Breaking news update. He has now
retracted his guilty plea. Matt, does he
have any action on this?
>> Basically, he was coerced [music] into
signing an agreement and pleading guilty
to something that he didn't actually do.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to
the Murder Men podcast. We are fresh off
the Netflix documentary about the Idaho
slasher, the Idaho University massacre.
Uh, and I got to say I found a lot of
redeeming qualities of many of the
serial killers that we have talked about
on this show. Matt, I could not find one
good thing to say about Brian Cobberger.
Uh, you guys all know about this. This
is what this shocked the nation. This is
one definitely the most infamous murder
case, the most highly publicized murder
case of that year,
>> 2022, I believe. Um,
>> it's brutal. This is Brutes McGoots,
right? Uh Brian Christopher Coberger
born November 2194.
Now he was a picked on kid. He was a big
fat kid from uh rural Pennsylvania. He's
from the the Poconos's. Okay. Now I'm
I'm not going to [ __ ] on because I see
the comments and I see the feedback and
I'm here for you. I'm here for the
customer.
>> All right.
>> I'm not going to [ __ ] on small town
America. But rural Pennsylvania
is a hell hole. A lot of weirdos.
>> It's tiny. it it well it's vast. It's
it's been completely stripped of all
industry. Every everybody's job's been
outsourced. You either work at Dunkin
Donuts or at a methodone clinic. This is
just a fact. And he'll tell you the same
thing, okay? There's just a lot of
weirdos. It's mountain people. It's half
Appalachia, half, you know, drug addict,
right? It's brutal. It's brutal. The
food is atrocious. The accent is awful.
There's zero identity.
>> Thank god you're Thank God you're not
going to [ __ ] on them.
>> Oh, no. No. These are just facts. I'm
not [ __ ] on you. I love you. I love
everybody.
>> Listen, uh my wife, her family is from
Pennsylvania. She just got back from
Pennsylvania. And you know what she was
telling me on the phone? She said, "You
know what's amazing?" I said, she goes,
"All the yards are manicured. Everybody
takes such good care of their yards and
their houses. Like everything's like
she's like, I mean, it's all from like
the 50s, but they everything doesn't
need paint." She's like, "It's really
good." And she and I said, "Well, why is
that?" She goes, she goes, "Oh, there's
nothing to do." that they they take
super pride in like mowing their yards
and doing like
>> I like that.
>> Yeah. They don't have Mexicans.
>> No,
>> they do it old school. They do it
themselves.
>> They don't make it up that far.
>> No, it's far. It's far north. It's far
north. You know, it's Pennsylvania
>> and they don't like the cold. They're
not used to the cold. I don't think Can
Mexicans function in the cold.
>> Oh, you haven't been to New York City in
a while. It's all Mexicans on bikes
delivering food.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. They made it all the way up there,
you know.
>> Must be generations of acclimating to
the weather.
>> For sure. For sure. or they're really
bundled up in that uh what is that? What
what is that? Uh the big fluffy
>> parkas jackets that you get with the you
know
>> Yeah. Parkas. The big the big bubble
coats. Well, you know why you know why
Mexicans evolved to be so short? It's
cuz you got to fit in into into the
trunk going across the border. You know
what I mean?
>> Come on. Nobody's a bigger Nobody is a
bigger friend of Mexicans than me.
Everybody knows this. Everybody knows
this.
>> No. I don't want to mow my own yard.
>> No. And look, I you know me. I've I've
smashed countless Mexicans. You know, I
am like literally half Mexican. So,
let's just focus on Pennsylvania. Uh
they're northern hicks. So, this is this
is the kind of person. But see, I I talk
about these small towns and these
environments because this is who birthed
this scum, this murderer who is now
claiming
breaking news update. He has now
retracted his guilty plea and is
appealing it. Matt, does he have any
action on this? No, he's he's got he's
he what in his his argument is that uh
basically he was coerced into signing an
agreement and pleading guilty to
something that he didn't actually do and
blah blah blah. It's like come stop it,
bro. When you go through all the
evidence,
>> it's over.
>> He's cooked.
>> You're done. You're done. Like, and he's
going to of course his argument is, oh,
it's all circumstantial. Okay. Well,
people that people say that like it's a
it's a like it's a get out of jail free
card. But most most murders and most
crimes are solved by circumstantial
evidence. Like there's not a photograph.
Like typically you're not killing
someone in front of a [ __ ] camera.
Like most of it's circumstantial. Like
it we this person saw his car. This was
a photograph from here. Here's the cell
phone data. Like there are explanations
that can get around it, but the the the
combination of all of them like, "Bro,
you did it,
>> buddy. They got your DNA,
>> right? They have his DNA." But of
course, he his whole thing is, "No, I I
lost." It's probably going to be like,
"Yeah, I did buy and we have your
Amazon, by the way." And it is
definitely your sheath from your your uh
knife, right? Your KBAR knife that you
bought from Amazon on your Amazon card
and paid for it with your credit card.
Like, stop it. Stop. It's yours. Yeah,
but I I lost that. See, what happened is
cut it. Stop. Stop. It was your vehicle
driving back and forth. It was like,
there's so much overwhelming
circumstantial evidence that proves that
it was you. Like, I get it. It's you
want to fill out file the paperwork out
so you can get out of out of jail every
once in a while. Right. Right.
>> It's hope.
>> It's hope. It's hope. Most of these
appeals, you know, we've all been in the
system. We've seen these poor souls just
hanging on to that appeal, talking about
that appeal.
>> Uh that's all it is is just delaying
>> the the inevitable weight of the doom
that you face cuz you're looking at doom
the rest of my life. Yeah.
>> In in protective custody because if this
guy goes to any kind of decent prison,
he's getting [ __ ] up because he's a
scumbag.
>> Yeah. He's not having a good time.
>> He's a And so, not only is he a
psychopath, he's a stupid [ __ ]
>> as we're going to see as we lay out the
the details of the case. I mean, he's
just a he's a dumbass, right?
>> So, um yeah, it's not it's beyond a
reasonable doubt.
>> I disagree. I actually think he's smart.
He just [ __ ] up.
>> No,
>> he play No, listen. He plans it out
pretty methodically. But yeah, there are
certain things that's the problem with
being smart but not being smart enough
to understand that you simply cannot
beat the surveillance and the of
everything inside. And then
>> they didn't have him on surveillance
though,
>> but they do have his photograph of his
vehicle and on top of that what they
have is the cell phone data which he
thought he was going to beat. So what he
does is he he puts his phone on airplane
mode before he leaves, drives around.
This is multiple times. He drives
around, they get him on the [ __ ]
camera, he comes back and immediately
turns this thing back on. Like, I get
it. Oh, they don't have my information.
Yes, but you shut off your phone. We put
it on him probably.
>> Okay, so we're going to argue about this
when when it comes time because I I
don't think it was that well. I don't
think he's that smart. I don't think it
was that well planned out. But
>> I think it's it's more well planned out
than most. That's what in the 1970s,
>> we don't even know who what his name is.
If this was the 1970s, we don't even
know his name. Dude, it was so much
easier. Show business was easier. Being
on the radio was easier. You and I would
have had television shows back in the
1970s. That's how low the bar was in
entertainment. Serial killing. You could
just bust into somebody's house and
[ __ ] stab him to death back then.
>> I just want to go through the details of
the murder first, okay? And then we'll
go back.
>> Okay. So, in the early morning hours of
November 13th, 2022, four University of
Idaho students were stabbed to death
inside of a rental house on King Road in
Moscow, Idaho. Moscow, Idaho. Lovely
little town. I've been there, driven
through it. Uh, that's where the
University of Idaho is. And it's four
like of the sweetest kids.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. You know, salt of the earth.
They're [ __ ] planting tulips,
you know? Like these are like good these
aren't like racist Idahoans. These are
not clans kid clansman kids. The these
are like just good
college students. Right. Right.
>> And a couple of them are going to grow
up to be baddies. I'm just saying. So
Kaye Gon Claves, 21, Madison Maggie
Mogan, 21. Zana Kernodal, 20. And Zana's
boyfriend, Ethan Chapen. Quadruple
homicide. There's two other roommates
that survive the attack. Did he just not
go? Were their rooms locked or do we
know why? I don't think he knew they
were in the they he I don't think he
even knew they were in the house. He was
in the kitchen when he realized one of
them was in the house cuz she opens a
door and looks at him and they lock eyes
>> for a second and then she closes the
door
>> and he he bolts. He was on his way out
but he was taking his time like he's
kind of hanging out in the kitchen. He
might have been washing off his [ __ ]
knife and he had a ski mask on.
>> He had a ski mask on. She did notice.
She said he had bushy eyebrows, but she
l looked right in his and she knew his
caucasians cuz [clears throat] so the
the holes must have been fairly large.
He's not that far away. We're talking
about 20 feet away.
>> Yeah. Yeah. She slides in. I I guess
they left the door open. I mean, that's
this is Idaho. So, this is like almost
no violent crime. That's just what
people do in small town America. They
still leave their doors open. Uh he
opens it up between and a.m.
Uh and he's got What is the knife that
he's carrying?
>> It's a KBAR. So,
>> so it's like a it's a military style
knife.
>> So, show the camera like how big is
that?
>> Oh, are you kidding me?
>> Oh, it's like
>> the grip is here. The knife is that
long.
>> It's like a bone crusher in prison. It's
like a [ __ ] sword almost.
>> Yeah, it it's it's like a military style
knife that like special forces kill.
>> God. And so he just he just walked into
these kids' rooms and started stabbing.
>> Yeah, that's what I don't understand is
that that there was no I I'm assuming
they were completely asleep.
