conquered and I go
to the Marshall estate and now I'm
handcuffed shackles. Put me in a room.
Here's a cup. I'm like a cup. Who who
gets drug tested when you get arrested?
Yeah.
>> I was like this is what is going on? So
it was like in the morning. I
didn't have a hearing till . So,
they asked for an ankle monitor and the
judge was kind of like, "Well, why do
you want an ankle monitor?" And they
were like, "Well, she's lived out of
state. She has family out of state." And
the judge goes,
>> "You're the FBI. You're a national
organization."
>> She goes, "Okay, not for nothing, but it
was over a year ago
>> and if she wanted to flee, I'm pretty
sure she would have left,
>> right?"
>> So, they're like, she was like, "No, I'm
not going to grant the the ink modder."
I was like, "Thank God." She goes, "Does
that change your position?" And I'm just
waiting for him to be like, "Yep, we
want her detained." Luckily, I walked
out of there that day. Um, and then I
was on pre-trial probation. So, again,
if you think that we have equal justice
or you are innocent until proven guilty
in this country, you were absolutely
not. Um, pre-trial probation for us
anyways. I don't know how it is for the
average person. Um, consisted of drug
test every week, being red flagged at
TSA, restricted travel, missing the
birth of, you know, my nephew. Um, and
it was I was being punished. I mean,
it's the same thing as being on
probation.
>> So, that went on for a year and eight
months. They tried to do a reverse
profer with me. U the prosecutors flew
up from DC, met with me at the FBI's
office with my lawyer, showed me all the
evidence they had against me.
>> What was the evidence?
>> Videos
>> of you just being
>> um Facebook posts where I shared
somebody's post about going to January
6.
>> What was the video that they showed just
like this is you in the crowd or?
>> Yeah. Walking through and I'm third in
line holding on to the back of my
codefendant's hoodie. They don't have me
chanting, never touched a wall, nothing.
And then they they try to say, "Oh,
well, this is where you broke a police
line." I was like, "Okay, I'm like this.
You can't move. You're I mean, you're
crammed in a hallway."
>> And there was about five cops and there
was a protester that had a bullhorn. And
he's like, he has his arm around the
police officer. They're whispering back
and forth. Next thing you know, he gets
on the bullhorn and says, "All right,
they're going to let us go through.
Everybody be peaceful. No violence and
the crowd starts moving.
Okay. Well, I I'm apparently personally
responsible for a crowd of hundreds of
people,
>> right,
>> going down a hallway that if the cop did
not say that to him at any point in
time, you could have gotten on a
loudspeaker or taken the bullhorn from
him and said that. So, that that was
about it. And I was just like, my my
lawyer takes me outside and he's like,
"This is the best deal you're going to
get, Ken." And I said, "I'm not taking a
deal."
>> "What's the deal?"
>> They'll drop. So, I had four charges. Um
disorderly conduct times two,
demonstrating, parading, and picketing,
and um trespassing.
>> Okay.
>> So, they would drop three charges and I
would plead to the lowest count, which
is demonstrating, parading, and picking.
And I was like, "No, I'm not taking the
deal." My lawyer screamed, swore at me,
told me I was stupid. This is a public
defender.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> That um I was probably going to go to
prison. And I looked at him and I said,
"Well, I can either fire you like my
last public defender pretender."
>> Mhm.
>> Um or you can prepare for trial. And he
was like, "Okay." So, I had showed him a
video of the cops waving us in. And he
was like, "Oh, I haven't seen that
video." Shows it to the prosecutor.
And then, you know, he was so convinced,
he kind of seemed like he was on my side
at first and then whatever the
prosecutor said and he comes out and
he's like, "That video is not going to
help you. That's not the door you went
in."
>> I said, "It's all one building.
>> If the police are waving you in, letting
you in over here, what does it matter
that I went over here?"
>> Right. But you're you're blaming me for
disruption on the other side of the
building.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're blaming me for the
whole day of events. So if there's
there's issue between protesters and the
police on the other side, which I never
saw, but you're bl and I'm on this side,
but you're blaming me for that, but you
can't but if the cops are letting me in
on the same door, you can't you can't
afford me that that same uh you know
what I'm saying? That doesn't make
sense.
>> It it was crazy. So I was just like,
"No, I'm not taking the deal." And he
was like, "Arson, they're probably not
going to offer you again." What are the
vid what are the videos you shared?
>> Uh well I don't have any from inside
because my phone died like 11 seconds.
>> They said you on Facebook you shared
somebody else's post.
>> They shared like a meme
>> of like um all look at all these
patriots at the capital or something.
The politicians should be scared or
something,
>> right?
>> And I was like okay but I'm not the
author of it first of all and I can
share whatever I want. Freedom of
speech.
>> So but that was not allowed at all.
There was no, you were not allowed to
mention freedom of speech during any
January 6 trial. The judges made that
very clear from the very beginning. I
don't want to hear about your first
amendment in this courtroom.
I had never seen anything like it. And
if you ask any other J6er and what we
went through, it's not that we're
saying, you know, blacks weren't
prosecuted a different way or no other
person has been gone after, but it is
true that January 6 was the largest
manhunt. You took era marshals and FBI
off of actual terrorists to watch people
like me for misdemeanors. Okay.
something that when the Democrats
stormed the capital for Brett Kavanaaugh
or abortion,
their charges got dismissed or they paid
a $50 ticket. That's highly different
than what we got. Um, so there was no
due process. There was no fair trials.
Um, we all got railroaded. Most people I
was lucky enough to not have my house
raided like most people. Um, and you're
talking misdemeanors for some of these
people.
>> Well, wait a minute. So, they made you
the offer. Your lawyer, you told your
lawyer, "Get your [ __ ] together. We're
I'm going to trial." So, how long before
you went to trial?
>> A year and 8 months.
>> It took another year and 8 months.
>> No, it took a year and 8 months total.
>> But once you said, "We're going to
trial." Was it a month or two later? 6
months?
>> Couldn't tell you.
>> Few months. Okay.
>> The timeline is so blurred at this
point. It's been five and a half years
of nonsense.
>> So, okay. So you go to trial at what
point like is there a witness list of pe
of witnesses against you?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> So they have various Capitol police
officers
um people in charge of the capital and
then my codefendant was supposed to be
my number one witness.
They ended up pulling a fast one on
that, but we'll get to that. So all
these cops that got up on the stand, saw
all of my transcripts said that they
never saw me, that they didn't they
didn't see me cause any damage. They
never interacted with me. I was like,
"Okay, well, I don't know what good that
witness is,
>> right?"
>> But it was the tears and the the mob
mentality and, "Oh, they killed police
officers." No, he didn't. Just so the
audience is aware, not one police
officer got killed on January 6, right?
