93 bodies and almost 50 years. So they
spend 700
hours interviewing Little over roughly
two years. Like all these stories, you
can see it. He loves it.
>> She had on a short cream girl.
>> So then this opportunity popped up.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to
the Murderman. Today we are going to be
talking about the Wilt Chamberlain of
serial killers. And I'm not just saying
that cuz he's black and he slept with a
lot of chicks. Okay, this guy put up
numbers. He put up Wilt Chamberlain
numbers. But like every great black man
of his era, he did not get the credit he
deserved. Matthew, tell us who Tell them
who we're talking about.
>> Samuel Little.
>> Sam Little.
>> Sam Sam Little.
>> And I'm going to be doing this entire
episode as Sam Little. Man, why come I
ain't GET A NETFLIX DOG?
>> He doesn't talk like that.
>> Why come I AIN'T GET A NETFLIX DOG? LIKE
MY [ __ ] T buddy. Like [ __ ]
Jeffrey Dama.
>> I love that when he would tell when
they'd say, you know what, what was she
scared when you choked her? Did you see
the fear in her eye? No, she she loved
me. She loved me. I loved her. When I
was choking the life out of her, I loved
her.
>> Right. No, this guy was a [ __ ]
>> Oh, face was like, "No, no, no. This guy
was romantic."
>> Yeah. Yeah. made chicks tell them that
he would he as he was choking chicks and
them he would whisper gently into their
mouths I love you.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean this guy the level of of problems
this guy had. I mean this would be a
project for a psychologist.
>> Talking about mixed signals.
>> She's clawing at me and and trying to
scream while I'm choking the life out of
her and and
>> he's killing me. But he did say he loved
me. I don't know what to think. No,
she's he's in his mind he's saying
several of them he's like she she she
wanted it. She wanted me to do this to
her. She wanted me to to to to to take
her life. She loved me. She knew I loved
her.
>> Right. Right.
>> Talk about mixed signals.
>> The thing about being at brunch the next
day and he's like she's like talking to
her girlfriend. She's like, "Well, he
was trying to kill me and he kidnapped
me, but he said that he loved me. Do I
give him another chance?"
Oh my gosh.
>> Oh man. Samuel Little, born Samuel McDow
on June 7th, 1940. This is an old head.
>> Yeah,
>> this is an old head.
>> Yeah,
>> man. What are you doing? Call me old,
MAN. I'M A [ __ ] MY FATHER. I'M STILL
[ __ ] FIVE BETTER THAN YOU.
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yeah, leave us a comment. All right,
let's get into it. Samuel McDow.
>> McDow.
>> Little little.
>> He was born McDow.
>> Yeah, he was. But
>> so he did. So I don't know if you listen
from the get-go before this kid's even
born, it's all bad. So his bad, dude.
His mother was seduced by there were
several boys that had a bet on who could
seduce
>> who could smash
>> who could smash more girls in the little
this little town and it was a little
they they called it it's a black village
black village.
>> Yeah. And and they say village and it's
very offensive. You're like this is not
Africa. Okay. Close close though. It's
Reynolds, Georgia in the early 1940s.
>> Could you imagine Georgia in third world
country, bro? It's it's metal tin shacks
literally. like a lot of people probably
didn't have plumbing and of course the
mother is like 16.
>> This is back um also when and they did
they had these areas where this was a
black town. That's what it was. It was
just a black town.
>> Black town.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So uh so anyway, and then
there was that one town. Oh gosh, what
was it? There was a lake there, Lake
Laneir, where there was a town there
initially where
supposedly
>> the rain a rain a stiff rain came and
swept away. supposedly a guy from the
town, a white woman,
and she of course told the police
>> and the town's people went in there.
They burned the whole [ __ ] town down.
They lynch him and later on in life, she
admits that it's not true.
>> How many times that happened thousands
of times?
>> Well, then eventually too, they make it
all be kind of to cover it up. Well,
that's the it was probably for other
reasons, but they ended up making it a
lake, right? They block off the
mountains, they flood the whole thing,
and so the town is at the bottom of the
lake.
>> Wow, that's fascinating. Yeah, that is.
Yeah, that's there's lots of those types
of stories. Anyway, the point is that
>> but this is the environment that he is
thrown into and he's got I mean this is
a tragedy. You know, Samuel Little,
we're not excusing anything. Of course,
he's a monster, but he was made a
monster.
>> Yeah. So, when So, his mother is seduced
by a boy who's got a a running bet with
other boys in the town how many girls
they can hit, right? They can they can
they can have sex with. So, she gets
pregnant. Of course, his father wants
nothing to do with him. the mo the his
grandmother
>> and these are 16 year olds by the way.
His mom's like 16 or 17.
>> The the the father actually to get away
from the town joins the uh one of the
black regiments in the army uh during
World War II. So he leaves
>> uh not helping at all.
>> When Sam uh Samuel's mother tries to
abort the pregnancy by drinking
tarpentine.
>> Yeah.
>> She also does something about
>> ties a rope around her belly.
>> Yeah. What? I don't even some of these
things I don't what
>> this is why look,
>> you know, I think abortion is murder,
but I I I think it's got to be safe and
legal because this is what this is what
happens when it's not legal. They tie a
rope around a woman will tie a rope
around her belly.
>> Yeah. Look, I I there certainly the
problem is is that there I I think that
there are
>> I I agree everything exactly what you
just said.
>> Maybe the government shouldn't fund it.
There there's a strong
>> No, I don't want it funded. I don't want
it funded. But what I do think is that
if it's incest, if it's
>> don't I was getting there. I was getting
there. Or if it's something that's going
to irrevocably destroy your life, you
know, or maybe incentivize having the
baby and giving it up for adoption so
you actually incentivize it, right? Like
it's it's Anyway, the the point is
either way, the whole Oh, you you only
have like I think in Florida you have
like six weeks or eight weeks. Like
>> most chicks don't even know they're
pregnant.
>> They don't even know they're pregnant
yet. Yeah. So you you got to be a little
bit more liberal with it. So anyway, my
point is in his case, he's born, the
grandmother hates his guts. She curses
him when he's born.
They they initially won't even allow him
to be given a name. The mother at some
point gets into a huge argument with the
grandmother and she kind of kicks her
out. The little girl can't take care of
him. It's a small town. Everybody knows
what's going on. She kicks her out in
the middle of the rain with the baby.
>> It's raining. It's freezing.
And the mother actually puts him down in
like a off of this little dirt road,
puts him in the and leaves him there.
>> It's like a biblical It's like a
biblical tale. He's like Moses
>> with the exception of the serial
killing.
>> Yeah. With the right
>> there is that.
>> So anyway, uh there's a this Listen, it
gets better. It is more biblical with
this guy.
>> So the town kind of beggar
>> is a black guy that has no legs. Either
he has no legs or no use of his legs. I
didn't really understand. But either
way, he's in like a wheelbarrow with
wheels. Stop it. That's so mean, bro.
So, he has to drag himself around the
town and basically he's a beggar. As
he's dragging himself in the rain,
dragging himself down this dirt road, he
hears the baby crying. He gets out of
the wheelbarrow.
>> I say wheelbarrow, it's like a whatever
a little like a what do you call those
things? Like a little
>> It's a little thing with four wheels,
you know?
>> Yeah. It's like a little
>> a wheelbarrow. It's a What do you call
it? It's a little cart.
>> Like a cart. Like a wagon. Little wagon.
Little wagon. Little wagon. There we go.
>> So he gets out of the wagon. He he on
his knuckles climbs back.
>> This is what they says. Climbs into the
back into the woods, finds the baby,
>> drags the baby back to the wheelbarrow,
puts it in the wheelbarrow because he
realizes soon as he sees it, he's like,
"This is that girl who just had the baby
who was pregnant. They don't want the
baby. We know that."
>> Takes But he knows the boy. He knows his
family. But he's gone. So he takes the
baby to the family.
>> Takes the baby to the family house. But
did that didn't want him or
>> No. No. Cuz the they the father So the
father's father doesn't really know this
is happening. I don't think that's the
that's the impression I got. Cuz when he
shows up with the f with the baby,
knocks on the door, he explains, "Your
son got this girl pregnant. I just found
the baby. They don't want the baby.
Obviously, what do I do with the baby?"
And they say, "Oh my gosh, you know,
give us the baby." They scoop him up.
>> They take him. They thank him. They send
him off on his, you know,
>> right? Yeah. He he he kind of pushes
himself.
>> Will the
>> dude that guy's forearm was shack.
>> Yeah. They probably gave him like a
sandwich or something, I would think. So
anyway, he they shoe him away and so
they take the baby and they raise the
baby, but keep in mind these these
people are they're older. It's an older
people, right? So Samuel kind of runs
the streets,
>> right? So it's his it's he's rejected by
his mother's family, but it's his
father's family even though his father
is away abandoned. The kid is away
fighting in World War II. Yes.
>> The the his parents,
>> right?
>> Samuel's grandparents take him in,
>> but they're older.
>> Yeah.
>> So he's he's basically he's allowed to
kind of just run the streets.
>> So So he's in this little town, no
money, grew up very poor. And by the
way, like as a small kid, he's already
starting to get sexual
>> desire. Yeah. Like eight years old, I
think. He says the first time he knew,
he said the first time he remembered
getting hard. And the language that they
use in this thing, they because there's
this whole doc is a two-hour doc on this
guy. There's several docs I've watched,
but this is the best one because it's
chronological.
And this it it's it's really a lot of
excerpts from uh from Samuel when he's
confessing. And I mean he's brutal
>> and he and he's blatant.
>> He's keeping it real.
>> Yeah.
>> Keep it real. I keep it real in the
[ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> You go hard.
>> He does.
>> So when he's eight, he remembers he had
a teacher that used to wear a scarf and
he said he remembered being 8 years old
watching her. She was constantly
adjusting her scarf and would rub her
neck. And he got a fascination
>> uh with necks, women's necks. And he
talks about this the whole doc. He's
like, I got my hands around her neck.
Oo. So he's he remembers watching her
and he said that was the first time that
he remembered getting hard and that made
the connection. Right.
>> There was also a little girl in his
class he mentions. He never said never
does anything with a little girl, but he
said also that she had a beautiful neck
and he used to focus on her and it used
to get hard.
>> I mean, look, a neck isn't a neck is an
underrated feature on a woman.
>> Listen, I every
>> neck and a back, dude. A woman with a
nice back. Oh, forget about it.
>> Good [ __ ] tattoo.
>> Oh, you could have a pancake ass. You
could have a pancake ass, but if your
back is toned,
>> listen, nothing like a dirty Nothing
like a dirty foot with a [ __ ] tattoo.