>> Of course, a.m.
>> Right. So, I'm assuming that he started
off by st by killing at least one of
them and then basically telling them not
to don't say anything or you're going to
get killed. So, that's why they didn't
scream. But
>> because otherwise you would think that
if they had screamed that the other
roommates would have woken up.
>> Yeah.
>> But they didn't.
>> Yeah. No, that's that's a good point.
So, he did they found the kids in their
beds or in their rooms?
>> No. No. They're they're like one's
curled up on the floor dead one and the
other ones are I think believe are all
in bed.
>> Yeah. But but he he didn't just butcher
him like he spent time with them.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Because one of the girls heard
um him heard him saying to one of the
roommates, "It'll be okay. It's going to
be okay." Like something along those
lines. She never can quite. She's like
it was something like like it'll be all
right or you know it's going to be okay.
Something. She's like I don't know
exactly. It was it was something like it
was a male's voice and she wasn't sure
what was going on but she definitely
knew someone was in the room with her
roommate like
>> so so he was maybe giving orders like
hey you sit down here
>> something or he could have been laying
in bed with her I I don't know he could
have been who knows what he was doing
>> wow that is [ __ ] awful. So he leaves
uh it's obviously just tragic and
horrifying. There's [ __ ] blood
everywhere. Uh he leaves behind the
suspect leaves behind the knife sheath.
>> Yes,
>> it's a it's a a leather knife sheath.
You stupid [ __ ] Uh but thank
God he did.
>> Right. So, one of the one of them had
rolled over on it.
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>> Oh,
>> so when he gets up, he must not have
been It's kind of like, you know, he
must not have been able to
>> god damn it. I always do that. Where
where's my knife sheath?
>> So, for whatever reason, or may maybe he
just for I can't imagine he he just
forgot. I mean, he's walking around with
a [ __ ] open blade and these things
are sharp, right?
>> So, I I But whatever, maybe he did. Or
or maybe he was just got panicked and
thought, I I got to get out of here.
Mhm.
>> and thought it'll be fine. No big deal.
Not realizing that heat because so
obviously that kind of leather that
thick leather it is
>> doesn't pick up prints very well.
>> It it doesn't pick up prints very well
unless it's shined but it this was not
but it so it's a it's kind of a flat
right. But what it does is it it skims
it it easily takes off um your DNA your
skin. So he left skin cells DNA on the
on the sheath. But probably didn't think
anything of it, right? Cuz he's got
gloves on. But also you ordered this
thing at some point with a bare hands.
You did open and close it.
>> So I don't know.
>> Transference, especially with their
advanced technology, transference is a
guarantee unless you've wiped everything
down. I mean, you got to almost be like
Israel Keys, right? The way he would
wipe down his tool kits. Like you got to
be military disciplined with it.
>> So anyways, the the manhunt begins. So
now I want to talk about I want to go
back to the beginning and talk about
Brian Cobberger. Okay.
>> Uh born November 21 94 raised in
Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, Pocono
Mountains. Um you know ugly kid uh two
workingclass parents. Uh in school he's
picked on fat kid, right? And and when
you watch you know when you watch people
recounting how he was picked on, you
feel bad cuz you I don't know. Bullying
is awful. I was picked on for a couple
of like second, third, fourth grade. I
was kind of the bullied kid in school.
Um yeah, you're like, "Oh, that's [ __ ]
up." You know, you made this kid a
monster. Uh but as you go on through his
life, you see, oh, this guy was
>> No, I don't buy that mentally wrong.
>> This kid's off from the jump.
>> Um I, you know, there's no
>> Which may have been the reason he was
bullied,
>> right? Exactly. I mean, kids are kids
are uh perceptive,
>> right? You know,
>> yeah, he doesn't fit in. He's not Maybe
he doesn't fit in because he's being
bullied. Maybe he doesn't fit in because
he just doesn't fit in.
>> Well, that's the chicken and the egg.
It's like, do you get rid of bullying
because it creates monsters or do you
bully
>> to weed them out?
>> To weed them out, [laughter] but then
but then they still go on and kill. So,
I don't I don't know what the solution
is. Uh so, he's a big fat [ __ ] Uh, he's
bullied.
12th grade, he loses weight. Oh, good
for you. Yeah, go, boy. Oh, wait. It was
a an addiction.
>> It was a addiction. And when you see
these photos that he took of himself,
cuz the guy just loved to snap selfies.
>> He really liked to take a selfie.
>> Oh my god. And the guy I there's so much
there's so much good stuff later. I'm
not even going to talk about it right
now, but the guy had an awful body. He
was skinny fat. He He was skinny. He was
He looked like my body at its worst with
no working out but tits.
>> Yeah.
>> Skinny with tits is the is the worst man
body. Um
>> and by the way the the photos what they
they mentioned was like they show all
these these photos of him. I mean he's
he's stepping back 10 feet showing
himself like shirt off like flexing like
the whole you know selfies of himself at
the best angle. And I'm thinking if
that's your best angle and and always,
you know, with his shirt off and then
once he does this, he sends them
nowhere. It's not like you're taking a
shot and sending it to your buddy. I
just he doesn't even send them to girls.
>> I have I just have a whole colle I have
a whole file of just me with my shirt.
>> Look at him. There it is right there. Oh
my god. Was anybody shocked that this
guy went on to be a serial killer? Look
at him. Look at Look at He's pulling his
He's He's taking an ass shot.
Look, he looks like Mark Zuckerberg,
dude. He that he looks like a mix of
data from the original Star Trek and
Mark Zuckerberg. Look at Kobe.
>> Look at the lower left. Lower left.
That's That is some
>> Yeah, that's some Star Trek. That's some
Star Wars uh
>> Jedi Knights [ __ ] Yeah.
>> Wow. Wow. I mean, the Yeah,
>> but it's not like he was putting him on
a show on on a on a um a dating profile.
>> Doing it for himself.
>> Yeah.
>> Doing it for himself. He's like the
Joker. I just I just put lipstick on the
mirror just for me. I mean, the kid was
a couple bricks short of a load, as my
dad would have said, right? So, uh,
anyways, he finally kicks the Habit
after losing 80 pounds. [ __ ] got
mainline in that smack, dude. That good
smack before
>> that. Who who But but you're you're
you're in you're up in Pennsylvania.
>> No, no. This is one of the this is one
of the the areas devastated by opioids.
>> Oh, this is what they do.
>> No, no. It was the Florida, the north.
It was one of those places that first it
was uh Oxy's oxy's and Roxy's during the
like the early 2000s and then it became
smack. Like if you go to Philly now,
Philadelphia, it's all but now it's
>> once they made the uh oxy's too
expensive, they just moved to you just
created a whole
>> a whole market a whole market for for H.
>> Yeah, the the Sackler family basically
just created a whole market for the
cartels,
>> right? Uh so anywh who uh he loses 80
pounds uh but does kick the he kicks the
habit I don't know when he's in his
early 20s uh and ironically he pursues a
degree in criminal justice at the local
college.
>> Mhm.
>> Seriously. And then he goes on to get a
master's degree in criminology and you
know criminology fields.
>> Yeah. He's a he's a a PA, right? Like a
um a the teachers. Yeah, he's a
professor's assistant. Yeah. Yeah. So,
he he he gets a degree, he gets his
undergraduate at Northampton Community
College, transfers to D Sales University
in Central Valley, and then when he
pursues his higher education, when he
gets his uh his masters, he ends up at
Washington State University in Pullman,
Washington. That's eastern Washington,
very close to the Idaho border. Yeah.
And this is going to come into play in a
minute, obviously, right? Because you're
not far from Moscow, Idaho. So yeah,
he's uh and you know, people his
teachers and stuff like they thought he
was pretty good. They see Yeah, he was a
decently sharp kid. He seemed interested
in it. Um you know, obviously he's a
[ __ ] weirdo, but you know who's not
that's pursuing a degree in criminology,
right? College is for getting drunk and
and trying to [ __ ] chicks. So if you go
there with like trying to get a
education, it's weird.
>> It's crazy. Right. So WSU is roughly a
10mi drive from Moscow, Idaho. Yeah,
it's got to be right there on the border
then.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, that makes sense
because what I always wanted to know,
and I don't even know if this has ever
come out, is how did he identify the
victims if they're in a different town
and go to a different college?
>> Yeah. Uh, so one of the victims I know
on Instagram he was communicating with
back and forth. He was at least I think
they communicated a little bit and then
she kind of blew him off and I think he
was just leaving a whole bunch of
messages. But I I I don't know exactly
if they ever came up with an additional
um motive other than him being kind of
infactuated with one of the victims.
>> So there was some communication there.
Uh the other thing I wanted to mention
is he he did some kind of a um god I
forget which platform was it on. Was it
on Twitter or I forget where he actually
goes to the administration and he gets
permission to do like a a survey where
he's communicating with
>> uh former prisoners or whatever
criminals and he's he has a whole series
of questions about how do you choose
your victim? How did you feel? Why did
like he's asking all these questions
under the guise of uh a research project
that I'm thinking about doing, but
really he's it's giving him the ability
to talk to people that have been in
prison and committed heinous crimes
crimes.
>> Hey, that's what we do.
>> And [laughter] hey buddy, get your own
podcast, right?
>> Um so yeah, and and so he's able to ask
all of these in-depth questions. I don't
know if he's trying to figure out
himself, like am I a criminal or does he
know he's a criminal and he's trying to
kind of come up with a plan?
>> Well, that's what it seems like. And by
the way, I don't think if you're coming
at it from a good place, I don't think
that's a bad idea. You're a criminology
uh student major. Let me talk to ex
criminals. But problem is these guys are
usually studying like violent crime from
guys that will never get out of prison.