>> Officer Siknic died the next day from a
stroke or a heart attack.
>> Right. He was old. He had a history and
he could have died if nobody even walked
through the door. had no there's no
correlation even though the media tries
to say he that that he died as a result
of
um of January 6 even though basically he
was just the next day he just passed
away had a stroke
>> and it was so actually it was protesters
they could kind of see in his face that
he was kind of like blue whitish pale
they actually walked him to the police
officers and told him hey something's
wrong with this guy so it was the
capital police that failed to get him
medical attention.
>> Oh, okay. I thought he was I thought he
passed away the next day like at like
off duty.
>> Yeah, but
the protesters but it did start then.
So, he was upset then. Okay.
>> So, the protesters, you know, just like
officer Fenown, the one that's all over
the TV saying that he was unconscious
yet now we have his body cam footage. He
was absolutely not unconscious at any
point in time. He committed perjury
multiple times. Um, he's been attacking
us. He's been calling for violence
against us still to this day. Who is
this? Officer Fenown.
>> I don't know.
>> The guy with all the tattoos.
>> Oh, okay.
>> That's going to all these capital, you
know, um, all the hearings and stuff and
threatening people and just whing out.
Um, so there's a lot of lies. There's a
lot of perjury. Um, there was no fair
trial with even the venues. You have
1,600 people. It was on the news 24/7.
Okay. So, we wanted to change our venues
to our home states. If you're saying
that we premeditated January 6, well,
then it started when I gassed up my car,
>> right?
>> Okay. So, it started in my home state,
and I promise you that not even a third
of us would have been convicted in our
own states.
But you're never going to get a fair
trial in DC being a conservative. I
mean, it was set up from the start. Um,
there was one acquitt, the very first
one. It was a Trump appointee judge
McFaten. And after that, I don't know
what they did behind closed doors.
>> Nobody else got any conservative
>> Oh, no. They were hammering us. So, I
don't know what happened, but we all
know, you know, they threaten people's
families. They do all sorts of crazy
things.
>> So, you're So, back to the trial. You're
on on trial. How many people So,
multiple witnesses get up, but none of
these people see you?
>> No. None of them saw me. none of them
could testify to anything that I did,
didn't do. They never saw me. So, I kind
of thought it was a little crazy. Um, so
then my lawyers struck the wrong juror
to begin with. Okay. So, I knew I wasn't
getting a fair trial from the start. We
cuz DC's weird. You have like class and
you have a phone. So, we had to pick up
the phone to talk to the judge. So, I
was like nudging him and I was like cuz
I had all the numbers and the jurors. So
did my family in the stands. And I was
like, "You struck the wrong juror." And
he was like, he's looking through. He's
like, "Oh." So he calls the judge, tells
them. The judge said, "Oh, well." So I
mean, it was rigged from the start. Um,
so then I wanted to testify because I
felt that my lawyers did an absolute
horrible job. I mean, how do you go to
trial in such a high-profile case? Not
one video, not one picture in my
defense. Not one. Um, then
>> what happened to the videos you had on
your phone?
>> They didn't use any of them. Nothing.
>> I mean, is there was it struck by the
judge or he just didn't
>> My lawyers didn't do anything?
>> Okay.
>> Nothing. So,
>> what's your lawyer's name?
>> Uh, there are two from New Hampshire.
>> Okay. public defenders after I fired the
one in DC and then I privately hired my
third one and got screwed on that one
too. So,
um, so yeah. So,
>> did you set up a gofund a fund me
gofundme or anything?
>> Yeah, we yeah, almost every January 6er
did. Um, and then they tried to take
that from us too. So, we'll get to that
in the sentencing. They Okay, that was
part of our fines. They took basically
they went online at in my sentencing,
pulled up my fundraiser and said, "This
is how much money she's raised. We want
you to take it, put it in fines." And
some of them did. I mean, some people
had to pay like 125,000 75,000.
Um, it was it varied. There was no
consistency.
>> So, you did raise money that was able to
pay for the lawyer.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, cool. Go ahead. Sorry. Um, so
needless to say, uh, I asked, "Well,
basically, why isn't my codefendant
testifying? That's your number one
witness, right?" And they got up and
said, "We're not going to have Miss
Sheager testify unless Miss Nemo
testifies."
>> I was like, "Okay, interesting. She's
your number one witness. Why would you
have her testify?" So, they called a
recess. We went into a room. Uh, my
family and friends were all out there
and could hear the yelling. We couldn't
hear what was being said. So, I told my
lawyers essentially, "You have done
nothing. This is the most ridiculous
trial I've ever sat through, and I want
to testify." And they were like, "Oh, we
got this in the bag. You're going to get
dismissed on all of it. They got nothing
on you." I was like, "No, I don't think
that's how this is going to go." So, I
said, "I want to testify." He gets up,
slams his hands on the table, starts
screaming and swearing at me. Are you
insane? You get on that stand, they're
going to rip you to shreds. I was like,
well, I would like to at least tell my
story since you haven't told my story,
>> right?
>> Um, needless to say, at that moment, it
was a hard choice that I had to make. Do
I get on that stand knowing I have
absolutely no confidence in my own
attorneys? So, I chose not to testify.
Um, and yeah, I got found guilty of all
four counts without my codefendant
testifying.
>> Are these are all felonies?
>> No, they're all misdemeanor.
>> They're all misdemeanors.
>> Mhm. Misdemeanor.
>> Hunted down for misdemeanor.
>> Okay. And what he said, how much how
much money you think the federal
government spent on these on trying you
for a bunch of misdemeanor?
>> Oh, who knows? Millions, I'm sure.
>> Misdemeanor, my understanding of a
misdemeanor is something that you're
supposed to be able to handle without
jail time. It's supposed to be a fine
um or maybe community service of some
kind.
>> Yes. So, if you were willing to snitch
on people, if you were willing to say
that Donald Trump made you do it,
yeah, you could have gotten off. Some
people did. Some people free and clear
or got the lowest little vacation
sentence that you got and they just got
probation. But if you weren't willing to
shut up and tell the truth, well, you
went to prison.
>> So, so you're found guilty. Yep.
>> Um, at sentencing, what happened?
>> So, at sentencing now, I have my private
attorney. Okay. Um, who
>> So, the other guy was a the public
defender.
>> Yes. So, we go to DC for sentencing.
Okay. I am at my hotel getting ready to
walk out to go to court and I get a text
message from my paid attorney. I'm not
going to make it. I'm sick. I said, "You
got to be kidding me." So, I went to the
court and I said I went to the courtroom
and I said, "Listen, I'm not leaving
here without some type of proof or
something that you guys are aware of
what's happening and I'm not going to be
hunted down for not showing up."
