I had a pile of money that was
about three and a half four foot tall
nine feet long and weighed over a ton
the F 250 van that I was loading the
armored van when I started the the back
bumper was pretty high up on me when I
was done it was
pretty low right if I do this
I'm gonna take enough money
so that I won't have to ever come back
because I won't be able to so you're out
of the country before they even know the
place has been robbed
I'm eating lunch in Mexico by the time
the news breaks Loomis was robbed and
these two Knuckleheads were living in a
double wide they just bought a
multi-million dollar mansion in this
small town with cash they're driving
expensive vehicles and the guy's a
knucklehead
you know and somehow or another he's
come up with all this cash yeah
and they've decided they're going to
kill they're going to kill me right and
he's gonna hire he's got a buddy
McKinney
and they're gonna hire him he's gonna go
down to Mexico and kill me
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hey this is Matt Cox and I am here with
David Gantt David Gantt was
uh he's should I say bank robber or bank
robber or
that's usually the the title I end up
with yeah bank robber for uh uh um
Loomis Fargo one of the largest luminous
Fargo uh robberies in history it was
17.5 million dollars and it was they
they say this over and over again that
it was literally a ton of cash and uh so
we're gonna do an interview and I
appreciate you guys watching and so
check this out look like I like we were
saying uh I was saying earlier I
actually
and I know I'm recapping all this but I
actually prior to getting in trouble
myself
watched a program on you
and then I watched another one where I
think I was incarcerated and then I was
and and it always reminded me of a story
that I wrote in prison and I kept going
back to your story because the story I
wrote was very similar to yours
um
but it's one of those stories that
always stuck in my mind so when like my
booking agent and my girlfriend got in
touch with you I'm sorry my wife got in
touch with you and my booking agent like
I immediately usually people have to
tell me like
you know I'm like who is this guy can
you send me a link I don't know who that
is he did what but as soon as they
mentioned it uh no no he did this I was
like oh I know exactly who you're
talking about I remember watching a
documentary like I was immediately
excited that's why my girlfriend or my
my wife kept texting I was like you've
got to get this guy to come on here like
he's got a great story so anyway that's
that's kind of how I knew
um the whole thing so
but basically what I typically do is
just start at the beginning like I'm
like I'm not we're not in a hurry or
anything so
you know like where where were you born
okay I was born in uh Gastonia North
Carolina and on October 20th 1969
um really average
um upper middle class lower middle uh
middle class family good education
um just a normal Southern upbringing
right
um Hunting Fishing motorcycles
nothing out of the ordinary right and
then you ended up going into the
military yeah um my hometown Gastonia at
the time was
what's a good word they were
economically not very diverse and so I
didn't have a lot of options I felt and
so I I went into the military and became
a Apache crew chief
all right were you in I mean did you see
any action or
um what year was this by the way sorry
let's see that was 80
nine or so
and it was I went to Desert Shield
Desert Storm came back and things at
home really hadn't changed
and uh
got married
and I spent some time down in the Hilton
Head Island South Carolina
working as a
working at a fixed base operation we
must use a airplane refueling operation
was that for the military nope this was
a private one this is after you got out
after I got out and um
eventually uh my wife at the time got
I usually say she got homesick but we
went back to Gastonia
and there was there was hardly anything
for me
and one day I saw an ad in the newspaper
armored car guard top top dollar page
which is a huge fib and uh I put an
application and next thing I knew they
they hired me and
put me to work I mean those guys never
like for for the amount for the
responsibility like they never they get
paid horrible oh yeah you know like it
may be top dollar for that field but
that field is notorious for having
horrible a horrible pay scale do you
like I the guy I the guy that I um
had written a story about his name was
Jamal and he basically he got a
concealed weapons permit and he said a
concealed weapons permit and a few
months as a security guard he said
having like 90 days or so I think it was
like six months as a security guard and
having his concealed weapons permit he's
like that was all the qualifications I
needed that not being a felon I mean did
you need a secure yeah
um but they run a credit check on you
and they do a felony background check
they make you take a Firearms course and
it's it's always amazed me what those
guys and ladies get paid to be
responsible for a a huge armored truck
and then all the paperwork involved
you're dealing with professional
customers every day you might go to 100
stops
you know a day
and they pay them peanuts
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with his laugh his organ donation card
lists his Charisma his smile is so
contagious vaccines have been created
for it he is the most interesting man in
the world I don't typically commit crime
but when I do
it's bank fraud
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patreon so you got you got the job and
the job it's broken up into
I mean I just know from having written
that story was it's broken up to
everybody has a different responsibility
right like you've got the driver you've
got the runner you've got the the loader
or something like the guy that loads the
machines or something I mean yeah the
the ATM people
um the basic jobs that you found that
you would find at army car company is
the very basic is the driver he knows
the route knows nothing much else he
runs the radio
and then you have we call them a
messenger he's the guy goes into the
bank
um and
the he does all the paperwork he knows
they're out forwards and backwards knows
all of his customers knows which keys
they need
and
he's basically the boss of the truck
and then a third one would be the ATM
guys and they fill up all the ATMs and
there's a myriad of other things behind
the scenes but they're but they're not
those like the ATM guys and the
messenger and Driver like they're not
they're not going out at the same time
right like they're on two different
routes right yeah they're usually on
different routes The A-Team guys usually
keeps themselves
okay
um
and once you get the money you go back
to like a warehouse like a secured
warehouse and unload the money and they
count the money and
um there's a whole separate crew that uh
counts all the money they have a money
room and the
the messenger he never actually touches
raw Cash Money never
it's always bagged with an address never
an amount
and
right so you you get your manifest in
the morning you load your truck
triple check everything
signing it off and you go out on your
route
um so but you start so you started as a
messenger no I started off as a driver
oh okay
um
I drove the Hickory Run for
close to a year
um Hickory is a little town up north of
Charlotte
okay
um and so when did you yeah I thought
you said you had become a messenger or
then you went to a map yeah there was a
I'll call it an incident at Wells Fargo
and
um I ended up becoming a messenger and
then later a vault superintendent
what I mean what was that like layoffs
or was that the layoffs or yeah they had
a a large layoff and a lot of people we
were really short-handed and a lot of
people got promoted I probably got
promoted I probably should have never
been promoted probably past driver
um to be brutally honest I was really
good at being a driver I understood the
route I knew all the safety procedures
and I was really good at it and I
probably should have never went past
that
um
so I had I have a question because like
I said the only reason I know this is
like
as money come up missing before does it
just come up missing sometimes
um
I'm sure it does
um usually the biggest thing was they
would lose coins because they they
haven't boxed up and
one of our horror stories was a bad
rainstorm got got caught in was out
taking in a load of coin
the boxes got wet busted coins go
everywhere
and they had to go out there with brooms
and
uh
uh sweep it all up that the guy
um Jamal that I did the the story on he
told me that one time a guy came and
turned in the bags right like here's you
know the messenger came in here's the
bag game he said he scanned them all in
and like the
the the Manifest or whatever he's like
okay you're missing a bag
you're missing like 60 Grand he said the
guy had been there like three years and
he was like
no he goes yeah he said yeah look shows
him and he goes huh so he goes back and
he's like let me check the truck goes
back in checks the truck comes back he
is it's not in the truck he's are you
sure he was just telling you says you're
supposed to have eight bags you got
seven like he's like oh wow and he said
okay he goes
he said so he makes a note he said I
could still figure it out later I don't
know he said made a note turned it in
explained the whole thing guy went home
guy came back the next day they talked
to him he's like no I mean yeah they say
they called the branch they were like
you picked it up he's like what should
be here it just acted like I don't know
and he ended up not getting like they
didn't fire him they were like it's just
I don't know what happened they kept him
on like he just locked I want to say it
was 60 Grand but it may have been 30.