You know what I Like you don't see a lot
of people that have committed
murder, brutal murder, and they're just
out walking around, right?
>> So, I think it was uh I think it was him
studying. Truly, I think it was him cuz
when you look at it, okay, he's he's
interviewing criminals. He's taking he's
pursuing a higher degree in how police
catch criminals.
>> Right. Right.
>> I mean, all the way down to like
forensics. like he's learning about the
technology, the most modern technology
the police use to catch murderers.
That's why to me he's such a dumb [ __ ]
because he knows all this stuff. He's a
master student,
>> right?
>> And he's still leaving behind a knife
sheath and buying a knife on Amazon and
taking his own car. You know what I'm
saying? etc. I think a lot of these guys
are also thinking, does it matter that I
have this stuff on me?
>> Because as long as I take enough
precautions for them to ever get to me.
So, does it matter that I've been
looking these things up on my computer?
No. Why? Because they're never going to
get to me. You know, I'm going to commit
this crime. I'm going to commit this
kind of remote crime over here
>> and the police are going to show up and
they're going to investigate that crime
and there's nothing linking me to the
crime. they will never be able to get my
computer
>> cuz they'll never know.
>> They'll never know it's me, right?
>> So, I I think that that's the thought
process. And as far as the the survey
thing, I think it can be a combination
of both. I think one, he's interested,
but two, I also think he's kind of
probably doing this to to figure out,
you know, how can I get away with this?
I think this is something that was in
his mind for a long time.
>> Yeah.
uh kind of like um uh Keys, Israel Keys,
where he he had been thinking about
these crimes and and put real
forethought into those crimes.
>> Oh, this guy wishes he was Israel Keys,
dude.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Israel Keys got away
with it for quite a while. But yeah,
this guy
>> Israel Keys is like a Israel Keys is
like a better looking, like an actual
good-looking version of this guy. Gangly
white dude,
>> right?
>> Uh you know, chiseled face. Uh but but a
a pro. A pro.
>> But I also think that It's a bomb
>> that this guy is um kind of proof that
we're just not going to see these kinds
of serial killers that kill 40 people,
50 people. This guy has one act he
commits. Tried I think he tried
desperately to get away with it.
>> I think he did surveillance. I think he
did all kinds of things that in his mind
were masking
uh his connection to these to these
girls. Mhm.
>> And as a result of that, um, he still
got caught.
>> Yeah.
>> He still got caught just because there's
some stuff he could not he could not
account for the DNA. You know, in in his
mind, he probably wiped the knife down.
Like he probably thought, "Yeah, I did
open it with my hands,
but you know, um, you know what I'm
going to do? I I'll wipe it down real
good. It and it's also going to be I'm
not going to use it for a month or two
from now." And so he may not realize
like it doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter. 5 years from now, it's still
there.
>> Hey, when you're committing a heinous
quadruple homicide, you can't go, "Ah,
it'll be fine." Or or the other option
is this. What if he had actually picked
it up with some gloves, but the gloves
on the outside of the gloves had his
DNA? People have no idea that you're you
understand my DNA right now, even if you
remove the donut, my DNA is all over
this. I've touched this thing all over
the place every time. And what they do
now is they they take a little bit of
it. They clone the DNA, right?
>> They get like
>> nothing and they clone it and then they
have enough to [ __ ] test it over and
over again. You're like, "Right,
>> I barely touch I barely touch." Yeah.
That was it. That's all it takes now.
>> So you need you would need gloves,
>> brand new to purchase gloves.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> To to then wipe down the knife with and
then you have to make sure the gloves
that you purchase the gloves with don't
have any prints on No, you need gloves
to open the box of gloves that you got
to put on the gloves. Then when you get
the you buy the knife and when you open
it, you open it with the gloves on.
>> Yes. Right.
>> Then you see like like literally like do
you have any [ __ ] idea? Like you're
just not going to be able to get around
it.
>> No, you would have to be in like
>> a lab.
>> You would have to be in a lab.
>> Yeah. A a pressurized lab.
>> Yes. You would actually have to have a
DNA expert. Like if you had your own DNA
kit, wiping kit, you'd have to have
help. Okay. So, after you get ready to
go commit the murder, right, right
before you get ready to go commit the
murder, you have a DNA person
going over you, making sure you don't
have any loose DNA that's going to
transfer or fall off,
>> right? And then how do you even get to
the place? How do you get back? How do
you not get caught on camera? How do you
not get your your vehicle picked up? How
do you What about your cell phone, your
digital footprint that you're leaving?
>> At this point, I'm out. Such a pain in
the ass.
>> I'm just going to get a job at the
factory.
>> I might as well just go get a job at the
bank. I'll be a teller. It'll be fine.
>> Oh, it'll be fine. I'm going to go to
Europe next year.
>> Cuz you're going to cuz honestly, you're
going to get caught and you're going to
be in a [ __ ] prison cell and think,
you know, I could have got I could have
just spent more time watching Netflix.
>> Okay, so Brian Coberger, he's in the
years 21 and 22. He is uh going he's
getting his master's degree at
Washington State. His professors did
think it was kind of weird that he
wanted to interview ex-criminals.
>> Yeah. But
>> it makes sense.
>> You know, sense made enough sense. Yeah.
>> Uh he some students did say after they
were interviewed that he did kind of
make them uncomfortable in class.
>> Um so this is just not and when you see
him in court like this is just not a a
charismatic guy. You don't get the sense
that he's he's got a high IQ. Uh
certainly not good-looking. He's dirty.
Uh he's
>> I threw dirty in there. I threw dirty in
there.
>> It's just Yeah. I don't know. You just
got nothing good to say about this guy.
>> He's an awkward guy. um super awkward
>> and and not great people skills. A lot
of the uh a lot of the students said
that he made him feel uncomfortable. And
uh what's interesting too is I I'd love
to say yeah, you know, but like like
what was his name? What's the guy?
>> Israel Keys, which is his employer was
like [ __ ] amazing worker. Like his
his the the the professor he worked for
was like not a great [ __ ] worker.
>> No, not a great worker. He was
inconsistent.
>> Totally slipping. And he said the last
couple months he said he had kind of uh
um talked to him several times about his
duties about he's basically not he
haven't been really grading the papers
like they uh he's literally putting a
hundred on papers and walking them
through. But at one point the guy he he
was he knew he was about to get fired.
He knew that was coming because he had
been repeatedly talked to and they they
basically said, "Listen, you're probably
at the end of this at the end of this
quarter is probably going to be we're
not going to sign you up for next
quarter." Like that's probably what's
going to happen unless something
changes. He had about two weeks left and
of course the professor nothing changed.
>> So at this time because that might have
been the the key factor
>> or he was no or I think he was already
planning it because and keep in mind
around the time it started his his bad
behavior started as far as being at work
being uh um he started ordering he
ordered the KBAR. He starts
communicating with this girl a little
bit prior to that.
>> Which girl? Do we know which one?
>> Oh [ __ ] I
>> So one of the victims though.
>> One of the female victims. Yes.
>> So and he's like DMing her and she's
getting back to him.
>> He he Yes. He they actually uh swapped a
couple of of um messages and then she
just stopped responding. Yeah. Like he's
creepy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He was probably one of the
pictures he sent her.
>> Yeah. She she probably checked out and
said, "Ah, that's a lot of photo of
yourself."
>> Have you ever seen this? A lower back on
a shitty used to be fat guy.
>> You ever seen stretch marks?
>> Like he's not even posting the pictures.
So anyway, the point is is that uh
>> when they arrested him, he had 18
contacts in his phone. 18. How many do
you have? Like a thousand at least.
>> Are you kidding me?
>> Thousands. Thousands.
>> 18.
>> I don't even Right. I know. I be I
begrudgingly
contact I I I have to respond to people.
>> Uh one of the Did you see that the one
of the girls that he grew up with who
was an actual friend?
>> Yes. The chubby chubby chick.
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hymns.com. She goes, people were not his
strong suit.
>> Yeah, imagine that.
>> I've actually said that before.
>> I've used that before about you.
>> No, just in general with people. I'm
like, h, you know, that's people are not
his strong suit. Like, this is not a
people person.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's a good way of saying he's not a
people person.
>> But that's Yeah, you're going to have a
tough road in life. You're have a tough
hall in life if you're not a people
person. you better be talented as [ __ ]
>> She was crying quite a bit during the
interview. Like this was like her 15
minutes, you know? This is like a you
could tell this is the biggest thing
that's ever going to happen to her is I
knew a guy that butchered these [ __ ]
people.
>> Yeah, she was she was giddy.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so anyh who, so it's around this time
he gets fired that he later on they they
see that it's it's actually months that
he's stalking this house in Moscow,
Idaho. months because they're able to go
back and ping
>> after they arrest him. He's driving
around that area in his white Honda
Elantre.
>> Yeah. Um, initially when they Well, it
it Well, I don't know if how you want to
do it, but initially when they do find
out that he they they get the footage of
the Elantra, they actually have the they
have the year wrong. That's why it took
them so long. Expert come in and and and
say cuz you saw the photos. If you were
an expert, you'd probably be able to get
it pretty close. Like it wasn't so clear
that you were like, "Oh, [ __ ] That's a
BMW 325."
>> Um, you was like, "It's something." But
an expert came in and said, "It's
between it's this this vehicle, this
make between these years." And he was
one year off.
>> Yeah. You know what I found interesting
is that they didn't get the license
plate. Like no cameras picked them up.
>> No.