>> Right?
>> They said, "No, we we talked to your
attorney, blah, blah, blah. We'll have
to reschedule." Okay? It's an eight hour
drive to DC,
>> right?
>> So, all of us, you know, took off work.
I had a whole b, you know, supporters
with me. So, we go back to New
Hampshire. Now I'm like, "Well, you can
figure out how you're going to, you
know, file a motion to do it via Zoom.
I'm not driving back down there. This is
ridiculous." So, we got it approved to
have it via Zoom. Well, the original
attorney, you know, he had a partner.
The partner didn't really know my case.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, they had lied. They didn't pay for
my transcripts. I have all these
communications with me and the clerk
about how he didn't buy my transcripts.
So, how do you represent me in my
sentencing if you don't even have my
transcripts?
>> I was like, this is not going to be
good. So, my judge spent about the first
five minutes chewing out my lawyer about
how his partner is not licensed in DC.
He's tired of seeing him in his
courtroom without being licensed in DC.
Um, you know, the charade that you put
on when you missed the last sentencing.
I was like, this is okay. my judge hates
this this lawyer. So, this is trouble.
>> So, the problem is is where they were
not prepared and in my opinion got me
more prison time.
>> Um, so they the prosecutor said that
they regret not charging me with the
1512, which was the felony obstruction
charge, which they tacked on to a bunch
of people. If you didn't take a deal or
you went on too many shows and you
pissed them off, they were hitting you
with another charge. So they openly say
this in my transcripts.
>> What is the charge? You're saying
>> obstruction.
>> Obstruction. Okay. Did you say that and
I missed it?
>> Obstruction of an official proceeding.
>> Okay. Obstru. Okay.
>> So which is a felony.
>> So they say we regret not charging Miss
Nemo with obstruction. Okay. We're
already at sentencing. So I mean what's
the point?
>> So then they were arguing. So
trespassing I believe is four or six
points. Um obstruction is 10 points. So
of course you know how the point system
works.
>> Yeah. Yeah. give you,
>> you know, 0 to 6, 6 to 12. So they
>> I I don't I never saw low numbers like
that, by the way.
>> Well, I only had misdemeanor. So
So they sentenced me to 10. And I was
like, how are you sentencing me to a
point level of a charge I was never
charged with,
>> right?
>> So again, the partner who represented my
case was not prepared to represent my
case. He tried to argue it here and
there. Nope, it stuck. I got the 10
points. I was in the bracket of six to
12 months.
>> I was going to say eight. I think eight
and above. You're you're you're looking
at jail time, right? Something like six
to eight or something like that is
possible jail time.
>> Uh well, each of those charges in
general can carry jail time.
>> It's just that that never happens. You
get probation, community service,
whatever.
>> So, the 10 points put me in the higher
bracket.
>> Okay. Um, originally if it would have
been the four, I would have been 0 to 6
months, but I was in the 6 to 12 because
of that point level.
>> But you could also be probation 0 to 6
months probation. Okay.
>> Oh, if you cooperate, if you, you know,
weren't on podcast and blasting the
prosecutors in the process. Yeah. If you
took a plea,
>> most of them got probation. Yes. Um, so
we're in sentencing. The judge decided
to rip me apart about my personal
beliefs.
um and went off the record illegally and
watched a podcast that I did, which is
weird cuz it was nowhere in my trial. I
don't know why you went off the record.
And this particular podcast, I was
wearing a t-shirt that said, "End the
silence, save the children." Now, I've
been an advocate child trafficking. He
proceeds to tell me that because I have
followers on social media and people are
listening to me and I'm spreading false
conspiracies that politicians are
trafficking and producing pornography
that that has to do with the deterrence
of the sentence I'm going to impose
today
>> and that I'm detached from reality. It's
all I mean I could give you the exact
quote if you want, but that's
essentially that to a tea.
>> So, it wasn't what I did or didn't do on
January 6 cuz you don't have me do
anything besides walking into the
people's house.
You punished me because I had social
media followers and because I was on
podcast exposing your corruption.
And I guess you're in denial that sex
trafficking is actually larger than the
drug trade in America. What? Okay. So,
he gave me 11 months.
>> It And that did they take you in right
then? No. Or Okay.
>> So, I'd say it took probably like
couple months and at first they I got an
email with my designation Fort Dicks.
I'm like looking it up. I'm like, Fort
Dicks is a men's prison,
>> right?
>> So, I was like, "Okay, well, I'm just
going to ride this out as long as I can
until you figure it out." cuz I am
absolutely not going to a men's prison.
So like a week before, you know, they
ended up contacting me and they were
like, "We messed up on the paperwork,
blah blah blah. We have to redesate
you." I'm like, "Okay." Bought myself a
couple more weeks. Then I get designated
to Hazelton, West Virginia, which is a
medium.
>> Okay.
>> A medium.
>> A medium.
>> What are your points? What are your
security points?
>> Uh I don't know.
>> Like one or two, if if that. I don't
even know how you could. These aren't
this isn't
>> these aren't considered violent.
>> No misdemeanor.
>> But here's the thing.
>> They would not put any January 6er into
a camp because they were worried because
it was so high-profile that people were
going to be protesting at the camps. And
given that there's no fence, they
figured this was going to be a major
problem.
>> Okay.
>> So they put us in I mean some people
went to a low but right
>> and a lot of us went to mediums. So,
I show up. Um, they had like armed
guards at the bottom of the mountain
waiting for me. It was quite a sight to
see. I had my glasses and my Bible. And
in front of my family, I asked, and it's
actually all on video, but I said, "Am I
allowed to bring this in?" "Yep." So,
they put me in a van. They drive me up
to the mountain. Soon as I get up there,
they take my Bible, they take my
glasses, and they say, "We're going to
mail these home." Right.
>> I'm like, "Oh, well, I'm glad I just
paid $700 to have glasses made in 24
hours so I could see." And you're going
to send them home.
>> Okay. So, apparently Hazelton guards
were watching my live stream to
self-surrender and all of my podcasts.
So, they all knew I was coming. Um, so
at first they said, "Are you sure you
want to go to general population?" And I
was like, "Well, why wouldn't I?" Right?
>> Like I'm thinking to myself, I mean, I
was not like the poster J6er all, you
know what I mean? How would these
inmates know who I was? You know what I
mean? So they were like, "Oh, we've all
seen your videos, blah blah blah." I'm
like, "Okay, so unless you told the
inmates I was coming, there's no way
that they know." And I was like, "Now
I'll go to general population." Well, I
would think most of the guards would be
they're all former military or
>> you would think.
