This is one of the wildest [music]
reaction videos we've watched.
>> Yeah. The moment they said you failed
the polygraph, I'd be like, "Yeah, we'd
never talk again."
>> Imagine if your wife was [music] saying,
"I want my parents dead." It's always
these small things that get overlooked
and then come back to haunt you. Ladies
and gentlemen, welcome back to the
Murderman. Happy Halloween. We have got
a special Halloween episode where we go
back to my favorite state, South
Carolina. a state that I respect
greatly, a highly educated state, a
state with great morals and values, uh,
going all the way back centuries. Uh,
you are now about to witness a couple, a
South Carolinian couple accused of
murdering their parents and their
grandparents in a double wide trailer of
all things. No,
>> nobody should have to die in a double
wide trailer.
>> Nobody should have to die in a double
wide trailer
>> or a Prius.
>> Or a Prius. I would like to I would like
to say nobody should have to live in a
double wide trailer, but when you see
these people, they deserve to live
exactly where they live. Okay, [snorts]
you guys [ __ ] hit that hype button.
Matthew, tell them what they can do. By
the way, you're doing this for Matt.
You're not doing this for me. You're
doing this for Matt Cox. If you want
Matt Cox to like you, the you'll do what
>> is it? To hit the hype button.
>> Yeah. God damn it.
>> Yeah. Hit the hype button. Hit the hype
button. Scroll over with the thumb with
the like thing. you scroll over and you
hit the hype button and share the video
uh because your friends and family need
to see this. It's important work we're
doing here. It's God's work really. It's
God's work to be honest with you.
>> Believe in God.
>> It's you have to ask yourself what would
Jesus do? Jesus would share this video.
Jesus would want you to hype the video.
That's all I'm saying.
>> And if your name is Jesus Jesus Martinez
from Prescott, Arizona, you're
immigrant. Hey, you're cool, too. Hit
that like. Hit that like button.
[laughter]
Hit that like button and drop a comment.
That really helps. We guys, we need to
get the activity up. I'm not even
kidding. I'm gonna Don't make me lose my
temper. This is one of the wildest uh
reaction videos we've watched.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The twist at the end is
insane.
>> It's insane. So So stick around. Let's
get into it.
>> This is 42year-old Amy Valardi. And for
the last 8 years, she's been living with
a terrifying secret that these
detectives are about to expose.
>> I got to sign the case about the
homicide that happened in Pendleton in
2015. So, we we'd like to talk to you.
[music]
>> Oh my god.
>> In 2015, Amy's parents and grandparents
were found brutally murdered inside
their family home. And with no witnesses
and no physical evidence connecting
anyone to the murders, the case slowly
goes [music] cold.
>> Say hi, Amy.
>> Years after the homicides, Amy and her
husband Ross had moved on, spending
their newfound fortune on cars, a
[music] new house, and expensive exotic
animals. But unbeknownst to everyone,
the killers had been closer to home all
along.
>> Amy's done what she promised you was
going to do. They're the ones who killed
her.
>> So Indians, they bald the worst, right?
>> Indians. Why?
>> He's an Indian guy. You see him, he's
after a couple years, he's just thinning
and it's it's the most disgusting. I
think that's the first thing I picked up
from this.
>> Is he Indian? What do you mean Indian?
Like like like the Indian or the Indian?
>> No, he's not. He's
>> Gujarati. I didn't even notice that.
>> Yeah, it'll it'll make your stomach
turn. Uh so
>> they don't age well. I mean, I know what
you're saying. And they have the thin
hair, too. A lot of them have that thin
like that see-through kind of hair.
>> That's what I mean. So, watch. Well,
we'll just wait for this puppy. Indians
are either the most gorgeous people or
>> hit or miss.
>> Please go back and hurry up and buy.
>> It's approximately a.m. on a
Monday morning just after Halloween when
the Anderson County Sheriff's Office
receives a frantic 911 call
[singing and music] from what sounds
like a house of horrors.
>> That's the governor's mansion, South
Carolina.
>> Oh my god. [laughter]
Ma'am, I can't understand you. What's
your address?
>> 227 road.
>> Ma'am, ma'am, tell me what's going on.