>> No. No cameras picked them up going in
there. Um it wasn't like an open andsh
shut thing, right? Like it took off
cameras.
>> Yeah. Right. There was uh of course of
course uh later on today,
>> but they did still catch him.
>> They still caught him. There you go.
>> Not not a great argument.
>> And let's face it, it only took him a
month, a month and a half.
>> And they only it only took him a month,
month and a half because the the expert
had was one year off.
>> If he had actually named the I bet they
had him in a [ __ ] week.
>> How so? because they because they spent
several weeks um re reviewing how many
white uh Elantra, you know, 2015 to 2017
where if they had had the if they had
had the model 20, you know, 2014, which
it was, I don't know exactly
>> would have narrowed the point,
>> but they would have been looking for the
right one. They're they're excluding
that one immediately. So once they
exhaust them all and they look at it,
they say, you know what, let's w
somebody says, let's widen it. Let's go
another couple years each way. How many
more are they? Well, [ __ ] that's a whole
bunch. Well, let's do that. And then
they do it and then they go, "Oh [ __ ]
there's a guy guy at the [ __ ] uh uh
at the at the school who's a PA. This is
what he looks like. This is" and so
they're like, "Okay, that that could be
our guy,
>> right?" Okay, so they got a tip. Okay,
so this is all kind of coming to a head.
He's about to get fired at the end of
the semester, right, of 2020. So it's
like the fall semester is his last, you
know, last harrah as the professor's
assistant.
>> Uh November 13th, 22 at a.m. the
murders happen. Okay. Uh he's not picked
up on camera, flees the scene, obviously
drives back to Washington State. Uh
you're right. The How do they initially
start moving the case forward? Because
there's not a lot of clues at the
beginning.
>> Um right. So, well, they they check and
they see this the one car over. Well, of
course, listen, they they do they have
some evidence. They just don't know what
it connects to, right? Like, we've got
this sheath. There's no knife in the in
the house that the the ME says, "Hey,
this is this is whatever was in here is
what was used to kill these women." Um,
did you know that even though the girl
saw him when she wakes up and sees this
guy with the ski mask, she then I think
she communicates with she texts one of
the other girls and then she comes down
into her room and they stay they stay
the night in the room. They don't call
for like 8 hours. Like this is in the
middle of the night. They don't call
till like 2 o'clock or something
>> um
>> in the afternoon.
>> Yeah. Like like they and when they
initially call, they're not saying that
my our roommates are murdered. What
they're say is we have a roommate that
won't wake up.
>> She's passed out. They think she's drunk
or something. I I'm not
>> the girls like [ __ ] or is that what
like trauma does? You just don't even
believe what's what your eyes are
saying. I just think, you know, when you
said there's blood everywhere, I don't
think there was blood everywhere in
every room. I think that maybe the
roommate they found had been killed
while she slept
>> and so maybe the sheets were over and
they maybe they get went up there and
they're pushing her and she's not waking
up. They're like, "Oh my god, she's not
waking up." And they're not realizing if
they pull the sheet back there's [ __ ]
blood. She's dead. You know, so
initially they don't they just think
she's they think she may be dead, but
basically what they're saying is we have
a roommate, she won't wake up. They're
focused on her. They don't even go in
the other rooms. So, they call the
police. The police come down there.
They're being told there's an
unresponsive female
that is not uh uh that they these girls
can't wake up. They get down there. They
go in and when the cops go in, the cop
goes in, they don't show it. They show
have body Yeah.
>> body cams, by the way. They black it
out. They go in and the and the cop is,
you know, leans over to kind of see if
he can wake her up. And then all of a
sudden, he goes, "Oh, shit." And he
goes, "Uh, okay. We've got a homicide."
He goes, "Okay. Everybody back up, you
know, and that and suddenly he calls and
said, "Listen, we got a homicide down
here. We got a like this is not what
what I thought was happening."
>> So these these girl these victims, well,
it's three girls and and a guy. They
must have not screamed.
>> No.
>> I mean, how stupid could you be though
as a as the roommate? You see a guy in a
mask, you hear panicked whispering.
Like, is that that might just be like a
trauma response? Or maybe they were
scared to death and they were like,
"Okay, I'm not even going to leave the
room. I'm not even going to pick my
phone up till p.m. the next day to
call. That's wild.
>> Yeah,
>> maybe they were in on it.
>> But so then then at that point when they
searched the house, they found the other
they find the other victims. I'm pretty
sure that's how how it that seems how
that seems to me the way it w it looked
on what I've seen from the body cam
because they really showed up for one
person and then I guess they find the
other ones.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think the police find them. I
don't think the other [ __ ] I maybe
they didn't think they were home. I'm
not sure. It's not real clear. I'm sure
people in the [ __ ] comments will tear
me apart, but I watched three [ __ ]
docks on this and it never was clear.
>> Listen, only the the one on Netflix is
the one
>> that really shows the body the the body
cameras
>> that and and I watched that one and that
one the whole time they're on their way
there. And when they get there, it's
just for one girl. We can't wake up this
one girl. So, I'm assuming when they got
there, that's when they find the other
bodies.
So weird. That is so weird to me. Um, so
yeah, so basically they walk out of
there with the de with the the the knife
sheath, but you know, again, this kind
of this kind of uh DNA, it takes a few
weeks. You got to send it to the lab.
You're not just going to get a print
right away,
>> right? But even when they get it and run
it, like he's not in the system.
>> Well, he runs it. They they do run it
and it's Coberger. It's a family
lineage. They put it through the DNA
sites just like they did with the Golden
State Killer. They put it into one of
these genealogy sites and they and it
came back with the name Covert.
>> So that was part of it. It was
>> Is that what happened?
>> Yeah, absolutely. So this is the order
of events as far as I understand it.
Okay. That the the
>> clues, right? The the garbage. The
garbage. I'm sorry. Yes. They get
something off the garbage. All right.
But so that's how you're So is that
>> that was kind of more of the the nail in
the coffin. Okay. So, the first clue, it
takes about two or three weeks,
>> uh, the Honda the
>> they already have the the
>> first off security camera footage from
the town, right? It's a small town. So,
they're combing through the footage and
they see this white Hyundai Elantre, you
know, in the area circling. It's got
Washington or it's got like Pennsylvania
plates, right? So, they say, "Okay,
that's a vehicle of interest." Uh, they
put it out to the to the world. Do do
you know anybody we're interested in
talking to this person? And by the way,
they're lining people up. People from
the community are coming forward to the
the father of one of the victims and
like showing that they don't have any
like attack scars or anything like so
there's paranoia going on, right? They
don't know who they think it's it's
somebody from Moscow, Idaho.
>> It could be one of the neighbors.
>> Um but the the biggest break comes when
somebody calls the cops at Washington
State and they say, "Oh yeah, there's a
I think it was a cop on campus. Uh, hey,
we have a white Honda Hyundai Elantre
here. Um, they so they identify the
owner. They identify, okay, this is uh
registered under a Brian Cobberger.
Okay, that's all they have so far. He
then drives across the country with his
father,
>> right?
>> Like after to to to start the winter
break. So, it's like the end of
November. It's after Thanksgiving. Uh,
and he drives with his dad all the way
back
clear across the country to their house
in eastern Pennsylvania.
>> They get stopped along the way by They
get stopped twice.
>> Twice
>> for tailgating. No, for what is it? Tail
what is it? For riding someone.
>> Yeah, he's speeding. Yeah, like riding
riding somebody's bumper.
>> What do you call that? Do you call that
tail?
>> I mean, that technically is tailgating.
Yeah, but it's like riding a bumper or
something like that. It's uh he's
speeding. And you know what actually
happened? They they dug up footage later
on of him getting pulled over in Moscow,
Idaho for speeding. So this guy's
[ __ ] speeding,
>> right?
>> And so the state trooper in Indiana
pulls him over and you see from his body
cam footage. He goes, "Where you guys?"
He goes, "Where are you guys headed?"
And the dad starts, "Oh, we're going
across the country." Brian goes, "We're
going to get Thai food."
[snorts]
So he's he's autistic. This kid is a
[ __ ] weirdo. Um but that that was not
set up like the feds they weren't
tracking him across the country like
they didn't have you know the fly over
uh you know planes or whatever. It
wasn't like um you know the feds can do
that like they'll have a state trooper.
They're following your car. They think
you got a load of drugs or something and
they'll call up the troopers in
>> Illinois and say hey make it look like a
traffic stop. Right.
>> It wasn't anything like that. It was
just him being a [ __ ] dumbass and
speeding after you just committed a
quadruple homicide.
>> You know, you fool.
>> I was going to say, you know, I hear
about these guys cuz he gets pulled
over. He's go It's a And I guess in
Moscow it's a 30. He's It's a 35 and he
gets pulled over for like 42.
>> Yeah.
>> You would never get pulled over for
doing 42 and a 35 in Florida.
>> I absolutely I do it every day when I'm
driving. 80 [ __ ] miles an hour the
entire way here. I [laughter] passed a
[ __ ] Tampa PD officer. You know what
I'm saying? I slowly just drove right by
him. It's like and the speed limit 70.
Yeah. You know, and there's just not you
almost you have to be you have to be
driving fairly recklessly and extreme
speed to get pulled over.
>> That's why I love the red states, man.
Speed limits. It's Montana. It's you
just kind of go how fast you think is
safe. Yeah. That's literally what the
signs.
>> And some some of the Texas don't they
don't even have Yeah. On some of the
interstates they don't even have [ __ ]
speed.
>> Yeah. Just go. Just go.
>> But they will they will pull your ass
over though in Texas cuz they want the
money. No. Cuz they want the money now.
Okay.
>> So it depends what what area you're in.