um I know I know there was two different
events then he said and he said that
like they literally kept him on he was
listening he was about two weeks later
he shows up on a brand new twelve
thousand dollar motorcycle
and I was like I was like no he said I
swear he is one eye he is I remember
looking at him going nice bike you know
this yeah you like that and just kept on
walking like yeah and he's like like I
just took him for this they didn't
nothing happened to him now another time
there was he said there was a woman
same basic thing
but she had pulled up
and so when they checked the when she
showed up same thing I'm missing money
they were like that's weird
they went back and checked the the um
surveillance and she had stopped the
vehicle got out went to her car and came
back
and they were like no something's wrong
so they actually called the police went
to her car and found the money she was
fired and he goes but the thing is he's
like I don't they recover the money
because they just fired her they didn't
press charges or anything because they
don't want the publicity right they
don't want that in the news they don't
be in the news at all
um one of the one of the things I do
remember is we had a a messenger he went
all around he went for like five or six
stops on his route and I think there was
like 175 000 cash there was a little
spot on the back bumper in this bag
big cloth bag fit right in that little
Nook right and he rode around I think it
was Moore's full I'm not sure but it's
somewhere in Western North Carolina he
rode around for like an hour and a half
with 175 000 on the back of on the
bumper of the truck
just did he stop did it fall off did he
stop and notice it oh he uh when he got
to his next stop he noticed and you know
but it
wow that's I mean yeah well so I mean I
know you know well I think obviously
what they want to do is they want
they want the public to feel like hey
this is a super secure industry we dot
all our uh all our eyes we cross all our
T's it's super secure or everybody's
paid Well everybody's trained they're
all professional but the truth is that's
not what's really happening
um basically on that the emperor has no
clothes right you know
um you go to uh I look back on it now
and the gun training we got was poor
um you're firing an old they used a 38
special back then and the range is maybe
seven eight feet to the Target and it's
a huge it's bigger than life-size Target
and you only need to hit about eight out
of 10 times
and you get everybody gets to fire a
shotgun
and it's it's a really sad joke it's he
he was saying uh the guy I had
interviewed he was like they tell you
like like give up the money like if
you're in a crowded place give up the
money like don't we don't want
pedestrian shot we don't don't get into
a gunfight if they show somebody shows
up pulls a gun you're in a crowded place
do you know give her the money
immediately do what they say you got a
better chance of survival blah blah blah
blah basically like tell you run away
yeah and and if the driver is watching
you because they're supposed to watch
you in the mirror not all of them do
he sees you run away he's supposed to
drive away as well
that way you lose that one stop right
and that's it
um Okay so
um so I mean what happened your your
work in there and you're you're working
overtime you're not making great pay
you're you're married you're you're you
know is your wife work yeah my wife at
the time worked okay did you have kids
no no kids okay
um what happened was over time
you know the stress of the job and the
stress of my life we just bought a house
two new cars and we're getting by but
just as long as I keep working long
hours we'll be fine
and that that started to wear on me and
you know I probably had other issues
from before and it starts to build up
and I'm getting I got desperate and then
when they came and
suggested this to me it looked like a
way out right who suggested that
um Kelly Campbell and her uh friend uh
Chris uh no one Chris who was uh
I'm probably gonna hate mail now for not
remembering the guy's name
um Chambers oh Chambers Chambers yeah
John Chambers or was his first name oh
hell Chambers something chamber yeah I
just actually just watched you know
earlier I actually I can picture him you
know um
it was like a like a uh I thought he was
like a mob guy or something but he was
actually just a small time kind of petty
crook
who'd been in prison before too right
he'd get in trouble I don't know yeah he
he well I I know that what they said was
he had actually
um he'd actually had problems with the
law before and I believe they said he
had had a a federal case before I don't
know if he did prison time but he
definitely had like a federal case yeah
I don't know
um I've never really cared enough to dig
you know what's funny is that
just talking to you like
I would meet guys in prison and they
would some guys would come to me and say
hey this guy's got an amazing story you
have to hear a story and then we go and
we'd sit down and talk and I'd take
notes and just to see if it was worth
writing a story
and they didn't know a ton of stuff
about their case like they never looked
into it like they got sentenced they
knew they got five years I gotta do five
years and then they just kicked back and
they walk the track they joined a
softball game maybe they learned to play
an instrument they read books they're
like I just kind of Whittle away this
time and they never looked into it some
guys didn't look into it because they
were just like I can't believe I'm here
I don't want to think about it and other
guys I just don't think that they
realized they could look into it and so
I would interview these guys and they
didn't if I decided to write their story
I would order the Freedom of Information
Act on them I'd get their case File I'd
get all the notes and the interviews and
I would be able to come to them and say
here's what happened remember you said
this and you didn't know why that was
here's what happened and then I tell
them what the FBI file said this person
got arrested he cooperated he told this
guy they contacted the FBI and that
that's why they were waiting for you but
you know so you not knowing isn't I'm
not laughing at you I'm just it's like
I'm amazed because I'm so super
inquisitive about everything
I would have just like I would have been
that whole five years or however much
time you know you did I would have been
looking into it the whole time yeah I
think
my attitude was it doesn't really
concern me I really don't care you just
wanted to get I just want to do my time
and I spent most of my time playing
softball reading books
um I studied a lot of psychology books
um
and red I must have read 15 20 self-help
books because I came to a realization
that there was something slightly wrong
with me and we need to address that yeah
that this was an option this was this
you know because for most people
it's which always kills me is like as
desperate as they get and I get the the
desperation because I've been I mean I'm
kind of like in this I mentioned this to
my wife all the time I'm like listen
like we're a bad car accident or a
medical issue where you know we're where
if anything goes wrong we go down like
the Titanic you know maybe we can go for
a month or two but that's it and that
worries me and and so I get exactly what
you're saying but what most people don't
think is
hey I can do this
most people don't think I can commit a
crime
um and correct this issue
and you know I think obviously that's
what separates people you know obviously
you know criminals from or people that
have Criminal Intent I think anybody
will commit a crime in the right
situation but to me my one of my first
my first thought is
fraud
here's how I'll fix it fraud you know
and then I have to now I realize that's
probably what you probably do is work a
little harder you know cut back a little
bit more
but you but Kelly came to you yeah and
she proposed the the thought you know
how do you feel about Robin Fargo and
she knew I wasn't real keen on the
company right
um
because I we had a superintendent uh or
manager threatened threatened my job and
thought I'm thinking about going going
away anyway
um
and I said you know it would it really
wouldn't be that hard it's just a matter
of what day and
understand that the weekend schedule it
would be the easiest and you'd have the
most time to get away right I said it'd
have to be on the weekend probably a
Saturday would be easiest that's when
they'll be
you know
back then the Charlotte Vault had a very
strict schedule is like every other
Saturday there's a
fairly large amount of money
in the vault cash
as opposed to
certain weekends it'd be 98 checks
back back when we used paper checks back
in the dinosaur days I still write
checks I still write them nobody else
does I haven't laughed at me I haven't
written a paper check in
that would have been back in like 2015.
