Are you a headphone guy? No headphone
guy. What's up?
>> No headphones.
>> No headphones. All right. Sounds good.
Yeah, man. I'm excited. Do you have any
questions for me before we start? Just a
MMA fan, bro. That's all it is.
>> I just shoot.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's shoot. I mean, I shoot off the
hips.
>> We're good to go, guys.
>> I like it.
>> You literally do shoot off the hips.
Like you [laughter] your style of
fighting is it?
>> Yeah. No, no pun.
>> Yeah. No. So, I mean, I'm I'm very
grateful to have you here, man. And
you're a vet in the game for real. So,
it's it's an honor to be able to to
speak to you and um I'm excited to start
this podcast, man.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's an honor to be
here, bro. You know, it's the dark side,
you know, right with the dark side.
>> Is that I hear that a lot with the like
the athletes, the guys, they're all from
the dark side. Okay.
>> It's like a Star Wars thing. I think you
>> you like Star Wars.
>> No, but it's my team, you know. It's the
guys, that's what they're doing. You go
with the movement, you know?
>> Right. I feel I feel like fighting it
definitely is kind of like it is one of
those things where it's like my side you
know you grow up with camp or something
like that. You know you're going against
another guy. Um did you always grow up
like that where you felt like you know
you had to defend your side uh when it
comes to things?
>> Uh side maybe your family you know but
I'm always been the guy for good you
know I mean it's either you're you're
you're standing for good you're standing
for bad. And so when I see people doing
wrong I don't always represent that. And
so when I always got in a fight, it was
because of somebody bullying somebody or
something like that, you know, and so I
was always fighting for the good and
that was the side I'm picking. It's the
good side.
>> Okay. I like that. Did you grow up like,
you know, scrapping just just for fun or
you kind of just like what you said,
just defending your the people that you
care for?
>> Sh, bro. I grew up in uh Fontana. Um and
in Fontana it's like 90% Mexican, 8%
black, 2% other, you know? And so the
blacks and Mexicans would have riots and
stuff a lot, you know. But I grew up
with a Mexican family. My girlfriend was
Mexican, but a lot of my homies were
black. And so they have these black and
Mexican riots. Sometimes some of the
Mexican homies would be jealous that I
got like a bad Mexican girl. So they'd
be kind of like mad at me, you know?
They want to fight and [ __ ] Then they
want to jump me, you know, and so it be
like five guys, you know, and they might
all walk up me at one time. I'm like,
I'm back up, you know, get out of there.
But then when I catch you guys by
y'allselves, you know, one by one, I
pick them off. Yeah.
>> I'll be walking somewhere be like, "Oh,
that's such and such right there." And I
run over there like, "Oh, what's up?"
Boom. Boom. You know, like you guys try
to jump me and now you by yourself. You
got to fight, you know? Yeah.
>> And so I had to fight all the time, bro.
All the time.
>> Is that how you developed kind of a
style? I know you grew up wrestling.
Like that was your base, right? Was
being a wrestler. Like did you always
have that striking in your back pocket
like since you were kind of fighting?
>> Uh no I didn't know how to strike but I
knew how to throw them you know I knew
how to throw them you know so I got
understood that part of it but to
understand the fundamentals behind
certain stuff you know and actually
learn striking to its its depth.
>> Yeah. And speaking of like you know
Mexico you you fought in Mexico. You
fought like three times in one night in
Mexico. How would you describe that or
just how you would kickstart your MMA
career?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Coming over Mexico was like
when I was young, I met a girl and she
ended up getting pregnant within a month
and knowing her and so I didn't have a
dad. I'm like, man, I'm scared. I'm
working six days in a warehouse. So on
my seventh day, I would go drive out to
Mexico, do a fight over there. The
homies were doing [ __ ] like that and
they got me into it and they would just
be over there with kind of like party
and [ __ ] you know, go to the clubs and
get tequila put in your mouth and [ __ ]
you know, messing with wild ass girls.
So, it was like one of those type of
things. So, I'm like, man, I go out
there, have fun. I make 850 bucks, you
know, doing the [ __ ] Cool. I take the
money and put it away for my son and
stuff. So, that's just how I kind of got
started through Mexico.
>> Wow. So, you you worked a full-time job.
When did you realize like, yo, this is
raps. Like, when when am I going to, you
know, lock in on this MMA thing?
>> Sheesh. You know, real like,
man, I was still sometimes you see I was
still working like like a few years in
the UFC. I was still working
>> like full-time.
>> Not full-time.
>> Okay. But like I pick up a work a job
and work it
six months, eight months, you know what
I mean? Type of thing, you know, and
pick up fights when I can and do stuff
like that. I just wasn't sure. Like some
people say these things are in career in
careers, you know, and I had my doubts
and I was going through my ups and downs
and fighting and so I'm like, man, maybe
I should go be an electrician. So, I
went to school for electrician and then
uh I graduated, did all that stuff. So,
I got a job and start working there, but
fighting took back off again.
>> I feel like fighting is just such a
weird thing, right? Cuz you're you're
always on you're fighting on short
notice. You never know what to expect.
Like, how how do you get used to that
type of of lifestyle? Just being always
being ready to go. Like, I feel like it
takes a different type of person to be
ready for that type of stuff. um
for that. That's for the the person that
does right everything right. He's always
ready. I'm not always ready. You might
get a half ass me that just hey, they
called you on two weeks notice, you
know? And so the most fun is get your
ass [ __ ] ready. Get serious and drop
and go cold turkey and and really put
your head to the grind and eat, sleep,
train until and do the best you can. But
I've never been the guy that's always
ready. is just, hey, they caught me when
you called me. You caught me when you
caught me.
>> Is there anything that sticks out where
you definitely felt like you weren't
ready, but you still showed up? Is there
any fights in particular that were like
this?
>> Uh, the Islam fight, you know, I felt
like that where I had to fight I fought
Nazerat and then I'm fighting Islam 10
days later. So, that one was rough, you
know, where my hands were still swollen
and stuff and and the ups and downs of
Excuse me.
>> You good? the ups and downs of of of
fighting where you have this roller
coaster. Then you finally think you're
going to decompress and realize then
it's like no get back up and you're like
try to get back up, you know, and it's a
lot of stuff like that. So little things
like that.
>> How does it feel like in between rounds?
I feel like that's that's exactly
probably how it feels. You know, you're
up, you feel good, you probably won a
round or if you're down, like how does
it feel
>> in between a round?
>> Yeah, in between a round. in between
rounds that feels different like in
between the round
um there's so many things that you could
be working on
and what I mean by that is one the
camera's right there.
>> Yeah, it's right there.
>> Especially if you were the guy that's
got a gash across your head, you know,
now they're looking in there and seeing
the guy go to work on you and they want
to see all this stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> But you look up and you see it too where
you're like, "Holy [ __ ] I look like
that." you know, you see a dude like oh,
[laughter]
you know,
and so
not to freak out now. And so being
relaxed under the cameras while they're
in front of you, but at the same time,
you're trying to breathe, but you don't
want to be like, [gasps]
you know, when you're tired like that,
you got to be like, you know, cool and
calm because you're so you're trying to
play front, but at the same time, pay
your coach and getting the instructions
of what he's saying. Um, and also at the
same time there's a guy across the cage
and you don't know but he's watching you
too and he's looking at you to see if he
could see that hole where you just make
him one moment where you go, "Oh, he's
tired." You know, just saw that little
moment he go and now he feels a little
bit more confident about you, you know,
or you got off the stool a little bit
too slow, you know? Um, and so all these
things that you're you're transpiring in
the corner. There's so much going on, a
lot of a lot of inputs. And I feel like
that's something I was always curious as
a fan. You're like, what what are they
thinking? Like what's going on inside
their heads? I mean, some people it
looks like they're not even there. Like
mentally, it looks like they're
somewhere else. And it's like I wonder
what it's like to be able to I don't
know to to feel that way. It feels like
sometimes like
>> somebody like then got their ass
whooped, they come back and they're just
not there because they're just like I'm
exhausted. The brain doesn't work so
well being exhausted, you know? And so
you're going through this thought
process like what is happening or what's
going on? I'm trying this but this isn't
working and and so now they're just kind
of gone and their coach is yelling at
them too, you know.
>> Yeah. And a lot of questions that I
wanted to ask were kind of just like I
wanted the intention to be like if there
any other upand cominging fighters are
are listening just like to learn a few
things. You know, I feel like you've
been in the game for so long and a lot a
lot of these guys are here and they're
out there. you know, they fight once or
twice throughout the UFC. You've, you
know, you've fought so many times. So,
>> 13 years, I think.
>> Yeah. So, um, is there anything that
sticks out to like, you know, you wish
that you would have, you know, maybe
gave advice to yourself or to these
younger guys out here of like what to do
when it comes to, you know, this whole
thing of be being a fighter?
>> Being a fighter.
um
that I would give my younger self.
>> Yeah. Like advice you would be like you
would you would it would save time,
energy, frustration, money, things that
you know would help you know the
younger.
>> Same thing I tell I would say that my
dad told me
um my dad said this. He said, "It's not
about what you do in the cage.
It's about what you do outside of the
cage." And what he meant by that is it's
all the distractions that come with it.
Are you going and all the choices you
make, you know? Are you going to go hang
out with these guys and they're going to
do drugs? Are you going to hang out with
these [clears throat] girls and get
[ __ ] up? Are you going to go hang out
and do this or versus do this? You know,
and all these choices you said like he's
like, "You're going to do your thing in
the cage. I'm just worried about you
making decisions outside of it and what
that brings from you. Now, now I got I'm
fighting with a girlfriend and next you
know it's messing up my practice is
messing up all the things I need to be
working on. And so I would tell the
fighter be careful of what's outside of
it. You know, make sure that you keep
those things maintained because every
fighter [clears throat] gets problems,
brother. Every fighter gets problems.
Like, and I feel like it's the
difference that makes the difference
between the two, between guys are going
to make it and guys aren't is the
difference is we're both want to be
fighters right now, right? But
my mom dies,
when she dies, I'm heartbroken, you
know, and I want to quit, but I got to
fight also too at the same time. I got a
fight coming in. My mom dies. It's a
very hard thing to do, but
nothing comes before the show. Nothing
comes before the war. You know what I
mean? War comes first. And and that's
why you provide and you're a provider
first. And so now the other guy, you you
got a problem. Your dad dies. All of a
sudden, you start getting hit with these
hardships. It seems like it's weird way
fighting comes. You get a fight and then
something dramatic comes like this.
>> Yeah.
>> And most of the people go, "Oh, I can't
do it. I got this going. I got this
going. I can't do it." and they don't
ever take it, you know, and they never
jump on the opportunity, you know,
instead. And so what I'm saying is
that's the outside stuff, but you got to
be able to deal with the outside stuff
while you still do your job. But there's
so many stuff I see all my homies like,
for instance, like last time my buddy
was helping me and he's just so
motivated, was really in it, and he has
this little bike outside the gym.
somebody stole it,
>> you know. And so I'm telling him like,
listen, somebody just stole your bike,
you know, like it's the devil trying to
break you.
>> Here comes the hardships. As you trying
to get closer to it, here comes the
hardships. And now he can go, "Fuck, I
don't have a bike to get here anymore.
I'm just going to quit training and quit
getting ready for my fight. I'mma quit."
I'm like, "Well, that's your test now.
Is you're going to quit?" That's what
I'm talking about. The hardships that
come outside the ring and are you going
to let them break you or not? Yeah, it
reminds me of like the Tom and Jerry
stuff you post like the about like the
devil breaking you and stuff. I really I
don't know. I when I see your stories, I
think it's like I don't know. There's a
lot of truth to it even though it's kind
of funny, you know, the Tom and Jerry
cartoons and stuff like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But [laughter]
>> I think he looks kind of cool. Like man,
[ __ ] it. Put Tom up there.
>> I don't know why it keeps coming to my
feed.
>> Did Did you grow up a lot like with uh
you know watching a lot of cartoons and
movies and stuff like that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> What were kind of like your favorites?
Hm. I'm a big Dragon Ball Z fan. That's
number one.
>> Wow. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um
Spongebob,
you know, [ __ ] Sim Sims, Family Guy.
Uh
if you want to go like way back in the
days like that, like [ __ ] Anime
Maniac used to be back. I remember when
you had Channel 5 and they used to come
with some [ __ ] like that. The WB way
back in the days when the Maranes and
[ __ ] like that. So [ __ ] like that. I've
watched all kind of stuff, you know,
like that's where you learn where the
temperature of the world is, who's
watching what, you know?