>> Um
>> and by the way, this guy
>> he's he's got a [ __ ] personality. Like
he's not you see it.
>> Yeah. Something's not right.
>> Like in the Moscow Idaho traffic stop,
he's not you know, my dad calls it like
the attitude test, right? And I don't
like cops. I It bothers me when they
pull me over, but I I give them a
[ __ ] shining I give them the best of
me.
>> Yes, sir. Absolutely.
>> Thank God you pulled me over. I was
>> Oh, thank
>> I deserve this ticket.
>> Thank you for keeping me safe. Thank you
for giving us all safe. Oh, you know
what I do? I cop to him.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I learned this while I was trafficking
because we we sometime we got pulled
over a couple times with like lots of
pounds in the trunk. What you do is you
immediately cop to the small thing so
they don't get pissed off and start
snooping around. Ah,
>> I was coming down the turn there. Did
was I flooring it? Yeah, you were. Yeah,
man. You were going like like 20 miles
over. Ah, [ __ ] Okay, my bad. Yeah,
>> do what you got to do.
>> You're not going to argue your way out.
>> No, no, you're he's going to do what
you're going to do. You maybe offer a
little bit of an excuse. You're like,
"Fuck.
>> [ __ ] I'm late for church."
>> But this Right. I do. But I'm going to
I'm going to
>> I didn't get a ticket for being late for
church, by the way. I did.
>> You know what my buddy used to do? You
know what my buddy used to? A comedian.
He's a a drunk driver. Like habitual
drunk driver. He did this one when he
got gets pulled over drunk. The [ __ ]
comes up. He goes, "Oh, was I speed?"
Dude, I'm so sorry. I'm I'm on my way to
do a show for the troops and I just I'm
late and the cop without fail. And this
was like in San Diego. So Pendleton's
right there. They love their their cops,
their troops. He he would go, "Oh, get
out of here, man. You're good. just just
to be slowed down a little bit.
>> I I my fa my my favorite is when the the
the
guy gets pulled over and he says uh he
says, "Oh my gosh." He said, "Our I got
to tell you something." He said, "I
I'm I'm I've got drugs in the back of
the car. [laughter] I got drugs." Yeah.
There's stuff in the tire in the in the
thing. I'm I'm I'm driving for some
Mexicans. They made me do it. I I'm so
sorry. And the guy's like, "Really?"
He's like He's like, "Yeah." He's like,
"Well, I'm going to I'm going to have to
call in, you know, the the Yeah. calls
call somebody in." So, he calls them in,
calls in the the more deputies. They
show up. They pop the trunk. They open
it up. They cut open the [ __ ] tire.
They go They go, "There's there's
nothing in this tire." And but while
that's happening, they've got the
suspect in handcuffs being held by
another by like the the chief of police
or something. And he's standing there
>> and he's like, "What are we doing here?
What is going on?" He says that you've
got drugs. He said, "I have drugs."
Said, "You have drugs?" And and then
when they then while they're searching,
he goes, he said, "That guy's a [ __ ]
liar." I bet you said he was speeding,
too. [laughter]
You
>> That's a good one.
>> And they don't find the drugs and they
got to let him go.
>> Oh, that's great.
>> Anyway, it's horrible. I told it I told
it really bad.
>> You'd probably get at least like lying
to a cop. The cops would be so pissed
that they would figure out something to
bring you in.
>> If they didn't have body camera, now
it'd be like, "That's not what he said
at all. Here's the body cam." But back
then that might have worked once,
>> right? Um, okay. So, the point is this
guy gives the cop like the [ __ ]
attitude, which I don't like.
>> Yeah, that's that's stupid.
>> Yeah, he's given the attitude. This guy
just is is a complete loser scumbag. I
have not, you know, principally I'm
against the death penalty just because,
and I'm not saying people don't deserve
to die. many of these people do, but I
just on a a principal stand as a
libertarian, I don't like granting the
government the power to kill its own
citizens.
>> But I've never come across a killer
since we doing this podcast that's
that's I'm more deserving that is more
remorseless, cold, nothing there, just
complete useless waste. Um I wouldn't
have minded if they had given this dude
the needle.
>> Yeah. Uh, anyways, let's personally
think that they should be using it more
often and they should lower the bar.
>> Florida [ __ ] No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no. We don't want that. Um, it's
plenty low here in Florida. I think they
just I think they just fried a couple of
people people yesterday.
>> Yeah. Two two the same day.
>> Two for one, dude.
>> Yeah. Now, since we have everyone here.
>> Yeah. Like,
>> and it's not like if you're
>> You guys don't get overtime. Okay.
>> Not like you're on death row and you're
thinking, "Well, maybe Dantis will."
[snorts]
>> Wrong. No, these people are not
>> fish is not calling.
>> I just talked to Fishbach and even
Fishbach, he ain't
>> No,
>> he he's he's Fishbach is progressive in
many ways, but he ain't
>> Yeah. It's got to be
>> he ain't coming to save you.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so
the car, the Elantra, that's the they
that's their first clue, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Now, again, still not a suspect until
>> Well, they need his DNA. So, they have a
lead. This Elantra was driving around
the that block
>> five six times within that an hour or so
of the murder and then right after the
murder he we see the Elantra leave. So
we think it's something to do with the
Elantra. Makes sense. Now we've got the
cop the the security guard or cops on
the campus saying, "Hey, there's an
Elantra."
>> I think at that point they probably were
like, "It's a year off, but it is a
white Elantra." They said, "Oh, it might
be the same one." Okay, now they've got
a name, his name,
>> right? They got
>> they have the sheath with the DNA. We
have to connect. Can we connect this DNA
with the kid who's driving the Elantra?
So, that's kind of how the case is
progressing.
>> So, do they get the cell phone pinging
before the DNA match?
>> But they don't have his phone number
yet. So, they don't know yet. No. So,
they don't have anything yet because
they just have his name. I think at that
point,
>> do you know how they got his phone
number?
>> Probably just ask anybody, right?
>> No, no, no. They got it because a really
interesting way and I remember thinking,
"Okay, if I ever murder somebody, I got
to remember to not do that." He gave his
phone number over to
>> But the cop
>> That's right.
>> The cop said," he goes, "He even says,
"Why do you need that?" He said, "I
don't know. They want us to put it on
the
>> No, it was Yes. the Moscow, Idaho
traffic stop before the murders." Like
like
>> it wasn't a ruse. It wasn't a ruse.
>> No, no, he it's because basically they
Yeah. They just put it into the database
and if you have a ticket and you need to
show up for court or whatever, it's just
it's admin. They just want to have your
phone number on file. So he gives his
cell phone over to that cop and then a
couple months later the murders happen.
>> They're like, "Oh, it's on the [ __ ]
phone."
>> And so now they they connect his name
with the white Honda Elantre to the
phone number, right? So then they get up
on his phone,
>> right?
>> And then they're digging a little more.
Now, my understanding is, and I could be
wrong here because but because I I
actually here's what's funny is when we
were talking about this case, I didn't
realize until I got home and started
researching it that I actually had done
research on the case about a year or two
and we interviewed a guy on remote about
this case.
>> So, I already knew a bunch about it. I
was like, "Oh, this is the same guy."
Everybody was calling it like the Idaho
sorority killers.
>> Wasn't a sorority. I know, but it was it
was something like when we were talking
about it, I was like it. Okay. So, I was
like, I don't know anything about this.
When I got home and I saw I saw
Coleberger, I was like, oh, I [ __ ]
I've already done I I talked to somebody
about this. Like, so what ends up
happening is is my understanding that
now they've they feel like we've got we
got some circumstantial evidence that
kind of points to this guy.
>> And so, at that point, they I'm not sure
if they get a warrant or not because it
was a kind of a dicey situation where
they pull the garbage.
>> Well, hang on though. Hang on though.
It's I I cuz it's important
that they I want to know did they ping
the phone? I think they pinged it after
just as like just as more evidence just
as more motive.
>> I think it takes a little bit of time to
get the phone data. I don't think it's
just a phone call. It's probably it
probably requires
>> well you got to go get warrants and you
got I think that was supplemental but to
me that's very that's building a motive.
It's building because if you're a
prosecutor you're building a story
around it.
>> It also Yeah. They also didn't get the
car right away. You know, it took a week
or two to get the car because [snorts]
their initial search didn't reveal the
car because they were off by the date,
by the time.
>> So, it came in that the DNA, like they
ran the DNA from the sheath that they
got, so the clip on the sheath, it's a
metal button. That's where the DNA was.
It wasn't on the leather part cuz that's
it's hard for DNA to stick to leather.
The dumbass put his [ __ ] finger on
like the little metal clip. That's where
they pulled the print.
>> Oh, I kind of I just assumed it was from
the sheath itself.
>> No.
>> Um,
>> so they ran that through a genealogy
site.
>> Okay.
>> And they came up with the name Coberger.
>> It was his father.
>> It was uh
>> or was he in the site? Cuz he he would
have had to have
>> committed a crime and been in the
system. No,
>> I thought it had something to do with
the father. They connected like the this
person this DNA is connected with
is related to this person who is in the
database.
>> Yes.
>> At that point I think they pulled the
garbage.
>> Yes. So that's so because remember they
have to find out where this guy lives.
So when they saw that it was the dad
Cobberger that's when they put it
together about who Brian Cobberger was.
>> Okay.
>> You know what I mean? So yes that's
>> at some point they pulled the garbage. I
remember it was a big deal that they
pulled the garbage.