>> Yeah, they would all be conservative or
at least conservative, you know, in
nature, you know, at least leaning that
way.
>> Some of them.
>> Okay.
>> And some of them, I don't know if they
got bullied in school and decided to
pick a profession where they could bully
people and do what they do and treat
inmates like scum, but there was some
love and some not so love. Um, so they
go in, I'm sitting in the process, I
don't know, for hours. Um, and then of
course, you know, they do the medical
and you know, do you have the COVID
shot? I was like, don't even think about
it. I said, I'm not vaccinated and I'm
certainly not getting it. And they, you
know, kind of at that point, CO was kind
of
>> on its way out.
>> On its way out because had I gone to
prison during CO, I mean, they forced
you to get vaccinated,
>> right? Um, and they were on severe
lockdown for a very long time. So, I was
like, "Oh, is this going to change
whether they put me in solitary or not?"
But I got to go to general population.
So, well, I don't know, like my second
day there. Bunch of Hispanics and blacks
come up to me outside. They're like,
"What's up?" I'm like, "What's up?" And
they're like,
>> "Oh, you're a white supremacist."
>> They're like,
>> they go, "Oh, I hear you're racist." I
said, "Where'd you hear that from?" I've
been trying to keep I've been trying to
keep that quiet.
>> You're a Trump supporter, yada yada
yada. I was like, oh, come on.
Seriously. I said, you don't you don't
even know my case. You know what I mean?
So, I was like, whatever. They don't
leave me alone at that point. But then
everyone was like, you know, whispering
and calling home and looking me up. And
I was like, and some girls would come up
be like, "Oh my god, my parents watched
your podcast. They're like hardcore
Trump supporters. They love you." And
then other ones are like, "You're a
Nazi. You're a white supremist. It's
like, "Fuck Donald Trump." And I was
like, "Oh, you mean the same man that
gets you out of prison early?"
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. You don't know that cuz you
sit in here and watch CNN all day. Okay.
Let me let me try to educate you a
little bit. And I went from, you know,
being pretty hated um till the end,
chanting USA. My whole unit scared the
[ __ ] out of the guard. One guard to 98
people and they're all stomping USA. Um,
but yeah, so it was a little rough as
far as most people who, you know, lie or
are quiet about their stuff are usually
come to be choos. They don't know why
I'm there. And I was like, I'm here for
misdemeanor. They're like, [ __ ]
You're lying. And I was like, call home,
look me up. And they were like, holy
[ __ ] I don't think I've ever been in
prison with somebody in the federal
prison in a medium for misdemeanor. I
said, well, welcome to the new America.
All right. Good times. Yeah. Yeah. So,
>> hanging out at the how and what would
you say? 98 98 uh inmates per unit. How
many unit how many people are in that
are in the medium?
>> Uh I think there's like 500 at Hazelton,
something like that. But when I went in,
I was in J1, which was finishing hard.
So it was thankfully the quietest
unit because these people had to behave.
>> Of course they're terrified.
>> I was an art app. I loved art app.
>> They're they're an art app. So I was
like,
>> you know, it was so quiet and when
they're doing their programming, you're
you like you have to be quiet in your
room. So I was like, okay. So I was just
like doing push-ups, reading the Bible,
you know, just trying to stay busy. But
it was peaceful because you know like K2
you know people are locks and socks and
getting locked down for five seven days
at a time because there's fights and
this and so it was nice to be in the
quieter unit. Um
>> were you there the whole time?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh come on. You can't
>> Well, no ended. So then it turned to a
regular unit but yes I did stay.
>> Why did it end?
>> Because they took the program out.
>> Oh I didn't know that.
>> Mhm. Okay.
>> They've been doing it all over. They
Hey, we want you to take our DAB and
change your life and get a year up. Oh,
well, we're going to take it out.
>> Oh, I can imagine that the the Bureau of
Prisons is [ __ ] freaking out because
of all the all the people the inmates
that are getting let out early now.
They're probably the prison population
is probably shrinking and that's
terrifying them. So, they're trying to
I'm sure they're taking good time left
and right. they're probably doing
anything cuz people don't seem to
realize like
any or no organization survives unless
it continues to grow.
>> So if you implement like Trump signed
the um
>> uh is it uh
>> second chance act or first step act or
what?
>> First step.
>> First steps act. So, and as a result of
that, you instead of getting 15% off
your sentence for I know you know this
tells. So, in instead of getting 15% off
for good time, you can get 15% off plus
you can get 15% in a halfway house.
Plus, you can earn home confinement
time, right? So, you can get something
like
>> I mean, if it's done right, you can do
50% of your time,
>> right? I always say like 50 55% because
it would you it'd almost be like you'd
have to be all the planets would have to
align but yeah like 50%. Um so 50 to 60
60% is actually very reasonable. So you
that's a chunk of time off if you if you
got a sign if you got 10 years you can
be out in five five and a half you know
like so um but as a result of that the
population is shrinking and the Bureau
of Prisons I've no doubt is terrified
because if they don't have the more
inmates are in the prison system the
more money they get in their budget
>> you know so
>> Oh yeah. So they don't they don't like
the idea of shrinking. Yeah. They don't
like the idea of of the prison
population shrinking and now Trump
>> the city wants to close all the camps.
>> Yeah. They they just closed like what
seven facilities
>> which cracks me up because the point
system lets people it determines if you
are out custo if you're so low that you
they basically say look we're going to
put send you to a facility. It doesn't
even have fences. You could walk off.
>> Mhm. You could call your family member,
say, "Meet me in the parking lot." And
you could walk straight in the car. You
don't even have to sneak away or walk
right in the in the in the uh parking
lot. Get in the car and drive off.
There's so few guards. Like, there's
nothing to keep you there. So,
and so the Trump administration looked
at it and said, "If if if these people
are so low that you're saying that
they're not a danger to society, then
why do we have them locked up? Put them
on an ankle monitor and send them home.
Let them get a [ __ ] job. Why are we
paying to to house these people? Just
give them a probation officer to keep an
eye on them. That's it. That's perfectly
reasonable. And so, as a result, they're
they're now closing facilities. Once
again, I have no doubt that the Bureau
of Prisons is freaking the [ __ ] out.
>> Well, and then you got Todd Chrysley
exposing people left and right. Uh,
>> him getting fired.
>> Listen, I was just complaining. I would
love to be on the Chryslies. I'd love to
get on their show.
>> I would too. I've reached I've re I've
tried to reach I can't even get a
contact information.
>> I mean, he just went on Ian Beck.
>> I I called Ian. Well, I didn't call him.