>> Oh my god.
>> Is somebody hurt? Ma'am, I can't
>> people in my mama's house and they're
dead. There's blood everywhere.
>> Who are these people that are in the
house?
>> It's my mom and my grandma and my daddy
and my sadness.
>> On the line is 32-year-old Amy Valardi
reporting that her entire family has
been murdered. Within minutes, the
deputies rush to the home where the
scene awaiting them would be even more
brutal than Amy had led them to believe.
It's
>> your whole family lineage.
>> Once officers step inside, they discover
three victims: Mike Scott, Barbara
Scott, and Violet Taylor. Lying deceased
on the living room floor. Several feet
away inside a bedroom lies [music] the
fourth and final victim, Kathy Scott.
Each family member appears to have
suffered multiple stab wounds and a
single gunshot wound to the head. As
crime scene investigators begin
processing the home, they discover a
trail of shoe prints, a Clorox bleach
bottle sitting in the kitchen sink, and
two cell phones discarded outside. The
only significant clues left behind by
whoever carried out this brutal attack.
Back outside, deputies speak with the
911 caller, Amy. She tells officers that
she and her husband, Ross, live next
door and became concerned after her
mother, Kathy, failed to take her dog
outside this morning. When Amy went to
check on her, she says that's when she
discovered the bodies of her parents and
grandparents. After clearing the entire
house and finding no murder weapon and
very little physical evidence left
behind, investigators grow increasingly
concerned. They're dealing with a
ruthless and calculated killer and that
these may not be his first victims. At
this stage, the only people on the
investigator's radar are Amy and Ross,
seemingly grieving relatives of the
victims. However, later that evening, as
news of the Scott family murder spreads
across Anderson County, Amy's
ex-husband, Neil, contacts police with
some interesting information.
>> So, you were married to Amy previously?
>> I was her first husband. I believe she's
capable of this. I say that because
while we were married, she tried to stab
me.
>> What brought on y'all separation, the
fight or?
>> Uh, actually, that was one of three
fights. One, she just tried to charge
me, trip her, and lay her down on the
ground, tell her not to come back after
me. The other time was a knockown drag
out where I was told she hit me and one
of my friends with all that. I don't
remember that. The separation was on
adultery trucks.
>> Did you get knocked out or something?
>> Knocked out.
>> Well, listen, I appreciate you calling
in.
>> So, he was cheating on her.
>> The separation was adultery.
>> Oh, was it?
>> Yeah. But I mean, whatever. She deserved
it. Everything [clears throat] she
Everything that happens to her, she
deserves. I can already tell that right
now.
>> Would she get it? [clears throat]
>> Oh, she get
she get He would too.
What?
>> I mean, not by me, but Jeffrey Dmer.
>> Yeah. No, she'd get
>> Dmer style.
>> She'd get open, but like I would need it
would be like, you know, you'd be on
perch on the bed like this.
>> I would have to I would have to be able
to see around. I'd have to have my
peripherals all there. You know what I
mean?
>> Amy's violent history places her under
suspicion. But that soon becomes the
least of detectives concerns as she and
Ross begin behaving in ways no genuinely
grieving couple ever should.
>> They always spend money, dude. It's
always the biggest corrupt idiots. Like
it's like when the the uh the sergeant,
the CEO who's making 28 grand a year at
the prison just shows up in a brand new
truck. It's like, dude, we know you're
you're getting balloons in. Yeah. You're
sneaking cigarettes in. It's always this
[ __ ] On Wednesday morning, acting on
information from Amy's ex-husband,
investigators quickly secure a search
warrant for Amy's trailer and rush over.
The moment they step inside, they're
struck by a peculiar smell, one eerily
similar to what they encountered at the
murder scene. As the search continues,
detectives uncover an unusual amount of
cash, $68,000,
bundled inside a bedroom safe, along
with 18 firearms, all of which are
seized as potential evidence.
Considering Amy and Ross' modest
lifestyle, this discovery immediately
raises questions. After clearing the
trailer, investigators ask Amy and Ross
to come to the station for an
opportunity to clear their names. And
interestingly, both agree, almost as if
they've been expecting this very moment.