Stop it, bro. Stop it. Yeah. Gets me
gets me going.
>> I have to take a break.
>> All right.
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>> So,
>> yeah. Uh,
>> no. But his childhood and dude, it's it
breaks your heart because when you hear,
you know, some of the quotes, he talks
about like
>> he walks down the street feeling
rejected, right? He just wants to be
loved.
>> All the little girls are mean to him.
He's like He's like, I didn't want He's
like, "I had dirty clothes on. I had
tattered clothes. I I we had no money."
>> And this is when black people
notoriously are brutal to each other,
especially when there's a poor kid. I
mean remember go in middle school I went
to like a almost all black school that
had black kids.
>> No I I observed I weren't I observed I
watched the other guys
>> right I'm like guys how can you like
there was slavery like why aren't you
guys being nice to each other like do
you know what happened to your you know
your ancestors. I'm just like this nice
white kid. this African kid walks in,
like this African kid, right? And you
think there's like going to be some
solidarity and he's jet black and this
this little black kid, I won't say his
name. Uh he he just he turns and this he
goes,
>> "That [ __ ] is black." I mean, it was
>> like underneath the bed black.
>> He was the funniest [ __ ] I've ever heard
in my life.
>> Calling you midnight.
>> Yeah, midnight. He was the blackest
[ __ ] alive. [ __ ] I was the
blackest [ __ ] alive.
>> But uh Wow. So you can imagine in and
that was like middle class black. So you
imagine rural third world poverty black.
I mean it's just it's torture. It's
brutal. Um
>> so and and this is so it's all it's all
a confluence. It's like a perfect mix of
how you would make a serial killer.
Okay. So moving on.
>> Yeah. It gets darker.
>> He start Oh my god. We've we've we've
barely scratched Colobby. The look on
Kobe's face is like it gets darker. We
barely scratched the surface. So, uh,
when he's in about junior high school,
he goes up to Ohio. He sent up to Ohio
to live with his, uh, grandmother. Okay.
The grandmother of his the mother of his
father. I don't know why she's up in
Ohio exactly. I don't know if she moved.
I I don't get it. I don't fully get it.
So, well, okay. Sorry. I I I believe
that his his grandfather, you know,
look, there's no money in the town. So
his grandfather ends up getting a a job
working as like a fac a factory worker
Ohio.
>> He's actually up there for a couple
years before he has enough money to send
for them and bring them up there.
>> Right. Okay. So he's up in Ohio now. Um
he was that's basically where he did the
story. He was raised like he kind of
claims Ohio.
>> So while he's there he starts getting in
trouble. He starts getting in trouble
with the law. He's catching like small
petty cases and he gets sent to a boy's
home. Yeah. He gets sent to like a
reformatory school.
>> He stole some bikes. I I think he and he
and a couple other boys stole some bic
and were caught within within half an
hour.
>> No, no, they went to another town, like
a white town, and they Yeah. They tried
to steal a bicycle.
>> Yeah, I that's what I'm saying. I think
they got it for like they had it for
like 30 minutes to an hour. They're all
caught,
>> right? It was going to be like a joy
ride. Yeah. So, they they get sent to
this reformatory school
>> and uh he's sodomized there. That's the
first time he's And this is when that
was rampant in these boys homes. like
boys were just boys were raping each
other.
>> Well, what's the one in Florida? The the
is it called the White House? Uh it's
got another name. The nickname was the
White House cuz it's this massive
structure that's all white. Uh and it's
in Florida and it's got a bunch of
murders associated with it. When I say a
bunch, I mean like overund. Yeah. Have
you ever heard this?
>> Is it still open? No.
>> They closed it down, right?
>> What is it called?
>> The White House. Uh and the Nickel Boys.
There's a movie called The Nickel Boys.
Is that it? In Mariana, Florida. School
for boys. Sounds right. So they call it
the jit camp.
>> So what they would do and this was back
in the 40s50s 60s7 and I think it was
probably closed in the 70s. So because
it was what was happening was they're
sending boys there almost all the guards
are like
>> pedophiles and they are they are boys
and then if it was too brutal they if
they ended up murdering the boys cuz
they were brutal to the boys to keep
them in line or if the boys tried to run
away or if they said anything they would
kill them. And they've literally found
something like like they've had three
different tanches that they found like
they found like 40 bodies in this area
and then like five or six years later
>> they're search still searching they find
another area where there's like 30
bodies and then they find another group
where there's 40 it's it's roughly a
hundred roughly a hundred people found
in a couple different areas where these
are young boys and when their families
would show up like hey my son was
sentenced here for 3 years we haven't
heard from him in months or they'd say,
"Oh, no, no, we released him."
>> Well, yeah, yeah, he got released. He
didn't come home. We put him on the bus.
Like, that's it. Your kid, he's a bad
kid. He ran away.
>> What do you want me to tell you? He just
did three years or two years or
whatever. And that's what would happen.
And nobody's looking and the cops don't
care.
>> Hundreds of bodies
>> over a hundred.
>> I mean, imagine that you go in for
stealing a bicycle and you're murdered
by
>> now. That was the guards on there. But
in his Samuel specifically says it was
the older boys. There's no girls in this
whole thing. Not that because if there
were girls we'd be rap.
>> So u sorry that's probably not
>> it's probably a good thing boys.
>> So there but the younger smaller boys
the older boys would come would roam
around and and basically like gangs and
they would he cuz he says specifically
when they would come for you they'd
never come for you oneon-one. They'd
always come in a group. So there's five
or six guys would get you alone and they
just hold you down and they would
sodomize you and and he was like and it
was just it was brutal.
>> Well, but that's and and nowadays that
is doesn't happen. A because of you know
the enforcement of it, but b it's the
cultures change. Like you would never
rape a man openly with your friends.
That's like bad paperwork. That's that's
predatory. But back even as this used to
happen in jails like I I had a Mexican
mafia guy on. He said as as late as like
the early 70s, that was common practice
in LA County jail, not some butt [ __ ]
no pun intended, uh tiny little Ohio
dormatory. This is Los Angeles County,
right? And if you're a new if you're
fresh fish in front of the entire he his
first day this guy who you should have
on your podcast Mundo he witnessed in
front in a dorm not even a single cell
they some guy one of the boys older boys
put a knife to this this new inmate's
throat again he's probably like 14 years
old the other guy pulls his pants down
rap nobody sees [ __ ] nobody does
anything and so what does Mundo do he's
like oh I need to stab somebody
immediately
>> to let them know
>> I'm Not the one.
>> Yeah. So that was like it was like a g
like a gang beating now. Like boys
surrounding a new guy and just beating
his ass. That's how they looked at
[ __ ] sodomy back then. It wasn't like
it wasn't taboo.
>> Crazy. So this happens to Sam Little.
>> Was it get your [ __ ] your [ __ ] pushed
in?
>> Yeah. Getting your [ __ ] Oh man. Oh
that's
>> horrible. I don't know how they come up
with this.
>> Yeah. You got to talk to porn stars
before you go in there. You got to
cleanse. You got to do a full day
cleanse.
>> So you're just cleaned out. Kobe's like
he gets out. All right. Uh but this is
kind of turning him into a monster and
he and he grows to be a big he's a big
dude. He's a hulking dude. So by the
time he's 13 or 14, he's probably almost
6 feet tall, close to 200 lb. So I don't
really think this happens again cuz he
goes back into he goes back into like uh
the boys industrial school when he's
like 16 or 17. And this is closer this
is even worse than the the reformatory
school that he was at,
>> right? where he he gets
>> and I think this was when he took a
boy's butthole.
>> He became the predator.
>> He Okay.
>> So, I don't know it's then. I know that
when he's 18 for sure because remember
he meets a punk
>> that's right
>> in in the boys industrial uh uh school
that he then meets again in prison and
he takes him as his prison [ __ ]
>> As his [ __ ]
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> At that time. So, I know for sure that
was happening at that time. And that's
also when nobody bothers him again when
he goes to prison because by that point
he's learned he's he's been being
trained as a boxer,
>> right? Okay. So, this is what happens.
He doesn't actually anybody while he's
in these these youth prisons. Okay.
>> He's he's a victim. He is a victim. Uh
but the second jump he does, the second
bit, right, he's nobody nobody [ __ ]
with him because he's so big.
>> Yes. Um,
>> well, and he's and he's being trained as
a boxer.
>> He's being trained as a boxer. Right.
>> In the prison, by the way. Sorry. In the
prison. Yeah.
>> That's right. That's right. So, he it's
important to know people are going to be
shocked because this guy was and [ __ ]
for decades.
>> And he's a trained boxer.
>> He doesn't He's a virgin until he's 26
years old,
>> right?
>> He does not never kiss a girl.
>> He's never kissed a girl. He his first
lay is with his wife
>> when he gets married to
>> when he gets married. The the night of
the marriage. That's [ __ ]
>> So he's wild,
>> right? So he's traditional.
>> He's got good traditional southern
values.
>> He's a good He's a good conservative.
Yeah, he has conservative values.
>> So wait, hold on. What? You're talking
about the guy the guy who this podcast
is about.
>> He doesn't. So he's he when he he
eventually gets
>> but he does [ __ ] a boy's ass when he
goes to prison in his
>> totally different. That's a That's
totally different.
>> Does that not count?
>> Doesn't count. You know that.
>> I don't know that. If there was you I've
talked to these guys.
>> You know, gay for the stay doesn't make
you gay if it's if it's in prison.
>> I told you the other one the other
saying 6 months to the gate.
>> No,
>> if you stop doing gay [ __ ] 6 months
before you get out, you're good.
>> Yeah, he meets a girl when he gets out
after he gets out of Well, let's keep
going cuz we're not we're jumping ahead.
>> Okay, so but but that is it's important
to note that. Okay, so he gets out uh he
gets out of of the boy's home, right?
Uh, and then he tries to get a job. He
tries to get a job, tries to get a
trade, and starts boxing. So, in 1964,
when he's 24 years old, he gets released
from the Ohio State Reformatory. Okay.
Uh, and for the next couple of years, he
tries to go straight.
>> Yeah. He does work a job, a regular kind
of job, I think, for a few years.
>> That's right. And then he relocates to
Florida. His mother is living in Miami.
Now, he he reunites with his mother
after all this time. Right. Um, and now
it's about to get real weird.
>> But isn't he married?
>> That's right. He gets married while he's
still in Ohio.
>> Yes. Okay.
>> In 1966 when he's 26 years old. That's
when he loses his virginity. They almost
immediately head down to Miami because
he gets contacted by his mother,
>> right? His new wife is Jackie,
>> right?