>> It's coming that
>> you would think they already that should
be enough to me. That should be enough
to get a warrant, go in this [ __ ]
house and grab everything that we need,
>> but they still they that they don't
though. They pull the they
>> they just wanted an exact match. So,
they go over there, they either the feds
or I don't know exactly how they do it
or if they get the sheriff of whatever
uh Pennsylvania county they live in.
They went and they wait until they put
the trash down. They found a a Q. They
go through the trash outside his parents
house. They pull a Q-tip,
run the run the DNA, and sure enough,
it's a match. It's a match between uh
Coberger, right? The Coberger DNA. So,
but I I think they can pretty quickly
see that it's not his dad who committed
the killings because
>> it's the car. It's the car.
>> It's It's the car. It's his car.
>> It's the car, but then the cell phone
evidence comes in.
>> And this is important because they can
see, holy [ __ ] [ __ ] They can even
see when your phone is off.
Wild. So they see that for a few months
he has been in the Moscow area
>> driving around this house over he's
crossing state lines and then he's
driving around this house at night. He's
stalking these girls seeing when they
come home if they're there. I wonder if
he was planning on
um I wonder if it was like he was ready
to go at any time and waiting for an
opportunity and then that was just the
night of the opportunity or was he
building up his confidence or was it
just stalking during the
>> during those uh those drivebys?
>> Yeah, I think it was I think it was he
was building up his confidence. He
probably identified the victim, right?
Identified the house. He knew from maybe
the DMing,
>> right? that that's how he I don't know
how he found out where she lived. Um,
but yeah, it's probably just building up
his confidence, I would assume. And so,
uh, they they also see that he wiped a
bunch of data from his computer. So,
again,
>> he's doing that all the time.
>> The whole time he was cuz he's a
criminology guy. He's not that stupid.
He sees, okay, this is what cops like
you learn about the obstacles that cops
have, and that's data wiping technology.
So, but from the
>> Yeah, I always feel like they're going
to I I I always feel like they're going
to they're going to [ __ ] find it
anyway.
>> Well, that almost becomes
a a damnation in itself.
>> Why are you wiping your phone?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, between this block of
time, two weeks before the murder until
after the murders are committed, all of
your all of your information is wiped
from your from devices.
>> Same. But also like at during this time
when we see the Elantra, you're
literally get you're picking you're
grabbing your phone and you are hitting
airplane mode and then you're getting in
your car, driving over there and
circling the block and then coming back
and the same time period we see the
Elantra leaving the area. Same time
period it would take to get back to your
apartment,
>> you turn your phone back, take your
phone back off of [ __ ] um airplane
mode. Like they stop.
>> They can see all that. They can see all
that. You can't bring your phone.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what is airplane mode supposed to
do?
>> It it it allows for supposedly it it
stops your data from going out. Right.
Or you receiving data. Right.
>> Right. So, they have airplane mode for
like when you get on an airplane, you're
not allowed. And they say put your phone
on airplane mode. But I you know, so I I
mean I've never do it.
>> I refuse.
>> I don't Yeah, I refuse. I don't care.
>> But sometimes I do. I don't know.
>> Yeah. Sometimes
>> if I if I can get Wi-Fi, that's how you
get Wi-Fi on the plane is you got to put
on airplane mode. But I I I don't see if
they can see
>> means nothing.
>> If they can see where your phone they
like, how do you not know as a
criminology student in 2022 that the
cops, not even the feds, the [ __ ]
local pigs can tap into your phone and
see where it was, what time it was off,
>> all that [ __ ] all your dickpicks. Why
would he think turning it on airplane
mode would do anything? I I don't know
how how first of all, how important is
it that you have your [ __ ] phone with
you anyways? Just leave it at home.
Yeah. How important is it at 3 You have
no friends.
>> You have 18 contacts in your phone.
Nobody's calling.
>> Nobody's calling you. So, and at in
the morning, you have an excuse to as to
why you didn't answer the phone. I was
sleeping.
>> Exactly.
>> The [ __ ]
>> Exactly. You know who he liked talking
to on the phone? Mother.
>> Mother. That was weird. Mother. He has
his parents in his phone listed as
mother and father.
>> Odd.
>> And some some people look deep into it
after they pulled the phone records.
>> It shows that he was talking to his
mother on the phone for like four hours
at a time.
I love my mom, but yo,
>> are you kidding me?
>> Yo, [ __ ] you. That's crazy.
>> Yeah, I'm in and out, man.
>> And you've dated you've dated um you've
dated Hispanics, right? Yeah.
>> Listen, I remember the first time I went
on a date with my ex-wife who's Puerto
Rican. She asked me, she goes, "Are you
close with your family?" And I went,
"Yeah, yeah." I said, "My" So, we we
have dinner, the whole family has dinner
probably probably once a month.
>> And she goes and she went and she and I
went,
>> "Oh, that's cute."
>> Yeah. She goes, "No, seriously." I went,
"No, seriously." She goes, "You have how
often do you talk to your mom?" I went,
"Maybe once a week." She goes, "Once a
week? You're serious? And I went, yeah.
She goes,
>> I have dinner with my parents every
night. I talk to my mom at least 20
times a day.
>> And I was like,
>> it's insane, bro.
>> On purpose?
>> Yeah.
>> Are you [ __ ] like I trying to get away
from these people. What are you Are you
serious?
>> Yeah. That's my mother and that's my mom
and and sister.
>> I used to get
>> It's too much.
>> Yeah, it is. I used to get the idios,
you know, white people. What's wrong
with you? I used to hear that all the
time. It's crazy.
>> It's crazy. Mother and father. What
white guy talks to his mother for 4
hours at a [ __ ]
>> What are you talking about? There's
nothing to talk about. You have no
friends. You have no plans.
>> If you have that kind of that much in
common with your uh with your
middle-aged mother,
>> a woman.
>> Yeah, you are. Well, it is it is that
thing. Uh it is that kind of like
infantile almost like a Freud would call
it almost like a sexual relationship. a
non a nonsexual romantic relationship
between mother and son. Yeah. And he was
an only child. He probably was doted on
and ma made excuses for and and all
that. So,
>> uh he Yeah. They call him autistic,
which I kind of believe.
>> He's a psychopath with a touch of
autism. That was a defense, one of the
defense uh strategies at the beginning.
And I can kind of see it, but he's way
more monster. Like if you look just did
you look at him in court as the the
victim statements are being made.
>> Just nothing.
>> Yeah.
>> Nothing.
>> Uh so it's on December 30th.
>> They let the guy have Christmas.
>> Nice.
>> That's nice. They let the guy have their
last Christmas together with mother and
father. Uh and then they beat the door
down. They did a home invasion on him
and snatched him on December 30th or
whatever whatever they call it when they
they kick your windows in. Uh, and they
charge him with four counts of
firstdegree murder, one count of felony
burglary.
>> They have the body camera when he's
being pulled away and taken away and he
says, "Mother."
>> Really?
>> Mother, mother.
>> No, he doesn't. I'm joking.
>> But that would be great though, right?
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Mother,
>> you should get some AI B-roll of him
going him in cuffs. Mother, mother. So
crazy. So, yeah. I mean, they didn't
have much of a defense for him cuz he's
dead to rights, bro. We got your DNA. We
got the motive. We got the We got you in
the area.
What else do they need? I vote to
convict him.
>> Yeah, he's done. I'm done with them.
It's over.
>> It's But it's the DNA because again, if
you don't have DNA
>> nowadays,
>> right,
>> the uh the CSI effect,
>> the CSI effect. It's also because like
as a defense, okay, there's no you have
no scientific evidence. So, well, look,
Moscow, Idaho is only 10 mi 10 10 miles
from the Washington State campus,
>> right?
>> The people go here all the time for what
myriad of reasons. So, just because you
have his cell phone in the area, that
don't mean [ __ ] And ultimately,
ultimately, yeah, it's kind of weird
that he turned his phone off at these
times, but
that's not beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> That's not re That's beyond a reasonable
doubt.
>> Feel like it's pretty close. I feel like
you can do a a statistical analysis and
say, look, the likelihood that your
phone and that vehicle is driving here
and circling, I'm assuming if you
weren't in there, I know your phone was,
and circling the area and then leaving
and we have the car on video and you own
the same car that's on video. Now, the
argument, of course, is you don't know
that that's the same car. Okay, well,
fine. He was in that car. His phone was
like, do you see what I'm saying? too
much. It the you have to get a really
foolish jury to not be able to pull that
off. You got to, you know, you could
convin. And that's without the the DNA.
>> But you're right. So that's why I say
that the cell phone evidence was the
second most important piece because
>> if you didn't have the DNA, but you got
all of this circumstantial cell phone
evidence. I can at least take it to
trial. But maybe a good you got action.
At least you got Exactly. 50/50. You got
action.
>> Maybe you got action on an appeal. I
don't know. But with the DNA, it's like
it's too it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> You throw the DNA in there and
statistically it's just impossible that
all of these things overlap.
>> And by the way, you ordered the exact
same KBAR that happened to be found. I'm
thinking that might be your [ __ ]
KBAR.
>> Wait, did they find the knife?
>> No, no, the the the the sheets,
>> right? Okay. But they got his Amazon
purchase of that knife.
>> He bought that thing a couple months
earlier. He bought it a few months
earlier. What a [ __ ]
>> So, I mean, not just look, at least if
you're going to do it, at least hook it
to you. Like, hook it to you. Like, he's
walking around like he's got it tucked
in his black hoodie or whatever he's
wearing. I don't know what he was
wearing, but yeah. Um, it's funny
because in Florida, like in my
neighborhood, he would have been caught
on about 150 doorbell cameras. Every
every house that's in my neighborhood
has a doorbell camera. They all have the
blink cameras, right? That
>> Ring cameras.