Once Amy and Ross arrive at the station,
they're immediately asked if they're
willing to undergo a polygraph test,
something rarely requested of witnesses.
Ross agrees and is the first to take a
seat. But before asking about the
murders, the examiner would begin by
trying to better understand the man
sitting across from him. And Ross is
about to reveal something.
>> Look at that awful man bun, dude.
>> No, he's got to go to jail.
>> He's He's whatever they're charging man
bun.
>> He's guilty. I don't care what it is.
Guilty.
>> Man bun.
>> And it's not it's it's not even a bun.
It's like a bun with a ponytail.
>> Yeah. Like
>> it's a ponytail. Man bun. Gh. You
[ __ ] you disgusting [ __ ] freak
pig. Yuck.
>> That makes him almost impossible to
break.
>> This is Mr.
>> L. I'm apologizing. I'm not law
enforcement in any way, form, fashion. I
do a lot of test law enforcement, but I
don't have a gun about it. Any medical
problems you know about?
>> Uh physical or um nothing physically
wrong. Um
>> mental problem.
>> I am rated for the 30% for PTSD. Were
you actually in combat or I know you had
embassy duty some kind?
>> Yeah, that that was my last three years.
My first two and a half I was infantry
unit. Yeah. Like I only did one
deployment. So it's not like I did like
back to back.
>> So you did one deployment in combat.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Iraq.
>> Correct. Iraq.
>> Now you you've been in the Marines. You
know what gunshot sounds like. You know
what all you know what screaming and
everything sounds like?
>> Oh yeah.
>> Uh you hear anything that was out of the
ordinary?
>> Not out of the ordinary. Amy's sleep
without our television on and I I hate
to think that that would be the reason
why I wasn't able to go save someone.
>> Think Amy had anything to do with this?
>> No, I don't think she had anything to do
with this.
>> Although Ross steers detectives away
from Amy, his own background has started
to draw attention to himself. Ross spent
5 years in the Marine Corps. During that
time, he received extensive hand-to-hand
combat training with knives along with
specialized instruction on how to resist
interrogation if ever captured by the
enemy. Realizing this, the examiner
would allow Ross to share his thoughts
on who could be responsible. And his
answer would be unexpected to say the
least.
>> Who do you think I did this?
>> I'm just I have no freaking clue.
>> Did you do it?
>> Did I do it? No.
>> Tell me.
>> There's three possible scenarios that
go.
>> Um,
>> one, Mike deals in a lot of gold. Um, he
buys and sells gold. Um, he buys and
sells guns and he buys and sells video
games and stuff like that. and maybe
maybe someone was disgruntled at a sale.
Um or maybe someone noticed that, you
know, he dealt in a lot of this stuff
and figured they'd cash in. You know,
that's
>> okay.
>> You know, that's one scenario that could
be a slight possibility. Uh the other
[music] one, um I think it was Tuesday
or Wednesday of this past week. um
>> he had mentioned to me that he had seen
um Amy's exhib
um kind of been thinking over the last
um couple hour well not a couple hours
but the last 24 is the last couple of
weeks Mike has and and it made kind of
like a weird habit where he'll just kind
of walk up to the end of the driveway
and he'll just make you know kind of
make a couple of circles and kind of
look back and forth and then he'll go up
and walk up the road. So, I don't know
if that's something that is a real
suspect. I don't know if that's
something that's relevant. [music] But
at this point, you know, the detectives
are telling me, "Hey,
>> yeah, think of anything that might be
out of the ordinary."
>> Unsurprisingly, none of Ross' theories
involve himself or Amy. But now, it's
time for the polygraph, and detectives
are about to find out whether years of
marine training are enough to help Ross
beat it.
>> In any of y'all been talking about, have
you got captured or anything about
polygraph or anything?
>> If you get caught captured or whatever,
you give your name, your rank, social
security number, blah blah blah. Don't
give any other information and so on and
so forth.
>> Do you live in South Carolina?
>> Yes.
>> Regarding the physically harming of
those people, do you intend to ask
truthfully each question?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Before last year, did you ever
intentionally harm anyone?
>> No, sir.
>> Did you physically harm anyone in the
house?