>> Yeah. And I I feel like there's a lot of
like things that we pick up on. I mean,
you know, it's programming watch as a
kid. We watch the same stuff. They have
like the same type of uh
>> you know um jokes, you know, pick up on
certain cues and stuff. I just feel like
it's
>> it's crazy you say that. My favorite
show, like you said, Dragon Ball Z, and
they're trying to be the best fighters
in the world in this show, and here it
is. I'm trying to be the best fighter in
the world in real life. Yeah. I mean,
crazy that you say it's programming.
>> Yeah. Programming. And like I feel like
you are a true showman in the cage and
even on the podcast, you know, you're
able to, you know, show your personality
and have these takes and a lot of
people, uh, you know, really love your
authenticity. Uh when when did you
realize like you know it's more about
the show rather than kind of just like
you know I wouldn't say the martial arts
but just winning in general just like
you know having the out there.
>> When did I realize that? That's a good
question. When did I realize that?
I think there was somewhere around the
time I don't I don't know exactly but if
I could guess maybe uh I felt like there
was around a certain point in time where
maybe I took a loss or two
and it's not that I really lost loss
like may I got robbed one time I
probably got robbed twice in a row and I
felt like I was broken you know and I'm
like they're getting getting ready to
get rid of me and
the next fight I come I score a fight of
the night they're like man resign find
that guy, get him going. I'm like, man,
I think they like that. And maybe if I
do more of that, you know, that makes
you more more marketable. I felt like
they're like, "Yeah, yeah, they like
that." So now you just kind of like it's
kind of like you're playing an audience
and you play the audience, you go and
again they and they're going to talk
back to you and tell you what they like
and they tell you what they don't. They
start booing, you got a problem. They
start cheering, we're on to we're on to
something. You're getting warmer, you
know.
>> Okay. I like that. I mean the maybe a
lot of people just see you for your
fight style and they see you know I
wouldn't say a character cuz it's real
like the violence is real but you know
seeing the kind of the show instead of
like the the fighter you know.
>> Yeah.
>> What how are you able to kind of break
the the two off from just being you know
a showman and actually yourself?
>> You you you have to stand out brother.
You have to stand out. You know, we're
in this business where if you don't make
your own wave, you'll just go, you're
part of UFC wave, you know, and I'm
trying to make my own wave where like
some people I think hate it with Nate
Diaz because Nate Diaz is built on his
own program now where he's doing his own
thing. He's built his own wave where
yeah, you were a UFC fighter, but now
he's kind of bigger the program. He's
kind of making more money than the title
guys champ's going to make. You know
what I'm saying? And so he made his own
wave. And so sometimes you got to be
able to stand out and figure that part
out of fighting, you know.
>> And so I create this crazy style
because I just wanted to separate myself
from everyone else, you know? Secondly,
I'm a black man, you know, a black man
where like most times, bro, we have our
cultures that back us up. And if you
were a fighter, all your cousins would
come, all your people would come, but
not all of my people, you know? And it's
just like, well, they don't I can't do
it. the money. I got this going on. And
and so we don't have the same support as
as black Americans as all the other uh
countries or or nationalities. And so I
have to now work twice as hard and make
myself stand out more be where at least
he we got to see what he doing because
you're going because your cousin's
fighting and you're supporting him. You
don't really know MMA so well, but
because of him, you're going to support
it. But now from that show, I've grabbed
people were like, "Now I made you a UFC
fan. You didn't even know who I was. You
had no idea I was on the card." But you
were like, "Hey, bro. We ran into like
it happens all the time." They go, "Hey,
you're that one guy." And you're like,
"Listen, bro. I don't even know who you
are, but for some reason your fight
stood out more than everybody's. You got
something." Oh, interesting. They're
catching on. Just keep it going.
>> Gotcha. And I think the the biggest
thing that I personally am more most
curious about is how people treat you
after a win or a loss. Like what what do
you what do you notice differently from
people? Um
>> Franny got a meme. He's like when you
win a fight, you come in the gym,
everybody's like, "Yeah, yeah." You
know, he's touching hands. They like
when you lose a fight, he's scared to
look around the corner. He comes looking
around see if anybody's in the gym like
oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] people in the gym
comes in with his head down like
everybody's like good like you're you
know no it's okay no just leave me alone
you know like feelings is hurt you feel
like a loser you know
>> and so when I won I come out I get my
drop top I put my little drop top Range
Rover down [ __ ] just drive through
the city and I'm the man for a day and
it's just like I'm driving around I'm
just in my own world I'm happy and I'm
content you know but then you lose
Yeah, put that goddamn top back up.
[laughter]
>> You know, put that top back up. You
don't want to be seen.
>> You don't want to be heard from for a
minute. You know, you're tired of
everybody asking you the outcome who
didn't see the fight. They're like, "So,
how'd it go?" Like, "Oh, I lost." Oh, I
got knocked out. You're like,
>> "Oh, fuck." You know, like, "Damn." And
so I've had some friends even like some
friends where you've been touched the
the big dog so big that like they almost
want to see your downfall. So when you
fall they get to tell you like I told
you so type of thing but it's like so
when I lost to Patty and our friends
came over and he was living with me but
then he kind we kind of got into it and
he started living on his own. So now
this is his moment, you know. And so
he's like like he comes over to see me
and he says something and I'm just like
and somewhere went to where he's just
like and that's why Patty beat you, you
know,
>> snuck it in there.
>> And it's like this is your homie and
kicking you while you're down, you know?
It's sometimes it's that way, but that's
part of the loser [ __ ] you know? And
some of my homies said it all the time
to me, you know. That's why this person
or Dustin, you know, and this and this,
you know, they say this stuff. They
don't realize it's your work and it's
your
it's your life, it's your feelings, it's
it's all of it, but it come with this
[ __ ] and so you got to accept it.
>> And is there anything that you learned
from like you know a few of the losses
early on in your career and how you
handle them to be able to bounce back
cuz now you're on a threeight win streak
you know something do you feel like
something has to change immediately
after a loss something different or do
you have to stay true or trust the
process?
>> Um if I was talking to a fighter
>> Yeah. that were listening. I would tell
them, "Yes, something has to change his
life." For me personally, like whenever
I lost, like when I lost a dober, I
literally left
was going back to the
home to the hotel and I'm already on the
face on in Instagram calling Aunt Dana
and telling I need to get back in there,
you know, and show this is who I am, you
know. Um, at the end of the day, skills
pay the bills.
>> It's your skills. If you really have the
skills, who's going to be here has the
skills and who doesn't isn't going to be
here, you know? And there are some s
there are some such things as luck.
There are some such things as a hell
Mary, you know? Somebody just throws the
[ __ ] ball up and [ __ ] caught it.
Sometimes it just Oh, boom. Oh, [ __ ]
You ran right into it at the wrong time.
You zigged, he zagged. Sometimes it
happens that way. And so, but the skills
will always come to the top, you know,
over time. And so, if you're truly a
winner, you'll be a winner. If you're
truly a loser, you'll be a loser.
>> Is it around the the people you hang
around too that you know influence you?
Do you feel like that plays a big role?
>> No, because the people I hang around
with
have always been the people they've
always been. You know, this is something
that they watching me and and and it's
just making more sense to them now. I
was crazy when I was younger, but when I
was younger, I was saying the same
things. Like when I was like 18, I was
telling them like, "Man, we going to run
[ __ ] bro. We going to own [ __ ] We
going to do [ __ ] We going to be kings.
We going to be like this and we going to
be like this." And like they look at me
like I'm crazy, you know? And it's not I
had no idea about I was going to be a
UFC fighter and doing all this [ __ ] I
just knew I had something special to me
that I wanted to do, you know? That's
it.
>> And I feel like WWE plays like a maybe
like an influence in at least in your
celebration, your walk in, your walk
out. Um, that's one of my favorite parts
of I mean I remember when I was a kid, I
was like watching the UFC. I was like,
man, the walk out seems so cool, you
know? It's like it's like the camera's
on you, but it's not really it's like
just that energy you bring in before a
fight, you know? It's like, oh, that guy
got some swag to him, you know? And um,
what kind of influence did, you know,
WWE play um, a role in your kind of
career? for me. Um,
growing up watch, I was a big Ultimate
Warrior fan and then Stone Code Steve
Austin and Undertaker, then, you know,
The Rock and and so on. And so I've
always watched that stuff and I thought
like this they got they got
entertainment down you know they you see
them fireworks you see the flames you
hear the music drop you see the lights
they just had this thing and you're just
like man I want to be those guys you
know.
>> Yeah.
>> And and so man I want to be those guys.
Um and
when I was about 12 to 13 year olds I
realized this [ __ ] ain't real. You know,
I didn't know it was I thought it was
real. I thought it was real. I'm like,
man, okay, I seen them kind of like
stumped the be like uh so I get that
part, but I'm like, how are they faking
the slams? How are they faking the
chairs? Like they you can't jump off a
off of something and fake it, you know?
Yeah.
>> But then somebody said, "Oh, well, the
chairs are sawdust. I mean, the tables
are sawdust. The chairs are like foil,
aluminum foil and stuff." And so they
create these waves, you know, but
there's still some stuff involved in it.
But the guy's jumping up and then he
knows how to fall down and so there's
theatrics to it. I'm like, "Oh, what the
that's acting, you know? I don't want to
do that anymore. That shit's gay." So, I
stopped watching wrestling. But I
remember how it made me feel. I remember
the the emotions behind it. And I'm
like, if that [ __ ] was real, you got
something, you know? And so, I'm a big
wrestling fan. I'm a big like martial
arts and and and and like movie buff
like where we had Rocky, you had Blood
Sport, you had like John Cam, you had
Antonio Banderas, all these like action
films and tough guys and stuff. And so
then you get little influences from
there, little things like that. So like
for instance, I do the WWF, I do the
spit the water, you know, for the Triple
H. But then like if I'm watching if
you're watching the fight, I'll go like
this. I'll dust my shoulder off like but
that's like from like like Blood Sport.
I remember watching Blood Sport the guy.
What's the bad guys name in that movie?
>> I I never watched it. I remember
see that [ __ ]
>> Some deep ass [ __ ] that you catch. But
>> seen the Bruce Lee like movies but never
never bless. I hear GSP talk about a
lot.
>> And so the big Asian dude in it uh the
guy kicks a man. He's just supposed to
be all tough. He kicks him just like he
just dustes off like [snorts]
>> you know. So I'm like man that'd be dope
if it was real. So I'm taking ideas and
I'm like this is what I would want to
see. This is what I want to do and make
fighting my own way, my own movie, you
know. And that's very hard to do when
it's real.
>> I'm doing it when it's real. It's not
like we're just doing that like cut and
now let me kick you in your face, you
know.
>> It's very hard especially like
>> you know when everything's exposed. It's
just you in there you know no one could
like you know tag you in like a you know
tag team [laughter] or anything like
that. So, it's like um yeah, I feel like
there's there's a lot of similarities
between the WWE. For me personally, like
that's I get the same feelings watching.
It's a different level, but that's kind
of what you know, I had the same type of
experience where I'm like, it's fake.
So, I want to see what's real. And
that's why I I I love talking to you
guys cuz you guys are are real genuine
people who share different sides of you.
And at the at the end of the day, when
you guys fight, you show who you truly
are. And uh I mean that's that's
something that I I noticed.
>> This thing with fighting is just so
crazy, bro. Like it's just it's such a
weird experience to have, you know, and
to go through. It's nuts, bro. Like
there's nothing like it. [snorts]
And you got to enjoy every moment that
you get, you know, this thing like when
I did this stuff with Jason, like me and
Jason were kids when we started this
stuff out. We never imagined we'd be
here.
>> And I met Jason.
>> Yeah. That's a great question. He might
know more than I do. I don't remember
how long. This is so [ __ ] long ago,
bro. Like, okay. I want to say like
started fighting like 21. So, I want to
say like maybe 23,
>> you know what I mean? I want to say like
23. Yeah.
>> And so, we've been together almost 20
years, you know?
>> It's amazing.
>> So, Yeah. Yeah. That's been my guy. We
never imagined we'd be right here. We
kind of so trip out and like where he
was at, he was waiting tables and [ __ ]
you know, and I'm over here [ __ ]
little foster kid and [ __ ] and we
[ __ ] went in and really changed our
our stars, you know, and really changed
our famil family's lives and we really
did it, you know? And so we both look at
it back like, bro, we [ __ ] it up, bro.
This shit's [ __ ] dope.