I texted him and he said he his sp so he
has a a sponsorship
a a sponsor that contacted him and said,
"Hey, we can get uh Todd Chrisley on
your show if you want." And he said,
"Absolutely." He goes, "And they
arranged the whole thing." He goes, "But
I'll reach out to them and tell them
that you're interested in being on his
show." And he said he texted them and he
said, "I've I've never heard anything
since." I mean, you just hammer him
again. Say, "What the [ __ ] going on,
bro? Come on, work with me. Help me.
Help me."
>> Mhm.
>> Help me. Um, okay. So, anyway, so you're
you're locked up. You're in prison.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, I have one more question real quick
and then I'll stop asking questions. So,
the question is, in a medium, are you in
a cell or are you is it open bay? So,
Hazelton um cuz there are other mediums
like Carwell and various ones that are
like dorm settings,
>> right?
>> Hazelton is two to a cell locked door.
>> That's really not bad. That's nice.
>> I mean, I honestly after hearing like
the dorm styles.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, besides the anxiety of you're
not used to that environment being
locked in that, you know what I mean?
You just think like what if something
happen like you're you ain't getting out
of this room, you know what I mean?
>> Nobody's nobody's coming. Um but it it
was it was nicer as far as you know not
being in an open room with all these
>> people. Yeah. People screaming and
hollering. Yeah. You don't know me
people have mental problems and
>> so
>> so I uh I go in and I I go to my they
bring me to my cell. The girl I was in a
cell with was in there. She's from
California for selling drugs or
whatever. And uh she was really nice.
They didn't give me commissary for 21
days. Um even though they're supposed to
when you're new. Uh they were doing
inventory. That was their excuse. I'm
like, "Yeah, well, you could have
brought me something." And I remember
everybody saying, "Do not owe anybody
money. And you you better learn prison
politics, okay? Don't get involved. You
know, keep to yourself. Um you're going
to be fresh meat, especially being gay.
And in prison they call you a stud. Uh
so I'm just like, "Oh god, here it
goes." So at first I was like, "Nope,
don't give me nothing. I got those steel
toe boots they give you. I'm walking the
track every chance I can. I got blisters
on my feet." I'm like, "Nope, not taking
anything. Not taking anything." About a
week in, uh this girl comes up to me and
she was like, "Listen, I don't want
nothing. Like let me give you these
shoes." She was like, "Cuz I'm sure your
feet are killing you." And I was like,
"Are you sure?" She's like, "Yeah."
Ended up being a really good a really
good person. Um, so I get shoes finally.
And I was like, "All right, this is much
better than these boots." And then, um,
21 days later, I get my commissary. Um,
and like I said, these women were not
too fond of me. Um, I think most of the
prison pol like population in women's
anyways are very uneducated as far as
politics. They see, you know, the man on
TV that the media hates and they're just
like, you know, screw Donald Trump. I
hate Donald Trump. And I I used to tell
him, I was like, "All right, well, why
don't you go see your case manager and
uh let them know that you you don't want
your first step back. Why don't you just
do your full sentence?" And uh so we'd
sit down and have conversations and
debates like this all the time. And I
think the hardest part for me was I
don't like seeing anybody get beat up.
It's just not I don't find it funny. I
don't you know it's it was hard to stand
back and not do something. Um but when I
went to go step in, everyone was like
cursing. This you know this is not
>> you are not at home. Okay.
>> You're going to go to the shoe. You're
going to be shipped. You're going to
spend the rest of your time in. So, it's
like, you know, a couple doors down,
these three girls jumped this one girl
and put a lock in a sock and I mean,
mutilated her face. Um, and there, you
know, there was a lot of that. And a lot
of it honestly came from the ones that
were transitioning.
So, I guess my my biggest thing was why
are taxpayers
paying to transition inmates while in
federal custody? Why did the BOP pay for
a specific inmate um that I'm actively
trying to advocate for? Even though I'm
against the trans community in that
sense, this one is a little bit
different. If the BOP paid to have the
full surgery, cut off,
add boobs, everything on taxpayer
dollars, then if they do not have a
penis, they don't belong in a men's
prison. In my opinion, if the BOP was
willing to do that whole surgery and
they've been in a women's prison for 10
years.
>> Wait a minute. So, this is this is
someone that they had the surgery.
>> Yes. The BOP paid for it. You can look
it up.
>> The same. So, listen. I was locked up
with I guess
it's a
it's
>> guy who's a female.
>> Be politically correct.
>> No, no. I'm trying to think. It's a
trans a trans female, let's say. What
What do you call it?
>> It's a guy who
>> It's a guy who's a guy who's now a girl.
>> Okay.
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Although he's probably got a a 9 in, but
black guy who's like 6' tall. Um but
acted like a 12-year-old girl. Uh and
when I went into art app, they stuck um
him. They Mrs. Smith in my cell. Listen,
bro.
My god, I remember when I when I walked
because they just switch the cells every
every uh trans uh what do you call
section or whatever the um
anyway they have different phases phases
phase one phase two. So every phase
everybody they swapped around and so one
day I come back walk into my cell and
there is Miss Smith and I look up
and she says she's like oh my god Cox
we're going to be sell isn't that great.
And I looked and I go well I'm not happy
about it. I can tell you that. And I
turn around I walk off
and I mean I was like what the [ __ ] am I
going to do? like I'm about to get
kicked if I don't go if I throw any fuss
at all. I'm getting kicked out of art
app.
>> I'm still waiting for the management
variable to be placed on me cuz I didn't
want to get moved to a camp because my
mom came to see me. Every two weeks she
would come. But if I went to a camp, I'd
be four hours away at least four or five
hours. I'd be in Miami and I walked
around. You [ __ ] Pete, my buddy Pete
was there and I I [ __ ] I'm walking
around. He sees me. Hey, what's going
on? I said, 'Oh my [ __ ] god. And I
tell him what's going on. I, you know,
lose it. And he said, "Yeah, no, Pete's
by Pete's on the spectrum.
He can't believe this guy was ever in
prison." He's like, "Yeah, he got like
40 years." And he goes, he's like,
"Yeah, yeah, I understand. It's a
predicament." He sat there. He goes,
"Because you have to ask yourself is how
much do you love your mother?" And I
went, "This [ __ ] dick. He [ __ ] he
said because that's what it comes down
to. He's not what these guys think. How
much do you love your mom? And I went he
said don't halfass it. I went [ __ ] So I
walk back in the [ __ ] little cube and
Mrs. Smith is sitting there looking sad
at 6 foot tall giant. And I went my god.
I go this is going to be the most
interesting cell. I said I am so sorry
about the way I behaved your ladies.