>> No, sir.
>> Is there something else you're afraid to
ask you a question about?
>> No, sir.
>> So, you kept calling it a test. Did I
pass my test?
>> I said keep calling it a test. You know,
did I pass my test?
>> The examiner gives nothing away. leaving
Ross in the dark about whether he passed
or failed his polygraph. Meanwhile, Amy
is brought into another room for her own
test. Like Ross, she's about to be asked
who she believes is responsible for her
family's murders, and her answer would
shift suspicion to someone already
familiar to investigators.
>> This has probably gone through your head
a million times since then. Tell me,
tell me what your theory is. [music]
>> A lot of different scenarios have went
through my head.
>> Mhm.
>> My uh my ex-husband
who did not have a good relationship
with my parents. Mhm.
>> Can you think of a motive why he would
be involved in something like that?
>> My mom and stepdad were pushing him for
child support. We're pushing him to take
care of his son and
>> Okay.
>> He was not doing that.
>> Okay. Tell me why you would not be
involved in something like this.
>> I love my family. I love them. There's
no way that I could and especially the
scene that was in there. I could never
do that kind of thing.
>> Okay. Although Amy attempts to steer
detectives towards her ex-husband
Daniel, they have no evidence linking
him to the murders and are not
considering him a suspect. But now it's
time for the test. Unlike Ross, she's
never been trained to withstand the
pressure of a high stakes interrogation.
>> By the way,
>> these are inadmissible.
>> Yeah. No, they're just a tool to try and
get you to try and be able to turn
around and say, "Hey, you failed it.
Here's how you failed. We know. And now
you [clears throat] know that they
know." And so you're more likely to
>> to crack to fold. And they could lie to
you, right? Like they could they could
probably tell you it is admissible.
>> Maybe.
>> I I've never heard them say that, so I
don't know. There's, you know, the law
enforcement is allowed to lie to you up
to a point. I don't know if this
includes this.
>> Um, you know, they can't like they can't
manufacture evidence like they can't say
the DNA your DNA matches.
>> We have the results already. That's
right here. No, you that you're done.
that you you might as well just let that
guy go,
>> you know? It's completely
>> But you can say like, "Hey, your partner
already read it on your
>> No. Or you No. And you can say, "Bro, we
already got your DNA. I can say it, but
I can't manufacture a document, print it
out, and show it to you."
>> Yeah. You already got it, huh? Where's
the paperwork?
>> Yeah. [laughter] Exactly. Exactly.
>> You know, I would love to just beat
investigators at their own game. Just
I'm not scared of you at all.
>> Well, we're not going to show you to it.
Okay. Well,
>> do you want a lawyer? No, I don't want a
lawyer. I know you don't have it. Yeah.
[laughter]
>> Oh, you'll spend the night in jail.
>> Hey, I'm comfortable here.
>> And as far as she knows, [music] both
her future and Ross's depend entirely on
her results.
>> Okay, please sit still. The test is
about to begin. Are the lights on in
this room?
>> Yes.
>> Regarding whether you were involved in
the deaths of any of those people in
that double wide, are you going to tell
me the truth today?
>> Yes. Were you present when any of those
people in that double line were shot?
>> No.
>> Did you cause any of those injuries to
any of those people in that double lock?
>> No.
>> Do you know the name of the person who
caused any of those injuries to any of
those people in that double lock?
>> No.
>> You may not be entirely satisfied with
the way things are going.
>> No.
>> Right now.
>> No. No.
>> I'm just going to tell you right up
front. You failed the crap out of this
polygraph.
>> Okay. There's no doubt in my mind that
you are involved in some way, shape, or
form in this.
>> Great.
>> And it wasn't even close. It wasn't even
close. I mean, you failed the cowboy do
out of this test. You could not have
done any worse. Their theory is that
you're dead smack in the middle of this
thing.
>> Is that it?
>> Let me just point out what a backwards
place the Carolinas are. I mean really
just to listen to these guys talk it's
like to to have that kind of
bastardization of the English language
means you have been in since since
Annabel
>> so so what so
>> this is how you're supposed to speak
English
>> I understand so what how do you feel
about people that speak um
>> although what was done to him under was
America's original sin it's also time
for you guys to [ __ ] get it together
too you know what I mean Ask ASK. Ask.