>> And you're you're still killing it. I
mean, the last fight against Jeremy
Stevens, you know, you get it. You know,
unfortunately didn't get the bonus. I
feel like that was was kind of like
yours there and you got on the mic and
you kind of, you know, repped your your
stuff and I feel like that's I feel like
I don't know. I feel like you definitely
deserve the bonus, especially going out
there and killing it like that. Like,
>> and bonuses are political
>> political now.
>> Like the first last one they were saying
that I got I had my best performance
when I follow Z Huber. Okay.
>> And so I'm like cool. But then they said
they gave it to another girl because she
was from Mexico took a fight on short
notice and so he wanted to give it to
her. So it's like but I'm thinking like
well I thought it's based on
>> the best fights performances you know I
mean on how the fights are going and
what they're putting out for the
company. So that's like weird you know.
And then I don't get the bonus that one.
If you look in the Instagram comments
when they posted that, literally every
person said it. What the kang green all
the way down the feed. I'm like, did you
look at your page? Look at your page,
Yosi. Look at your page. Your own fans
are telling tell you this, you know. So
that's one. And then two, now this next
one I saw get the finish or whatever.
And I'm like, all right, they gave to
Jim Miller and they were like, well, Jim
Miller is dealing with the cancer stuff.
And I don't want to take anything from
gym or anything like that, you know,
like,
>> you know, I feel sorry for the guy, but
I'm more saying for judging upon
fighting how the fights go. Like I was
just looking at his fight compared to
like I don't know. I don't think it was
that good. And so just judging fights
and I don't want to be the big-headed
guy where I feel like I'm being
big-headed. I'm like, but I know fights
and I know that one's better or that
one. I could tell that. And and so I'm
not going to be big-headed, but I'll
call a fight straight down the line
like, "Okay, I could see like like Van
and them winning fight tonight." I could
see it, you know, amazing fight.
>> I could amazing fight. I could see it. I
could see certain fights why, oh, you
can't say anything to this person
winning over you.
>> And the last thing about that, bro, is
everyone got to got to get accolades.
Like certain accolades, look, you want
to feel special at your job, at what you
do. And so maybe for your job is
employee of the month. Maybe it's a
raise. Maybe it's you get some stupid
certificate, you know, you feel like
you're the man, but hey, you put it up
in your office and you're the man. And
so for me, like some guys chase titles.
I didn't want to chase the title thing.
For me, it was more so like uh the
bonuses. The bonuses show that you're
the most exciting fighters on the
planet. And so they hype gate you a Mr.
Highlight reel. They say Michael
Chandler, uh, this guy, you know, he's
amazing. All has all these. I want to be
the same way and I want to be looked at
in the same way. And and and how you can
tell me I'm that way is by awarding me
my awards. So I can say, "Hey guys, I'm
a 14 this like Gi has 14. If I would
have won the last one and won this one,
I got 11." Now I'm in the conversation
at least.
>> I'm in the conversation. Oh, Oliver has
a lot too as well, right?
>> Finishes, you know. But I don't know
about forms, but I don't know. But I
just know I remember them saying 14 for
Gi, and I'm like, "Okay, he's never been
in a boring fight. He's got 14. I need
to be somewhere close to 14." You know
what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> I need to be somewhere close to 14. And
so I'm trying to put these things
together and the organization just
hasn't got it got behind it yet or
it's okay. Okay, cool. And so when I'm
speaking about it, I don't want to sound
like a like a poor like a [ __ ] bitching
and [ __ ] you know, bitching and
nagging. I'm not saying that. I was just
telling Dana, I'm the most exciting.
I've been doing this since the beginning
and this ain't going to change. I'm
going to keep doing this. So if you
ain't going to give me a bonus, watch
this [ __ ] I'll do another one of these
[ __ ] again and see if you play
with me again. Oh yeah? Well, watch this
[ __ ] I'll go back and do another
[ __ ] I'm undeniable. You know
what I mean? I'm undeniable. You You can
keep trying to tell me no. And then
maybe you told me no. And maybe you told
me no. That's twice. Maybe tell me no,
but I'm going to get it in. Watch. And
so you will see me get a bonus soon.
You'll see it. Watch. I won't be denied.
>> Do you call people out when it comes to
fights or you kind of just accept
whatever's cuz I think half of your
fights are short notice. Correct.
>> Yeah. At least half, you know. At least
half are short notice. And so I've
always been the guy, bro, where
I I'm the I'm the help. I'm I'm the
>> clean clean it up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm the help, you know. And
so I got your crumbs. You know, I lived
on your sofas and your couches and where
you guys want me to fill in. I fill in
the shows and stuff. Like for instance,
that's how I really got here was through
Strikeforce.
>> Yeah.
>> Strike Force all my fights for short
notice. And what happened was you and
this guy are supposed to fight each
other and you guys are the two names and
then you're the real name they want to
push. Like you might be Randy Coutur's
son, you know, and then they were
supposed to get a fight and then
>> he gets hurt. So now I'm supposed to
fight and now they're like, "Are you
going to fight Randy?" Well, he pulls
out now once I take the fight, you pull
out now. I said, "Now you pull out. Now
I got to fight a fight for me on two
weeks notice. And I was supposed to be
the person nobody knew and I didn't get
called. And now now I'm looking for a
fight for me." And so I'm fighting this
guy. I [ __ ] fight that time. Then
another time it happened where like I'm
not supposed to be here, you know? Like
I remember Michael Johnson had a pull
out for one fight and I was feeling for
him and I fought uh Josh Thompson and
and I fought Josh Thompson on two weeks
notice and so they still had the poster
with Michael Johnson's name on it and
face on it, you know, and so people were
like trying to get me to sign him, but
I'm like I don't want to sign over
Michael Johnson's face and stuff, you
know? So they didn't have time to change
the preparation. There's been a lot of
those and so they come with this [ __ ]
bro. you know, I'm the help and and and
that's what I would try to tell explain
to my fans is or are two people that's
really trying to make it. I didn't deny
any opportunity.
>> Everybody else said no. They said it's
risky. It's too much. It's not enough.
It's all these different excuses.
>> I never let nothing stop me,
>> right?
>> I took every opportunity to be
successful to make sure that I'm going
to be successful. I noticed on your top
apology that there was like three fights
with George Mos that got cancelled. Is
there any like stories that come out
with that? Cuz I'm like, man, you were
supposed to fight him three times and
>> I don't remember all that. I just know
that we were supposed to fight each
other.
>> Maybe
>> um the winner was [clears throat]
supposed to fight for the Strikeforce
belt.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I just was going to fight Gilbert for
the belt.
>> Strike Force. You were uh four and one,
right? On the Strike Force.
>> Yeah. So, the one was I fought on short
notice. Jay-Z Kavakante who was the [ __ ]
back at the time. I fought on sure
noticed and then they robbed me in that
in a stupid decision. But again, I'm not
nobody and they don't want me to come in
and just beat this Jay-Z guy who has all
of Japan and Brazil behind them. And so
it's just a lot of situations like to
where I'm just to help. And so I went
in, I filled in and I filled in, I
filled in. I wasn't the guy. And then
the UFC get Strikeforce gets bought out.
Now they bring me into fighting. They
want me to fight. Uh um at the time they
had a guy named Jacob Vulman and nobody
could beat Jacob Vulman.
>> He was a grappler, right?
>> He was a grappler. I think he's like 70
and 08 and0 streak, you know, just going
through people. Nobody could beat him
and he kept disrespecting the president.
So it was a bad look, you know, and the
UFC just didn't like that. So but they
couldn't get him over to beat him.
>> And so I believe the matchmaker Sean
Strick Sean Shelby was like, I got
somebody that can beat him. you know,
like this one kid, you know, he can
fight wrestlers, then he can fight
strikers, you know, and so they sick me
on him and I end up pulling a fight at a
night out and and and that's how I got
on there. But
>> I just watched that fight. I just
watched it and it was like they
he had he had good wrestling, right? But
he didn't really play from bottom too
much, right? And that second round you
were able to get on top, but the ref
stood you up.
>> Yeah. Twice.
>> Like how do you deal with those hitting
them and hitting them? You know what I
mean? It's like it's so hard to take the
[ __ ] down and finally I get the take
down. I'm working him. Y'all stand me
back up and it's like, man. But I'm
like, bro, I can scrap I'm scrap him and
I can wrestle. So take him back down
again, you know.
>> Mhm. And you end up getting the win out.
>> Yeah. And I I feel like your style gets
a lot like a lot of people talk about
your style, right? You know, you got to
keep your hands up. Of course, you know,
if if things don't go your way, that's
what they blame it on. But where do you
feel like that style originated from and
like how you're able to kind of master
that? It kind of reminds me of like um
like like uh Mortal Kombat and it's like
Boracho like he has like his own type of
style and this is this is your style and
it it works good for you. So like when
when did you realize like yo this this
could be something where I could I I
have like a ace up my sleeve with this
instead of kind of you know um you know
people saying that hands are down and
stuff like that
>> or it being just like everyone else.
>> Yeah. Being like everyone else. Um, I
think it's just my need to be different,
you know, for one. But this was
something that was built in me since the
beginning, you know, since the
beginning, I've been always kind of
fighting similar
ways. Um, like for me for instance, like
when you plug into YouTube and you plug
in fights,
what pops up on that YouTube screen is
going to be probably some
YouTube video, somebody fighting in the
backyard, somebody fighting on the
street somewhere, you know, and you see
guy like uh uh uh what's up? What's up?
Boom, boom, boom. you know, and so I
want to still create that element too to
the fight where it's like you want to
still see in YouTube, but I try to get
to the like some of the wrestler guy,
Russian guy, like those guys that
grapple like that. I go, "Hey, if I
punch in YouTube, I wouldn't find that."
You know what I mean? No,
>> that wouldn't and I wouldn't want to
watch that guy. I would click off of it.
You know what I'm saying? And so that
was part of it, too. You know, it's just
that's what you wanted to see. That's
what I'm trying to make just because
it's what I saw in the streets, too. I
saw it in the streets. I saw it on
YouTube, but excuse me. That's what
everything looked like, fighting looked
like to me. I saw, oh yeah, guys, you're
getting each other in face and you get
off me. You know what? Same type of
thing, you know? And so bringing that
street element to so guys can still
connect to it like from back home and
still feel like, oh, they was that was a
real fight. It wasn't like, oh, touch,
what's up, bro? you know, be cool. Like,
no, come here. What's up? Ping. Oh, [ __ ]
you. You're a [ __ ] You know, like, oh,
what the, you know, I like this [ __ ]
>> Yeah. And you feel like you're really
good at that kind of mental warfare. I
think Mighty Mouse was breaking down
kind of your style. You talking talking
smack is like really part of like your
skill set, I would say. Like, do you
have you noticed people break down from
what kind of when you're talking to
them? I know Nick and Nate Diaz kind of
also did a similar thing, but um is that
like a skill someone could build? Like
if they if that's really their
personality. [snorts]
>> Um
you say [ __ ] talking. I don't believe in
[ __ ] talking. What I'm doing is I'm just
having a conversation with you. And as I
conversate with you, the things I say to
you, you will have a reaction to
>> and what you tell me from your reactions
will tell me how I going to take this
conversation, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Like if I called you a [ __ ] right now,
>> it has a certain reaction to you, you
know?
>> Yeah.
>> And when I'm really mean and I'm
disrespectful to you, your eyes might go
and you might go, "What the?" You you
have a reaction to it.
>> Yeah.
>> Is it confusion? Is it anger? And now I
see these emotions that you're giving me
and how do I play off of your emotions
now? Oh, so you're just an angry. You
pull the angry card. Oh, I'm going to
make you really angry then. You know,
>> if that gets you angry, you're going to
get really angry. You're going to be
frustrated. M.
>> But then if say you're not bothered by
those things, then it's a it's just a
conversation and I'm I'm just more so
vibing with you and I'm following you
and in there and trust me, you're going
to tell me something. You know, you're
going to tell me something.
>> Just in in the way that things are
going, the words are being said to you,
you're going to have a reaction and then
it tells me something.
>> I don't think people think you're you're
smart, but you really are. Like the the
way you break down things and just have
it like a deeper level. I feel like the
outside maybe outside looking in people
are just like, "Oh, he's just a flashy
guy who just talks a lot of shit." Like
>> cocky, arrogant. Yeah, I got that a lot.
You know, they call me a big mouth. They
they said I talked a lot. They said I
need to shut up, you know. And it's like
at that time when I was going through
those trying to build this thing and
everybody was kicking me down.
>> I went through two retirements where I'm
like, man, [ __ ] this [ __ ] I'm out of
here. [ __ ] you guys. You guys don't get
it. I'm trying to entertain you guys.