>> So again, remember, he has not had
contact with his real mother since he
was a baby and he's 26 years old now,
>> right? So
>> he's a trained boxer at this point.
Yeah,
>> cuz it was in the uh
>> in the uh when he was probably in what
18 19 in the reformatory school where
he's being trained as a boxer. So he's a
trained boxer
>> and that's his his goal is to actually
become a professional fighter,
>> right?
>> And he's a good-looking guy. I'll he's a
stud. You see his mug shot, you're like,
damn.
>> Yeah, they mentioned that several times
like they there's lots and lots of mug
shots cuz he's been arrested god like
20ome times by this point. Just a little
tiny for just bull stupid [ __ ]
>> right? But this is when you could just
flee a state and and you know cuz he did
that. He ran.
>> You get a haircut,
>> right? Exactly. Go to the next town. He
put on a put on a British accent and
then now you're somebody new. So and he
actually did that. He was charged with
>> and uh I can't remember what year and
they just fled fled a couple of
>> states. That's after this. That's after
this. So he goes to see his mom first.
She's running a rooming house,
>> right? her his mom is running a rooming
house in Coconut Grove, uh, Florida,
right outside Miami. Uh, they go there,
they stay with her for a couple of days,
right? A couple of weeks. He want his
mom, and this is where it gets so weird.
It's, and it is necessary to talk about
these details because this all combines
with the the the soup that would become
this serial murder later on.
>> Yeah. He's not the only one with mental
problems.
>> No. No. His mom is a drunk and he
notices that shortly after they move in
with her that his mom has drilled a hole
in his bedroom door
>> and is looking through at at Sam and his
wife, right?
>> And they're not [ __ ] Sam's already uh
kind of losing interest in his wife.
He's already, you know, he's got the sex
addiction perversion. Well, and he he
also mentions that on his wedding night
when he is having sex with his wife that
the only way for him to climax was for
him to imagine him choking her to death.
>> Yes.
>> You're choking her. So, that was the
only way.
>> That shouldn't happen in a normal
marriage for at least in 5 years. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
>> That's a Yeah, that's it.
>> That's a later on kind of thing, you
know?
>> So, he uh
>> We've all been there. Honey, I'm almost
there. I'm almost there. God, just put
on an Asian accent.
Can't you wear this wig? So anyways, his
mom, he realizes his mom is spying on
him and his wife being intimate. His mom
kind of scolds him. He's like, "Why are
you not having relations with your wife?
I want grandkids." Right.
>> She keeps saying, "I want grandkids. I
want grandkids."
>> Which is funny cuz she didn't want him.
>> Crazy, right? Yeah. So later on when
Samuel comes home from a night of
drinking uh because now he's a drunk
too. He's staying out late at bars, you
know, he goes bar hopping, right? Uh he
comes home and his mother, his wife's
asleep in their room.
>> Jackie's asleep. The mom, this is the
mom. Like, you understand? I I watched
that like three times going, "No, no,
I'm missing something."
>> Oh, no. I skipped over that.
>> No, I I went back a couple times like am
I not am I not understanding this? cuz
Jackie was his and it wasn't it's his
mother that invites him to come in the
room and lay down with him
>> and she's got her blouse open. So Sam
goes into the room, gets in bed with his
mother and
>> she asks him Yeah. She asks him to suck
on her nipples,
>> right? And he said he had an image he
said he had an image uh in his mind of
him biting her nipples off.
>> He says it was okay. Yeah. for a little
bit, he said, but eventually he started
imagining biting the nipples off and
eating it. And he said, "Then I remember
it got worse because then I started
thinking about
>> eating her entire body until nothing was
wrong." And at that point, he said after
lying there for whatever a long quite a
while, he decided that this was
unhealthy.
>> He had a moment of clarity.
>> That so, you know, after about an hour
and a half,
>> he's like, I'm not sure this this feels
icky.
I think that's just right.
>> Yeah. So, after I came and my mom, I
said, "You know what?
>> This is probably inappropriate,
>> dude. This episode, this is basically a
smut porn episode."
>> Hey, wait. Can I
>> Half of this thing is going to be
censored. This is why we need a Patreon.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Cuz the whole episode is going to It's
going to sound like a rap album from the
'90s.
>> Can Can you throw this in or you you
might not want to throw it back. I don't
know. It's up to you. But I do want to
mention this cuz this is very this is
very um Ted Bundy.
>> So Ted Bundy, we've done an episode on
Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy, his mother got
pregnant when she was uh like 13 or 14
years old, 15, some very young. She then
they sent her away to have Ted. When
they come back,
Ted te Ted's grandparents tells tell
everyone, "This is our son." And he's
raised with his mother as his sister.
It's not till he's in his teen years.
>> So, he's like 13 or 14 when he finds out
his mother. I'm sorry, his sister is
actually his mother. Now, that's that
right there. It makes you just
absolutely you have no trust of anyone
at that point. not my grandparents who I
thought were my parents are now my
grandparents. So I I don't trust these
people and I don't trust my mother and
he despised his mother for that. So that
was kind of a thing. The same exact
scenario while Sam was being raised by
his grandparents he believed that they
were his parents. It wasn't until
>> and then his and then his father who
they told him was his brother came home
from the war and his brother starts to
discipline Sam.
>> Correct. like he's his father and he
starts to scold him. I think he beats
him, right?
>> And one day Sam asks his somebody from
the town cousin. He asks his cousin,
"How come they let my brother keep
beating on
>> beating on me?" And they say, and the
cousin says, "That's not your brother.
That's your dad." He goes home, talks to
his grandparents.
>> That's your daddy.
>> Goes home and talks to his grandparents
and his grandparents admit it and he's
infuriated and very upset.
>> So imagine that. So, sexual abuse,
abandonment,
uh victim, and now, oh, I just found out
my grandparents, my parents are actually
my grandparents, and my brother is my
dad. Right.
>> I mean,
>> I mean, this poor guy's mind, dude. As
your mind's developing, it's just
[ __ ] awful.
>> Yeah. The more I I research these uh um
these serial killers and their
upbringing,
the more I feel like I had I had like a
regular upbringing, you know? I mean,
like I always kind of thought my
upbringing was kind of [ __ ] up. Like
like I like my dad more and more all the
time. When I hear this stuff, I'm like,
you know, yeah, he was a drunk. He said
some things,
>> right?
>> But overall,
>> yeah, it was a great childhood. It was a
great childhood in comparison to these
guys.
>> You start seeing your parents as your
friends after like 30. That's what they
say. That's what you know. I felt the
same way. I was like, "My childhood was
so abusive. My dad yelled."
>> Oh, your dad yelled sometimes.
>> Man.
>> Okay. Really quick before you continue
on, where are you getting these
information and these stories? Does he
later admit to this? Yes, he's he's he
talked on camera to investigators for
hours for days. Days. This was not This
is He's got like almost a hundred
victims. And And here's the thing. He's
literally telling them, "I killed a girl
here 30 years ago." And and his his
recollection is amazing. He's like, "It
was in January or February of, you know,
1978. It was this area. Here's where I
left the body." And then they go to that
police department, go to the cold case
file, find the person killed in exactly
the way like he's solving cases that
they're not even looking for. And he
knows so many details about the person
that they're like, oh, he's absolutely
they're not bringing him case files and
showing him. He's telling them
>> go to this area, this, and then the the
assigned person that goes down to Miami,
goes to the sheriff's department, goes
to Col, finds it, and they go, holy
[ __ ] M there is somebody and this is
exact everything he is saying doesn't
always and really honestly
>> they call him a killer but he's not a
liar.
>> No probably 90 and great recall 95% of
the time he can remember these women's
first names sometimes their first and
last names how old they are and he even
does sketches because he learns how to
paint and draw in prison. He has
amazingly accurate sketches of these
women.
>> Mhm. Yeah. So, it's uh it's shortly
after this in the early 1970s. This is
after his boxing career, right? Uh is is
done. I think that to me when I was
studying it, I was like that might have
been the final straw, you know?
>> Yeah. Yeah. He he and he has he has his
first like professional fight and he
loses.
>> He gets frustrated, says, "That's it.
I'm done." Like,
>> you didn't lose that client because of
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One fight.
>> Yeah, he was too old, though. like he
was already like in his early 30s, you
know what I mean? So, it's just too bad.
But, uh, this is when the killing
starts. So, it's the early 70s, I
believe, cuz again, he's bar hopping.
It's he's got game. Like, he is
targeting, you know, wayward women, some
sex sex workers, but clearly he's got
some charm, some rap. I mean, you could
hear it even when he's an old man. Like,
the guy's got a mouthpiece, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's funny. He's he's
>> for sure. So, he's meeting these women
at bars and he's inviting them to hop in
his car and then they're going to go
have sex and he's going to, you know,
pay him 20 bucks or whatever. So, I
think his first victim is right outside
of Miami,
takes her out, he turns off of a uh, you
know, turns into a swamp. Back then,
Miami was not built up, so it was very
quickly you hit the swamps after you get
outside of the city limits. And she
realizes what's going on as he's he
passes her exit and then he turns down a
dark, you know, bayou road and she hits
him with some some kind of like shaving
cream.
>> Uh, magic shave.
>> Magic shave.
>> How do you not know magic shave?
>> Cuz I'm not 65 and black.
>> See? No. No. Every white guy that's been
in prison know. That's what the black
guys The black guys take magic sh It's a
powder.
>> Yeah. and they mix it with water and
they rub it on their face and then they
walk around for 10 minutes and then they
you can just wash all the hair off.
>> It's incredible. But it's poison.
>> If you're a white guy and you do it and
you leave it on for a minute, it will
burn the skin right off your [ __ ]
face.
>> Like if you think, oh, you know, there's
no difference between like blacks and
white skin. The [ __ ] there isn't, bro.
They can leave that poison on their I
see these guys walking around for 10, 15
minutes with it. I'm like, bro, what are
you doing? I tried it one time and I end
up walking around with these burn marks.
They look like road rash all over my
face for a minute.
>> It's amazing.
>> So, it's just funny to me that he had
magic shave just sitting in his car.
>> Yeah. So, yeah,
>> she throws it in his [ __ ] eyes and
screams and jumps out and bolts.
>> Bolts. But, uh, she's got But, bro, Sam
is 63.
>> Yeah.
>> And he's a beast.
>> And he's back. Yeah.
>> Boy, boy, you should have seen MY 100
MINUTE DASH BACK THEN, BOY.
>> YEAH.
>> SCOOT OVER. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE
GODDAMN OLYMPICS.
>> COUPLE OF quick strides, grabs her,
slams her in the ground.
>> Yeah. Chokes her to death.