Go ahead.
>> Their theory is that you're dead smack
in the middle of this thing and Ross is
dead smack in the middle of it.
>> Didn't Ross pass this?
>> No.
>> Hell no. No, we didn't pass it.
>> If you go smoke, you can come back in
and talk to us.
>> Um, I would like to go talk to my
lawyer.
>> Good girl.
>> That's it.
>> That's it, baby.
>> Moment you say lawyer, we're done.
They're going to be like, "Fuck."
>> And so they would, if they kept pressing
her, that could also be grounds to toss.
to toss it. Yeah. The moment she
mentions lawyer, it's it it should end.
And for most law enforcement, they go,
"Oh, okay. You said [clears throat]
lawyer, we're gone. Gone." A lot of them
will preface the interview by saying,
"Listen, you know, if you want a lawyer,
we can get you a lawyer." But the moment
you you ask for a lawyer, we're done.
>> We're done talking. Like, you've lost
all credib
issue of if you say lawyer,
>> you're guilty.
>> You're done. Well, yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
>> If you lawyer up, that means you're
guilty.
>> Yeah. We believe you're guilty and we
believe you're hiding and we believe
this and it doesn't look good for you.
They make it sound like a horrible
thing. So you start getting scared that
if I ask for my lawyer, they're going to
think I did this.
>> Yeah, she did it. But I still I want her
to know. Stop.
>> I'm kidding.
>> Her grandparents, her mom
killed her whole family. Vicious, bro.
>> They do this [ __ ] in the Carolinas. I'm
telling you. Remember, remember the Fort
Bragg book I was telling you about?
Remember the Fort Bragg about all the
soldiers? That's in North Carolina.
They're [ __ ]
>> Are they all from North Carolina or is
this happen to be
>> They live in North Carolina and a lot of
them are from North Carolina. They're
from the States and they come back from
Iraq and Afghanistan, train killers, and
they [ __ ] around and and and this wild
[ __ ] happens. Dude, Fort Bragg Cartel,
we're starting a reading club here on
the murderman. Go read the Fort Bragg
Cartel. It's it's uh it's a page turner.
Go ahead.
>> Thank you for your time.
>> Well, let me ask you this.
My goal every time I do this is to be
fair. Do you think I was fair to you
today? Okay, thank you. I appreciate
that.
>> In reality, from this moment on, Amy
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As weeks turn into months, leads begin
to dry up and the case eventually goes
cold. For a time, Amy continues giving
public interviews, pleading for the
killer to be found. But behind closed
doors, life goes on for Amy and Ross.
And it appears they've put the tragedy
behind them. [laughter] Huh? They're
buying wild animals. Exotic animals. He
bought a chopper. Oh, the fine people of
South Carolina. Dude, your chopper's
worth more than all your land.
>> How many people are in are in South
Carolina? Is it South Carolina or North
Carolina?
>> Both of them are [ __ ]
>> I actually prefer I prefer South
Carolina over North Carolina.
>> Yes. Yes. And I'm indicting all I'm I'm
stereotyping all of you, especially
>> uh 5.5 million
>> in both
>> and South Carolina.
>> I mean, that's probably it's probably 10
million 10 12 million 10 12 million
potential subscribers. Oh,
>> you're Oh. Oh, you put it when you put
it that way. You're right. We got to get
the Carolinas. We got to get Carolinians
back on our side.
>> Guys, I've made I've said some nasty
things about the Carolinas and for that
I am truly sorry. I come as an ignorant
elitist Yankee down here to your
beautiful Dixie land, home of of incest
and slavery.
>> Let's go.
>> After [clears throat] inheriting the
family's home, the couple begins
renovating the very place where the
murders took place. Once the work is
complete, they move in and settle into a
comfortable new life, benefiting from
the money left behind by the victims.
During this time, Ross would spend
nearly $40,000 on a Dodge Ram, a
Mustang, two Harley-Davidson
motorcycles, and a Yamaha personal
watercraft.