Now I'm [ __ ] getting old. I'm like,
and now they finally like this [ __ ]
It's like, but like you said, they used
to call me big mouth and [ __ ] like that,
bro. They say I used to hit, they say I
hit more. I mean, I talk more than I
hit, you know? But I have the the the
division's record for the most amount of
strikes. So, I'm talking a lot, but I'm
fighting a lot. But I also got the most
defense, too.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, so how could you be fighting
the most? Because fighting and getting
into a fight is very hard to not get
hit. Because if you're fighting the
most, then that means you got to be
getting hit, too. So, to have the a
lower defense, too, is very hard to do.
You know what I'm saying?
>> For sure. And with, you know, being a
veteran, um, I think a lot of people
start thinking about brain damage over
time. You know, is that something that
you knew right away that you can't if
you want to be in here for a long time,
you can't be getting hit? Is that
>> sport is Yeah. the the the the trick of
the game is to hit, not get hit, you
know? And people, until you've been
knocked out and stuff, just like But me
like I really just kind of got caught,
you know, like dipping under punch and
guy caught me right on the back of the
head. Oh, out. Ah.
>> Do you just wake up and just like it's
over? Like how is that like
>> Oh man,
it's horrible. It's like a bad dream,
you know?
>> Oh my god. Yeah.
>> You just you just wake up and you're
there and the lights YOU'RE LIKE, "OH
FUCK." YOU KNOW, you start realizing
right when you see the lights, you know,
you don't recognize these lights. These
ain't your bedroom lights. You know,
you're like, "OH, [ __ ] NO,
it's your nightmare." You know, you just
woke up from your nightmare like there's
no way that [ __ ] just [ __ ] happened.
I know that didn't happen, but I was
winning.
[ __ ]
>> Do you remember like the seconds before
or do you kind of does the whole thing
kind of just like delete like from like
a movie? Um, it depends on how bad you
hurt, I believe. You know, how bad you
hurt.
>> Mhm.
>> Is it a flash knockout or is you got
concussion and you can't remember, you
know, and you're getting there like
where you like you're I've seen people
be on a on a on like a a repeating
record. They'll go, "Hey, what
happened?" You're like, "Bro, he [ __ ]
dipped and he caught you with a right
hand, you know?" Yeah. And then I
[ __ ] knocked out. He's like, "Yeah."
Like, "Okay." He be like, "Hey, bro, but
what happened though?" You know, and you
be like, "Bro, I'm just saying like he
was trying to you was trying to sit sit
up. He was trying to go from stuff, but
you didn't even see it in time and he
just dipped and caught you with a right
hand." Yeah. Yeah, bro. And then he
[ __ ] just You just And I landed like
hell. Oh, yeah. He just land on your
face. You're like, "Yeah, okay, cool."
>> Yeah, bro. But what happened? You're
like, "Bro, I just told you he got
concussion, you know. He's [ __ ] up,
you know." And so I've been on both ends
where I don't remember exactly what
happened. I was [ __ ] you up, you
know. I just, oh [ __ ] he just caught me
somewhere, you know.
>> Yeah. The what what are your thoughts on
like what happened with Yuri and Bberg?
Like once you saw that, you know, with
the, you know, heard hurt his knee and
Yuri's kind of do you believe in that he
was like showing mercy during the fight
as a fighter, you know, I don't know if
you watched it live or not, but what
what was your your opinion on that? Um,
I don't have too much of opinion because
I didn't watch it in full detail to have
a full opinion,
>> but I saw like a little bit clips of it.
It looked like he did show mercy, you
know, cuz my thing is this is like
say something dirty happens. Say I poke
you in your eye.
Now the ref doesn't catch it. I got the
responsibility where you're like, "Oh,
you're kind of [ __ ] up now. I could
take advantage of that [ __ ] He's not
seeing I just run over there and start
[ __ ] attacking you and try to get the
fight over with, you know, but me
personally, I will want to earn it, you
know? I don't want to beat you cheating.
Even though the money's on the line and
all that [ __ ] I don't feel right
cheating. Like, I feel weird like, nah,
now you didn't really win that [ __ ] you
know? I want to really win. I don't want
nothing given to me. I earned my [ __ ]
win." And so I would stop right then and
go, "Nah, bro. My bad. Nah, I'll stop
and leave. Let you get your [ __ ]
together. Let you get back and you
straight." You could. All right. Now,
I'll start back again because I don't
want to cheat.
>> I think it's different though with a a
knee injury, though, right? It's like
the eye maybe have some space, but like
their knees cooked. Like, what what what
can you do there?
>> Well, what but what I'm saying is all
right, [clears throat] he is cooked,
right?
>> Mhm.
>> Now, in that, I'm like, "Oh, you
straight. I get back off of you." Or I
could have just went in and finished
you. So he showed him that respect, let
him get off, then he came in, pop. Oh
[ __ ]
>> I was so heartbroken. I was so
heartbroken watching that fight, man.
The emotions that the UFC pulls pulls
out of you is like nothing else.
>> So you're So you're a Yuri fan?
>> Yuri fan, Charles fan, like to the core.
So seeing when Charles went against
Ilia,
>> I was like I couldn't even sleep. I was
like, what what's going on, bro? Like
did that really just happen? Ilia just
knocked his ass out
>> and I'm like, bro, no way Charles just
>> nasty knockout.
>> That was that was bad.
>> I mean,
>> and I'm wondering [clears throat]
if it changed Charles
>> because after that fight, wasn't that
the next fight? Yeah.
>> Was that the next fight?
>> Max Max after
>> that was next.
>> Yeah,
>> that was Gamero.
>> Oh, it was Gamero. He sub he saw he
subbed Gameam. He choked naked choking.
>> I remember seeing the Game fight. But
>> Mhm.
>> He ain't he he looked gunshy to me. He
look gunshy where him and Max will start
a little bit and uh uh you know he look
gunshy where I've been put to that
canvas and I've seen man get put to that
canvas and when he come back they not
the same. It changed you. So Rashad
Evans when I at the time was when I like
I looked up to Rashad. Rashad was the
[ __ ] and I'm like he a black man like me
I'm [ __ ] with Rashad you know. But
then just as I started becoming a real
fan of him, he got slept by Leoto
>> Machita.
>> Yeah. After he got slept, he never
fought like that again where he never
was like trying to strike like that. He
was trying to rush in. I'm like, man,
when did he become this guy? It's gay,
you know? And so, no disrespect to my
boy like Rashad, but it's just like he
changed his style and he he left it
behind. You know what I mean? I don't
want to change in my public, you know?
This is the way I'm going down. I'm
going to start this way. I'm going to
finish this way. It's like they're like,
"Why did he pick his hands up?" He got
knocked up. Pick his hands up. I'm like,
"No, I'm not changing because of you
guys that." Not that I'm like, "Yes, I'm
hardheaded." But I don't want to be the
point where
you're a [ __ ] bro. That's what it
basically boils down to where you
pussied out or you let it you conformed,
you know, where now you're like, "I'm
not doing no more stand up." You know,
that's where Michelle kind of got to
where like, I'm not doing no more. What?
Like what if like you had boxers that
was saying, "We're not box. We're just
gonna hug each other." You be like,
"Bro, I'm not watching your fights
anymore." That would be weird if if you
just went there and just hugged and
hugged and hugged. I'm not watching your
fights. So, you have to make a conscious
decision as a fighter. No, I'm not going
to change because these things I got an
audience that expects certain things out
of me.
>> Mhm. And did you do you remember that
moment the first time you came back and
maybe those questions came up to mind
because I like I think about like maybe
before you get ready for a fight, you
know, in the rooms getting ready. Um how
would you describe those type of feeling
especially if you just come off a loss
and stuff like that? Like what kind of
things are coming into your mind that
are kind of playing tricks on you before
you get out there?
>> Interesting. Interesting.
[snorts]
>> You ready for this one?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Nothing.
Because whatever happens in the past
happens in the past, you know, and if
you're focused on the past, you're not
focused on the future, you know? And so
if I keep looking at, oh man, I got
knocked out. Like, yeah, learn from your
mistakes in the past. Learn, but don't
dwell, you know, dwelling and I keep
looking back there. You look, keep
looking back, you're gonna crash. But
I'm so looking at forward that none of
this [ __ ] happened matters. I'm so busy
making new memories. Like I'm not a
picture photo guy. Like I need a memory
for a photo. I'm too busy making new
memories that like that's old.
>> What if you just make a new movie
though? It's like a that was a cool
movie. You got to be able to look back
and do you think do you feel that way
too with the positive stuff or just you
know if it's a lesson you kind of just
move past it?
>> Positive too it all it's all in the past
because
these things that are happening to us
can also shape our our
personalities. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> It can make you more docile, more
aggressive, you know, and blah blah
blah. And so if I'm a lo if I'm a loser
and I still feel like I'm a loser
because I was a loser yesterday, I might
wake up today and feel like a loser. You
know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> But it happened that was I was a loser
that day.
>> You know what I mean?
>> And today I'm I'm focused on winning.
>> I'm not a loser today. And so those
things in my mindset is just like
anything that happens in the past, focus
on the future. It rinse, repeat, or wash
it off it. That's it's all for you. You
got to you got new you got new ways to
grow. You got new things to learn. Keep
growing and keep being at a uh growing
as a person and learning versus dwelling
in the past. And during a fight, are you
able to still have that same presence
instead of say if you just, you know,
you you got clipped, maybe you got get
hit with the right hand and just trying
to focus on the next thing. Like how are
you able to, you know, cuz I feel like
the energy in the crowd, you know,
people react based off the emotion. So,
how are you able to stay present in that
and still find your groove? Is there any
like fights that you remember in
particular where you're like, I still
have a chance. I still could pull
something off and you did like what what
kind what comes to mind?
>> H
[snorts]
that's just never quitting you, you
know, like so you're down around you got
to pull some [ __ ] out, you know?
Like I fought fe and then they end up
giving us like a split draw and gave it
to him and it's like I mixed his ass but
I first round I kind of gave him the
first round kind of like just filling
him out some and just taking it easy but
then I'm like I know the person I am
here come the second and third round I'm
going to pick it up now. I was just kind
of like playing a little too much that
first round. Um [clears throat]
wait what was your question again? like
being present like maybe having those
type of thoughts maybe in the past like
how are you able to just lock back in be
like yo this is like I'mma change this
how the trajection of the
>> um either I'm really crazy I'm really
strong bro I I can't I don't know but
>> I'm just that person life has built me
this way
>> through all the struggles and stuff that
you're not a I'm not afforded to
sometimes even
afforded to hurt or afforded to to
analyze
because like say you did some [ __ ] right
and you feel good about it like you just
built the leaning towers you know you
like I did that you know but your mom's
and your Mexican family is dying right
now
>> you going to sit there and enjoy that or
you going to go over there and you make
sure you go do that now you're you're
involved in that you know what I mean
and so I have so many things going on
that I really don't even get time to
unplug or detach or or some [ __ ] like
that, you know.
>> Mhm. And you do have other ventures,
right? Like you have uh strip club, like
you have other businesses like do you do
you feel like as a fighter you got to
have some other types of uh sources of
income to be able to kind of live a
lifestyle that that you want to live?
Um,
I don't want to answer it the way I want
to answer it because that's a little too
crazy.
>> Okay. [laughter]
>> Could say it a different way if you
want. But I just like I feel like a lot
of these guys like are starting to
notice the social media and like yo I
see you out there in the Jackson
podcast. you're out here again with
Dominic Cruz and you're getting your
name out there and I feel like that side
of things are just, you know, open up a
lot of opportunities to different, not
just fighting.
>> Yeah. Different avenues. Yeah.
>> Um and yeah, you want to do those type
of things. Um I feel like it's uh Dana
White said it's like this isn't a
career. The average guy's here two
years, four years tops, you know. That's
the average career in the UFC, two,
three years, you know. And so get what
you can while you're here and get out,
you know. But that's why I would say
like a person first come here, make sure
I tell them make sure you put the money
down and first thing on the house, you
know, get the house ballot down. Now, if
even if you become a regular person, you
got the down payment for the house taken
care of and now you can go be normal and
work a normal job and try to keep your
mortgage, you know, but like in terms of
my businesses, like I got the strip club
going. I do like real estate. I got like
eight homes in real estate right now
that I'm working with. Uh I got uh my
own collagen drink that I'm working on.
It's called DNA um Hydro DNA.
>> Okay.
>> Um I got shirts that I'm pushing. I got
products that I'm advertising, you know,
like this here, Stealthy. They pay me to
promote their vapes and stuff. And so
[snorts] that I'm pushing my kids. I got
so many things that I'm going to push
and work this and work this and work
this, you know? You need all these
different avenues to
cuz you never know when this thing is
going to end, brother. You never know.