if you're hipper than I am I just got
out I'm a big I'm a big guy on
convenience and utility you know
um so okay so here's the the
that my my next question is but you
didn't think to yourself
yeah we could set up a robbery or we
could a bag could go missing uh we could
get a couple hundred thousand you
thought
I can empty out the entire Vault of 17
million dollars and walk away clean yeah
um that's a huge leap well here's my
thought if you're going to break the law
and go all in all in or don't go right I
know because uh what was that movie I
think it was heat where he where the bad
guy told the cops say you think I got
born to lose tattooed on my chest I'm
robbing 7-Elevens no no no right and I'd
I'd seen that movie prior to doing this
you know he's got a point that is one of
my favorite movies it is
um from uh from my point of view as
prior military and you know seeing the
gun fight the gun battle the right
that's probably one of the
coolest running gun battles you'll ever
see in a movie most realistic and very
realistic extremely realistic yeah
because they're they're actually
reloading they're moving from point to
point
and it it goes back to military if
you're not shooting you need to be
moving if you're not moving you need to
be reloading
um yeah De Niro and and uh Pacino that's
a great mask I I want to watch that
movie again
um
um so
okay so I mean so you got so how long
does it take before you decide you know
what this is
I mean clearly your wife's not gonna be
okay with it oh no I knew I knew that
that she would she would lose her [ __ ]
if I'd have mentioned it and I'm like oh
and I I come to realization that I'm
gonna have to walk away from everything
and I'm weighing it in my head
this goes on for
uh four or five days and I go all right
I'm gonna go for it I've never done
anything outrageous in my life
this is it I'm gonna change my life I'm
gonna
probably end up down in Costa Rica
sitting on a beach
fishing
and
that's where I want to go that's what
I'm gonna do are were you thinking about
changing your identity or how how are
you gonna get out of the country is any
of that a concern and well I thought
about it backwards I thought where do I
want to go
how am I gonna get there
and I looked into the Cayman Island
Banks I looked into Costa Rica and I
looked at the FBI
and how some crime statistics and I
figured okay
most criminals stay in like a 503 or 500
mile circle of their home the cops catch
a lot of people at their mama's house
right okay
because when they people know they've
done something wrong they won't they
won't feel safe and they don't want to
leave that little bubble I'm like okay
if I get outside that bubble
my my chances increase
so I've got to get out of the country as
quickly as possible
and
well I mean for for one thing just just
leaving your home is gutsy yeah I mean
people don't realize that they don't you
know you have to walk away from
everything that every Comfort everything
that makes you feel comfortable you have
to leave and most people don't leave you
know 95 of the country never leaves the
United States you know half those ever
leave even the state that they live in
you know so so it it's you're picking up
leaving not calling not coming back not
just walking away from everything like
that alone even if you weren't already
wanted yeah and you know that's already
gutsy so so my other question is did you
think that there was going to be heat on
you did you think that the media would
get were you thinking this will be in
the news this or do you think oh
there'll be an article and that'll be it
I knew it would be a big story okay
especially for that area
um because even before I really came up
with a solid plan what I thought was a
solid plan I knew about how much money
it would be I knew it would be more than
10 and less than 20.
20 million and up I knew that would be a
huge story
there had been a a Loomis Fargo had been
robbed like a year or two earlier
of like 18 million did you know about
that yeah it was big news matter of fact
it was the
I can't remember if he robbed the
Tallahassee Branch or the Jacksonville
Jacksonville I think yeah it was the
Jacksonville branch which is where I
live now
so um and I've met that guy really he
well at the time he was he was a little
messed up but you met him after oh no I
met him like
in passing in prison oh okay and I was
like okay
um
but
he was completely different type thing
he kidnapped the dude and oh I didn't
know that yeah okay it was a mess but I
think he beat me by a few million right
yeah his was like 18. I want to say
because I remember thinking that was it
was roughly about a million more and I
was thinking yours was 17 it was 17.5
but I was thinking 17 I think they said
18. so I remember thinking it was about
a million it was roughly a million um
so
uh okay so
so uh what about Kelly like why like
everything I saw they said you and Kelly
were close that you you know you guys
hung out together
um when I first started at Fargo I was
um
friends with her driver
all the drivers kind of hang out
together and so I ended up talking to
Kelly and I ended up driving for her for
quite a while and we we just hit it off
okay so when she came to you just
trusted her you were friends but she she
wasn't there anymore though right yeah
she had quit got fired I'm not really
sure
once again it's one of those things
where it didn't concern me I didn't look
into it
so you fought so you decided you were
gonna do it you talked to her talk to
her and
um was the plan the basic plan was for
them to get me a fake ID which we did
which backlin was way easier
and what would what would what I would
do was we'd pick a Saturday
and I would basically empty the vault at
first they only wanted me to take I
think he said 250 000 and then he came
back I'll get one or two million I'm
like no
we're not doing that if I do this
I'm going to take enough money
so that I won't have to ever come back
because I won't be able to
okay
and
as it worked out
the original plan was
I wanted to get at least 15.
which worked out pretty good
um
and it's like here's your five
here's your five just make sure you
deliver my five anything that's left
after that you can have
you can keep it I only want my five
and they're oh yeah that'd be great
and I didn't know that they were already
planning to vote me off the island right
this is this is like they're almost 30
years 30 years ago close to it yeah
30 years ago yeah
um imagine if we'd have got that money
to the Cayman Islands back then because
back then the Cayman Islands were wide
open and paying really good interest
s geez you could have gotten it I mean
they would have issued a you a
citizenship and a passport probably with
just yeah like I mean they've got Saint
Kitts right now I think if you you buy a
you just buy a piece of property for
like 350 000 they'll give you a passport
um they'll make you a city an economic
they have economics yeah
um so so what happens to that day you
you just decide hey I'm gonna
you're gonna be you guys are gonna be
waiting I'll let you know when I I mean
you grab the money and what happened and
so I picked October the 4th
um I I knew about what was going to be
in the vault
and went into work just just normal
right
um I think we met one or two more times
um and we made a run to get my big
quote-unquote fake ID
um which was just a state ID
um
yeah I was gonna say the FBI when they
interviewed like your friends your wife
um uh friends from the military like
every single one of them your wife too
she was like no like nothing nothing has
changed like he is he is you know on a
schedule he's always the same behaved
like you didn't very
like even made it like a doctor's
appointment or a dentist appointment or
something you'd even made like an
appointment for like the week or two
prior to that like like you were gonna
be there like everything like there's
nothing that says this guy should not
have come home that day and everything
you know went to the grocery store did
this did that you know whatever walk the
dog took the garbage like didn't argue
there was no fight there was nothing
like everything and all of the
everything was the same and all of your
your buddies were like this is
absolutely 100
uncharacteristic of this guy this is a
guy that follows the rules this is a
hard worker this guy's conscientious
this is you know this is you know they
said if there was anything I remember
one of the guys had said that if there
was anything abnormal about you at all
they said he's kind of a loner yeah that
was it like that's like the worst that's
the worst thing they could say about you
you know he is kind of a loner like so
which I guess is to say he is the kind
of guy that he's not afraid afraid to be
alone or walk away a lot of guys have to
be social
yeah that was it I've never been a
social butterfly yeah that's um
so this is just totally out of character
and
now that I'm much older you I had to be
a cold-hearted SOB I had to be that was
the only way you had to put on that mask
and wear it all the way to the door
if cosafada acted any different the
whole world would have known right you
know because I did have a schedule I got
I went to bed at the same time I got up
I carried two sandwiches an apple or
some fruit
I mean it was almost like I had some
weird OCD you know because I carried the
same thing for lunch almost all the time
and
I'm I'm still that way I love to have a
schedule like being late today
aggravated me you have no idea and it
was everything that was completely out
of my control right because I I like to
be on time it's it's