>> Chokes her to death. It drown drowned
her in
>> in water, right? Like her after she
loved her drowned.
>> So shoves her head in the water and she
drowns
>> and then tries to dig
>> a grave with his hands
>> and gets frustrated cuz he's like, "The
ground was just too hard and I couldn't
do it." And he said, "So he just left
the body." He said he never even tried
to to dispose to to to dig a grave after
that.
>> Right.
>> Right. Yeah. He he was just leaving
these bodies.
>> Yeah. He's throwing them on like he'd
like throw them on a [ __ ] a garbage
pile or a bunch of one one of them. It's
like a a bunch of tires. Like a pile of
tires. He takes the woman and throws her
on the top so she's spread out laying
dead on the pile of tires.
>> Mhm.
Yeah. Not exactly uh an artist. No. Not
like the BTK. neatly neatly laid out in
weird satanic poses. No,
>> no, he's
>> he's tossing her body like a like a
piece of garbage, like a piece of trash.
>> What's interesting, too, is he mentions
this to the detectives. Uh, might as
well mention it now, is that he mentions
to the detectives that he's talking to
when he asked him like, "How do you pick
your victims?" Uh, he said, "Well, I
mean, I I pick women that nobody's
looking for." He's like, he goes,
"Prostitutes, runaways." He said, "Uh,
women that nobody cares." He said,
"Women you could look at like maybe like
she she looks good, but you could tell
she's on the way down fast." He said,
you know, like he and he he said, "But
and I, you know, you see him on the
street and you know who who nobody's
going to look for. The cops don't care
about." And he said it he said, "It
ain't like I'm driving into a white
neighborhood grabbing a a little teenage
blonde girl." He said, "They're going to
look for her." He But they ain't looking
for these hoes.
>> Like he's
>> Yeah. No, he's blatantly.
>> He's brutal but accurate, too.
>> He's accurate.
>> He is.
>> He's accurate. And And that's why, you
know, the 20th century,
that's why the old like, you know, the
old uh like the old hack joke like, "Oh,
you're out killing prostitutes." Killing
prostitutes. That became like a joke in
shows, TV.
>> It did not come.
>> It did. It It was like, uh,
>> no,
>> I disagree. I think you're hanging out
with the wrong people. No, this was I
saw it on Family Guy recently. It's like
it's it's a it's it's a trope like oh
yeah, he was he was killing hookers,
right? Like that this is where it comes
from because hookers before they were
sex workers. They were they were not
highly respected, highly regarded
so
>> now they are only fans. I mean we're
we're it's now it's gone too far the
other way. Now now we need to swing the
pendulum back to some ho shaming maybe.
You know what I'm saying? But this is
where it comes from. And he's absolutely
right. And when you watch a guy like
that, he really holds the mirror up to
society.
>> Yeah. You have to I I'm telling you,
actually Colby should throw at least a
little bit of B-roll from this guy in.
>> Oh, he's incredible.
>> He is I mean, listen,
>> should he
still alive? Can we put him on our
network?
>> Horrible. It's horrible. But Colby, he's
he is relishing the the the uelling.
Yeah. of the of this story. Like all
these stories, you could see it and it
he loves it. He and he's he's so he
enraptures even the detectives talking
to him. Yeah.
>> Like I know they're kind of trying to
run game, but he but they're they're
they're sitting back like, "Oh yeah, you
killed that [ __ ] that way." Yeah. Know,
I imagine. But they're really kind of
enjoying it because he's fun to talk to.
>> Yeah. He's he's not he's feel like
you're the only one in the room.
>> He's not. And she had on a short cream
girl.
>> Mhm.
>> Cream and red. So then this opportunity
popped up.
>> Take her to the store.
>> Right.
>> Instead of me bringing her back to the
apartment, I went down 27
that's going down to uh
>> Fort Lauderdale called the G the
Alligator Alley.
>> He's not downplaying it at all. No, it's
not. He
>> But he's not selling it either.
>> What was the guy? Chris Watts. He's not
coming up with some scenario where it
almost where he's justifying it. They're
like, "When you pulled her, when you got
her, did you know initially, did you
know when you first saw her you were
going to kill her?" He goes, "Oh, yeah."
I had the desire. I I had that need. I
wanted it. I knew I was going to kill
her immediately. Immediately. Was he Don
King? I don't know. He You know what?
Wait, hold on. Wait. Wait. What's the
guy who's the um Oh god. I And every I
>> You know what he sounds like? He sounds
like Ollie, the black weatherman from
Family Guy. What's the weather going to
be like? It's going to rain.
>> What's the guy that sings America?
>> Oh, uh,
>> Brown.
>> Yeah, James Brown.
>> James Brown.
>> Oh. AND I KILLED THAT [ __ ] OH,
>> YEAH.
>> He's excited when he's talking about it.
>> So, I want to I want to bring up
our boy's kind of progressive because in
197172 he meets uh a transgender woman.
And again, these are old school
[ __ ] Real real true- to- life
[ __ ] not people that are just doing
it because it's it's hyd now. Trendy.
It's is like,
>> keep in mind, he had already when he was
in the in the boy in the reformatory,
right? When he was in his early 20s, he
had a relationship with a transgender.
>> Was that a sexual relationship though,
or were they just kind of buddies? I
think they were just friends.
>> I felt like that. I felt like it was a a
r cuz he he said he he he
>> No, because he said he was a virgin
until he got married. So I don't
>> What do you consider sex?
>> No, I I I think penetration like and if
he considered the transgender person
>> that's your first sexual
>> what a chick with a dick or a dude with
perfect tits.
>> That's your That's your first sexual.
>> Are you talking about a be You're
talking about a dude Yes. with a massive
hog but beautiful skin, long dark hair.
>> He says and perfect tits. He says,
"Listen, so you should be so lucky."
>> This one, this one kills me because when
they said this in the in the dock, what
he says,
>> Ky, here's what he says. He takes the
transgender who had just had a bad
relationship and he's dancing with with
her and she starts crying on the dance
floor about her relationship and he
starts making out with her. Knows knows
it's a guy,
>> right?
>> And
>> who was doing that back then? That's
incredibly progressive.
Anyway, and then he he Sam says, "Let me
drive you home."
Takes her
>> Mhm.
>> in the vehicle.
drives off and
when he starts when he attacks attacks
her and starts to choke her, he's
choking her and he said he remembers
looking her in the face and saying, "I
love you, bro."
>> Oh, NO.
>> HE SAYS IT. IT'S ON THE THING. DO you
remember that? Yes.
>> Or is it bro, I love you. Love you, bro.
>> Love you, bro.
>> Well, he's joking.
>> Oh my god. This guy is a 10 out of 10.
And by the way, this guy is a 10 out of
10.
>> They connect, you know, how they connect
him cuz there there's no connection. He
explains where he dumped the body and
they go and and they say initially they
cannot find this person cuz he doesn't
know the the birth name. He just knows
the name like Carol or you know, Bunny
or whatever her name is. And so they
then find a a a male that was choked to
death that was dumped in that area.
They're like literally 4 days later we
found this person in this area this
body. And then when they do the then
when they they they go but it this is a
man. You we're looking for they say no
we're looking for a man. Um and so when
they find the body they then do the
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>> They find out, "Holy [ __ ] we were
looking for like a man who had killed
this man when in fact once they did the
research, they found out that he was
living as a woman."
>> As a woman
>> and then they were like, "Holy," like
nobody knew that. The detectives didn't
know that. It's not even in the case
file until he tells him what happened
and they go back and search. Then they
find out, oh, he was living as a woman.
same as 100% accurate. Nobody knew that.
Choked, dumped, and then they then they
pin it on him.
>> Imagine kissing Imagine being a black
man where it's not even cool to be gay.
Okay, you're in the early 70s. You're
kissing a man that is dressed up as a
woman in public at a bar. Now, you know,
you got to kill that dude because he
can't it can't get out. I mean,
>> this guy was eclectic. Sam Little was
eclectic and he had style and he had the
numbers. Moving on. So time the 70s
start rolling along, right? And he's
killing. In 1976, he's convicted of
assaulting a Missouri woman with intent
to rap. He only serves three months in
county jail. This is the 70s, folks.
>> You didn't do much time for anything.
>> Yeah. We can't go into all We can't go
into
>> No, no. We'd be here all day. It's 98
bodies.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's almost 100 bodies.
Yeah, we can't we can't do every one of
them.
>> Yeah. So, but we just what we're going
to do is roll through decades and then
we're going to talk about how he
eventually
>> Yeah. Some of them have been picked out.
Some of the more interesting ones have
been uh death have been picked out and
we'll focus on a few of the more
interesting ones.
>> In 1978, he kills Julia Critfield, 36
years old, near Gulfport, Mississippi.
Dumps her body off of a cliff. Just
throws her body. I didn't know they had
cliffs in Mississippi. Did you know
that?
>> In Mississippi?
>> Yeah, they cliffs. I feel like they do.
>> I thought it was more flat, boggy, kind
of more like Louisiana.
>> We have some We have certain parts in
the in the north in Florida that are We
have some extreme hills. No, not cliffs.
There's no cliffs, but here. So, I can
imagine up there.
>> So, if you found a cliff,
>> throws the body off. Just chucked her
off. Again, like he's leaving DNA
everywhere, you know.
>> Yeah. Oh, no. No. He's no concept of of
of DNA. No. Of semen or anything.
>> Yeah. He's not thorough. Yeah. He's not
thorough like that.
>> You didn't know that's coming.
>> No. No, no, no. This guy was living for
the moment. He wasn't really looking
into the future. Um, he kills a
19-year-old girl, very sad, Evelyn
Weston, uh, near Fort Jackson, South
Carolina in 1978. Um, so he's got most
most of his rampages in his early days
are in the South. He'll eventually move
on to California. Yeah. Kills a woman,
kills hookers in San Diego.
>> Very liberal.
>> Yes. Well, he was. And I think he kind
of found his people when he went out to
liberal California. This these people
need need me.
>> Yes.
>> They're very trusting out here. The hoes
just get right in the car.
>> Yeah. They hope cuz they feel bad cuz
they see I'm black and they can't get in
the car. It's racism.
>> Yeah.
>> So in 1981, Little Kills Anne Stewart in
Ohio. A murder that would not be
publicly confirmed for nearly four
decades. The following year brought a
dramatic and dangerous escalation with
Little at least three women in rapid
succession. In September of 82, the
nude, strangled body of 26-year-old
Patricia Anne Mount was discovered in
Alachua County, Florida. Alua County.
Have you ever heard of Alua County?
>> No.
>> Alua
Elatcha.