Tomorrow you could blow your knee out.
You know, you could just twist it. No.
Everything that we thought was going
this way just took a halt and it's over,
you know? And so I'm investing
[clears throat] in homes. I'm investing
in businesses. I'm trying to get my tire
shop going. I'm trying to get, you know,
can we build a tobacco shop? Can we do a
this and that? I'm trying to get
everything I possibly can going, you
know?
>> Yeah.
>> Because I'm almost 40 years old. Who
knows when the trip's going to end. I
don't plan on it ending soon, but who
knows how long this body will last, you
know?
>> Yeah. I mean, it seems like you're aging
in reverse, man. just the way the way I
I saw that first fight you had in the
UFC and honestly your body doesn't look
that different from where we saw the
last fight like how are you able to keep
that shape and I know you like smoking
and stuff like that too I know probably
people think that you know affects your
cardio and stuff but like what what do
you feel like is the main thing that's
helped you you know stay healthy
throughout all these years. [sighs]
>> Um I'm a health freak too. I say I eat
fat and I'm a fat guy, but I'm very
conscious of like health stuff. Like I
always watch all kind of like
YouTubetubes and [ __ ] on stupid [ __ ] So
>> Santa Cruz, you you watch Santa Cruz
medicinals?
>> No. No.
>> No. He's health. He's kind of like a
health guy.
>> No, I'm going to check him out.
>> Yeah, check him out.
>> You ever heard of Dr. Eric Berg?
>> No. No.
>> And so he'll go like, "Hey, this is the
reason you're having trouble sleeping
cuz you're not taking magnesium." M you
know but then don't mix magnesium with
melatonin. They don't go together or
certain stuff like this. So you start
learning all these vitamins got to be
taken separate from these vitamins.
>> I've heard of Dr. Sebie. You heard of
Dr. Sebie before?
>> Yeah. Yeah. But you see Dave Dave
Chappelle's uh standup. He talked about
Dr. Sebie.
>> Oh no, I haven't seen that. No.
>> They talked about Dr. Sebie in it and
he's saying that Dr. Sebie said he
cleared AIDS and then all of a sudden he
gave Dave got a guy brought and paid Dr.
and stuff and the guy died. So, it's
like,
[laughter]
but at the same time, he is on some
things, the herbs and stuff. That's what
I'm big on is herbs and stuff.
Understand? Like things like garlic, uh,
apple cider vinegar, uh, olive oil,
these things are really high in
antioxidants, high in anti-inflammatory
properties and stuff like that. And so,
I've always been stuff like that. Fish
oils are super big, you know, huge. Uh,
and then what to mix stuff where people
taking vitamin D but maybe they're not
taking them with vitamin K and so little
things like that. So I'm always like a
health guy like that.
>> I buy some supplements for you, man.
>> Huh?
>> If you had your own supplement brand, I
King Green subs [laughter]
>> and so I've been learning about stuff
like that and that's what keeps me
healthy in those type of ways. But I'm a
complete fat ass. Like I'm a foodie. I
eat so so much and I get fat. But when
it's time to get serious, I'm on my
apple cider vinegar. I'm on my olive
oil. I'm on this stuff. Epson salt. I'm
on meth magnesium. I'm on fish oil. I'm
on all these different things you need
like to be ready.
>> Gotcha. And what are some things outside
of camp that you like enjoying? Like
what kind of foods do you like have to
have to eat?
>> Um so like sushi is my favorite food.
Okay.
>> Sushi. Love sushi.
>> And so I'm going to find anywhere I go
the the best sushi spot, the best pizza
spot.
>> Have you been to Japan?
>> Um no. No, I haven't yet. It's one of my
it's on my to-do list. Like I stopped by
for uh on my way to Thailand, you know,
but never really hung out because they
don't really let you smoke in Japan. I
can't smoke weed. So I'm like, I don't
want to come here.
>> Yeah.
>> So only that's why I love Thailand. Let
you smoke weed. So I'm like, hell yeah.
This is my favorite spot. Um
>> what were you just
>> favorite food? Like
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. So sushi. Favorite pizza?
Uh pizza spot.
>> Best Italian, you know, Alfredo. I'm a
big guy like that. uh burgers, certain
stuff like that. I'm going to go find
the best they got around, you know?
>> Go go go for the best.
>> Yeah, I'm a foodie.
>> I'm down to talk about kind of cannabis
for a little bit. I feel like it's like
played a big role in kind of like your
career. Um how what were your kind of
like um I think did you you had a small
suspension, right? When it came to I
don't [snorts] forgot what organization
it was in.
>> Yeah, like three, bro.
>> Three.
>> I think I had like three.
>> I was bad back in the day, bro. And so
like you got to understand this. This is
the thing. All right. I'm growing up in
in a time where cannabis is bad for
fighting at the time, you know?
>> And so if you're smoking cannabis, it
can take you up to 30 to 60 days to get
clean. You know what I'm saying? And so,
but you're the guy who keeps getting
called on short notice. So, how do you
just get clean in 30 60 days and they
ask you to fight in two weeks notice?
You know what I'm saying? So, I kept
getting popped with those type of
things, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> I like [ __ ] you know? So, I did like a
three month, then I did a six month,
then I did a year, you know what I mean?
I got popped a few times with this weed
[ __ ] you know? And thank God it's
gotten a little more lenient after the
DS is kind of keep the doors down more
for us. That [ __ ] was wild, bro. Back in
the days, like weed was not was frowned
upon. So, yeah, I got a couple just
suspensions on that stuff.
>> Do you do you smoke during camp or you
know, there's some guys who
[clears throat] don't? No.
>> No. No. I don't like to play games, you
know, like like my boy Nate will and
[ __ ] I'm like, "Man, you brave, you
know, but me, soon as they we it's
official, I go cold turkey." I [ __ ]
put the blunt down and I can't sleep for
like five days. But I'll go through cold
turkey, drop that [ __ ] [ __ ] tripping
[snorts] on my girl, get out of here,
[ __ ] fight my girlfriends, you know,
fight with everybody, and then I go
crazy and then I come back, I say I'm
sorry to everybody and show them love
and
>> it cal it calms you down.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it calms me down, bro. I
remember like when I first found weed,
uh, I had a break with my little Mexican
girlfriend and [ __ ] I went to college
and [ __ ] and like I was a senior and she
was a junior. So now when I graduated,
she was still there and so I went off to
college and [ __ ] and then I came back
when on break or some [ __ ] like that and
she was cheating with some like 27 year
old guy or some [ __ ] like that
>> and so I broke my heart and [ __ ] I was
with this teacher and this teacher is
like, "Man, you got to [ __ ] hit this
weed, you know?" No way.
>> I know. And I'm like, what? Like there's
no [ __ ] way. You're telling me to do
this [ __ ] And I didn't [ __ ] with
nothing. I didn't do nothing. I'm just
like I'm straight edge kid, you know? I
started smoking like when I was [ __ ]
18, you know? And so [ __ ] hit that
[ __ ] bro. And I forgot about all my
pains. And so we just like kind of like
it just takes the edge off it. So like
it's a big problem. Once you hit some
[ __ ] you're like, "Ah, it's not so
bad." like, "My's girlfriend sold
$300,000 of jewelry for me, bro." And so
when she did, I losing my mind because
I'm sober. I'm sober. And I broke down.
I hit the blunt. And I never smoked
during camps. But this one, Jeremy, I
called to make sure like they're going
to trip out weed. And they was like,
"Well, just don't come high to the fight
and stuff." Like, uh, New Jersey don't
trip about weed. So I'm like, "All
right, cool." I smoked. Then I was like,
"Man, it's not so bad." [laughter]
You know, it just makes everything okay.
You know, at the time I was losing my
[ __ ]
>> Of course, I smoked [ __ ] I
don't give a [ __ ] You know,
>> did you have a story where you kind of
took some edibles before a fight? You
thought the fight was going to get
cancelled and it never did? Like, do you
remember that? That
>> wasn't that you hyped up the a crowd or
something like that and they didn't have
the cameras rolling?
>> Oh. Oh. Oh, I see. No, that was in
edible. Oh.
>> Um, so this is uh Affliction. Mhm. Uh
>> Affliction. I I finally get the uh
my call to my big show, but like you
said, short notice. So, they take me to
do a fight on fiction on 24 hours
notice. I'm literally at work. I just
got through smoking on my lunch break
and I go back into my warehouse job and
working in there and they call me and
say, "If you can be here in an hour and
make weight, we'll get you on the show.
We'll give you 3,000 to show, 3,000 to
win." to me. $6,000 in my head. I'll be
working forever here to get this $6,000.
I went over to the camera. I flipped
like, "Fuck you." You know, I'm out of
here. I'm never looking back. You know,
I'm thinking I'm going to be a fighter
now. Quit that [ __ ] Leave, get on
treadmill, put on sweats and bags and
[ __ ] and [ __ ] made the weight. So,
I'm fighting on 24 hours. I fight the
next day. I go make the weight, do the
weigh-in. Now, I'll go fight the next
day. Um,
I'm already dirty. I already know I'm
going to pop for weed. So if they test
me, you're [ __ ] you know. So at the
time, this is my first coach. Crazy
Mexican guy, you know. He's like, "Bro,
I'm [ __ ] tripping. It's the biggest
show I've been on. I'm just like, I
don't know if I'm ready for this [ __ ]
you know? I'm [ __ ] going tripping
balls, you know, like [ __ ] you know?"
He like, "Man, [ __ ] it. Let's go smoke.
This is my coach. [snorts]
>> You're [laughter] a teacher, a coach,
right?
>> This sound like a great idea, you know?"
So I got there with him and he's got
some dynamite where it like he just
caved my whole chest in like oh [ __ ]
You know I'm super lit, you know. Go
back inside now. I'm cool as [ __ ] Don't
nothing matter now. I'm chilling. So I'm
just having a cool ass time and call me
for my show. Oh yes, my turn. I bust out
there. I just come running out. Boom. I
run out to the show. I bust through the
little like security [ __ ] and I run up
the stairs to the fans. So I run
upstairs. They don't know who the [ __ ] I
am. Like I told you, they don't know
nobody. But I ran up the stairs. I'm
running all through the like, you know
how you like you come down. Yeah. I'm
running up them. I go up there. I'm
like, "Get up. Let's go." Smacking fans
like, "Yeah." You know, they're tripping
out. They're going crazy. I run down the
stairs. I run the other side. Yeah.
Let's go. You know, I'm running back
down and the production stops me. They
stop. Hey, we're not recording. You
know, we didn't record. I'm like,
"What?" I'm all out of breath. Like,
what? We didn't record none of that.
Like the cams are going crazy. They took
me in the back and then I like, "All
right, now do it again."
>> Did you do it?
>> No. YOU CAN'T [ __ ] YOU can't fake
that again. And hell no. I'm tired now.
And I've been smoking weed, you know?
So, [ __ ]
>> So, did you end up popping or what
happened there? You end up
>> Yep. End up popping. You mean
>> I end up fighting Dan Lison, you know,
Joe Lison's little brother and [ __ ] on
24 hours notice and [ __ ] I'm whooping
his ass and I got caught in a choke the
last five seconds and [ __ ] I didn't
know where time was at and [ __ ]
caught me. Damn, it's over.
>> Was I mean you finding some like uh
casinos as well? I think Tachi I I saw
on your
>> Tachi.
>> Yeah, they just opened back up. They
just started having fights there again.
>> Yeah, Tahachi. I remember fought Crazy
Horse and and then they offered me to
fight Tahachi. I fought
in a spot in an old show called Respect
in the Cage I think it was called. I
fought Sabach, you know, Sabach Magda
something. He was on Ultimate Fighter.
Fought that kid. Then three days later,
>> I fought
Tahachi at 170
for I fought the champ. I got my whole
[ __ ] foot twisted around. I got
popped and uh my ankle popped. Then
three days later, I had to fight Crazy
Horse. You know what I mean? That's
[ __ ] nuts.
>> I just don't know how you do it. How do
you stay so active, man? And even like
just fighting all the time and half your
fights are short notice. Like I to me it
just blows my mind how how active you
are. And it seems like you're in great
shape, you know? You're still doing your
thing. Still
>> four fights in six months right now and
we're still only going we're not even
half of the year yet.
>> No. Do you have anything planned up
ahead or you trying to get into
>> I'm trying to go ASAP. I'm like, "Hey, I
try to tell them, hey, put me on next
week's card in Vegas. I'll go surprise.