>> Ring cameras.
>> Yeah. But it's it's Moscow, Idaho.
There's no there's
>> it's kind of an older neighborhood or
something. They don't have
>> It's an older neighborhood and it's like
a beautiful idyllic there's no crime.
There's some property crime, I guess.
But if you live in a neighborhood where
not everybody has ring cameras,
congratulations. You live in a good
neighborhood. Like I don't want
everybody surveilling everybody all the
time. That's the mark of the beast.
That's like even to this day, most
people in my neighborhood I live in a
nice neighborhood though. Uh no, my
parents do. I I live in a [ __ ]
neighborhood. Of course I have [ __ ]
cameras everywhere. But um yeah, this is
you know
>> that's how they got him was the camera.
>> A city camera though. No, they got him
on a city camera.
>> Uh you talking about the Elantra?
>> Yeah,
>> that was a city camera. What was
>> I thought it was I thought it was a No,
no, I thought it was like a a
residential camera. No,
>> no, it was you know like they they do
have cameras on a fixed to some of the
light.
>> Some of the lights was it was a
residence for some reason.
>> They they couldn't have got all that.
Like you got to remember
>> I didn't think it was a a great photo.
Like I could tell what it was pretty I
would I was like yeah it's it's a Toyota
I mean it's Toyota sorry it's an Elantra
for sure that's what Nissan
>> no uh Honda
>> Honda
>> but it's it's the photo is let's see the
photo is down at it
>> definitely definitely I thought maybe
>> that's not a residential
>> I thought maybe it was a residential
like it was like above like it was
outside of a garage area cuz ours is up
ours is at the second story and also a
lot of these these houses are built on
kind of hills. They're not Florida.
Florida's
>> flat.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's it's possible, but I
think I saw that it was like a city
camera.
>> Yeah, you're probably right. I'm not
saying I'm right. I just I immediately
thought it was a residence. But
>> I'm shocked that they didn't get his
license plate cuz if they got the
license plate, they would they would
have closed that way faster.
>> Well, you also have to think too if it
was a city camera, it probably should
have gotten because it would have been
like a license plate reader, right?
>> I'm going with your version, you I'm
going with your version. I think it was
a residential camera. The neighbor ring
a balcony camera's most critical footage
came from the immediate vicinity of the
crime scene at 1122 King Road. The
balcony camera, a neighbor's balcony
security camera located fewer than 50 ft
from the house caught the vehicle
circling the neighborhood four times
between a.m. and a.m. O. You
didn't you didn't consider that, did
you? He also didn't paint his car. You
got to use You know what you need? And
gangsters doing drivebys in South
Central have been doing this forever.
You steal a [ __ ] car.
>> This guy can't steal a car.
>> He can't steal a car.
>> Yeah, come on. He can't
>> You can't steal a car. You also have to
have somebody in at the DMV and you have
a [ __ ] you have a phony plate on
there,
>> you know? He can't do any of that.
>> Any who, so he's looking at the death
penalty, right? Yeah.
>> Like he's facing the death penalty that
the judge reads it off to him. She's
she's like, you know, even if you
[ __ ] plead guilty,
>> you know, you're still eligible for the
death [laughter] penalty. She said that.
He's like
>> he's just like
>> well that's something to chew on.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. So they do get a change of venue
because this little town wants to lynch
this guy.
>> Yeah. They they have to move it.
>> Yeah.
>> I can't imagine anybody to me I wouldn't
let them change it because they'd be
like what does it [ __ ] matter?
Everybody in the United States knows
about this case. I'm not letting you
There's no You're not going to get a
fair shake anywhere else either. I I I
would at least let I would at least have
allowed it because then you can't really
say anything on appeal. You can't appeal
it. So So you shoot it off to the big
city, Boise, Idaho. So he goes to Ada
County District Court in Boise. Um they
challenge the defense challenges with
motions. He's on the spectrum. He's
autistic. Uh they challenge the legality
of the genetic geneal genealogy
techniques used. They all get shot down.
>> I say he's he's he's autistic. He should
be allowed to butcher people, your
honor. He doesn't realize that it's
wrong. Oh, yeah. Let him out. Let him
out. Well, yeah. Let's put him in
counseling and and let's put him back in
the university.
>> Right. Exactly. So,
>> so the trial date is set to start June
2nd. Just weeks before the trial is set
to begin, the case takes a stunning
turn. Not really sure it's stunning, but
on June 30th, 25, Cobberger accepts a
negotiated plea agreement. Now, a lot of
people were pissed off about this. Some
of the victim's families were pissed off
about this because they wanted they
wanted the facts of the case to be drawn
out in a trial. I can understand that.
Um
>> well, this is the same thing that
happened with um uh with Burkowitz the
last minute just before and he just
plead guilty.
>> Right. Right. Um
>> you see you see the and I I've seen lots
of guys do this once they see a lot of
guys do it in the sometimes they do it
in the middle of the trial where they
they'll like three days of the trial and
they realize like oh I'm done. I had no
idea they were how much evidence they
had and that they were going to lay it
out in this way.
>> Don't you have the discovery?
>> You do have discovery, but like I they
had no idea how well they were going to
lay it out. When it And when it's laid
out, they're like and they're looking at
the jury, they're like, "Oh, I'm done.
I'm getting the electric chair." Like, I
might as well I'm getting the death
penalty. I might as well plead guilty.
>> But if I'm a prosecutor, I want to I
want to put the knife in. I want to dig
the knife into this guy. Like, no, I'm
not taking a plea deal. Like, like, earn
your [ __ ] keep. Like,
>> but there's always this is a sure win.
>> Prosecutors hate to lose,
>> right?
>> And if you let them walk, it's the worst
thing. It's like,
>> yeah, what are those attorneys for uh OJ
Simpson doing right now?
>> [ __ ] they're selling insurance in the
valley, dude.
>> This was no this was no Johnny Cochran
or OJ, though. I think I think they
would have had this I think this would
have taken the jury 45 minutes to
deliberate. You know what I mean? Uh so
anyways, but yeah, they don't want to
risk it.
They just they accept a plea in exchange
for the death penalty being taken off
the table. Uh and he agrees to plead
guilty to all charges and wave his right
to appeal. Uh July 2nd, 25 pleads
guilty, sentenced to four consecutive
life sentences, blah blah blah. uh
victim's families, you know, it's pretty
stunning like hearing them articulate,
you know, to to this guy, you know, what
he did to them and and it just bounces
right off of them. Like I don't know. Do
you think they give those guys pills?
The guys that are facing those super
crazy years for those heinous crimes,
they must be drugged up, right?
>> No. What do you mean?
>> No, I think they are.
>> No way.
>> I met a guy getting ready to go do life
for these two bodies he did. I was in
the [ __ ] holding tank with him, bro.
You want to talk about staring into the
eyes of like walking death?
>> Yeah.
>> This guy was in the newspaper. He had
gone in to rob these guys for drugs.
Kind of like the Outer Burrows of
Portland where it's it's sketchy and
ghetto. Shoots both of them to death.
Then like takes the dogs out and feeds
them. Like so you're looking at him,
you're like, "This guy's [ __ ] nuts."
I he would always he was always sure to
go to medical to get like whatever pills
numb you out.
>> They're probably on cerakquil or
something like butquil.
>> Yeah. But but that I don't I'm not I
don't think that they give them an
option like hey do you want to value
him? It's going to be a tough day. You
know I think maybe they're on stuff just
because they they talk to the
psychiatrist and they're like this guy's
a little skitso. We need to
>> Well, because they make sure Yeah. They
just make it really easy for you to get
medicated when you're when you're about
to get sentenced to life. probably they
don't want you killing yourself.
>> But I also think that this guy's just a
psychopath. He's just he has no idea
when that person's up there crying and
and sniffling and and and be and telling
you how how what a wonderful person that
you you murdered. I don't think he has
any empathy at all. I think he's just
he's just he's looking at this person
who you know like I don't
>> it was like incomprehensible.
>> I don't know what they're doing.
>> Yeah. He it was like it was like
>> why are you Who are you?
>> Yeah. Why are [laughter] you Yeah. Why
is she crying like that? What's What's
the problem? Like, [clears throat] okay,
she was a I understand. She was a nice
person.
>> Like, it doesn't mean anything to them,
>> right? Yeah. It's just words. Oh, she
was nice, but I don't feel emotions, so
I don't even know what nice is. I don't
know.
>> I understand that.
>> Um All right. Yeah, I it was just it was
it watching that I'm like, "Oh, this guy
deserves if if somebody deserves the
death penalty, this guy is for sure a
candidate." Because these are the nicest
kids, too.
>> The nicest [ __ ] kids. They're One of
them was a triplet. Uh, and they're
going they're planting a bunch of
[ __ ] uh, you know, like tulips.
I was beer bonging 40s out of my ass
when I was in college. These Okay, I
didn't do that, but I was I was [ __ ]
taking Keg stands and smoking blunts and
selling coke when I was 21. These kids
are [ __ ] planting tulips.
>> Yeah,
>> tulips.
Yeah, they seem Yeah. And then uh the
the uh two of them had been friends
since they were like little kids.
>> Yeah. That all decided to go to the same
college together, all applied together,
all Yeah. Yeah. Just like expecting
their whole lives to be just best
friends for the rest of their lives.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. And even when you watch like the
footage of their family members, they're
like good people. They're like they've
they still like kept sense of humors
about themselves and stuff. So, this is
just a tragedy and and mass surveillance
will never stop people like this. There
will always be some psychopaths.
There will be because I
>> I agree.