I don't know if it's from the way I was
raised but there's something about if I
say I'm going to be here at noon
I'm going to be there 11 45 usually it's
funny my dad and I actually say the same
thing is that you know being on time is
being 15 minutes early yeah
um but you were only like 10 minutes
late
um so
so you went into work and you the trucks
come in you count the money you check it
in what were you doing that day just
checking in I was uh in charge of the
Vault and in the morning I made sure
everybody got all their all their
Loadout in the morning make sure they
had all their paperwork
sent them out and then the rest of the
day you're pretty much sitting there
listening to the radio listening to the
company radio for the trucks
um if they have a problem they call in
um
yeah you're basically just sitting there
scratching your butt right until they
start coming back and they call uh Kelly
and them they must have called me out
how many times are you sure you're gonna
go through this like yeah don't worry
about me
you know when I tell you I'm coming out
the door I'm coming out the door
um
and finally the truck started come back
and uh we had a guy that he was a
messenger and they had said hey we want
you to stay with Dave and kind of learn
it and
he'll be in charge and he'll show you
what to do and worked with him
great guy though I hate I hate I kind of
hate I did that to him but finally got
to the last bit
I said hey man if you want to take off
it's going to take me a while
if you want to take on off I got you
covered
so he leaves
and I'll mock lock up everything
um
I don't set the timer on the vault
nothing I don't I don't spin the big
wheel on it I mock lock up
go out I see his
tail lights going around the corner
I turn back around go right back in the
building
re disarm the
the security system
move my van and this is kind of where
the plan goes to [ __ ]
because I had planned on there was two
doors they were offset and one front one
at the back and I was planning on going
out the back entrance and for some
reason
oh I'll get to that but for some reason
it wasn't working that night it didn't
work that night so I had to go
but anyway I pushed uh the first bin out
there and uh it was mostly small bills
and by the time I was done
I had a pile of money that was
about three and a half four foot tall
nine feet long and weighed over a ton
the F-250 van that I was loading the
armored van when I started the the back
bumper was pretty high up on me when I
was done it was
pretty low right
so you
so then this is after every truck's
already come in dropped off the money
and gone yeah all the trucks are done
nobody's coming back nobody's supposed
to be coming back in anything you're and
you're just there alone I'm there alone
so you load up the so you loaded up the
truck you get in the truck and you just
well yeah
um and I'd scouted out and found the
security VHS tapes and I'd secured two
or three of them and I missed one
somehow they had another recorder up in
the ceiling yeah right and I didn't get
that one yeah that's I was gonna say
they they showed the footage of that one
yeah where they're like uh I guess when
the when eventually
you leave and uh they call in saying
something's wrong yeah uh you know when
they show back up the next day or later
that you know I think it was the next
day they show up the next day and they
start caught people start calling in you
know your wife's calling in if people
are calling in they say you know he
didn't show up
um there and and everything's open yeah
so they're like it's completely wide
open when the FBI or the detectives come
and the FBI they find that tape and I
guess
they had to wait for a manager somebody
to come and open uh the back to find the
tape but when they find it yeah the
manager
or I don't know what he was the you know
I'll say the manager of the place when
he saw that it was you because they
assumed you'd been kidnapped somebody
had taken the money kidnapped you they
were concerned that you were were hurt
because certainly he certainly had
nothing to do with it
um and so when they saw you they said
like the manager if you you got to watch
it the manager is like oh my God he's
like that's David Gantz that's David
that's like they were like he kept the
FBI officers like that's he kept saying
it over and I'm like oh my God like he
was absolutely in shock yeah that you
were that he was watching you load the
vehicle and and to buy myself time I
stole almost all their keys right yeah
that slowed them down oh yeah a lot
slowed him in also when they eventually
found the truck yeah
law enforcement often questions him not
because he suspected of a crime but
because they find him fascinating he is
the most interesting man in the world I
don't typically commit crime but when I
do it's bank fraud
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what happened when you left there where
did you go when you left with the truck
let's see what was the name of that
place it was some sort of aluminum
recycling place where we met and they
had rigged the gate that when I pulled
up they would open
and I got out
and the sky comes walking up on me
and he says don't worry I'm with you
just give me the keys I I hand him the
keys and this becomes important later I
say this is the keys to the van they
open all the doors don't
don't put it in the Box the big box of
keys
okay because I had a box in between
front seats
filled with every key in Wells Fargo
okay
this we'll come back around to this this
becomes important later
and I get I've already got my my little
bit of money I'm going to take with me
because I I didn't know how much money I
could get through a metal detector with
at the airport I was unsure
you know so I I didn't take that much
money so Kelly and I get in her truck
and we go to Columbia South Carolina
where
they've got an airport I didn't know at
the time that their Airport closed at
like
nine
so I ended up scrapping plan a going
Plan B hop on a bus in Columbia South
Carolina go from Columbia South Carolina
to Atlanta Georgia
hop on a plane in Atlanta from Atlanta
to New Orleans
New Orleans to Cancun Mexico
and you just and back then you didn't
need a passport right didn't need a
passport so you're out of the country
before they even know the place has been
robbed
I'm eating lunch in Mexico by the time
the news breaks
um
so what was the they were supposed to
get you five million five million yes
okay
um and how much did you leave with
probably about 45 or 50 000 their
balance Okay so
you so what what when did you first see
that it was on the news
um I had
since I was in Mexico I had to actually
kind of dig
and I found
um what was it
I found a newsstand they had
might have been in New York
yeah the New York times
and they had
it wasn't it didn't make the front page
not for them
um and I found a little blurb about it I
thought okay we're good because I didn't
think it was that big of a story
I thought all right good I mean I knew
the FBI would be after me
but I didn't think that I was pretty
sure they wouldn't go digging into
Mexico hard right but it it it it became
bigger later right like it did it when
they started looking yeah
okay um and that that takes us back to
um
you know the van that they left with
three million in it I think it was yeah
they had an issue moving all there was
such a bulk because most of the money
was in 20s right yeah so it was so there
was so much mass to it that they
couldn't move at all yeah and they left
like three and a half million in the in
the what kills me is that they didn't
come back for it yeah like they just
left it yeah why would you leave money
on the tables right exactly why wouldn't
you I mean go remove the money dump the
money that you've got come back nobody
even knows it's gone yet yeah yeah well
they weren't the brightest no they
weren't and to be honest neither was I
but
well you know I mean so do you know what
the issues were once you were in Mexico
do you know what the issue why you know
why they got onto them so quickly
you were saying you've never you've
never really watched any of this stuff
well my guess is this
we live in a small town
if you go from a double wide
right
to a more demand dollar mansion in
paying cash paying cash and you go from
driving a hoopty to drive in a beamer
you go from a cubic zirconium to an
actual diamond
people notice yeah
and this guy tried to pass himself pass
himself off as a profession former
professional football player right
and
I don't know what you know about the
what
football fans and
you know people are rabid fans about
their their football yeah they knew he
wasn't a cowboy from any season yeah he
he um
his wife was telling her so they
actually moved from the small town where
they were in they moved to not far yeah
from where uh where the Loomis building
where you'd Rob the Loomis building and
you know and they it was and it was
already a little town but it happened to
have a a this really nice gated
community and they bought that house
there with cash and when I say with cash
I don't mean like you know we typically
people will say oh I get paid it cash
paid for it cash
doesn't mean you paid for it in one lump
sum with a check it's literally this guy
paid in cash so that raised huge red
flags oh yeah it would his wife
um what was his name again
oh chamber Chambers Chambers wife let's
shoot if I I thought you were gonna know
all these or I would have I would have
written a list out so his wife starts
trying to launder the money and
literally walks into a bank opens up a
bag of cash and says how much of this