I'm here, you know, like surprise. I'm
just I just jumped over here too now,
you know, like I'll come in and fill in
here and fill in there and do whatever.
Just give me my money.
>> How's it How does it go like when you
got a fight? Do they give you a FaceTime
call and be like, "Hey, you good to go?"
And then how how does that work?
>> No. Jason calls me.
>> Oh, really?
>> So every time Jason call me, my heart
dropped
>> every time. I like my heart drop first
then I got to go take a [ __ ] because I
already know like my stomach start going
the bellies that's the problem we got to
fight like [ __ ] I gota go take a [ __ ] we
go somewhere like oh I got to take a
[ __ ] my bellyy's going you know it's
just like a natural the butterflies in
your stomach get
>> you can't even call you just just to
hang out or anything
>> he calls me my hearty drops like [ __ ]
[laughter] is it time is it I'm like
what's up you know [ __ ] it's time to go
put the blunt down [ __ ] let's Oh,
>> man. So, you just got to be ready and
just at at any time.
>> Hell no. I got to enjoy my life cuz
they're going to call me back soon. And
so, I got to enjoy the little time I
have. Enjoy it. And when they call me,
I'll get ready and and I'll be ready,
you know? But [clears throat] my time is
limited. So, I better enjoy when time I
got with my kids. I've spent so much
time fighting. Like, for instance,
>> one year I fought five times in a year.
>> Say you're doing two camp for each
fight. That's 10 months out of 12. How
much time are you releasing your kids,
you know?
>> Yeah.
>> And so they they they kind of feel the
effects of me being so active and trying
to build my name and stay out in front
of the lights. Sometime my kids suffer,
>> right? And how many do you feel like you
have left? And how in an ideal world,
how many would you want to keep keep
going?
>> Interesting.
>> I told myself after 40 fights, I'll be
done. I told myself that I'm not a
person that needs social media. I'm not
a person that needs
attention. I'm here cuz you paid me to
be here. And so I'll chase money, but
I'm not chasing attention. If you like
to watch me, you like to watch me, cool.
If you don't, no worries. You know, but
I told myself at 40 fights, I'm going to
[ __ ] finish and I'm going to walk off
into the sand. I'm into the shadows.
Delete my Instagram, delete all access,
and nobody never hear from me again. You
like, what happened to that one guy? you
know, like he don't post. He don't say
nothing. I don't even know if he's alive
or not, you know? I want to do something
like that to just delete all this [ __ ]
you know?
>> Mhm.
>> But then I got to 40 and I just never
feel like I had enough money yet. I
didn't feel like I was set where I'm at.
And then I'm like, man, I at 50 fights
then. Then it's like, all right. Well,
now I'm starting to get a close to the
sweet spot now.
But the thing is this. I remember when I
was young and remember thinking if I got
$50,000
>> in my hands, I'm I'm good. I'm good.
There's nothing you there's nothing you
can tell me. I don't need nothing else.
>> That's it.
>> Give me $50,000 in my hand. I'm
straight. But then I got 50 in my hand.
I was just like, but I bought the this
ring for my girl and then I got us a
house and then it was gone. It was like,
"Oh, well, 50 ain't enough." You know,
but what I'm trying to get into is more
so is that remembering how it felt when
you got that 50, when you got that first
little something
>> that you're getting,
how do I say this? Uh, all right. We're
getting tired of doing this thing. This
thing is hard to keep doing and the
competition keeps getting better and
better.
>> But when you were at this low part and
you were getting this little money, as
you got to a certain point, you're like,
"Man, I got $50,000. I did. I got that
now. You got to still be like that when
you got that 50 up here where you're
where people start start getting to a
point where they go, I'm [ __ ] tired.
But no, I got to still think of it like
I was a kid and go, well, you're finally
at that point now. Now you got to go hit
them like you were when you were a kid
when I knocked out one every weekend. If
I knocked out a fight every weekend like
that right now, I made a million dollars
in, you know, [laughter] in a month. You
know, I made a million dollars in a
month. And so what I'm saying is is keep
that that juvenile feeling about
fighting and and doing it and the
activity about it all where
>> the other guys have gotten tired and
they're getting no and they're like,
man, I'm over this [ __ ] I'm still
trying to be young and to be like this
[ __ ] So that
>> that's where the true money is when you
like it, when you love something and
when you enjoy it. And and so as you
start getting there, you start getting
tired, you start putting less effort,
you start doing less [ __ ] for me is
still think of it as you're young and
you're just getting to the money. So now
if I just got to the money, if I could
do 10 more of these [ __ ] you
know,
>> oh, I'll be straight, you know?
>> Yeah. And do you feel like is there any
fighters that come to mind? Feel like
maybe they, you know, try to keep the
the wheels turning, but they couldn't. I
mean, I know you fought Tony towards the
tail end of his career. Maybe it felt
like, you know, he was still trying.
Maybe other people have different
motivations
>> that he was still trying and he should
have like got out.
>> Maybe. I don't know. I mean, Tony,
>> but then he just won a title.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you could tell him he got up, but
then he would have never got that.
>> No, you just got to keep going until
when
>> that's what that's where I'm getting to.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I'm saying I might be 10, but I might
still feel good. Like Nate said this
[ __ ] fighting till until I die. I'm I'm
like, [ __ ] I might just kind of go down
till I die. I'd rather I'd rather die in
the ring. I'd rather die doing what I do
than getting old and just dying. And
matter of fact, my life's so boring now
that I got a girlfriend. I can't [ __ ]
[ __ ] It's like my life's so boring
now. So it's like [ __ ] I just rather
die in the ring, you know? I'd rather
die what I'm doing than die from [ __ ]
lung cancer and I [ __ ] barely can
breathe and I'm just,
you know, like [ __ ] shoot me in the
head and let me go, you know?
>> Damn.
>> And so that's what I'm saying. I got to
go dying out fighting and [ __ ] you
know?
>> Yeah. You feel like you were born for
this like this type of life of like
being like a like a modern-day
gladiator? People told me this all the
time
>> that I was born for this, you know.
They're like, just the way you fight,
this way you are with fighting, you were
meant to fight. You know, that's
something I've been trying to push away.
Like my dad tell me all the time, "Quit
your job. You're meant to fight. Quit
your job." And I'm like, "No, this is
steady money." And I'm not giving up
steady a steady paycheck for some [ __ ]
that might be up and down. You know, who
knows how long this [ __ ] going to pop.
So, I would never quit my job. But now
I'm at this point where I'm like, okay,
I can kind of see those some things.
But I'm in this game till the end, bro.
I'm in this game to the end.
Is there any influences that you had?
Like I know you mentioned your dad a
lot. Maybe other maybe other fighters or
maybe I I look up to like Kobe Bryant a
lot when it comes to like wisdom and
just like passing down stuff like that.
There's anyone that comes to mind where
you felt like they they dropped a lot of
game and helped you out?
>> That man right there, Muhammad Ali. You
know what I mean? Muhammad Ali came and
shook [ __ ] up.
>> You ever seen Jenga?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I have.
>> Okay. There's a certain part in the
movie where
Leonardo DiCaprio says, "I believe that
it become one once in in every 10 years
a [ __ ] like you, you know, a [ __ ] like
you every once in a hundred years or
some [ __ ] like that."
>> I truly believe that
>> that comes like that too in terms of a
[ __ ] like you. You know, I tell people
that like you ain't seen somebody like
me since Ali and and
I'll put it away at times, but let it be
us in the ring and nobody around. I'll
let the crazy man walk out some and
people be looking at me like I'm like,
"Y'all know I'm crazy, but you ain't
never seen nobody like me since Ali."
Like, I really shake [ __ ] up and I do
[ __ ] differently, you know? And he had
his own way about him and what he said
and he stood for something. I'm the same
way, you know, and maybe I'm not as
brash as him to go and be talking crazy
to white folks when you get yourself
killed. He was a whole another animal. I
could never compare to him. But I feel
like I'm a spitting
a little glimpse of it, you know.
>> And was that since the youth, like since
you were a kid, you had that belief in
yourself?
>> My first foster foster care home I went
to after my grandmother died. I stay
with this white family.
>> Mhm. My stepdad
saw I could see all [ __ ] up. He just
stuck me in front of Ali tapes and made
me watch him and made me watch him watch
him. I started learning about him. I
really like that. Like he could pop this
jab the way he moves, you know, hands
down low sometimes, you know? And so,
man, this is kind of interesting, you
know? I learned about fighting watching
[ __ ] Ali, you know, watching what he
was doing and [ __ ] And then I became a
Mayweather fan and so I started picking
all these different guys up and learning
their styles and stuff. But
I was a huge fan because Ali was the
first start of it. So then I got more
into the political side of what he was
doing and what he stood for and what he
was, oh man, that was a strong man and
standing up for what you believe in.
>> So do you feel like maybe if you weren't
watching those tapes, you'd be doing
something else or do you feel like that
was like a start of
>> I never thought about it that way. Maybe
my dad I'm going to go back and tell my
white dad and hey, you know what you
did? Cuz I always told him that. Hey, it
was the Molly Ali tapes. Remember you
should stick me for Mali tapes? And then
another thing, he he stuck me in the
garage and made me hit the little uh
speed bag
>> and he just like look,
you hear that? You see that? D and he
made me just go out there and learn and
I sat there for like three hours
straight until I learned it. Took me
about three hours and finally
I getting it down, you know. took me
three hours say it took me three hours
learning see how long it takes you and
he just left me like that [laughter] I'm
going try to beat him you know
>> wow
>> and so I always tell him I'm thankful to
my white dad and [ __ ] like I really
appreciate him
>> yeah I mean your your dad I mean you you
were on the Joe Rogan podcast and I've
listened to that and just him breaking
down the story [snorts]
>> so you talking about that one I'm
talking about a whole another one
>> yeah I know yeah
>> no no there's there's a whole another
one
>> yeah I'm in this I got 50 different
>> homes I've been into I got eight
families bro so I got like two or three
white families. I got
>> three or four Mexican families. I got
three or four black families. You know
what I mean? So, imagine trying to be in
part of all these families and
connecting with them and and help them
when they're falling, you know? It's a
lot, bro.
>> Yeah,
>> it's a lot.
>> That is a lot.
>> Wow.
>> And uh I mean there was a stint, right,
where you had to use a different name
like you were using Ray Green for a
second.
>> That's when I got I got popped for weed.
>> Wow.
>> That's when I got popped for weed. I
couldn't fight. I'm on a year suspension
and [ __ ] and I still got to make money
and [ __ ] and my coach is like, "Man,
let's go to Mexico. We just say you're
Ray Green, you know?" [laughter]
>> That's your middle name, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] we do with that.
My middle name and Ray means king and
[ __ ] So Ray, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Let's do that, you know? So we start
running after Ray Green. I was fighting
with under that [ __ ]
>> That's That's tough. I didn't even think
about that Ray cuz
>> Yeah, it's what it what it is.
>> Ray Green. And now it is
>> King Green. King Green. Yeah.
>> What What inspired that? I think I've
heard a few few clips of um you know you
talking about your name.
>> It's a lot of [ __ ] stuff, bro. I
don't want to be specific. It's a lot of
stuff and I can name a thousand things
of RAW. I changed my name to King. One,
I'm just [ __ ] different. Okay? I'm
[ __ ] different. Nobody else is. So
that's why I do it cuz you're not me.
And so don't try to act like or think
for me. I'm just [ __ ] different.
Okay? I'm [ __ ] crazy. I'm going to do
whatever I want to do. And that's one
thing I want to do. Two, I'm a [ __ ]
artist. I don't look at myself like a
fighter. And you guys look at me like
fighter. I look at myself as an artist.
I can just do crazy [ __ ] wear crazy
[ __ ] do whatever I want. I can't just
I'm don't put me in no box. I'm gonna do
whatever I want when I want. And so
that part uh three, shocking all. It's
like what? He changed his name like yes,
legally. Yes. Shocking all. It's like
what the who would do something and why
and how did he do that? I know you
didn't even think of it, stupid. You
know, [laughter]
like you never told I could just change
my name, make my own name, you know.
Yeah. And so I'm just different, bro.
Um,
>> a lot of [ __ ] Uh, like another thing
like I was trying to explain to people
is like being a king.
>> Mhm.
>> King what it means to you like a king
means like being true at heart, you
know, meaning having integrity. What you
do when when your back is turned, you
know, you turn your back, I could be
flipping you off. I can say, "Fuck this
guy." You know, or and acting cool in
front of your face. integrity and how I
act and what I say and what I do. Will I
steal behind you or you know um it's
about having a a community, you know,
having a community of people that can
trust in you that you can help build,
you know, you my boy and that's my boy
and and you guys trust me and I trust in
you guys and you're like, "Bro, I can I
do what I say and you say and you do
what you say and he does what he said."