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This wasn't it. This was like like are
you sleeping? I'm like what the [ __ ]
It's like you don't understand. So and
so broke up with me and I love him so
much and I just I'm like are you serious
about this? Are you [ __ ] serious?
It's 2 o'clock in the morning. Like
we're hard at whisper. Whisper like
hold yourself, man. What was Mrs. Smith
in there for?
the the they call it the the black guys
call it the drop and what that is the
the the tax scam. You know the people
that were stealing someone's identity
and filing taxes on their tax return.
Shoot, some of these people probably
weren't even getting might not even
getting tax returns, but they would go
in and file taxes. Like if you went to
H&R Block or something, they had your
information, they would file taxes on
you and then get it deposited onto a
prepaid debit card before you even get
your taxes. So, they're stealing the tax
return and then maybe the next year you
might go or later that few months later
you might show up to get your taxes done
and they've already got your $9,000 or
something. So, Miss Smith did that for
to the tune of I don't know what they
got her on like $400 or $500,000 or
something and yeah went to prison and
met me and was for a short period of
time was my uh we were boozing buddies.
We were just so close. We're like this.
I was I was on top. Um and uh Yeah.
Yeah. And then we're actually I think
we're friends on Facebook. She got fat.
Really fat. Really? Uh but got the whole
get up going, the makeup kit, the whole
thing.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Playing it.
>> Well, so we had we had five uh
transgenders.
>> Oh, I was going to say and got all the
shot. Sorry. And got all the shots.
>> Yeah.
>> Got all the stuff. saw a psychiatrist
but never got the the well no yours
would have been they had to snip them
off on they would have had to give like
a boob job or something. Never did that
though.
>> But yeah, but I did I was shocked that
they were giving
>> I mean we had women full-blown beards.
>> That's insane.
>> Uh like voice changing.
>> So in the in in the female prison you
have I guess biological males that are
transitioning to females. Yes.
>> Are you [ __ ]
>> And I saw people to this day are just
like, "Nah, I thought that was like I I
didn't think that was really happening."
Yeah. No, we had five of them. Five of
them. And one was in there for
uh sex crime, speciality,
um crazy things. There was only one that
I think robbed a bank. The rest of them
were all predators. Um so here's the
problem. We're not in a dorm. So, you're
in a women's prison, which I mean,
what's the numbers? At least 70% in
studies they've done of women who end up
in prison have been assaulted in their
lifetime.
>> So, realistically, now you have a woman
that is forced to live with a man that
did not have his [ __ ] cut off,
>> right?
>> And you're in a locked cell together.
And I remember this one young girl, she
was there. It was her first time, like,
you know, first- time offender, drugs.
And I mean she was calling home. She was
crying. If you refuse to lock in, you go
to the shoe,
>> right?
>> So I mean her her parents are calling
the prison. Inmates are writing reports
to the warden. We're all trying to help
her. It they finally switched her, but
it took like a week. So she was forced
to live with a man in a cell in a
women's prison. I was like, "This is
insane."
>> So of course, you know, I'd call home.
My mom recorded all my phone calls, so I
have them all. And I mean, I didn't hold
back. I didn't give a [ __ ] I was
telling her about all the corruption,
everything that was happening. I mean, I
got called down to the lieutenant's
office to ask me about one of my phone
calls, and I was like, "Well, listen." I
said, "You guys can either do what's
right. I know you're you're more worried
about the discrimination aspect of it,
right? But what's who's being
discriminated against is us women."
Okay? So, I don't really care. You guys
are worried about getting sued by a
transgender. I said, "You put an old
lady in her 70s into the shoe because
she was being harassed by a
transgender." I said, "Make that make
sense."
>> Right?
>> So, needless to say, SIA was there. Um,
>> SIS.
>> No, the one above is SIA.
>> I didn't even know there was above SIS.
>> So, they pulled me in and they're like,
"So, let's talk about this situation I
heard you on the phone talking about."
And I was like, "Well, what do you want
to know?" I said, "I hope you get sued."
I said, "Cuz this is ridiculous." I
said, "That poor lady was crying. She's
being harassed. You got this transgender
stripping naked for the guard. We're all
watching this happen." I said, "And you
put her in the shoe?" I said, "Nless
to say, after that meeting, they let her
out of the shoe." But um there was just
I could not wrap my head around the BOP
paying to chop off someone's penis, give
you boobs and a vagina, and have you in
a women's prison for 10 years, then
Trump signs an executive order about
going to the prison where biologically
you know what you were born as. And I
get that. Trust me, I I battle this
every like all the time when I speak out
against it. This situation I don't think
is right. I think if you have given that
surgery and you try to put now someone
who has vagina and all of that into a
men's prison.
>> Yeah, that's a mistake.
>> That that's not
>> once the surgery cuz once the surgery is
done, I think you're you know, I mean,
you're not a biological woman, but you
can't put them in with a man. You might
as well put them in the with the women.
>> That's what I'm saying. So, but yet you
allowed
>> the man will destroy that person. If
that person, they'll
>> Yeah.
>> So, you know, that's a battle right now.
Um, I know that person was like forcibly
removed. They locked down the prison and
it was how it was explained to me was
like kind of like a SWAT team came in,
removed her, and now she's kind of
sitting in a segregated part of the
prison figuring out what they're going
to do. Mhm.
>> Because you know when Trump first signed
that executive order, a leftist judge
blocked it. They had removed the
transgenders for like a very short
period. Then they all went back and so
they're still battling it in court. But
that specific situation,
no matter how I feel, I do believe that
they belong in a women's prison.
>> Yeah, it's too late. You can't put the
genie back in the bottle. Um I was going
to say worst case scenario,
no. You you just I was going to say you
could you could put them in a in a in a
in a camp.
Uh they wouldn't be or a low they it
would be harass a little bit but
nobody's nobody's really getting you
know assaulted you know uh in those
facilities.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. Maybe pressured a little bit but
in a camp nobody would but still what
what a horribly awkward um environment.
I I don't know why you just wouldn't let
them finish out their time in a in a uh
>> Well, well, here's the kicker,
>> right?
>> They have life.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're just [ __ ]
>> Why did the BOP when you can't afford to
feed inmates or give them proper medical
care?
>> You spent money for a lifer
>> to get to get surgery.
>> Yeah.
>> More mind-blowing.
>> I just put them back in the in the
female,
>> you know. So, I'm sure they have
multiple emotions going on, but I mean,
this is just like the insanity of things
that like I would have never thought was
reality going into prison.