can I deposit before I have to fill out
that the paperwork for the government
and the woman says like you know well up
to ten thousand she goes okay she's
listen it's not Drug Money
like everything that you could have said
that is going to get a suspicious
activity report filed on you you've just
said drug money how much what's the
what's the maximum limit that nobody
won't be reported I mean everything that
right then it's like this is so overly
suspicious
and of course they immediately fill out
a a report and not just that but people
start calling friends of their start
calling saying or you know friends
starts calling saying listen
Loomis was robbed and these two
Knuckleheads were living in a double
wide they just bought a multi-million
dollar mansion in this small town with
cash they're driving expensive vehicles
and the guys a knucklehead
you know and somehow or another he's
come up with all this cash yeah
so immediately the FBI get onto them oh
yeah very quickly and it's no surprise
to me right and then they they watched
them for a while
and it became so overwhelming that
something was wrong they convinced a
federal judge to give them allow them to
start listening to their to their phone
calls
and then when they and then they they
had watched long the FBI officer said
look we listened long enough that the
search warrant is only good for so long
yeah that it was about to expire
you know whatever whether it was a they
got a 30 day or 60 I don't know but it
was just about to expire when Kelly
received a page or a phone call from you
and
you had
a um scheduled a time and one you had
you needed more money so they were
trying to arrange to send you more money
and two they had arranged a time to for
you to call a pay phone
um and
but she wasn't there she missed the
appointment or something because you
know I guess she had better things to do
than try and maintain the the
um the robbery which is a big problem
for criminals they they once they get
the money they forget about maintenance
so but the I guess they said the FBI was
waiting they had a tap on the phone you
called she wasn't there the office one
of the FBI officers walks over because
they needed to hear you yeah walked over
grabbed the phone and listened and said
hey hello and then you said something on
the phone where they heard your voice
and then they were like you know I
forget I think he said like you said
something you had a little brief
exchange and they hung the phone but
they were like that's him like we we've
got him but you hung up so fast they
couldn't get a trace yeah
um
one of the things that's never come out
in the inner in any of the interviews is
I'm on the other end and I'm timing our
phone right phone calls I bought a
really expensive watch just for this it
was one of the extravagances I did I
bought a nice Omega
was it
I've mastered my my memories stretched
then but it was a nice Omega watch
um and I'm watching the time every time
we talk
and I'm keeping it around two to three
minutes
um yeah I was gonna say like now they'd
know where you were immediately but back
then yeah back then it took them time to
trace it especially out of the country
oh yeah back then
um uh this goes back to me doing my
research I found out that they they
could trace a phone but it took them two
and a half to three minutes right
um and
like I said outside the country even
longer because they've got to contact
the country and
deal with in fact dealing with Mexican
government back then would have been a
nightmare I'm sure so what were you
thinking when you're in Cancun you're in
Cancun you're hanging out
how long has it been and and what are
you waiting for are you waiting for them
to figure out how to bring you your
money
yeah what's what's what's going through
your head well I'm in Cancun and I'm
moving from place to place
and
I'm starting to get concerned
that this should have been easy
you can smuggle anything you want into
next to Mexico yeah easy going south
easy easy as pie
and I'm like all you got to do is box it
up
send it UPS
and easy peasy stick it in the car
they're not stopping cars going into
Mexico you just drive down here
could have bought a hoopty
an old station wagon van whatever
filled it up drove it down done deal
forget about me so all right but that's
not happening what what what is
happening do you know do you
um the gist of it is they've had a
meeting
and they've decided they're going to
kill they're going to kill me right and
he's gonna hire he's got a buddy
McKinney
and they're gonna hire him he's gonna go
down to Mexico and kill me
right and the FBI hears this the FBI
hears this
and that that's when they
really start looking to figure out
exactly where I'm at in Mexico right
because they have a bigger issue now
yeah now it's not okay there's some
missing money we can print the money
again there's Insurance there's a now
somebody's gonna get killed and they
realize also that you know there's
bigger players involved and more serious
players where you were doing something
that was non-violent you were taking
advantage of an opportunity these guys
are ready to start killing people they
think they're gangsters I went out of my
way to avoid violence right you know I I
didn't because and I know this sounds
hypocritical of me none of that money
was worth a drop of human blood right
I would have set the money on fire
before I would hurt somebody
so so what so at what point or do you
know that they're obviously they're
they've got their their phones
um tapped and they're listening do you
know what happened that and how did they
the FBI figure out where you were
um
I'm not sure exactly but I'd move down
to Cozumel and Plato Carmen and we're
getting towards the end of it see that
would have been January or so
that year uh
and
I'm talking to Kelly Campbell and I hear
a second click after she hangs up
and we'd had a conversation
later listen I told her I told them your
phone's tabbed I heard a second click
because that was one of the telltale
signs back in the olden days that your
phone was tapped
um you could hang on just a second and
you'd hear hear them hang up and go
click and then you hear a second click
right and the tap would be broken yeah
because the the
you know the line was still alive it was
really like a second person yeah holding
the phone in the same room yeah so they
had to wait and you'd hang up and then
they'd hang up yeah back then it was
very analog right and
so now I'm thinking something's not
right
and
McKinney had come down to Mexico and had
brought me some money
brought me like seven excuse me seven
eight thousand bucks
which made me suspicious the way he
acted made me suspicious and the the
cherry on top of the cake was after he
left
one of the guys one of the Mexicans he
was working with came by my apartment
his nickname is Gordo he's a big guy
um and he says you you know that this
guy is planning on killing you
I'm like that
I was shocked and I tipped the guy
handsomely you were shocked shocked okay
I mean because to me it made
of a very naive it made no sense
there was plenty of money for everybody
right why not just pay you and just pay
me and forget about me I mean they're
they're from their perspective and I'm
only I I'm only saying this because I
I've watched you know the
um the documentaries and the the FBI
agent was saying he's like the problem
is is that from their perspective
they're thinking everybody knows you
took the money nobody knows and from
their mind obviously FBI does know but
they're thinking everybody knows that
Gantt took the money
but they don't know who we are yeah so
if if he dies then it dies with him he
took the money they find some money they
assume he's hidden the money they'll
never get to us of course they already
had gotten to them yeah they didn't know
that so they're thinking
you know cut off the the head of the
snake and then you know the whole thing
will die down you know not that I think
you not that I think that's a Justified
reason but but you're not it was their
reason yeah
um
but
I don't know I I think I I took it
personal for a long time and I'm working
with that I'm working processing through
that feeling of disgust but oh that's
that's a whole different story
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um
um so what what what happened so the guy
tells you that what do you think are you
thinking I'm [ __ ] I'm out of here or
um weirdly after this every time I meet
he was calling himself Bruno
um every time I meet Bruno it's in a
very public place and I've I've bought
myself a knife and sharpened it up every
time we meet it's in public
face to face
and I don't let him
you know close to me
and we end up uh staying in Playa del
Carmen he'd brought me some money
and this is right there at the end of it
and I'm at the
Turtle La Tortuga Hotel on the FBI
picked me up
they had how did that happen
um
it was weird because it was a very
touristy town
um
during the week
there's no gringos right you know I was
an oddball
and then when there were three more
Gringos in town it was a little strange
and I noticed them I even talked to one
of them at one point
and eventually I'd gone out to do
laundry
and they thought I was making a break
for they thought I was running and they
caught me coming back to the hotel
and uh
the FBI agent comes up says hey Mr Gantt
I know who you are duh
and you're under rest and
that was the beginning of the end so to
speak
um had
had
um Kelly and everybody already been
arrested at that point yeah they had
already arrested them
um around them rounded them up they were
I think they had even got a Bruno at the