>> Would sell the home and move to West
Columbia, South Carolina. All the while,
they would keep the truth hidden, not
only from investigators, but also from
their own children who were still too
young to understand where all this
newfound fortune had come from.
>> I'll show you some.
[laughter]
>> I'm I'm illiterate. And what? I I can't
see that.
>> For those of you that didn't see that,
somebody some very honest South
Carolinian goes, he's talking to his
wife. He goes, "I'm illiterate and I'm
an idiot." There's a self-aware person.
Go ahead.
>> 8 years later,
>> now 2023, and in an unexpected twist,
the television series Cold Justice
approaches the Anderson County Sheriff's
Office with the hope of finally solving
the case. And 8 years later, the
investigation is officially reopened.
Detective Tyler Duncan is assigned
alongside veteran investigator Steve
Spingola, and together they're tasked
with re-examining every piece of
evidence collected back in 2015.
>> I think it has something to do with the
neighbor, honestly, because when you see
the in the coming soon teaser for this
chapter, it's two old neighbors that
say, "Come here. You got to see
something." So, I think it's either
going to be related to security footage
or
maybe a murder weapon. That's that's my
best guess. I don't really know.
>> I mean, unless they break, I don't know
how they could possibly
get these two. I mean, I'm assuming
somebody breaks cuz otherwise or maybe
is there um some text messages or some
cell phone, but there's so that's the
whole thing. It's such a great crime
because they're so close,
>> right? So, how do you
>> Of course, we were texting with them. Of
course, we were
>> unless they're looking up how to murder
someone and how to get away with murder
and texting each other back and forth. I
think we should do it tonight. You know,
I don't know how they get the and it
doesn't look like there like is there
>> blood is there DNA? Did Did the guy when
he chopped them up, did he
>> did he end up cutting himself or
something? I doubt that.
>> Do you see what I mean? When he
>> It's got something. Were they shot or
did they
>> they were shot? They were shot point
blank.
>> You know, the likelihood of of any
evidence being left is
>> I'm going to say it's got something to
do with the neighbors. That's all I can
say. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> Alongside veteran investigator Steve
Spingola. And together they're tasked
with re-examining every piece of
evidence collected back in 2015. And as
he scrolls through years of Facebook
posts, he comes across something
unexpected. A video the couple would
soon regret not deleting. Without this
recording, detectives might have hit yet
another frustrating dead end, especially
since Amy's parents had no CCTV cameras
surrounding their home.
>> You guys call the police.
>> I did not call no police. I don't know.
>> I don't know what happened to us. That's
all for
a me.
[laughter]
[groaning and screaming]
>> You tell him, old M. You telling me, M.
ain't at me. If you don't know, you're
stupid.
>> Wow.
Hold on. Let me go get my grandmother
who's actually teacher and [music] we'll
find out who's correct on that.
>> Why don't you have grandma let you come
out here real quick?
>> I don't think your grandma wants to deal
with this trash. [music]
No, this is ridiculous at this point.
>> Dad, you don't know Gooberers?
>> Yeah, that's I'll show you some.
>> Yep. See you.
>> Come here. Look. This footage completely
contradicts the story Amy and Ross have
been telling police for years, becoming
the first major lead Detective Duncan
believes could finally crack the case.
And so, after 8 years with virtually no
progress, Detective Duncan prepares to
pay Amy and Ross a visit. A couple who
have spent nearly a decade believing
they got away with murder. But what
Detective Duncan is about to do is not
without risks. Knowing the couple had
already lawyered up in the past,
detectives know they have only one
chance to get this right or risk the
case going cold for good.
On December 11th, at 8 a.m., Detective
Duncan and Spangola head to Amy and
Ross' new home in West Columbia, South
Carolina, more than 100 miles from where
the murders took place. Once they
arrive, the people inside the house have
no idea their lives are about to be
turned upside down forever. You ready?
Let's go this way.
>> What an upgrade.
>> Here we go.
>> Yeah, that's foundation.
I'm Tyler Duck and I'm with Anderson
County Sheriff's Office. This is Steve.
>> I got it. How you doing?
>> Um, so we're I got assigned the case
about the homicide that happened in
Pendleton in 2015.
>> Okay.
>> And uh so I'm trying to go around
basically and start from the beginning.