>> Um, but yeah, so we had we had a few men
uh that just put on eyeliner and maybe
walked a little uh feminine and wham
bam, they're women. Oh, we had we had
groups of um
like uh
whatever transgenders that
uh had boob job like still had the
equipment but had like boob jobs,
hip whatever implant. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Butt job, the whole thing. And I made
like a it you know it was it was
insanity. It was insanity to see a what
is it what you call a bunch of are they
a gaggle or something a go whatever a
group of them walking around hey and
you're like Jesus um and uh but yeah
there'd be three or four or five of them
walking around you're like this is
insanity like this is the stuff that
they don't show you in Shaw Shank
Redemption. you know.
>> So, yeah.
>> But yeah, it was like, you know, one day
I'm walking into my unit and this this
officer is like, "Hey, like, what's up?"
He's like, "You're the one that stole
Nancy Pelosy's laptop." I go,
>> I go, "No, that's the other one."
>> So, there was five of us, five J6ers at
Hazelton at the same time, but I wasn't,
you know, there's J1, J2, K1, and K2.
And one of them was doubled up, I think,
in K2, but there was no other J6ers in
my unit. Um, and not all of us got along
either. Um, but yeah, they would just
like ask me random things or like I'd
get pictures sent in and of course, you
know, I met Trump and I have pictures
with Trump and so
>> this is prior to so you know, they're
sending me all these pictures and you
know the the guards, some of them are
like,
you know, they're like can't really you
know, act like that. And then other ones
were just would harass the [ __ ] out of
me and I'm just like, you know what,
like just get over it. Um but anyways,
so
uh like my second day, um I run into
Sarah who I had met 17 years ago. Um she
used to race for NASCAR and her current
husband at the time 17 years ago was
from the same town in New Hampshire that
I'm from.
>> Okay.
Um, so run into her, uh, you know, it's
been 17 years. Um, a lot of lost time
and I'm like, what are you in here for?
34 years they gave her.
>> For what?
>> So, back in 2012, um, now mind you, she
was a volunteer firefighter. She trained
police K9 dogs, first time offender, and
raced short track for NASCAR. Had her
whole life ahead of her.
>> I can already tell she went to trial.
>> Okay. No.
>> No.
>> No. took a plea.
>> Well, listen to listen to this. So, she
had gone to Bluefield, Virginia Police
Department and West Virginia um and had
told them because her husband at the
time had previous he did 5 years in
state and Florida for multiple armed
robberies. He was physically abusive,
mentally abusive. Um she just felt like
she couldn't get away. There was
multiple assert assault charges. Um but
she was threatened by his family. So she
dropped him like most domestic violence
victims do. Um so she went to the police
department and explained to them that
her father had given her a firearm for
protection. She was worried that he was
going to commit a crime. Okay. So she
did the right thing,
>> right?
>> They said nothing we can do. No crimes
been committed. Marital property. How
they chocked it up. Well, no, it
actually is a crime. He's a felon and
he's on probation, so he shouldn't have
a firearm. But okay, so they do nothing.
Typical, I guess, in West Virginia. You
know, they don't really care what you
do. So, fast forward, he decides him and
his buddy um that they were going to go
rob some places.
And Sarah was going to be extorted for
her driving skills.
So, she never entered the building.
Wasn't even in the parking lot.
>> Um obviously did not want to be a
willing participant. Well, they go to
rob a store in North Carolina and the
store owner shot one of them. They fired
back and the guy died.
>> Mhm.
>> So, they for four years threatened Sarah
with the lethal injection that they were
going to charge her with capital murder.
Would they have ever convicted her on
that? No. But at the time, first- time
offender, never been in trouble, two
kids, one and three. Um they said
basically this is your best way to save
your life and you need to take this plea
deal. We'll drop the um capital murder
and the death penalty. And the
government asked for 10 years. Okay. Now
we all know that the government is the
one that normally wants to hammer you,
>> right?
>> You know, they understood her situation.
It things certain things were
documented. first- time offender, didn't
go in, didn't partake in any of the
violence or anything that happened. So,
um they asked for 10 years. The judge
completely ignored the prosecution
and gave her 34 years. M
>> and then uh West Virginia decided to
pick up charges uh because it was a
little spree of North Carolina,
Virginia, West Virginia,
>> right?
>> So, West Virginia decided to pick up
state charges. Um and Sarah willingly
filed the aid, ID, whatever they
>> to face her charges. Well, the other two
decided to just play the system all this
time since 2012.
So, she gets 35 years in state running
with her federal. Okay. Getaway driver,
first time offender, lease couple.
Well, I just found out um this is why
we're filing motions um for reduction in
sentence. So, we just found out that
these two decided to write letters
saying, "Hey, you knew where I was. You
never came and got me. Statute of
limitations, which they're uneducated
because first-degree robbery doesn't
have a statute of limitations in West
Virginia." But needless to say, the
state is not going to waste time and
money to prosecute them from 2012. So,
they now don't have a detainer. Well,
one of them does. Um, so her husband at
the time, he got his charges dropped
recently, West Virginia, cuz he said,
"I'm not taking a plea." Set a trial
date. Well, they're not going to waste
their money. So, you got 35 years for
Sarah. The husband gets off completely
and the other one got a took a plea deal
for 20 years. Tell me how that's
justice. That's not justice.
Now, the bigger problem is that Sarah's
JNC is wrong. Now, for anyone who
doesn't know, that's a judgment and
commitment. That is the paper that is
your charges on why you're in prison.
So, she pled to conspiracy
um Hobs after robbery and 924J the
conspiracy of it. Okay. Now, legally,
both of those charges are eligible for
FSA.
She doesn't get nothing.
>> Why?
>> Because the judge put four charges
Now, the BOP has looked at it. Even the
warden Sarah, it is clear as day. Your
plea agreement does not match your JNC.
We've done a rule 36. She did a 2255.
We've done everything. The judge refuses
to fix it. It is clear as day wrong.
>> What about the the transcript?
>> Oh, she showed him everything.
>> So, I'm saying the Does the transcript
say that she because the transcript?
>> Yes, the transcript, the plea deal,
everything. The transcript is should
trump everything else because that's
where he says, "I'm finding you guilty
of Did he say all four or did he say
two?"
>> No, two. It's all It's all in black and
white. Hazelton now Carwell, the warden,
her counselor, they've all looked at it
and said, "Sarah, there's nothing the
BOP can do, though."
>> Mhm.
>> You have to get it fixed. What do you do
at that point? Your only hope is
clemency because she's being denied FSA.
They didn't even give her the time off
for ARA app. She did ARDAP and then she
taught ARDAP for three years.
>> Now, since I've been doing her petition,
I mean, you're talking people who
haven't been in prison for years are all
reaching out to me. They've all written
character letters. They She I'm telling
you, she probably did more than Alice
Johnson. Okay, this girl has done
parallegal. She trains dogs. She's uh
she got her dental assistant. She has
done every FSA BOP program once, twice,
even three times. She cooks for the
staff. She cooks for the warden. She's a
um companion,
uh hospice companion. I mean, if you met
her, which some other Jixers and people
have, you would never know why the hell
she's in prison. She does not belong in
prison.