same time I I want to say and and I
don't know this I do remember
and it's funny because I I only watched
a bit a few bits and pieces I'm really
remembering this from seeing it 20 years
ago
um I want to say that
um
Chambers they grabbed him and he told
them where you were I could be wrong I
do know that when they grabbed him he
immediately oh yeah he immediately
rolled over on he rolled over like a
hard-boiled egg right so so they may he
may have been
he may have told them exactly where you
were you know for all for all I know or
maybe they had been tracing the phones
and they had figured out by that point I
I don't know but but they grabbed you
um did they they bring you to up to a
local police a police station or did
they bring you straight to the airport
like no they broke me
um a spent the night
with the Mexican uh federales
and they
were going to
Big Air quotes here Deport me from
Mexico
okay
and they put me on a airplane flight
that just happened to have
two FBI agents
all right
so okay so they don't need extra diet
um so you show up back and did you
where'd you fly into
um
flew I think we went straight to
Charlotte
okay
you're processed in by the uh Marshalls
Marshalls right there in Charlotte
Mecklenburg and they put me on the sixth
floor which is like their version of Max
okay
um because the story had had exploded
right
um
um
what so when you know when the did they
explain to you hey these guys
they're gonna kill you oh yeah uh me and
the FBI agent had a long
long we actually became friends oddly
yeah he he seemed like look like I've
watched a lot of these like he he
genuinely seemed to to like you and like
he like I've never seen one of these
where they just didn't have is that they
had a lot of bad things to say about
Chambers they had they really portrayed
them as just being bumbling idiots but
he none of the FBI interviews portray
you as anything other than just being a
nice guy who was frustrated with his
situation and saw the opportunity and
took it yeah like that's how they and
that's not far from wrong right
um I see myself I
as an opportunist
and I think most humans are opportunists
if they in the right circumstances in
the right circumstances anybody would
have done what I did
um so
so when you come back you have a long
conversation with them like what's the
conversation what
um
it I
told him my version of the story and he
asked more and more questions and I I
think one of the things that kind of
impressed him about me
this is I'm gonna make a huge assumption
here is I explained my logic behind
everything and how I looked at the crime
itself and told him about my research
and he's like you you thought you put a
lot of thought into I'm like yeah you
guys are easy to beat
on any given day
you you approach every crime this exact
same way it's a chess game if I know
that you're going to lead with your Pawn
out in front and then a knight's coming
behind it
I can figure out how to beat your ass
have it you you can't account for you
can't account for the the non-million
other things yeah that can go wrong yeah
I said I always say whenever people say
well if you ever think about crime I'm
like or do you think you could get away
with what you did
um today I I always think yeah I can my
my problem is you cannot account for the
fly in the ointment yeah like you just
there's just there's just no accounting
for someone screwing up yeah or a
mistake or you know in this case like
had had Chambers had they gone with the
plan let's let's Let Them Sit down there
wait a month or two give them some money
wait a month or two bring down a couple
million wait a couple made another month
bring down a couple more million because
you never know if you're gonna to me I'd
be afraid what if I get pulled over by
the police they search the car they get
the money
um I would have been more like hey let
me bring you a couple million wait a
couple million bring you the last
million and you're good you know had
they done that then and you know maybe
you do get caught later maybe you go to
Costa Rica maybe something happens you
get caught later but at least they've
followed that portion of the plan yeah
um but you know that but you can't
account for what happened with them was
from the very get-go they decided to
double cross you yeah how are you going
to figure that out how do you know that
yeah how do you foresee that and I'll
I'll look back on it in Hinds like if we
got that money into a Cayman bank
account
all of it
and
you could he could have lived off the
interest easy I think the interest would
have been
75 80
000 a year
if there was no inch if you put five
million dollars into you know if you put
five million dollars and lived off of
fifty thousand dollars you could live it
for fifty thousand dollars in the Cayman
Islands yeah you might as well be making
three hundred thousand dollars
um but
so
okay so so what happened with a you end
up taking a plea I mean you can't go to
trial yeah that's stupid
um almost no one that gets uh goes to
Federal Court almost everybody takes a
plea of some sort yeah yeah it's they've
got like a 97 uh collection rate
um unless you got big bucks you can't
fight the government now all right
that's all right listen I always say
look even if you're guilty you got a 50
chance of being found I mean even if
you're not guilty yeah you have a 50
chance of being found guilty oh yeah so
so what what what did you end up taking
what was that yeah see
96 months it was like just a little over
six years
okay did you take art app was there an
rdap program a drug program oh to knock
a year off
I'm not no obviously you didn't take it
I didn't they didn't have it um because
they they told me oh there's no drugs in
your case you don't get this and so I
got your standard issue uh good time 80
the 85 or whatever yeah and uh did you
do all of it and I did all of it and I
ended up going back because when I got
uh I realized that the halfway house was
just an extortion
um just a way for the for
someone attached to the government to
rob you I basically said
and I went to I went to my hometown and
when I when we got down to Jacksonville
they arrested me to me right back to
Butner and I did my the last six months
in special housing
did you get uh home confinement I mean
not home sorry you got probation right
yeah supervised release yeah how much
supervised release two years
um
and basically
um
as soon as I got out and I got a job and
after a while the probation officer
didn't didn't even care to see me they
had they had so many other basket cases
bouncing around that part of Florida
that the the dude just showing up and
working every day they didn't they they
weren't even worried about me yeah
that's that's usually yeah um
usually how it goes if you don't give
them any problems they don't yeah
they'll leave you alone they got enough
guys giving them problems um
I was gonna say
um
so you got what what are you doing now
uh I'm a heavy equipment operator for a
construction company in Jacksonville
um Petticoat Schmidt I've been there
eight years and I've been uh in
construction for about 15 or 17. okay
um
yeah I miss uh so
I mean
okay so have you ever talked to the
um I know you did an interview when you
got out of prison yeah
um but
you know did you have you ever seen the
FBI agent or spoke with the FBI agent
um I met Mark the FBI agent at the
the premiere of masterminds the movie
that they did and we just picked up our
friendship like before mayor's wife she
was really nice
took a selfie with me
um and I've I've never wished him any
ill will right yeah I mean he's just you
know he's just doing his job he's doing
his job and he's one of the few
government mostly when we think about
government employees we don't think real
highly of them but he was actually out
there doing his doing the job that we
pay him to do yeah it's I would say the
the there were
there were some nasty there was a there
was one net really just nasty FBI agent
on my case and you know the other ones
were just like they're just it's kind of
like the guards yeah it's like the
guards that are there that are just like
when you know I'm sorry CEOs when you go
to prison like some of them are just a
complete sadistic [ __ ] yeah and the
other ones are like listen man this is
just a job like I just want to come
punch the clock sit down please don't
bother me yeah you know let me get out
let me do my thing let me go home like
those are the guards that are great even
if they're enforcing the rules I don't
mind that you enforce the rules but you
don't have to be a dick about it yeah
um so yeah I had some of the Secret
Service agents and FBI agents that were
totally cool I was totally cool with
them and then there was this one that
was just a complete jerk seems like
people always won you know yeah yeah
it's it's always yeah that's the one
that makes them all look bad yeah
um
well okay so and and now and so why are
you why are you in Tampa
there's a a charity here in Tampa it's
called forgotten angels and they help
young people who have timed out on the
the adoption
uh
program
um they've gone through their whole life
uh bouncing from house to house a lot of
them you know and when they turn 18 the
the adoption houses I'm not sure what
the correct term is they don't have
anything to do with them so a lot of
them end up out on the street right A
lot of them turn to drugs or crime or
whatever and this this organization uh
works with them helps them helps them
get their geds get some education get a
driver's license
job skills and they help them get back
on their feet
and when I heard about it I'm like