Well, he said he's going to be here at
this time. We're going to meet and we're
going to start doing this that build
this business. And we all did what we
said. It just started [ __ ] going. Now
we're making money together and now
we're building a community. We're all
part of this community now, you know, of
people with integrity, people with
certain standards. You know what I'm
saying? And so the other thing is this,
and I think people get caught up on this
one, is I was trying to say like I was
talking with the homies and [ __ ] and
I'm like, "What is a king?" And they're
like, "Oh, I'm a king. Everybody's a
king." But I'm like, "All right, what's
your castle?" And they're like, "Well, I
live in an apartment, you know, and this
person lives in a house, you know, and
they rent." And I'm like, "All right,
this person have a mortgage." I'm like,
"But the thing is what makes you a king
is that you have to own your castle. It
means that that's your property. You own
it. Not just like you're just paying a
mortgage, but you have to actually own
it." And and that's hard to do. You got
a 30 30-year mortgage. That's hard to do
a 30-year mortgage. That means for 30
years, you're going to have to
consistently pay this payment. And if
you know anything about life, I don't
know how young you are, but life has its
ups and downs. And so sometimes you got
money, sometimes you don't. Sometimes
your parents had some [ __ ] and sometimes
they didn't. Your dad lost his job, some
[ __ ] happened, he broke his arm, some
[ __ ] happened. This person this and [ __ ]
happens. So the fact that you can keep a
house for 30 years through all the
[ __ ] that comes with that makes you
a king that you got it paid off. You
know what I mean? And that true shows
fortitude that you know how to stay
stable through the economy and how it's
going to go for 30 years. You know what
I'm saying? And so that's what I was
trying to express to people is like
that's what makes you a king is that you
could do those type of things?
>> I I definitely could see that. Like do
you feel like maybe in a different you
know lifetime you were a king back back
in the day? You feel something like that
or do you feel it's just more of like a
belief thing within yourself?
>> I don't know about all that. I'm not
like
some pharaoh, you know, I was pharaoh
green, you know.
>> There's some people, you know, they
>> No, no, that's some weird [ __ ] you
know. I don't know about weird [ __ ] like
that. I just
>> I don't know. I just feel like
>> trying to do something special and
>> and
>> I made me special
>> and I definitely want to give back and
and do something special, you know?
>> Definitely. I mean, just as as a fan of
the UFC, you know, seeing you go out
there and do your thing, it just it
inspires inspires me just to be able to
be myself and sometimes, you know, maybe
play to the crowd a little bit, maybe
just, you know, do things that, you
know, the people want to see, but at the
same time, you know, know who who you
are. What would you say like your the
the main difference is from you as a as
an individual, as a person and the
fighter? Like what
>> the difference? Uh, I think that people
see my harder exterior, you know, like
when I'm in fight mode, I'm tough, you
know, and so like
I may be
aggressive, I may talk a certain way and
then when that person saw me on camera,
>> they they assume you're a tough guy,
you're an [ __ ] you're cocky, you're
arrogant, you know what I mean? which
some of those are some things you kind
of got to give off in case your opponent
is watching. You don't want to show
weakness, you know, and so there's a lot
of times where people assume that and
then when they met me, they're like,
"Hey, you're not nothing like I thought
you would be, you know, I thought you
were going to be like this and be like
this, but when they actually kind of got
around me and stuff, they're like, man,
he's nothing like that at all. That
[ __ ] is cool as [ __ ] but it's
just like you got to get to know him,
>> right?" And that's just some some things
that I notice or I hear around, you
know, it's like, oh, you know, I'm like,
hey, got a podcast, Bobby Green. Like,
oh, Bobby Green, is he the one that does
like the the dances stuff? I'm like,
yeah. But like I feel like that's why I
wanted to talk to you to be able to, you
know, show the other sides of, you know,
yourself and how you carry yourself. And
the the the thing that I noticed right
away is like you pick up a lot on the
small details. Like you're able to pick
up on, you know, certain things and
phrases. And I feel like that's uh very
important just to conversate with
people. That's something I've noticed
with more podcasts I do being able to,
you know, pick up on on cues and stuff
like that. And I I noticed that you're
you do well at that. And that's just
want to give props.
>> Appreciate you. That's from foster care,
bro. You you got to be aware of your
surroundings. You don't know what's
going to happen. You better be paying
attention, you know, like to everything
happen. Somebody could come kick the
door down. Like I had SWAT kick our door
down and take my my real dad to jail,
you know? I was like 5 years old, you
know. Kick my kick the door down. Big
guns. Everybody get down. [ __ ] get
arrested. So, it's like you've been in a
lot of elements where you've seen crazy
stuff and now it makes you where you
need to pay attention. I pay attention
to everything. I'm like, "Oh, they
didn't think I was paying attention.
They think I'm high." But I'm like, "No,
I peep that little [ __ ] he did there."
Or you might be hiding something, but
your face shows it.
>> If I could read your face good enough.
I'm like, "Man, something's wrong with
you." Like, but no, nothing's wrong.
Like, bro, I know you you make that
stupid face, you know? [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> I don't even know how you I mean, you
just learned that with just experience.
There's not like a course you could take
online, right? just be like, you know,
you just have to live, I guess.
>> You got to go through it. You can't
cheat your way through it. You can only
earn it. Can't be cheated.
>> You know, if if people were to see
Barbie Green and known him for something
like what what are they going to know
him for?
>> What are they going to know me for?
>> Yeah. What do you want to be known for?
>> What do I want to be known for?
Um,
maybe this. cuz I was talking to my
brother today and my brother's like,
"Man, somebody said this and they said,
you know, everybody, you know, gets a
shot, but people don't take it." And I
was like, "Bro, like,
I don't know, bro, but I took every shot
I possibly could. I look at it like
this,
>> like a hoop."
>> Yeah.
>> And I shot the ball and I fought 10
Islam on 10 days notice and I failed.
And then I shot the ball again and I
fought Drew Dober with a [ __ ] up hand
from surgery and I [ __ ] failed. But
then I shot the ball this last one and
oh it landed. I beat Dale Huber off a
guy who's 500 to one odds and blah blah
blah. And so I shot the ball and I shot
the ball until it started landing, you
know?
>> Yeah.
>> Until it landed. And so try on every
opportunity until one day it [ __ ]
lands.
>> My next one next one's going in. That's
the mindset though. got to go in sooner
or later. And so even when I played
basketball against somebody, I didn't
care who it was. I be like, "You're not
going to beat me because I'm going to
shoot more than you. I'm going to out
hustle you to the rim. I'm going to
[ __ ] be up there. I'm be jumping. I'm
going to be putting so much more effort
into what you do than I do. I'm going to
beat you cuz I'm going to have more
shots. And even though you shot five, I
shot 15. But then my five went in."
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> I feel like if you get in a hot streak,
you won't miss. I feel like if I were to
hoop with you, I'll just be passing
[snorts] you the ball. I'm the worst
basketball player you you ever seen in
your life. But I win. I've never lost a
game because [laughter] I just out
hustle people. I just sticking on them.
I was making them shoot work for every
shot they shot. You know, I'm contesting
every shot. I'm owing them everywhere.
Not giving no space. And then finally,
they just started getting tired and
tired. I just beating people off
conditioning and trying to chase me and
keep up with me. And I couldn't keep up
that way physically. But an actual skill
[ __ ] airball it [laughter] [ __ ]
right under the hoop. Still trying to
[ __ ] get it, you know.
>> Oh
>> [ __ ] [ __ ] ass game, [laughter]
>> you know.
>> But you got heart though. So you're
going to keep on shooting though. I was
pointing. I think that's a good a good
lesson or at least some something that
you know could leave the the people off
there. I mean, uh, one thing I did
remember that I was supposed to say
earlier was like you, uh, when you
wrestled, like you would do like WWE
moves in the wrestling, like the
Huracana. Like, who told you that? Or
like you just wanted to do that and you
start doing that stuff.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I [ __ ] around. I was
like, I'm going to try to do different.
You guys are [ __ ] born wrestling.
Like wrestling was dope on TV. I thought
wrestling was like that. I didn't know
wrestling was collegiic wrestling. I
came in to slap somebody with a chair at
a table, [laughter] you know, and I
locked in. I got in there. my life.
There's no turnbuckles. There's no
tables or ladders or chairs. What the
[ __ ] is this [ __ ] You know, and then I
get on the mat. So, I'm like, "All
right, I'll pick a [ __ ] up, try
to power bomb." You can't do that. They
stopped it right then. I'm like, "What
the
>> what KIND OF WRESTLING IS THIS? YOU
CAN'T EVEN slam people like you know,
you got to put down your knee before you
slam and you know, it's like different
ways you got to do this shit." And I'm
like, "This [ __ ] kind of gay." But [ __ ]
it. I uh I got beat up by two white
guys. It's the first fight I ever lost
and they were wrestling me. So I I knew
it was something different. It was
weird. I ended up getting cool with them
later on and they were told me they were
wrestlers. So I end up joining
wrestling.
>> Did you Did you wrestle you wrestled
like throughout all of high school?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Freshman.
>> So you stuck with it even though it
wasn't like WWE. You were just like
I'mma still do it.
>> Yeah. I had these two crazy white boy
homies. my two crazy white homies
who were they kind of taught me about
entertainment.
>> And what I mean by that is like we woke
up with this [ __ ] like [ __ ] the
system.
>> We wake up, we like [ __ ] just listen
rock and roll, [ __ ] just mashing out.
We just [ __ ] do crazy [ __ ] like we're
going to wear this. What are you going
to do? And so we go in there, we [ __ ]
steal his mom's clothes. We wear [ __ ]
female clothes. We wear [ __ ]
costumes. We wear makeup. We'd like
spike our hair, streak it, do crazy
[ __ ] and then come into class and be
like just [ __ ] like just looking
crazy. Like one time I laid in a pool of
uh Kool-Aid, you know, all red. And then
I laid in there and I turned my whole
skin red. I put red contacts in, paint
my nails red, you know, I got red
lipstick on, red eyes, red hair, spiked
guy with spiked hair. And I just sit
there like
[laughter] and don't move the whole
[ __ ] time, you know? a lot.
>> Wait, you said you jumped in a pool of
Kool-Aid.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like in a bathtub. And I did
the bathtub.
>> Okay. Okay. I was like, what? I was like
>> And so Yeah. Yeah. Done crazy [ __ ] like
that, you know? I used to do all kind of
[ __ ] I used to come as like Santa Claus
and I'll be like giving people like I
try to give you a a tortilla
>> and if you didn't take my tortilla, oh
yeah, [ __ ] you. I start throwing Rice
Krispie treats at you. GET OUT OF HERE.
HO HO HO. You know, throwing cereal at
you. I just do wow [ __ ] bro. So I spike
my hair and [ __ ] and then but the in
order for a black person to spike their
hair,
>> you have to perm it and make it straight
first.
>> That does damage to your hair and scalp.
Then after that, then I got to dye it
the colors, bleach it first, then dye
the colors. Sometime my hair fall out.
So I have to shave my head bald. I paint
my whole head white, cover my whole face
in white, and then wear black like
[ __ ] crazy makeup and just be [ __ ]
tripping people out. I would get kicked
out of school all the time. And not that
I was doing anything to nobody. I wasn't
touching or bothering nobody, but just
you're a distraction. You can't be in
class. I wear like some crazy fish nets,
like see-through [ __ ] you know, be just
looking like
[laughter]
>> You did that on purpose just to sit
there or just
>> Yeah. For us, it was [snorts] uh
they have a dress code.
>> Yeah.
>> But they didn't cover everything in the
dress code. You know what I mean? They
said, "All right, you can't." They
didn't say you couldn't wear super tight
pants, you know, that that has rips all
in it or, you know what I mean? Like,
they say you couldn't wear crazy makeup,
you know what I mean? You said we
couldn't wear ball caps. You said we
couldn't wear saggy pants. You know what
I mean?
>> Everything else that was
>> So, we just [ __ ] like, "Oh, well,
this isn't part of tell this isn't dress
code. This is not dress code." You know?
So, we're now like, "Oh, yeah. You guys
want to [ __ ] with us?" They used to drug
test us all the time cuz they thought we
were on drugs, bro. We were just [ __ ]
wild kids, you know, doing wild [ __ ]
>> Did that kind of like transfer over? I
mean, like after high school into like
different things.