>> Elatchua. Yeah, I've heard of Watchawa.
>> That's wild to be called that.
>> All these Indian names, they're tough,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. They had to go.
Sorry. Uh, multiple witnesses identified
Little as the man last seen leaving with
her in his distinctive brown Pinto
station wagon. So, there were some
eyewitnesses,
right? Like the cops basically have dick
on this guy except for some
eyewitnesses. They really
>> the one where he goes to jail.
>> Uh, weeks later, a groundskeeper
discovered the skeletal remains of
22-year-old Melinda LRI in a cemetery
near Pascola, Mississippi. We go up a
little bit, please.
>> Dumps her in the cemetery.
>> Really easy.
>> Convenience.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Like,
>> we're going to make it [ __ ] We going to
make it easy for you today.
>> Yeah.
I got to just dig that [ __ ]
grave. [ __ ]
>> Listen, he's doing
>> You can't say You can't tell you ain't
never done nothing for you.
>> On and on and on. And where are the
cops? Where is the police work? It's
[ __ ] Okay. I don't even think he during
this time he gets brought in, Matthew.
No. No. No. Not for this stuff. Not for
these.
>> Well, there's no DNA. Like he he's
transient. He's not staying in these
places. He's living. So during this time
he's he's pimping women periodically.
Has a couple women he pimps. I don't
know if it's the exact time. I think
it's after this. But he's uh he's also
like shoplifting. He's doing he's
stealing and he gets away with every
once in a while. He gets arrested. He
goes to jail for a few months and gets
back out. He's not.
>> But these are just [ __ ] cases. Yes.
>> And he's making his living as you say,
pimping some women. The odd the odd
crimes.
>> Plus he's any women that he's killing.
I'm sure he's taking everything they
have on him. I don't know what they have
on him. I'm assuming 20 or 40 bucks,
which is the equivalent of
>> what they say? They said $50 then was
the equivalent of $350. Now,
>> do you know, and this is way off topic,
do you know that uh a minimum wage job
in like the mid70s
is the same purchasing power in today's
dollars as like a six-figure salary.
>> It's insane.
>> It's a problem.
>> Yeah,
>> it's a or it's a it's a problem,
>> right? Well, the I was going to say the
opposite side to that is do you know
what the midsize home was back then?
>> I don't know.
>> Two-bedroom, one bath. Now, a midsize
home is a
>> fourbedroom, two bath with a two-car
garage,
>> right?
>> We expect a lot more out of out of they
did back then.
>> However, however, those two
bedroomedroom, one bath homes are still
there. And in Los Angeles, uh they will
cost you $1.5 million. You know what I
mean? So, my my parents bought their
first house, which was a two-bedroom,
one bath, $3,500 bucks.
>> No,
>> in Tampa. In Tampa.
>> I That house now is probably $300,000.
>> No, it's like a shopping mall now. But
yeah. Yeah.
>> But, you know, if if
>> my mom would drive by and be like, we
lived right there and like, you know,
like in Kroger's. No, no, our house was
>> That's hilarious. In the in the late
70s, early 80s, he is brought in on
murder charges,
>> right? And you actually already
mentioned the murder. the murder where
someone saw the girl, the woman get in
the vehicle and he he murders her and
then he murders a couple other people
after that which he's never connected
with. Well, that murder is tracked to
him, tracked back to him. The police
arrest him and they put him uh he goes
to trial and he's found not guilty.
>> Yeah. Cuz they don't all they have is a
couple of witnesses saying they saw a
car,
>> right? And and you know, oh, it's a
black man driving this vehicle. They
didn't get the tag number. Like it's not
enough. It's enough to bring him to
trial.
And then he
saw him and both of them were terrified,
right? So they made very bad witnesses
and his lawyer was lucky because his
lawyer was able to bring up their
criminal records and made them less
credible and that's part of the reason
he got off. Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Wow. Okay. So, uh, after that, I think
this is what makes him shoot over to the
West Coast cuz after this he kind of
relocates. Maybe that's because he he is
afraid he has some heat on him,
>> right? And there is no NCIC at this
time.
>> No, there's a national database. No.
>> So, if you So, when they arrest you in
California or something, they have no
idea that you've got this massive
criminal record in Florida.
>> They don't even know you want to start
calling Florida and
>> they don't even know you have warrants.
You can have active warrants in other
states. You can get away with stuff for
a lot. You get away a lot back then.
>> Yeah. So, he re he relocates to sunny
San Diego, California. Um,
>> San Diego is beautiful.
>> It's so [ __ ] beautiful.
>> [ __ ] It is beautiful. And have you ever
been to the zoo?
>> No. I heard it's a great zoo, though.
>> [ __ ] amazing.
>> How do you feel? Let's talk about this.
As a felon who's who was incarcerated
for 13 years, it's a long time. How do
you feel about zoos?
>> I mean, I think they're they're great. I
love zoos.
>> But do you feel bad for like the like
the big animals? I'm not talking about
like the [ __ ] birds or whatever, but
I'm talking about like you see a lion in
a cage and it's just kind of lying there
in the heat and and flies are on it.
Don't you wish that thing could be on
the Serengeti chasing zebra?
>> Well, I think I probably should, but I
really have almost no empathy.
>> I'm sorry. I I feel bad about it. I want
I know I should. I know I should, but I
I prefer him be there for my pleasure.
>> Okay. You know, and he's being fed. He's
fine. And every time they let these guys
out and they put them in the wild, they
get butchered immediately. Did you ever
see that ape, the the billionaire who
goes in and buys up like he buys up like
a couple of gorillas that have been in
captivity for like seven or eight years
and everybody's like, "What are you
doing?" "Oh, I'm going to put them back
into the wild." And they're like, "What
are you doing?" The the the zookeepers
like they'll kill him. He He's not a
part of the You can't do. No, no, it's
the right thing to do. And they put them
out there and they come back like six
months later and they find their bones.
They've been beaten to death. The they
>> Oh. chimps and apes. Oh man, they're
[ __ ] brutal. It's like being in
prison,
>> right? This thing was safe in the p and
he they live longer.
>> But I think I think they stole the the
lion from the Serengeti and then he got
domesticated. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah, he's fine. The lion's fine.
>> No, I I don't think he's fine. I don't
think he's fine. You know what? I'm
going to go when I move to San Diego.
I'm going to break into the zoo like an
anarchist and I'm going to open up the
cages and I'm going to free that poor
little lion.
>> I think you should.
>> I just want to give him a hug and a
kiss. I love animals, dude. Me and get
me and Ian Bick will will go with you.
We'll video it.
>> Oh, that's good content. Yeah, that's
good content.
>> Yeah, today we're gonna watch Johnny
Mitchell get arrested
>> or get get eaten or get [ __ ] eaten.
>> Yeah, I love the idiot who every once in
a while will jump.
>> It's always a Chinese person, dude. It's
always a Chinese. It's always a Chinese
person
>> or want to get a selfie with a bear dog.
>> Have you seen the [ __ ] video in at
that open zoo like park in China? And
it's it's they capture on on video. Uh
uh I don't know, maybe it's not even in
China, but it's a Chinese woman. It's in
Asia somewhere. And it's a Chinese
woman. She gets out of the car to and is
like looking around like at a tiger. All
of a sudden, like in a flat one second,
the the tiger shoots out of the [ __ ]
bushes, grabs the woman by the
shoulders, and drags her into the
>> That's right. kicking and screaming.
Yeah. Like the You have no idea how
>> You deserve it, though. You deserve it.
You have no idea how fast or or strong
these things are.
>> Unbelievable.
>> Yeah. Listen, if my pit bull
>> it it just puts a little bit of pressure
on me when we're playing and just every
once in a while he'll give me a little
bit of pressure and I'm like you got to
hit.
>> Holy [ __ ] Yeah. Stop that.
>> Right. Just to scare him. But if he
wanted to attack me months old, can you
imagine what a [ __ ]
>> full grown tiger? Bel Bengalled tiger.
>> What does an alligator do? What does a
tiger do? What does a a bear? Do you
ever see the guy that got out of the
vehicle with his dad and with his kids
in the [ __ ] car and takes a picture
with like I'm going to get a selfie and
they're like no don't don't. What are
you doing? He's like no it'll be fine.
It'll be fine. And the [ __ ] bear eats
him in front of his kids.
>> Imagine that's how you [ __ ] your dad
died. I'd lose all respect for my dad.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I I mean imagine that. I
would be saying that too. He He had it
coming. He's a [ __ ] [ __ ] I'd be
like these are wild animals.
>> I'd be like I never had a dad.
>> I got to even admit it.
>> Yeah.
>> So So Sam Little is in San Diego, right?
uh to start a new life. I think he
cleans himself up. He goes back to he
goes to community college. Um he goes
into AA. He finds a good
becomes a CPA and now he has a he has a
firm it which ultimately became Arthur
Anderson.
>> That's right. Well, Little and Little
>> which was shut down in the It was Little
and Little became but he sold it to to
Arthur Anderson and now he spends his
days playing golf.
>> Sign out.
>> What?
>> Sign out.
>> What do you mean sign out?
>> What the [ __ ] That's the end of the
story.
>> No. Oh. Oh.
>> Oh, yeah. That's hilarious.
>> Oh. Oops. That's not what happened.
>> That's not the end of the story.
>> Anyway,
>> I thought Colby was going crazy. Doesn't
that make you nervous?
>> Talking about we got another [ __ ]
half that we're halfway through the
outline.
>> In November 1984, roughly 9 months after
his Florida quiddle for murder, Little
was accused of assaulting a woman in San
Diego, California. He was tried for
attempted murder, but the jury
deadlocked. Damn, this guy is a [ __ ]
He's like John Gotti. The teflon teflon
bro.
>> Who are these lawyers,
>> right? Good lawyers. Lawyers that
believe the black man, man. You know,
>> they knew they knew I did it. [ __ ] They
knew I did it, but it was the best
GODDAMN LAWYERS MONEY COULD BUY. [ __ ]
OKAY. I didn't pay him.
Okay. So, so he beats that case. Um, but
again, he still goes back and forth to
to Alabama and Ohio. He kills Hannah May
Bonner, 23 years old, uh, August 10th,
84 in Mobile. kills Mary Joe Payeyton,
21, in Ohio, 1984. All right. October
84, he's accused of assaulting that
woman in San Diego, tried for attempted
murder, jury deadlocked, pleaded guilty
to assault and false imprisonment. Okay.
Uh, so he does do a little bit of time
actually on this. He gets parrolled in '
87 and relocates to LA to Los Angeles.
After settling in Los Angeles during the
height of the city's cocaine epidemic,
Littles at least four women whose deaths
would eventually anchor his case decades
later.