that's something I can get behind you
know these a lot of these people that
they're helping never got first chance
and here I am with
several chances in my life and you know
if I can come down here and spend a
little money with them and you know buy
a t-shirt whatever and it helps these
people it helps these young people
I don't mind it right I I actually wrote
a story about a kid named uh
um
Jacob Diaz and he was foster care and
when it turned like I want to say 18 or
19 he just they basically were like hey
well you know you got to leave next week
and yeah he was like what yeah here's
the garbage bag put your stuff in it get
out and he was just like he was like
actually and his foster family was like
he was like like or the where he was
staying he's like everybody was really
nice to me but nobody had even prepared
me that this is something that's
happening and he said I guess I should
have known that but I like this was my
home and it just one day it was like hey
bro like you know next week you're
leaving right what do you mean I'm
leaving where am I going I don't know
where you're going but you're the key
can stay here you can't stay here right
you know in a lot of those places the
the kids they take take in are just a
paycheck yeah each kid is valued at
whatever and they when that check ends
you're they have no use for you yeah and
uh all right
in a country like America that this goes
on that this happens and from our
government
screws up a lot but this this could be
easily fixed you know a program to help
they can improve that program easily
yeah just ease them back into society
get a job get a that there's what's
funny is like there's it's there's lots
of jobs like there's lots of jobs and
there's lots of jobs that you can make a
decent living in and prepare and and
take care of yourself you know but if
you don't even know they're out there
and you're not being prepared to to
to um kind of acclimate yourself into
society or ease yourself into society to
just be have it thrust upon you you're
not prepared for that as an 18 year old
yeah and they can do the same thing with
the prison system and and after I've
told people well
yeah you want prison be harsh
cool all right I get that
what kind of when they come out what
kind of that guy's gonna be your
neighbor yeah what kind of neighbor do
you want coming out of there yeah do you
want somebody that hasn't really changed
or you want somebody like one of my
greatest accomplishments while I was in
is
and I had to do it on sly because he was
in the Muslim Brotherhood and he wasn't
supposed to be associating with us
crackers
and I helped this guy he was
better than 40. I helped him learn to
read
and
to me that's one of my highest personal
accomplishments
all right you know and granted he didn't
like me
and I had no real reason to like him but
I helped him read
and what's what's funny is that people
want prison to be hard they people get
upset that I for instance I did an
interview with a guy the other day
um and somebody in the comments section
because the guy ended up getting like a
master's degree or it was a master he
got a college degree I think he was
trying to get us Masters but the guy was
upset because he had gotten a college
education while in prison now Grant I
think I had like 20 something 25 I think
he did 25 or 26 years yeah so they was
upset like I can't believe that he's
being taken care of and he got an
education and the my thought was
the likelihood that he gets an education
and gets out of prison and goes back is
very low yes if he doesn't get the
education there's a damn good chance he
goes back to prison oh yeah so are you
going to [ __ ] about are you bitching
because about recidivism or are you
going to [ __ ] because he got you're
giving him an education because you got
you can only pick one to [ __ ] about so
if you don't give him the education he
goes back and now you're bitching about
him going back to prison or do you or
let him get a get a job become a a
paying tax paying Citizen and not go
back to prison so you know pick your
battles bro like yeah and he's he just
did 25 years is that not enough for you
yeah so but yeah so we talk about that
me and this guy uh boziak that it really
all not everybody but some of the guys
talking and it is it's a the the
re-entry program is horrible yeah like
like the idea that you know like me
getting out I got out of prison had I
not been preparing the entire time time
while I was in prison to get out of
prison
I I literally would have gotten out with
no money seven months halfway house
they're taking what 35 yeah of
everything gross yeah gross so basically
you're making less than a dollar yeah
you know now me
I was I made it I try to make it a game
to to to
save as much as I could and live you
know like I ate the baloney sandwiches
every day I ate all the free meals I
never paid like you could pay to upgrade
and get a hamburger if you want to like
I'm not paying nothing yeah so I'm
getting the bologna sandwich whatever
you give me for free I'm sleeping here
I'm buying I'm going to Walmart and
buying the cheapest stuff and I still
got lucky because I happen to have sold
an option and they opt reopened it and I
got a check couple weeks after I got out
I happened to get a check for a few
thousand if not
I don't know what I would have done oh
yeah and I had seven months to prepare
but you're starting your entire life
over that's difficult and if you don't
plan at all you're oh yeah rude now if
you're not a planner and you're not
bright enough to know this is coming
which most people just aren't no and
it's not about being smart it's having
well it takes a little
but to plan ahead and
if you don't if you're not a planner
right then you're you're done right and
listen and anybody that thinks that
there's some counselor in prison
like hey you need to think about this
you need to listen those counselors
don't want to see you at all they
despise you oh God yes and it's obvious
too it's like
you know but they're like well Mr Gay
you need to program the blah blah I'm
like
you want me to take the GED I graduated
high school right I've I've been in the
military I can read right I can do
advanced math
you've got nothing to offer me
and that they've that just all of that
just
they wanted me to work in unicore I'm
like
yeah for I don't owe y'all a dime I got
angry back at them I'm like I don't owe
you nothing I had a counselor one time
tell me
that because one of my Chargers was
identity theft she said
um identity theft she went you know she
said I think she is I think people like
you oh it identity theft and fraud she
is I think people like you should be
strung up by the by the um by the
flagpole and I said well thank God they
don't do that yeah and she just you know
and she was like she just she was just a
nasty person luckily over time she ended
up liking me but for the first listen
for the first five years like five years
it takes a long time to win someone over
yeah you got to be working at it after
five years she started being civil yeah
um that's oddly not an uncommon attitude
from them yeah it's like we we should
have probably just shot you shot you I'm
like geez maybe you should have it been
cheaper and but then you'd be out of a
job
um you know I would just say it's funny
because even the guys we were talking
about where I was saying they just come
and it's just a job and they leave
um even them although those are the
guards I liked because you know they're
just enforcing the rules and they're not
they have nothing in it there's no skin
in the game they're still not going to
go above and beyond no and the status
quo is make sure they don't you know
count them feed them but and that's it
like as far as preparing them to go back
into society they're like ah they're
grown men they're they'll figure it out
they could have figured out how to live
and function and Society to begin with
they probably wouldn't have been here
um and I this is kind of weird but I
look at
is prison
people getting out of prison is an
untapped resource these people show have
shown that their self-starters a lot of
them are natural entrepreneurs
why not harness that I I used to teach
the real estate you know the ace courses
yeah I used to teach the real estate one
and I used to go in there and I would
say listen real estate is the one thing
that you guys can train because most of
85 percent of the guys in my class were
drug dealers yeah I was like it's the
one thing that you got you that the drug
dealers I said will exceed at yeah
because you're Hustlers yeah and they
understand that it's
um I was helping a buddy of mine do a
math class and we had 20 or 30
former drug dealers and he was they were
struggling with fractions I'm like dude
you guys have dealt how much is an eight
ball
yeah oh that's an eighth there you go
you've been using fractions your whole
life and once that clicked in their head
man they took that that next math test
and blew it out of the water I used to
love they would say um well I can't do
it I can't really I can't I'm not smart
enough to figure this out I'm like
really really you can tell me the
starting lineup of the Super Bowl you
can tell me how much all these people
make how much this actor made or this
this um rap star you can tell me like
you know the stats for every single
person playing in the NBA but you can't
remember this stop it bro like don't
don't give me that [ __ ] like that's a
that's a cop-out and you know eventually
yeah they I ended up teaching the uh the
sld class and GED it was the same thing
I had a guy that I always think this is