>> You're thinking about, you know, we talk
about cuz we're rational. We talk about
like, why didn't he do this and this and
this?
>> He don't really give a [ __ ] He's not
thinking that rationally.
>> He's not thinking clearly. He's doing
doing all the steps. But then like I
listen I I know guys tons of guys that
have committed like they they'll they'll
have a an amazing scam and that's re
really well thought through. Yeah. And
they've taken all the steps and they've
learned everything about it and they're
amazing and they're they're credit card
fraud and it's it's doing great. They're
doing great and then one day they they
they check into uh their hotel and they
use a stolen credit card [snorts] and
you're like what? And it's not just
Zach. There's another one, too. There's
several guys like this. Uh the uh Aeron
uh case where the guy, the con man guy,
he he um he checks into a hotel with a
stolen credit card. He's got all of his
equipment, right? He's got everything
like he's got all the IDs laid out like
he's this is what you're doing. And
you're using stolen credit card. Like
you're making you're making $300,000 a
month.
>> You could have paid $150. This is 10
years ago, 20 years ago. $150 for this.
But instead, you use the stolen credit
card, and now the cops come to your
[ __ ] your your uh hotel room, knock
on the door, open, you open up the door,
>> they see all the [ __ ] you've got,
you're running, you got a bunch of
[ __ ] printers behind you, and you're
standing there like, "Oh, what's this
about?" Well, it was about the stolen
credit card you'd use, but now it's
about the computers and all those IDs I
can see. So, it's like, you're so
brilliant. A lot of people are brilliant
in one aspect and they're just foolish.
They just make foolish decisions. Yeah.
In other parts.
>> And this guy wasn't brilliant at all.
And that's what one of the the victim's
sisters, she says that she's like,
"You're not even that smart and you're
dirty." She called him dirty. That's
where I I got that adjective from. Yeah.
Yeah. Really was dirty.
>> Um and just a bum. He's a bum. So mid
25, sorry, July of 26. So last month.
>> No, this month, [ __ ] This
month.
the year the month that the documentary
comes out. Uh Coberger now
self-represented. Oh, you know it's good
when they've they've gotten rid of their
lawyer. They're like, I'll take it from
here. I got it. [laughter]
>> You don't know what you're doing.
>> I got him right where I want him. He
files a petition to withdraw his guilty
plea and reopen the case. Legal experts
note Idaho's one-year statute of
limitations and his signed appeal waiver
make the petition a significant long
shot.
>> Yeah. So that's not news.
>> Time barred.
>> Yeah,
>> that's not news.
>> Yeah, it was only news because he filed
it. Like it's not going anywhere.
>> No. No. Absolutely not. That's like the
uh that's like the McKenzie Sharilla's
lawyers got it a day late. Got the
appeal in a day late.
>> Yeah. I don't Yeah. Not that she was
going to it was going to go anywhere
either way.
>> No, it's getting rubber stamped.
>> Yeah. Most of the appeal uh appeals
process is is an illusion. You know,
they're just rubber stamping. They're
saying no, denied. Denied. We've
reviewed all the evidence and we've
decided against I don't think so.
>> I don't think so. But in this case, this
guy deserves to not win his appeal.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh so rest in peace to these kids. You
know, this was um this was very sad. Uh
lock your doors.
>> Lock your doors.
>> You know what I I would have to me I
would have if I was the
>> D attorney, I I I would have said like
look, you can I want the plea. I'll take
the plea, but you have to answer some
questions. Like you have to how did you
pick these victims? How did you right
like we've got some interaction. You
knew this person. We know that. We know
there's some interaction on Instagram,
but
>> but there not enough to
>> like I don't know how is how did you
pick this person? Like why you know
something? Not just no, I'm not going to
answer any questions. Okay. Well, then
we'll go to [ __ ] trial and you'll get
the death penalty.
>> Yeah. No. And because the families
deserve to know that, right? It's part
of the closure. Like where did you go
afterwards? Uh who did you kill first? I
mean truly like that's even though it
sounds gruesome it's
>> plus it locks them in. You can't go you
can't go through that whole thing and
answer all those questions and then say
oh I didn't mean to apply I'm really
innocent. You're not innocent. We got
[ __ ] 12 hours of of video of you
telling what you did and how you met her
and everything else. Like you want to
lock it in or just hey [ __ ] it. I'll go
to trial and you'll get the death
penalty.
>> Yeah. I wonder did do Idaho did the
judge decide the punishment like the
death penalty or that's probably voted
on
>> by the jury, right? No, there was no
jury.
>> Oh, is this was a [ __ ]
>> He plead guilty.
>> No, I know. But if if you went before
>> Oh, if he had lost at trial.
>> Yeah, lost at trial.
>> I don't know.
>> It's usually a jury. Most states, it's a
jury. Okay.
>> If it's a death penalty, it's usually
voted on by a jury.
>> So, yeah, in the feds, you actually have
uh you first have a kind of a a hearing
to decide if you meet the requirements
for the death penalty. And then if they
say yes, this person's eligible for the
death penalty, then you go to trial. And
if you go to trial, the jurors don't get
to pick if you get the death penalty,
but they get to know that
>> they can use it as consideration.
>> Well, then they get to know that you're
that if if he loses,
>> he it may he he may get the death
penalty. So, they have to put that on
the table for them.
>> It's a lot harder. The bar is a lot
higher. The feds rarely use the death
penalty.
>> Yeah. Timothy McVey,
>> he was he the last one?
>> Uh I don't know. I think he was the
first one when they brought it back. He
was like the first person to I don't
know if they've used it since then. How
many people died?
>> How many people have died in the federal
of the federal death penalty?
>> Total of 16 people have been executed
under the modern US. Okay. Since his
reinstated in 1988.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, okay. Good.
>> Yeah. So, I think they're using it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Good for them.
>> I think I thought I feel like he was
like one of the first ones, but Timothy
>> He probably was 88
>> 88 95 is when they did it. convicted in
97 or something. Yeah.
>> So, do do you think um we will ever find
out a motive?
>> No. I I think once he's I don't see the
problem with him being semi let's say
semia autistic is it because to me a lot
of these guys after being 10 15 20 years
like they get either remorseful or they
write a book.
>> Yeah. I was going to say memoir or
something
>> something like that. But this guy
mentally you can't really count on
normal behavior.
>> Yeah.
>> On a normal Agree.
>> Right. And and a lot of um mental
illness uh gets worse. Like if you're
schizophrenic like it's not like you get
better over time. You get a lot of these
guys just get worse and worse. If you're
bipolar, it tends to get the older you
are the worse it gets. I don't know how
it works with autism. Maybe you don't.
But I don't think there will ever
probably be a time where he'll suddenly
start feeling bad and say, "You know
what? I'm gonna go ahead and write a
memoir or I'm gonna call the reporter
and and just let them know so that the
family knows or write a letter to the
family to let them know how this whole
thing happened and tell them how bad I
feel."
>> No, he's he has no conscientiousness.
He's not conscientious of that. You
know,
>> like I said, this is I I've I've found
good qualities in almost all the serial
killers we've talked about. There's been
redeeming qualities. They're family men.
They're church men. Samuel Little's a a
[ __ ] progressive transloving and
killing man. You know what I'm saying?
And he's hilarious. So, but no, uh this
guy seems to lack
>> any ability to switch on the the normal
brain even for a little bit. So, I I
kind of doubt it.
>> Yeah. I think there was real text or
Instagram DM
uh discussion messaging. That would have
leaked.
>> Yeah, I think it would have leaked.
>> But but there apparently there wasn't
like she literally like responded once
or and Oh, she didn't respond.
>> Can we find that? Was that Was that
>> I was going to say
>> um yeah. Uh I thought she responded then
he she just blew him. I knew she blew
him off, but I assume she at least
responded once.
>> So that could have been that's the
motive right there.
Yeah, he's reached out to her.
>> Yeah, he's looking at her Instagram
stories. He he tries to holler at her.
Uh, and she just goes, "No thanks." And
then he goes, "Okay, well, you go to the
University of Idaho." Uh, cuz, you know,
it's probably in her profile.
>> That's probably why he how he that's how
he knew her from the from the probably
seen her around maybe.
>> No, no, no, no. He he went to Washington
State. It's he she probably had that in
her Instagram bio. I go to the
University of Idaho. And he goes, "Okay,
I'm going to Moscow's a tiny town. Can
find you." Uh, one side of Instagram
DMs. The messages were in late October
of 22, roughly two weeks before the
murders, which is when his phone started
pinging. Cobberger repeatedly sent
direct direct messages to one of the
female victims. The messages were
persistent but basic greetings such as,
"Hey, how are you?" The victim never
replied.
>> That's it. I'm going to kill her.
>> There you go. Like, I think that's the
best.
>> That's it.
>> Yeah. When when investigators obtained
Coberg's historical cell phone records,
they found that his phone pinged cell
towers near the victim's off-campus,
King Road home at least 12 times before
the murder. That's it.
>> I wonder how he how he even saw her. If
they went to different universities, how
did he even see her?
>> How did he even come into contact with
this person?
>> I mean,
>> well, look, because Instagram will put
you Instagram has your your location,
right? More or less, right? It's like
the internet. And so, they give you
suggestions for people in the area. I I
don't know. I'm not I'm not great with
Instagram.
>> I mean, maybe that that's that's the
best idea.
>> Facebook's kind of like that, right?
Facebook, you can pick people in your
area,
>> right? So, I mean, that's that's all I
can think. And yeah, the Facebook is
linked. Most people have their Facebook
linked to their Instagram now. So,
that's [ __ ] Man, that is crazy. Rest
in peace, you four. You four beautiful
souls.
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