>> Yes.
>> Very interesting.
>> Yeah. I think this is probably when they
started collecting DNA.
>> Sure. Mid to late 80s. Yeah.
>> Cuz they they they're prior to this he's
leaving DNA. I just don't think it was a
it was something that they knew we
should start probably start
>> So he's he's having sex he's all these
women.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's nutting up inside of
him. everything. Sometimes they're dead
and he's having sex after they're dead.
>> Oh, a little necro necroilia action
>> cuz he talks about like sometimes after
after I choked her
>> and he's always talking about their
necks. He's like she had a nice long
>> one of his victims one of his victims
who survived he said he said yeah I
liked it. He said one of his victims who
survived said he while he was choking
her like and and and her he would keep
telling her to swallow.
>> Yeah. Like
>> Yeah. He liked it when they Yeah. He had
a super a really really uh
>> interesting fetish.
>> Yes. Yes. Fascination. Yeah. Yeah. He he
was it was odd once this is you get to a
point where law enforcement starts to
realize like hey at some point we're
going to be able to use DNA. They're
they're taking they're taking samples.
They're keeping those samples and
>> but I don't think they ever put together
that there's like a serial killer. They
never connected all of these bodies.
>> No, it's not until the this grouping of
of women,
>> right?
>> He's the one that connect. No, they
think, "Oh, we've got him for four." And
they know he's they they know he's been
on trial for multiple others that he got
acquitted from. So, they're like, "We
think he's killed at least six."
>> It's like six. He's like,
>> "Those are rookie numbers."
>> Six. I I do six before Monday.
>> That's a That's a That's a long weekend
for me.
>> That's July 4th, dude.
>> That's Labor Day weekend.
>> Yeah.
>> Those are cracker numbers. You
understand?
>> She She had a wife put up six pats on
the back.
>> Me, a black man. Black man got to put up
90 plus just to get any [ __ ] respect
at this stage. [ __ ]
>> He really is like this is
>> I want a development deal.
>> This is 96 [ __ ] people.
>> He should He deserves his own series,
bro.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Dmer Dmer gets one. Come on,
man. This guy is [ __ ] cook a couple
of [ __ ] a couple of quiz,
couple of those fairy boys. [ __ ] I
ain't gay. I know I [ __ ] a man in the
ass. I GOT [ __ ] I DON'T GAY. I WAS
RAPED. I was assaulted. [ __ ] I was
progressive though.
>> He's a victim. told that trans woman,
"Shit, I love you. I love you, my bro.
>> Love you, life, bro.
>> Life fled from his eyes." Come on. Come
on. Let's keep going. We got to go.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to run through these
women in in Los Angeles. Well, San
Bernardino uh kills a woman. April 12th,
87 uh in on July 87 in LA. He leaves a
woman strangled in a Los Angeles alley.
Prosecutors said little little lur
victims with drugs before killing them.
Right. It's the era. Everybody's on
drugs. Audrey Nelson, 35, a white woman
found in a downtown LA trash bin. O
downtown LA back in 1989. Boy. Uh, she
scratched her attacker preserving DNA
evidence years years, right? Under the
nails years ahead of standard practice.
Uh, there was a woman, Guadalupe Apoaka,
46, a Hispanic woman found in an
abandoned garage. Um, so yeah, so these
are the uh they they collected DNA from
all of this and just kept it in a lab
and just waited. Uh, Little continued
his killing spree into the '9s. Back in
Cleveland, Ohio, kills Rose Evans, 32,
his third confirmed Ohio victim.
Gulfport, Mississippi, kills Tracy Lynn
Johnson, 19. Uh, Odessa, Texas. I mean,
this guy,
>> holy [ __ ] this is just lists of bodies.
>> It's [ __ ] crazy. I'm telling you,
like I know this is kind of like
redundant to talk about, but it's
>> Ohio, Mississippi,
>> on and on and on. Little later admitted
directly to investigators. deliberately
targeted sex workers, drug addicts, and
other vulnerable women in high crime
areas. Yeah, there you go. I mean, God,
he hid in the bushes of a vacant lot
before attacking a woman outside of a
business. I mean, my god, dude.
>> This kind of s you hope you don't get,
>> you know what I'm saying?
>> Because he just won't shut up either.
You know what I mean? That's the main
thing.
>> Listen, I got to tell you something.
>> Oh no. Oh no. cuz watching
watching the interview with Little
reminded me of this guy and I can't even
remember they I think they called him
Bulldog
>> and he was um
>> Bulldog and Chainsaw.
>> He he this was in the medium by the way.
So Bulldog
which everybody was like don't don't cuz
he trying he come up and talk to me like
hey Cox what's going on I what's going
on and you know he'd talk to me every
once in a while right and uh he was
locked up. This is a guy who honestly he
got a a [ __ ] up deal. He had sold
to an undercover like two or three times
and so the undercover at some point
comes back and says, "Hey man, can you
get me like half a key of how whatever
half key
>> and mix and he says, "Shit, I get you a
key." And he goes, "Are you serious?" He
said, "Yeah."
>> And he goes, "Okay." Now, Bulldog
couldn't get a key. What he was going to
do was just rob the guy.
>> So the guy, he said, "You show up with
the money, I'll have it." And he says,
"Okay." So they they're going back and
forth. He's pretending he's got this. He
shows up with I don't think he showed up
with anything to be honest with. He's
just going to rob the guy. They get into
the vehicle and he pulls a gun out on
the guy and the guy's like, "Holy shit."
And of course the van next to them, two
cars around them, have cops him. They
jump out immediately, stick the [ __ ]
gun, you know, get out of the car. And
so he gets hit for not the robbery, but
for the sale of the he got like 40 years
now. He's been in and out jail several
times. So he's also off the chart. So it
gets like 40 years, let's say. Might
have been 30, might have been 40, but
he's in the medium.
And he's always trying to talk to me.
And he had this one cell that was it was
like a foot bigger cuz of the position
it was in. You know, something's a good
cell.
>> Mhm.
>> It's kind of hidden and it's a little
bit bigger. He wanted me to move into
the cell. And I kept going, "Nah, bro.
I'm good." Like he's been around 20
years, man.
>> He's always trying to talk to the little
white guy. I'm good, bro.
>> His mind's playing tricks on him.
>> It ain't like that, Cox. in like that. I
I I need a good s I said, "Yeah, there's
a lot of good sies here. You're going to
find somebody. You're going to find
somebody." And and so sure enough, he
does. Couple weeks later, this little
white guy who had been in the pin, by
the way, um and I mean, but he's tiny.
He's probably 140 lb, 145 lbs. He goes
to him and he he convinces him. Now,
keep in mind, we're in threeman cells.
This is a twoman cell. So, he convinces
him to move in. And when I I find out
he's moving in beforehand, I tell the
guy, "Hey, bro, it's a bad idea." He's
like, "What? He's not He's all right." I
said, "No, no, he's not all right.
Something ain't right. Like, this is a
guy like he's he's had punks. He's got
guys in the cell. Like, it's not good."
He's like, "No, that that's not going to
happen with me." I said, "Okay, I'm just
letting you know. He's going to try
you." He goes, "Nah, he's he's all
right." I said, "Okay, you know, so
much, you know, okay, I've been here a
while, so I've seen people coming in the
going in and out of the cell and shit."
So anyway, he said the second day, he's
on the top bunk.
>> The second day, he said like it's
at night. They just counted. The lights
still on. You could turn your light on
and off in the in there. And he said the
light is on. And he said he's reading
and he said, "Bulldog gets up and he's
kind of walking around a little bit,
just walking around the cell and they're
tiny. He's kind of moving around." And
he said all of a sudden he goes, "Hey,
hey." He goes, looks over and he's down
a little bit, right? And he goes, he's
like, "Yeah, what's up?" He goes, "This
is what I'm working with." And he goes,
and he and he looks down. He's got his
[ __ ] out hard, holding his [ __ ] That's
what I'm working with. Like that. And he
goes, "Oh, whoa. Hey, hey." He's I don't
I don't want to see that. I don't need
no I don't I don't He No, it's okay,
man. He's No, no, it's not okay, bro.
It's not okay. Next day, straight into
the [ __ ] uh into the counselor's
office. Bro, you got to get me out. You
got to get me out of that [ __ ] cell.
What's up? Just get me out. You got to
get me out. I don't put me in three man
sale. Put me in the [ __ ] I don't
care. That thing's a missile.
>> I feel like that's I feel like Samuel
would be like,
>> "Yeah,
>> that's what I'm working with." You know
what I'm saying?
>> I would I'd have to look at gangs. I'd
be like, "Man, that's a nice piece." But
>> listen, I hear you.
>> I got to say,
>> I'm not quite at the 10 year mark. I
don't have my past.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Respect.
>> Yeah.
>> Respect. But that thing ain't gonna fit
in here, dude. Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Prison is a [ __ ] miserable miserable
place. the what is the the the guy that
goes to the doctor and says uh or no the
the woman that goes to the doctor and
says listen I've I've got some anal
bleeding and he says or I've got some
bleeding some some soreness and doctor
says where he she goes right uh right
around the entrance and he goes he says
uh well that's going to continue as long
as you refer to it as an entrance.
That's a good one. That's a good one.
All right. So yeah, Sam Little, let's be
honest. The kid was endowed. Let's Let's
I mean, the guy was a [ __ ] god.
>> All right.
>> Like I Bro, if he told me to hold hands,
I mean, I', you know, I'd figure out a
way.
>> He pulled his pocket out.
>> Yeah, dog. And he said And he said, "I
love you.
>> I love you, bro."
>> Love you, bro.
>> That should be the name of the [ __ ]
That should be the name of the uh
>> the podcast. The podcast. Yeah. I love
you, bro.
>> I love you, bro.
So, dude, this guy keeps killing
until 2005.
2005. That's how recent, bro. He in in
Tupela, Mississippi. August 8th, 2005,
he kills 46-year-old Nancy Carol
Stevens. By this time, in 2005, he's 55
years old.
>> That's amazing. By the way, that's a
long time for a serial killer.
>> He killed from about 27 28, right? No,
no, no. He was he was actually 30 or 31
until the time until So he killed for
for uh 26 years, right? 26 years.
>> 26 years. 90 something.
>> No, dog. We're tripping. We're tripping.
We're tripping. That's 30 from 1970 to
2005. That's 35 years.
>> 35 years still though. That's a lot.
That's
>> So, he was 65. We can't do math. He was
born in 1940. I'm not even trying to do
that.
>> He was 65 years old when he we killed
his last
>> his last victim.