tragic I had a guy that had taken the
GED and failed it like twice two or
three times not a not a stupid guy yeah
like he just he couldn't pass the essay
portion so they sat him in a room with
me for about a week
we wrote multiple essays I gave them a
very simple formula he went back and
passed the GED and including the essay
portion and uh I was always like like
that's great like wow I did I know so I
noticed yourself I felt great about that
he died about two weeks later
massive heart attack
but you know he you know so it's not a
great story it's not a great story but
you know but I hear you I hear you
um
so
okay I mean I feel I feel like you know
I feel like I've uh I've gotten
everything I get out of you uh what I
mean you can you you can think of
anything else you want to say or
clear up or well I I think the biggest
thing I learned
about prison
is if you have to go
don't waste your time
apply yourself pick up a book
um I spent
years reading psychology books self-help
books
um and just reading in general from
everything from Small Engine of repair
to science and history and
don't be the guy that spends your time
living on your bunk
did you did you kind of have a plan for
what you figured you were going to do
when you get out
um
I had a general idea that I wasn't going
back to North Carolina
and I wanted to get away from anything I
had to do with security
and I wanted to work outside
um
and I just wanted to change my life
and so that's why I started looking at
psychology books and self-help books and
I had to fix I had to fix Dave
first before that or everything else
would fail
okay I mean I mean trust me I feel the
same way like when I ate I had a when I
started writing like I my Memoir writing
in my Memoir and reading about writing
and reading about
the the things in your past have helped
shape you and
um
and and reading about that makes you do
a lot of self-reflection and to me
that's like at that point I had like a I
would say it's like it was like a
fundamental shift in my attitude I went
from it was everybody else's fault to no
it's my fault it's my fault I [ __ ] up
I screwed up right
and then you have to go okay where do I
fix this right why did I [ __ ] why am I a
walking can of worms right and then
figure it out yeah I have a buddy Pete
who always says you you cannot come to
prison and continue to behave the way
you did
prior to prison and not expect to come
back yeah you know and then that was
really high guys took that to heart and
um so yeah I and now now I'm here with
you this was David gant's story and I uh
one I appreciate you coming by obviously
and um I appreciate you guys watching
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know if you guys know this or not but
when I was locked up I wrote a whole
bunch of True Crime books and all the
books are on Amazon Barnes and Nobles
audible their ebooks check out the
trailers
using forgeries and bogus identities
Matthew B Cox one of the most ingenious
con men in History built America's
biggest banks out of
despite numerous encounters with bank
security state and federal authorities
Cox narrowly and quite luckily avoided
capture for years eventually he topped
the U.S Secret Services Most Wanted Fest
and led the U.S Marshals FBI and Secret
Service on a three-year Chase
while jet setting around the world with
his attractive female accomplices
Cox has been declared one of the most
prolific mortgage fraud con artists of
all time by cnbc's American Greed
Bloomberg businessweek called him the
mortgage industry's worst nightmare
while Dateline NBC described Cox as a
gifted forger and silver tongued liar
Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was
real estate fraud and he was the best
shark in the housing pool is Cox's
exhilarating first-person account of his
stranger than fiction story
available now on Amazon and audible bent
is the story of John J boziak's
phenomenal Life Of Crime Inked from head
to toe with an addiction to strippers
and fast Cadillacs boziak was not your
typical computer geek he was however one
of the most cunning scammers
counterfeiters identity thieves and
Escape artists alive
and a major thorn in the side of the U.S
Secret Service as they fought a war on
cybercrime
with a savant-like ability to circumvent
banking security and stay one step ahead
of law enforcement boziak made millions
of dollars in the international cyber
underworld with the help of the Chinese
and the Russians then leaving nothing
but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned out
bank account in his wake he vanished
boziak Stranger Than Fiction tale of
ingenious scams and impossible escapes
of brazen run-ins with the law and
secret desires to straighten out and
settle down makes his story a true crime
con game that will keep you guessing
bent how a homeless teen became one of
the cybercrime industries most prolific
counterfeiters
available now on Amazon and audible
buried by the US government and ignored
by the national media this is the story
they don't want you to know
when Frank Amadeo met with President
George W bush at the White House to
discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan
no one knew that he'd already embezzled
nearly 200 million dollars from the
federal government
money he intended to use to bankroll his
plan to take over the world from Amadeus
Global headquarters in the shadow of
Florida's Disney World with a nearly
inexhaustible supply of the Internal
Revenue Services funds Amadeo acquired
multiple businesses amassing a mega
conglomerate driven by his delusions of
world Conquest he negotiated the
purchase of a squadron of American
fighter jets and the controlling
interest in a former Soviet ICBM Factory
he began work to build the largest
private militia on the planet over one
million Africans strong simultaneously
Amadeo hired an international Black Ops
Force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo
while plotting to take over several
small Eastern European countries the
most disturbing part of it all is had
the U.S government not thwarted his
plans he might have just pulled it off
its Insanity the bizarre true story of a
bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for
total World nomination available now on
Amazon and Audible Pierre Rossini in the
1990s was a 20-something year old Los
angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy
and ice
he and his associates drove luxury
European supercars lived in Beverly
Hills penthouses and a dated Playboy
models while dodging federal indictments
then
two FBI officers with the organized
crime drug enforcement task force
dirty agents willing to fix cases and
identify informants suddenly two of
Rossini's Associates confidential
informants working with federal law
enforcement or murdered everyone pointed
to Rossini
as his co-defendants prepared for trial
the U.S attorney Robert Miller sat down
to debrief versina at Leavenworth
penitentiary and another story emerged
the tale of FBI corruption and
complicity in Murder
you see Pierre Rossini knew something
that no one else knew
truth and Robert Mueller and the federal
government have been covering it up to
this very day
the devil exposed a twisted tale of drug
trafficking corruption and murder in the
City of Angels available on Amazon and
audible bailout is a psychological True
Crime Thriller that pits a narcissistic
con man against an egotistical
pathological liar Marcus shrinker the
money manager who attempted to fake his
own death during the 2008 financial
crisis is about to be released from
prison and he's ready to talk he's ready
to tell you the story no one's heard
shrinker sits down with True Crime Rider
Matthew B Cox a fellow inmate serving
time for bank fraud shrinker lays out
the details the disgruntled clients who
persecuted him for unanticipated Market
losses the affair that ruined his
marriage and the treachery of his
scorned wife the woman who framed him
for Securities fraud leaving him no
choice but to make a bogus distressed
call and plunge from his multi-million
dollar private aircraft in the dead of
night the 11.1 million dollars in life
insurance the missing 1.5 million
dollars in gold the fact is shrinker
wants you to think he's innocent the
problem is Cox knows shrinkers a
pathological liar and his stories of
fabrication as Cox suddenly coaxes
cajols and yes cons shrinker into
revealing his deceptions his Stranger
Than Fiction life of Lies slowly
unravels this is the story shrinker
didn't want you to know bailout the life
and lives of Marcus shrinker available
now on Barnes and Noble
Etsy and Audible
Matthew B Cox is a con man incarcerated
in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a
variety of bank fraud related scams
despite not having a drug problem Cox
inexplicably ends up in the prison's
residential drug abuse program known as
rdap
a drug program in name only
rdap is an invasive behavior
modification therapy specifically
designed to correct the cognitive
thinking errors associated with criminal
Behavior the program is a non-fiction
dark comedy which Chronicles Cox's
side-splitting Journey this first person
account is a fascinating Glimpse at the
survivor-like atmosphere inside of The
government-sponsored Rehabilitation Unit
while navigating the treachery of his
backstabbing peers
Cox simultaneously manipulates prison
policies and the bumbling staff every
step of the way
the program
[Music]
survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons
Cult of rdap available now on Amazon and
Audible
so anything you like links to all the
book
s are in the description box