>> That's what I'm saying. We started
learning about entertainment, started
learning like do different [ __ ] you
know, like I started doing actually
trying different things and
understanding different cultures. So
like at that time I was hanging with the
white boys. So I started learning the
white boy culture. I'm around WWE and WF
and listen to rock and roll and Stone
Code S and and Jackass at that time.
like all this crazy like white boy crazy
[ __ ] So now I'm doing a bunch of that
stuff and learning how the crowd
interacts to that and like
>> and how you deal with people and
personality and how they deal with
someone who like you surprised that
comes around you and you're like what
the [ __ ] Like some guy [ __ ] riding
around with baby powder on him and a
thong. You're like what the and the way
people trip out about you, you know?
>> So we're doing wild crazy jackass [ __ ]
Setting ourselves on fire.
>> What?
>> Yeah. Just doing wild [ __ ] you know.
>> Did you record it? Yes. We're just doing
wild [ __ ] you know, as kids. That's the
time. That's what it was. Yeah. You
know, I mean, we're not doing drugs,
man. [ __ ] to do. But listen to rock and
roll and do [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] Marilyn
Manson had us [ __ ] tripping out, you
know.
>> Yeah. That's that's a crazy M is crazy.
>> Yeah, I'm still a fan, you know? I just
seen him not too long ago.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, we wear makeup like Mars and
we wear crazy like platforms like this
big. You be [ __ ] walking all high and
[ __ ] like crazy [ __ ] bro. just to [ __ ]
with people's heads.
>> Is there anything that we could like
find online of any like videos out there
or this is all hidden archives?
>> I think I got like one picture of me
with my spiked hair and people like what
the [ __ ] you know? Like
>> so that's why you shave your shave your
head cuz of the damage of what?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I started losing my hair
like like 22 23 from doing all this. No
one told me, "Hey, you [ __ ] your [ __ ]
up." You know, like I think my grandma
might have said something, but I'm just
like not paying attention. I'm I'm
trying to be cool. I'm trying to be
different, you know?
>> I know I'm burning my [ __ ] out, you
know, and so you live and you learn.
>> I feel I feel like the I mean both I
mean I've seen you when every time I've
seen you it's just with a shave a shaved
head. So I mean I feel like you pull off
the the look very well. So I [laughter]
think I think it's crazy though just the
the way that you do bring stuff in like
an artist. It's not just like a fighter.
You put someone in a box. a lot of these
guys, you know, maybe especially your
situation yourself, like you needed to
fight, you know, because your situation.
Um, but do you feel like a lot of people
have to, you know, just express
themselves naturally? And I feel like a
lot of people maybe, you know, feel like
they have to act a certain way, post
these certain posts just to be able to
>> um So these people you can't tell, bro.
Like some people going to be who they
are going to be, you know? You can't
change them. You can tell them like be
more funny, you know, be just be
yourself.
>> Uh I want to, you know, like this is who
they are. You just you can't change it.
I don't know, bro. I'm just me.
>> Got you.
>> And I can't change who the [ __ ] I am.
>> Yeah. And you shouldn't have to. I feel
like you just being yourself is, you
know,
>> but if you pay attention to the internet
and [ __ ] like and you listen to comments
and all the stuff like that, like a lot
of times that [ __ ] can [ __ ] you up and
you be like, like I said, people call me
big mouth. And for a minute, I'm not
going to talk no more.
>> Like there was a few fights where I
don't talk.
>> I felt like there you think you guys all
say I'm a big mouth. I'll show you. I'll
just sit there just shut the [ __ ] up and
scrap with these [ __ ] Show you
I don't need to talk, you know? Like I'm
not trying to get nobody's head. I'm
just having fun with this [ __ ] too. And
it's kind of funny how they're acting
when I start talking to them. So, it's
just fun, you know?
>> Do you feel like that's what kind of the
UFC is kind of missing when it comes to
like press conferences and stuff like
that? Like we have a great
>> personality.
>> Yeah.
>> Personality, you know, you need
personality. You need that, you know,
and so a lot of I feel like UFC got to a
point where they started hiring too many
foreigners. And I don't mean anything
disrespectful against any other country
or nothing. What I'm saying is like
they weren't doing the same thing. And
so they weren't focused on the same
things as us as Americans. As as
Americans, we look for entertainment.
>> Yeah.
>> We're built that way.
>> They're look to win, to save my country,
to feed my village, to feed my family.
They're not thinking about it like
>> like us. We got so much freedom and
[ __ ] Like [ __ ] my family, we'll figure
this [ __ ] out. You know what I mean? But
over there, they're like, "Fuck, no
water, no house, we're dead." You know,
>> we got to eat.
>> Yeah. And so entertainment. And so now
the Americans
don't have a a real person to get
behind. And a lot of Americans that were
in this certain time of fighting are
gone. And the new Americans are just
trying to be competitors and win against
these crazy Russian wrestlers. You know,
you didn't get other guys that are on
the same type of thing. You can have a
real American brawl, you know, where
guys are really going at it and enjoying
[ __ ] Like the Mexican culture, they got
it down with their brawl, you know? The
Brazilians, they got it down with their
brawl, you know, but some other the like
Russians ain't got it yet, you know,
little huggers and stuff. And so that
makes the American audience fall where
they don't want to see it and they don't
have no connection to you now where is
Akmar, you know, they're just like,
who's that guy? you know, they can't
have a connectivity. It's still an
American sport, even though we want to
be global, but American is the base.
Then they're not having anybody to
connect to anymore,
>> right? And I've noticed that like say if
I invite someone over to watch UFC for
the first time, you're
>> upset
>> once they start grappling, they get on
the floor, there's like you see them get
on their phones and even [clears throat]
I train jiu-jitsu. I I like the
technique and the the the strategy
behind it, but I feel like there's, you
know, certain certain ways to make it
entertaining. And I
>> So we got to make it entertaining.
>> What's like the balance though with
being being like an entertainer and a
fighter though, like what?
>> But the thing is, bro, nobody wants to
take the risk. Like I could like for if
I was on your back and and if I started
reaching to hit you now, you can get
away. And nobody wants to take those
risks.
>> Cuz now if you get away, I have to work
so much harder.
>> Yeah.
>> Me, you get away. Oh, [ __ ] it. Cool.
I'll still have fun. I can still
entertain the fight wherever it goes.
>> And some guys don't want to give those
things up. They're just thinking about
the money and they're thinking about,
man, I can't lose and they're so wrapped
up in those things
>> they can't even get out of their box.
>> I see. Like how how could people make it
entertaining grappling? Just throw a
flying triangle or something just to
>> like for inance when I took Jeremy down.
If I took Jeremy down, I'm bam
[clears throat] bam bam bam. I'm hitting
him and pass over here. I pass a fight
out of out of his uh camora. Bam bam,
you know. So now it's dope. people
going, "Oh, oh, you know, when he tried
to grab me, they were booing." But once
they started seeing what I was doing,
they're like, "Oh, we like this." You
know, and so New Jersey like that,
there's a crowd that don't want to see
wrestling. But I was able to show them
something that they actually thought was
dope.
>> You got to know how how you do it and
take the risk to put on the show,
>> right?
>> Most people don't want to take the risk.
When did when did you like have a fight
where maybe your back was against the
wall, you needed a win, but did you
still have that I need to, you know,
have a show for the fans? Like was there
a certain fight?
>> Okay. Uh I wasn't fighting Lando Van Van
the first time. Fighting Lando I think
he dropped me or some [ __ ] I'm fighting
to get back up. I'm on my knee and he
hits me with a knee straight to the face
while I'm the ground on both knees, you
know. So now I got a perfect time where
I think I was came off a two fight skid
and so now I'm a loser and I got a
perfect time where I need to get this
win. I could just fall down and fake it
out like Aljo, you know, and be ah I
need this win. But the person in me
wouldn't let me earn it that way.
>> [ __ ] that. I'm getting up. I'm going to
whoop your ass. I'm going to get this
[ __ ] back. And he already dropped me. So
I'm down. It's the first round. So now I
got every reason to quit and go back to
the drawing board and quit. I'm like,
"Nah, I'll still fight back the next two
rounds and make up." And so it ended up
calling the fight a draw.
>> At least I made it and tied it back out
before I got dropped in the first round.
Yeah.
>> So tied it back out. We fight again. Now
I beat his ass the second one. But
>> that's where I've had those times where
you could quit and give up and try to go
for the money, but I just chose not to.
>> That front flip you do is crazy. I I
just think I've seen you right now. Like
I wish you could just like just hit a
front flip right now cuz when did that
first start? Like when was like you know
what? I'm going to just go for a front
flip during the beginning of a fight.
Man, I don't know where I be cooking
these things up at. I don't know where
these things come out of. Um I'm
thinking in jiujitsu
we do these warm-ups. You know, you roll
and then you Yeah. Forward roll your you
backwards roll over your stuff, you
know, like little stuff like that. I
think from there I was kind of playing
with stuff like that.
I know that Gachi, he'll hit the back
flip, you know, and I'm like, man, they
all do back flips, you know? I gota just
come and do something different, you
know? This is my way of doing it, you
know?
>> And so I was [ __ ] around and
>> it's like I don't know, just watch it
and just knock a flip. But it's kind of
like a dive out and then you roll it in
into, you know, stream my own stupid
[ __ ] up. Did you drill that before you
did that or you just did it like on in
the
>> I started doing it on the mats, you
know, and then I'm like, man, I'm going
to try this [ __ ] out. I don't know when
that came apart or where it came from.
I'm like, I'm going to do this [ __ ]
>> I don't know. I don't remember when.
It's been so [ __ ] long doing this
fighting, bro. And I've been so busy
fighting. I can never tell you because
it's not like I fight once a year. I'm
like, "Oh, yeah, that fight." I said,
>> "I did that.
>> I got [ __ ] 30 fights in this [ __ ]
game, bro. I don't remember half of
them. I smoke a lot of weed [laughter]
and I get punched in the head a lot. So,
and I got a lot of [ __ ] to do to keep
memories in here.
>> Yeah. Oh, well, thank you for for
hopping on the podcast, Mr. King. I had
lots of fun. Felt like your storytelling
just I felt like I was kind of there
with you, you know, a little bit, bro.
>> So, yeah, man. I appreciate you so much
for taking the time and uh, you know,
hopefully we get a call from Jason soon,
you know, get back in there.
>> Exactly. Get me back in there. Yeah,
>> I appreciate you for rocking with me,
bro, and giving me this opportunity to
share with you.
>> Thank you. Uh, one last question that I
have is, uh, what does it feel like
stepping into the cage with, you know,
thousands of fans screaming ready to
watch you fight? Like, how would you
describe that? Like a roller coaster or
what?
>> What does that feel like?
Before the fight, it feels like the
roller coaster, but when you actually
get in the cage
>> in front of everyone,
>> it's kind of like a a stage fight type
of thing
>> where
you're going up to a podium to have a
speech and everybody looking at you,
you're like, uh uh uh, you know, don't
make a
>> don't mess up.
>> Yeah. Don't mess up type of type of
move, you know.
But for me personally,
it feels like a new environment that
you're unfamiliar with that you're lost
and it's like they call it the UFC
jitters.
>> Get in the UFC and everybody go through
this feeling, you know? They're like
like like
only you you get it you only get it like
you trained. But if you train, you ever
went to somebody else's gym and trained?
>> Mhm. when you go to somebody else's gym
and train like I noticed I got tired
faster.
>> You [snorts] know what I mean? You're
like bro, you know what I mean?
>> Thought of it like that
>> because you're uncomfortable in someone
else's element. So now you're in someone
else's element being the cage that's not
your element.
>> And so it's not your element. It's not
his element. It's just the element. And
so one thing I learned was keep touching
it. So many times I told Jason this. I'm
like, I'm going be the most busy fighter
because I wanted to get over that fear
of that feeling. And so time you had
your first fight, you were like, I'm
[ __ ] exhausted because this was your
spot. So now if I kept touching this
spot, now it starts to feel like the
first time, this last few times, it's
been feeling like my house all of a
sudden. It feels like I've live here.
>> Feel like I just came in my room. You
know what I mean? But before
>> That's so tough.
>> It's You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah,
>> but before it's it was going to the NFL
and the Super Bowl and you're like, now
I was just like, man, I'm just in my
room. I'm like, what's up, guys? They're
just things on the wall now. It's just
like at a time it was like, [ __ ] You
know, and so that's what it feels like
to get in there.
>> Yeah. All right, man.
>> Hell yeah.
>> Thank you. Thank you. That was awesome.
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