>> Yeah. you he he he should have aged out
in his late 40s. Honestly, most of these
guys in their mid to late 40s say Killer
did. I think he was like 50 when he
called it quits,
>> right? So, this is this is extreme. So,
but here's the other thing, too, by the
way. And and he his health is
deteriorating very quickly, which is
even stranger.
>> You know, he's like he's like Cal Ripken
Jr. of the, you know, of the Orioles,
right? The Baltimore Orioles.
>> Not not I mean, actually, Cal Ripken was
a great player, too, but he was the iron
man. Like, he played he played the
longest. Longevity counts. When we're
talking about greatest anything of long
uh uh serial killer included, longevity
counts. He's the Cal Ripton Cal Ripken
Jr. of serial killing. Go ahead.
>> So, you have to think the last about
about the last what 10 years or so, he's
hooked on.
>> Okay.
>> So, so by the way, that's why a lot of
these victims are are are
>> prostitutes and Yeah. And so, he is he's
surviving shoplifting. He's surviving
doing petty burglaries. He's also
surviving um selling counterfeits goods,
which one of his the women that he was
with uh
>> showed him how to do.
>> Yeah, he would have been on Soft White
underbelly.
>> Oh, he would have been He would have
been Yeah, he Mark would have loved this
guy. He would
>> Oh. Oh, you smoke or a petty thief and a
Yeah. Come let me exploit you for
content.
>> Absolutely. Let me
>> That guy's a [ __ ] scumbag. I'll say
Mark. No, I love him. Shut up.
>> He's doing God's work. He thinks these
people deserve an an outlet and he wants
>> and he's and he's and he's getting
AdSense and he's selling.
>> There's nothing wrong with making a
profit. There's nothing wrong with
>> I know that. But don't claim you're
doing God's work. I never claim I'm
doing I'm doing this for profit and
>> I'm doing this broadcast for profit and
the connect.
>> I never claimed to be doing good.
>> He also sets up uh Patreons for these
people. He pays them. Nobody pays. He
does. He does. Yes, he does. I know
Mark. He's a good guy. He's a good guy.
He's look, he's he's one of those he's
he's like a a limousine liberal, you
know, right? We need we need some of
those people. He's doing great content.
I can't watch it.
>> It's terrible.
>> My wife loves it.
>> It's awful content. It's redundant. It's
[ __ ] terrible.
>> But he does paint them in the best
possible light. Like, like, think about
it. If you had to put that person on,
>> I guess he does humanize them. Sure.
>> He does. He does. It's It's amazing.
It's amazing.
>> Yeah.
>> It's brutal. Anyways.
>> Yeah. and visually
>> probably just jealous. Go ahead.
>> So, all right. Anyway, so let's let's
move on. Keep going.
>> He is not arrested, my guy. He is not
arrested until September 5th, 2012 after
93 bodies and almost 50 years.
>> Well, you're saying that
>> how crazy is that, bro? At a homeless
shelter in Kentucky. So, he's really
>> he's finally at the end of his rope. But
they could they couldn't find him. The
problem was they looked for months like
six is it six or eight months when they
come in and they put him to what's
really funny is listen this is the
funniest part is that like the the woman
that the cold case woman that puts this
together
>> okay talk about that talk about that how
they how they finally catch him.
>> Yeah. So, so they they they do the DNA
like she she's uh it's funny. She's one
of these people that she was actually
like a bartender in a bar when she's
like in her early 20s that is populated
by uh by law enforcement and she's
always loves listening to their stories
and talking to them. And one of them
suggests cuz she's always in the mix of
the stories and one of them says, "Have
you ever thought about applying?" And
she's like, "I'm a bartender. like I'm
I'm I'm like a 130 lb blonde
>> chick like yeah what are you talking
about and they're like yeah you know
we're hiring you should think you seem
to love this talking about this stuff so
she applies now now
>> 30 years later
>> or 25 years later she ends up in the
cold case file like she has this stellar
career all the the officers and stuff
they're like she was amazing she was she
was uh diligent like she would get on
something wouldn't let it go so they
eventually put her on cold cases they're
like look you you don't mind running
down the rabbit hole that other cops are
like this is they're going nowhere. Uh
so she's the one that puts these four
women together just by running them
through Cotus, right? Like these are
cases that haven't been solved, but we
do have DNA. Let's go ahead and run them
through the system. They run them
through the system. They connect all of
them.
>> What year is that?
>> Uh is it is it 2012 or is it
>> Okay, so it's 2012. Well, 2012 is when
they arrested him, the homeless.
>> No, no, but they do but they but it
takes like six or eight months to find
him. So initially when they can't find
him the and he's got warrants and stuff,
>> right? Okay. So So they they got they
got all his his from the bodies that the
the women that he killed, the four women
in Los Angeles from like the early 90s,
>> late ' 80s, early 90s that he killed. He
left DNA. They collected DNA. Uh this
woman then in the 2000s puts it in the
system and I guess they've got his
fingerprints and his DNA from other
cases that he's caught, right?
>> Yeah. He's been arrested
>> so many times. Multiple times. So, so
now you now you have the data bank, the
national data bank. So, that should
that's how they got a hit.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. I see.
>> So, so um once that happens, they of
course she looks for him. She can't find
him. She's going to where he's at this
point he's living in his car. He had
lived in an RV for a while and was like
basically just doing uh you know, and
he's I think I forget how many arrests
at this point he's been arrested like 40
or 50 times.
Yeah, it's probably more than that.
Oh, I think it was like 25. By the time
he was 30, he had been arrested. Just
just petty stuff.
>> So, now he's got a warrant out.
>> He does have a warrant, but it's not
like a It's, you know, it's not one one
of those warrants where they'll move you
from state to state. They grab you and
then they say, "Hey, we got this guy."
And then they're like, "Yeah, we're not
going to come get him." Like, it's not
it's a petty warrant, but they find him,
right? So, he gets run and they find
him. Here's what's interesting is that
while she's looking for him,
>> her bosses are saying, "You should this
guy's a serial killer because he's been
to two trials where he beat the trial."
So, they're assuming he's guilty on
those. And these four we know
>> he's been found guilty of, right?
>> Like, it's guilty. Well, I'm sorry. We
know his DNA is in these people or under
their under their fe. Now, if it had
just been seaman,
>> they could he his argument could have
been They're hookers, but one of them
had was choked to death and had the
nails on the nails. So, they're like,
"No, no, and seaman."
>> Yeah.
>> No, no. This guy's killed. This is the
guy who choked her to death. So, they're
saying serial killer. You should
advertise. Let's get to the media. And
she's saying, "Absolutely not. My fear
is if we do that, he goes underground.
We never find him."
>> She said, "He ends up dying in a ditch
or committing." So, she said, "No, I
want to wait until he'll get picked up
eventually." Guys like this do. He's
been, look how many times he's been
arrested.
>> Sure. So sure enough, it's like six or
eight months later, boom, he does get
arrested
>> at a homeless shelter in Kentucky
September 5th, 2012 and extradited to
California on an unrelated narcotics
charge.
>> Uh,
>> right. That that's the ruse, by the way.
That's not why they want to move.
>> I see. I see.
>> They don't want him to know what's
coming
>> so he doesn't try to kill himself or
>> Yeah. Or or they just want to, you know,
they want to hit you [ __ ] before you
before you go through it in your mind.
Yeah. You know,
>> so he was formerly charged in Los
Angeles on January 7th, 2013. At trial
in 2014, prosecutors, including Deputy
District Attorney Beth Silverman, argued
that drug addiction and sex work had
made all three women vulnerable and easy
targets. A jury of seven women and five
men deliberated for just two hours
before convicting Little on three counts
of first-degree murder. So, they didn't
get she they didn't get him for the four
bodies with the DNA, just three for some
reason. Uh September 25th, 14, he's
sentenced to three consecutive life
sentences. no parole possibility.
Obviously,
Little shouted out during his sentencing
hearing that he had not committed the
killings, calling his conviction a legal
lynching, and was wheeled out of the
courtroom, punching his fist in the air.
So, he's like he's like that track
athlete in the late 60s that puts
wearing the black gloves, throwing it up
for black power. He's punch Everything
this guy does is funny, by the way,
except for them the killings. He's such
a character, dude. Black people have so
much charisma, dude. This country would
be so boring without black people. He's
punching his fist in the air. Um,
>> yeah. And that's it. And now we And
>> that's not what he's talking about.
>> That's pretty much it.
>> That's not it.
>> He lived happily ever after.
>> So here's what happens is that because
they know at this point they know he's
done.
>> They got him. So let's get him talking.
>> He's thinking he's going to appeal. They
send a detective. I forget the name of
the Do we have the name of the
detective?
>> Texas Ranger James Holland.
>> Yes. connected little to the brother's
case through this known presence in the
area and her cause of death. So Mrs.
Brothers was somebody that he killed in
Texas.
>> So at this point he's they're starting
to put him in location. It's very hard
to know where this guy's been.
>> Oh, this guy's been zigging and zagging
>> and he's and keep in mind too he's als
he's been homeless many times. He's been
mostly stays in rooming houses. He stays
in his car. He he lived in an RV for
like whatever a decade or something. I
mean, it it was it's insane. Uh it never
had a this this is not that files taxes.
Um so
>> he so they send out this um Texas Ranger
because at this point they're starting
to put it put put cases on him like,
hey, he was here. This person died. This
is a this is common. Like this person
was choked to death. She was a blah blah
blah. Whatever. We know he was here
because he was in jail at this time. Got
out two days later this body.
>> Yeah. He was He was kind of known as
like the choking serial killer. They
They tried to put a name on it. They
always try to put a name on it, but it
never
>> That's why he's not huge, by the way. He
doesn't have a good name.
>> He doesn't have a good branding team. He
doesn't have a good marketing team
behind him. Exactly,
>> Kobe. We need what? We need to give him
a name for the episode.
>> Yes.
>> And then that's us. That's all us.
>> The [ __ ]
>> I think we get
>> the sausage king, dude. The dick king. I
don't dict him down until he killed him.
>> Something would come with some of those.
Uh um Yeah. Yeah. We need to we I think
we call a couple reporters. We see if we
can Yeah. We need to be the person. We
need to be the the the podcast that
branded him.
>> So they spend 700
hours interviewing Little. 700 hours
over roughly two years
>> working alongside the FBI.
>> Did you watch the interview where the
guy comes in and talks to him and he's
denying everything? And he's like,
"Listen, listen. It's over."
>> Yeah. And he offered him pizza. They
always get them with food and and and
soda. They always get it because they're
they're eating crap Aramark packaged
food in prison, bro. So, you bringing
some real food,
>> bro.