>> Well, what's what's the problem with the
judge? Is there a specific
>> I don't know what his problem is. He's
86 years old, semi-retired, shouldn't be
a judge. We don't know what his issue
is. Um, even in her his response to her
2255, he says it in black and white.
Miss Barry is actually innocent of Count
11, but because she cannot prove she's
innocent of the dismissed charges, he
won't give her her time back. That's 14
years of her sentence that she's
innocent of.
Oh, trust me. I've taken it to Rudy
Giuliani. I've taken it to Congress. She
does have a clemency in. We've talked to
Alice Johnson. Alice Johnson just went
and visited her recently. The warden has
recommended her for clemency.
>> I mean,
>> you can't get any better than that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it.
>> You know, so it's like even the BOP's
fighting for the girl. Like, and I know
it's all politics right now. Right now,
it's optics, money, and politics. They
want to play the whole midterms game.
Well, doesn't really look good. What do
you mean? If we're about equal justice,
then you can see state and federal is
unfair. The fact that it's technically
wrongful imprisonment. If she got FSA,
she'd be out in 3 years,
>> right?
>> So, it is the biggest miscarriage of
justice. Um, I even offered to in
exchange give up my pardon just for her
to come home. Um, it's very sad. Her her
parents are actively declining. Um
they've raised her children and you know
it's heartbreaking that these kids
>> actively Oh okay.
>> Yeah. Their health.
>> Yeah. Her dad's a 100% disabled veteran.
He's got every medical condition known
to man. Um her mom's about to lose her
driver's license and they've been
raising these kids and 14 years is a
long time.
>> So you're you've got a what? Clemency
in. You've got paperwork in. What what
are you doing?
>> Yeah. So we have a clemency. Um Alice
Johnson went to Carwell and spoke
directly to Sarah um about two weeks
ago. Um the warden recommended her in
front of the director and Alice Johnson.
>> Um I have a petition going. I've started
a YouTube channel, an ex account, a Tik
Tok, and an Instagram trying to spread
her story. Um so if anybody did time
with Sarah Barry in Hazelton, we're
looking for anybody who wants to write
letters of support. And my goal is to
get her home before Christmas.
>> And there's a you said there's a
petition. Is there
>> like a link or something?
>> Yep. There's a link on change.org that
we can put up.
>> Okay. I'll put that up. So when you
eventually eventually you walk out the
door,
>> right? Do you get pardoned while you're
in there
>> or No, you do the whole So you do the
>> So I got six months, eight months. How
much?
>> Eight months after FSA.
>> Okay.
>> Um I did eight months. I get out and I
have 12 months of probation. Mhm.
>> I did 10 months before I got pardoned.
Um,
for me, and I've I've spoken about this
publicly. I mean, it's not a dig at
Trump. I mean, he wasn't in office to
pardon us sooner.
>> Mhm.
>> But you got to understand that I wasn't
the one of the ones in prison that got a
pardon. The ones who had 20 years, 15
years,
>> that pardon set them free.
>> Right.
>> Okay. I did a year and eight months
pre-trial. I did eight months in prison
and 10 months probation for trespassing.
Okay. Um, so I'm not as excited about
the pardon. I guess it didn't do
anything for me except I guess take it
off my record. I don't really know.
That's a big controversy. Some people
still shows up, some people don't. Um,
it didn't erase the internet,
>> right?
>> So, the pardon didn't really do anything
for us. Um, we're still being
blacklisted. We have J6ers. We've lost
26 to either side or um the ones that
were denied their cancer medication and
died because of their prison sentence.
Um they don't understand like we're
still harassed, we're still being doxed,
you know, we apply for a job,
everything's great. You might have 20
years experience. Well, till they Google
your name and we have Jixers that are
being fired every day. uh you know,
master electricians in the field that
they've done their whole life all
because of politics and it's it it's
been a real struggle and it's you know
we just lost one two weeks ago.
I mean the full weight of the government
the way that it that it was and we're
still being weaponized. Some people are
still being watched. You still have
corrupt FBI agents. Um, it's just really
sad because I don't know how unless
Trump plans to somehow sign something
and erase the internet.
I don't know how we're going to recover.
I mean, even Ed Martin, the pardon
attorney, you can watch a podcast he did
and he said 20 years from now, if you're
related to a Jexer or a Jexer, good
luck. I mean, the internet's forever. I
mean, you could type in my name, it's
pages. It's like eight pages of just
insurrectionist, violent rioter, New
Hampshire woman breaks a window,
didn't break a window, but because a
tipster called and told you that, that's
defamation in my opinion. You know,
that's what helped you indict me off of
a lie.
>> I never broke a window, never touched a
window. So, it's things like that that
when you have all this insanity
happening in this country, oh yeah,
we're like the worst of the worst. I
mean, you would have thought we went on
a like a shooting spree and killed a
bunch of people. Um, so it's definitely
a struggle. Um, we're still actively
fighting for justice and uh I don't know
when that's going to come, but
apparently our lives are being played
politics still with the gatekeepers
behind Trump
just like the 250 pardons. Yeah, you can
say that. I don't care.
>> The 250 pardons that were supposed to
happen for Fourth of July.
>> Mhm. Oh, that didn't happen. I'm sure
because the gatekeepers said it's
probably not good optics. Let's get
through the midterms. Well, the same
thing that Trump is against and says
that we are the most harmed Americans
and that we deserve justice and
compensation.
We're still being played with, too.
You're still playing politics. You need
to win the midterms. I promise you,
letting inmates out that deserved second
chances or have the best redemption
stories is what your administration is
built on right now. You're seeing it
with the Bureau of Prisons. You're
seeing it with all of this. So, to me,
it's stand by your word and show that
that's what you stand for rather than,
oh well, let's just see if we win the
midterms cuz God forbid we give somebody
a pardon that the left doesn't like.
Well, I mean, you pardon Larry Hoover,
so I mean, what do you care? You know,
they they [ __ ] on you for a day and then
they'll stop. They'll move on to the
next thing they hate you for.
>> So, I will say, as much as I love Trump
and as much of a supporter I am, I'm
disappointed. I'm disappointed in the
people who are gatekeeping around him
because you had this whole country
excited for 250, which out of 155,000 is
nothing, but that didn't come. Um, so I
just I think it's unfair to play
politics with people's freedom,
especially when they've earned it and
especially when people's paperworks are
wrong or they've they've earned their
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