And since Amy is Amy here,
>> so since she's the one that called 911,
I think you were there also. Um
>> well, I showed up just after she called
yesterday.
>> Okay. So we we'd like to talk to you. Um
we're kind of starting from the
beginning of the case and going back
through.
>> Yeah. My house is a mess right now.
>> We can actually get we can sit in the
car here and uh talk to reports in
there.
>> All right. Do you want to talk to both
at the same time?
>> We'll talk to you separately. You want
to talk if you want to come out? We'll
talk.
>> So, we've talked about this watching
other videos. The cops are always trying
to get you further away from your
comfort zone.
>> Mhm.
>> So, you see what I'm saying? Like, they
could just talk right there on the
porch, but why don't we come to the car?
Look at that lawn. Parking your [ __ ]
car.
>> Steps out of the house and walks towards
the detective's vehicle. All three men
know this could very well be their final
standoff. The detectives have the
element of surprise and the couple's
unsettling digital footprint. While Ross
relies on a rock-solid story backed by
years of marine training, the stakes
have never been higher. As the couple's
future now rests entirely in Ross'
hands,
we wake you up. Oh,
>> I'm sorry.
>> So, if you just want to start from kind
of the beginning of what you remember
and and we'll go from there.
>> All right. Um,
well, this will be fun cuz that was
quite a while ago. Um, I went out to run
my errands. [music] I didn't really
notice anything um, out of the ordinary
that I could see or uh, you know, that
morning when Amy got up, she noticed
that uh, her mom's dogs had not been
taken out yet, which was weird cuz her
mom takes her dogs out every morning.
So, so she went out there to see why her
mom's dogs hadn't been taken out. um she
let her mom's dogs out into the dog run
and she went up to the [clears throat]
uh house to, you know, knock on the
door, see if her mom maybe wasn't
feeling well, see if something was going
on that she didn't, you know, didn't
tell anything about. So, she opened it
up, walks in, and that's when she
apparently found the scene that she
found. Um, she went holding back out of
the house. Uh, I believe that's when she
made the call. I think she called 911
before she called me. If I remember
correctly
>> from the start, detectives immediately
notice a few things. Ross struggles to
maintain eye contact, and the story he's
telling is one they've already partially
verified. On the day of the murders,
surveillance footage captured Ross at a
nearby Quick Trip, seemingly supporting
his account. But what appeared to clear
Ross of suspicion 8 years earlier would
eventually become one of the strongest
pieces of evidence against him. For now,
Ross' story matches his original
account, but as he continues talking,
small changes would begin to emerge,
giving detectives an unexpected lead.
>> Can you describe, I guess, your kind of
your relationship with with Mike and
Kathy? [clears throat]
>> Yeah. So, um, at first when, uh, uh,
when Amy and I first started dating, um,
uh, my relationship with Mike was really
great, actually. Kathy is one of those
people that if you don't understand her,
she's hard to swallow. But I mean
overall I mean she was a really good
person I think. Um it's just like just
some of her mannerisms were a little bit
we'll say fun.
>> You brought home an Indian or red flags
but I don't know if they have anything
to do with this or not. Um one of them
was at really weird times and weird
hours of the day and night I would see
Mike walking around the perimeter of the
property talking to himself and
something like this. What do where does
your investigation normally what do you
guys normally follow in cases TV shows
that I watch always say follow the money
right and that's one [clears throat] of
the biggest things follow the money and
you find out where the real motives are
>> interestingly this follow the money
approach will prove to be the key to
solving the case but not in the way Ross
thinks after a few more minutes's
interview comes to an end and he's asked
to let Amy know it's her turn as
detectives wait for her. They know the
last time Amy spoke to law enforcement.
She sat silently as they angrily
confronted her over failing a polygraph
test. But now Amy's attitude would be
very different. And detectives are about
to see how 8 years of carrying a
terrifying secret had changed her.
>> I'd be so nervous letting my wife out
out there. You know what I mean? I I
know I'm
>> Why would I talk to you? You've already
accused me of of being You said I filed
a polygraph and you think I'm involved.
I'm not talking to you anymore. I said I
want my lawyer. What are we talking for?