>> I'm going to tell I'm going to get you
moved to here while we do the interview
so you can talk. And keep in mind, this
guy, this this uh uh detective has no
clue, Colby. No clue at all. what's
coming. And by the way, for people that
are like, "Oh, he's probably
bullshitting." Not bullshitting. They
said that when he was when they're
calling a lot of these sheriff's
departments and police departments to to
to verify what he said, some of they
would every once in a while have one of
these guys fly in with um with a couple
of of extra um files that they know he
didn't do. They have already got
somebody for these. And they would go
and they say, "Listen, while you were
here, do you remember, you know,
Jennifer Johnson?" And they'd show them
the picture and they'd say, "She was
found in the exact area where so and so
was found, you know, a month and a half
later and she was a prostitute." He
goes, "I I don't know her." And they go,
she go, "No, wait a minute. Look at
her." He said, "I don't know her." He's
like, "That's not mine." He goes, "I'd
tell you if that was mine.
>> It's right, you found her right next to
Elizabeth." Yeah. Okay, great. I don't
know her. Like,
>> see, you call me a lot. you know a lot
of things you can't go
>> but he was like they said they did this
throughout the whole thing and they said
the accuracy of his information and
really they said his recall now they
said about 90 95% they
>> had the memory of an elephant for being
a lifelonger and trans [ __ ] I can't
remember [ __ ] bro this guy knew 90% of
knew their first name about half the
time knew their first and last name
where they and something about them
>> that's because you know why he really
got to know his victim He did. He loved
them.
>> He loved to them and he listened to
them.
>> Yeah. You know.
>> Yeah. He wasn't He wasn't
>> When was the last time you listened to
your wife?
>> Who?
>> Exactly.
>> Exactly. He listened to his victims and
he got to know them
>> and he stared right in their eye and he
loved the other day. She said to me,
"Are you listening to me?" And I
thought, "That's a no" No. She said,
"Did you hear anything I I said?" And I
thought, "That's a weird way to start
off a conversation."
>> Nice one. Nice one. So they they bribed
him. They they bribe Sam Little with
pizza, Dr. Pepper, and grits.
>> I love grits.
>> It's a little bit of a black stereotype,
but it's written on here. Okay. It is
like grits.
>> A lot of northern people don't like it.
>> No, I love grits.
>> Yeah. I think it's a southern
>> No, but grits have made their way to the
north. Grits have made their way to the
north. Yeah. It's It's like the hip now.
They charge [ __ ] $11 for a little
grit plate in New York.
>> Um and then he just starts spilling his
guts.
>> You know what grits are?
>> They're basically like oatmeal. I mean,
you know, you know what they're made of?
>> Not a Southerner at all. Do you?
>> No.
>> Are you serious? It's like cornmeal.
>> It's It's It's uh It's It's bleached
corn.
>> No. There we go.
>> Smash. They They just They mash up and
bleach corn.
>> That's good that we're eating bleach.
>> It's delicious.
>> Yeah, it is delicious. For sure. Yeah.
You have them with some [ __ ] crab or
whatever. Some lobster. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um Okay. So,
>> so this goes on and on. Um he he this
goes on for I'm assuming this is this is
weeks and weeks of this is what 700
>> 700 hours over two years dog.
>> Oh two years. Oh okay,
>> bro. So uh he has formal convictions. So
he gets tried again. So they bring him
into court. Uh late 2018, early 2019. Uh
Little's Little's Ohio murder
confessions led to two separate court
proceedings in Hamilton County. The
79-year-old Little Little appeared
before Judge Melba Marsh answering her
questions about raving waving his right
to trial with simple respectful replies
of yes ma'am. His defense attorney
Timothy McKenna told the court that
Little and Failing Health now wanted to
help police close cold cases and
identify remaining victims. So there you
go.
>> Some pizza.
>> So So for some more pizza and some
grits. Yeah. For some dominoes this
time. So he goes to Kyogre County. He
gets sentenced to an additional 40
years. though uh for Ann Stewart uh who
was a body that recovered there. So the
guy's got cases from Texas to to all I
mean probably how many states have we
named from California to Mississippi to
to Florida to Alabama to Ohio. I mean
the guys Texas at least six at least six
states.
>> Um so yeah Sam's basically making his
peace with God at this point. You know
what I mean? Uh helping people, you
know, helping the cops identify the
victims, helping their families have
some closure, right? Samuel Little died
in custody at a Los Angeles area
hospital in the early morning hours of
December 30th, 2020 at the age of 80.
Wow. He made it a long time for for a
black guy
>> from the south from that era
>> and to put with that kind of trauma. Um
>> yeah,
>> he made it 80s a pretty pretty long
life.
>> Uh he'd suffer from diabetes, heart
problems, and other ailments become
wheelchair wheelchair bound. Um, roughly
a year later on December 121, the FBI,
DOJ, and Texas Rangers jointly released
detailed profiles, including many of
Little's own handdrawn portraits, which
they're selling on eBay, of 31
additional are they?
>> No. Okay. So, they should add that.
Where is that?
>> Of 31 additional victims, still
unidentified at the time, spanning nine
states between 70 and 97, but at that
point, 62 of his victims have been
confirmed. So there's So the the total
count is about 93.
>> Yeah.
>> 62 of them are identified, 31 are
unidentified. So they're putting that
out to the public trying to see if, you
know, they can they can come up with the
identities of these people. Wow. 93
bodies, my guy.
>> Yeah. That's like like you take DMER,
you take Bundy, you take um uh you need
to put John Wayne Gasey, you take you
add up all like there's like four or
five of these guys. You can add up like
the the big ones, right? The the big
names.
>> You still don't get to 93.
>> You don't come even close. No.
>> You Gary Ridgeway, I think, was the
closest in number. The Green River
killer, but he's like 45 or 50.
>> Yeah, it's up there.
>> Yeah. 45 or 50. And he had almost little
had almost double that,
>> right? But see what I'm saying? Here's
the problem. It's exactly what you just
did. Gary Ridgeway, you said the Green
River Killer.
Samuel doesn't have
>> Samuel doesn't have a brand.
>> That's right. And that's I believe
>> racism. Exactly. I agree.
>> That's what it is. I mean, let's be
honest. Like there I don't think there's
any other way to put it. I don't know
what else what spin.
>> What other serial killer?
>> Is this is this the first black serial
killer you've done? Cuz when I think of
serial killer, I think of white.
>> Exactly. That's not our fault. They
don't get the proper branding.
>> Is there is there as many?
>> There are a few. There are a few others,
but this is out. There are a few.
>> There are a few. But this should be this
should be have a be on Netflix. I mean,
it's incredible. It's incredible. Now,
>> it's a white thing. I think serial
killing is a white thing.
>> It it typically is a white thing. Um,
Patrice O'Neal, the great rest in peace,
the late great uh comic. He's a black
guy. When the when the DC snipers came
out, he's like, I was just so relieved
to see that given a chance, we could do
that, too. you know. So, um I I think
the the difference to to be honest, to
be real for a second, the reason that
Bundy has so much lore, the reason that
Dmer has so much lore, I think it's
because they had a hook.
>> Right.
>> Right. Samuel had a hook. He had a right
hook. But he didn't basically he was
just an old school guy that was just a
drunkard and a drug addict and homeless
and just strangling women and tossing
them. Like he didn't have as much
>> flash. These are also well I mean so
Bundy I mean sorry uh Dmer you're right
he's eating them that's super like like
that's going to gonna be on every front
page of every newspaper
>> right Dy's dressing up as a clown and
tying little boys up
>> and they were buried underneath the
house that's super bizarre and then um
but Ted Bundy like these aren't
prostitutes he's hitting like sority
girls he's hitting girls like these are
these are wealthy white women that are
going missing and they're finding the
body that is and he was a good-looking
guy.
>> So that's right. And Annie who like he
he had been to law school and and a
little bit of car. So
>> So that's see killing prostitutes now is
kind of like we know that that's a
thing. So I think
>> well and keep in mind too that nobody
was looking for these women.
>> Nobody's looking for these women. Nobody
cares. And if even if the family gets up
and screams and hollers then the press
that the media at that time like they
don't even that it's not even a story.
>> Look at the Green River killer. He
doesn't have a that's a great brand.
kills a bunch of hookers in in the
densely the thick forest of Washington
State. There could be a show there.
>> Yeah, there's white women,
>> but they're white prostitutes, too. I
think they got a little
>> It's the hooker thing, bro. We don't
respect
>> hooker thing. It's the black hooker
thing.
>> Oh, black hooker.
>> That's what I'm saying. The black hooker
now. We really don't care.
>> Samuel specifically said it. I'm not
stupid.
>> I don't go to white neighborhoods and
get a young blond teenager that they'll
be looking for. He said, "I go and I get
women that," he said, "that nobody cares
about 95% of them are black women that
are hookers."
>> There's a show right there. You start
off the show with him confessing in jail
and then we go to the beginning 1940,
right? Like there's a whole cuz when you
see all the trauma, like you can
actually humanize a character like that.
You don't excuse him, but you humanize
him because you see how this monster was
made. You're right. There's a total show
there. You know what you could do if
when you take the clips of him because
they're kind of grainy or if they're not
great
>> Sam MAN ON MONDAY MR. Sam
>> you might be able to drop those into um
into uh uh
>> chat and clean them up and enhance them.
They're a little great and his voice he
he doesn't talk really. He mumbles. He's
old. He's like in his 70s and in bad
health.
>> I found him pretty I found him pretty
articulate though for
>> No, I did. It was It wasn't him. It's
that he's mumbling and it's not great
audio,
>> right?
>> He sounds kind of like what how I I
think I've been doing a pretty accurate
impression of him this whole time. So,
all right you guys. Wow. That has been I
I mean, if that wasn't our best episode,
I don't know what was.
>> You have to put
Was that
>> I love you, bro. I love you, bro. You
have to put I love you
>> in the in the packaging.
>> Probably maybe in the packaging.
>> I'm think maybe What about at least on
the thumbnail have a little like a
little cartoon blurb? I love you, bro.
>> It needs to be Sam.
>> It needs to be Sam
uh AI of Sam Little kissing Caitlyn
Jenner on the mouth for cuz he killed
the [ __ ] and saying to I'm going to
ask chat what a good serial killer name
would be. We're going to take the top
five and we're going to go with that.
And that has to be it's got to be and
it's got to be something.
>> They named They had one LAPD did
>> the choke and stroke killer. Oh my god.
It's pretty good. But it's a again it's
a little it's a little you know
>> what it's not it's not as catchy as
>> it's a it made me a little hard.
It's kind of it's kind of sensual.
>> Tell them what they can do.
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