>> That's what I mean. There there's no
reason to talk to the cops if you're
>> not in this instance.
>> Of course not. There's there's never a
reason when you're under suspicion of
anything to talk to them. Like there's
>> listen and and sometimes even when you
had nothing to do with it.
>> I'm not sure I feel too it depends on
how they were approached and how it they
came at me. But if I started thinking
like I think you think I'm involved in
this like I might be I even I might
start going I mean I didn't do anything
but I think you think I did something
[laughter]
but I don't think I want to be a part of
this.
>> Make them do the work. As I used to hear
cuz I let the cops in when they were
raiding my house one time. Uh I and I
told a guy in jail later he go I was
like they're probably going to get it
anyways. They had all this. He he goes
no no no make them get it. If you
somebody, make them find it. Make them
prove it, dude. It's what we pay tax
for.
>> Open the door. Go ahead and kick it in.
Let's see what you guys got. I'm gonna
I'm be clear of the door. I'm going to
sit on the couch. Go ahead and kick it
in. Work. Come on, man. Just open the
door.
>> Flashbang. Yeah. I want to sit.
>> Could you imagine? I'm like, come on,
Johnny. Just open the door. Nah, work
for it.
>> I'm
>> Get that thing out of the back of your
car. That big sledgehammer thing.
>> Boom. And they come in. I'll [ __ ] your
ass up,
>> man. Do you think he gives his wife any
any type of look as he says, "Hey,
they're ready for you." Like,
>> yeah, I mean, I think
>> I think his wife's a gangster. She's out
there smoking a [ __ ] cigarette.
>> Yeah. Having a butt. I ain't talking to
you. I ain't going in there.
>> That's what I talked to you before. You
already accused me of murder. I didn't
murder nobody.
>> I think she's going to fold like a
badass.
>> No. Do you think I That's the only way I
see how it gets solved.
>> I don't think I don't know if she's
going to fold, but I think she's going
to [ __ ] up.
>> That's possible. I love that they're
acting like they're [ __ ] like the his
his story changed slightly. But doesn't
everybody's story changed slightly over
the years
>> eight years.
>> He's the victim.
>> Oh, I got that very quickly.
>> Yep. Very quickly.
>> And he goes on and on and on benefit
from this one. Excellent.
>> But follow the money.
>> Follow the money.
>> You could tell he's
>> Yeah, I saw they crying. And every time
he's talking, he would look and then
when he would go to answer and and again
I don't but but he can't look at him in
the face. His timeline is extremely off.
>> You just hop in the passenger seat.
>> Okay. Well, we can we can stand outside.
You doing okay this morning?
>> Sorry to wake you up. Well, so my name's
Tyler. This is Steve. How are you?
>> But when we start with a case, you know,
we're considered a cold case, we want to
start from the beginning. That's how I
operate. I hope you have no bad feelings
with me. Um, I'm sorry that maybe the
county or somebody has has irritated
you. I can only imagine
>> irritation. You know, you get pretty
irritated about lies and stuff going
around everything else and how it
affects children
>> surfing and
>> but we we're trying to do right by your
mother, your grand your grandmother, and
then obviously Mr. Scott and his mom.
So,
>> I don't know if y'all are
redoing it and y'all going to do it
justice and that would be wonderful.
Despite Amy claiming she's okay with the
case being reopened, her defensive
demeanor tells detectives otherwise.
After reviewing the original case file,
Detective Duncan knows that confronting
Amy directly has never worked. So,
learning from their previous experience,
he decides to take an opposite approach
to get to the bottom of what Amy truly
feels about the victims.
>> What do you remember? What can you help
us with? Where should we look? I mean
I mean obviously you got to know finding
dead people doesn't really leave you in
the right state of mind could do things
to you.
>> Yes ma'am.
>> Um but and then everything that ensued.
I mean honestly I can't even tell you I
can barely remember the funerals. I
don't really remember much about being
inside the house anymore. I I think I
blocked that out. That's just and that's
just how it's going to have to be at
this point because I've got children.
I've got to be here for them and I can't
be in the loop of them. We had another
girl I was working for. She was around
at the time here and there. Roxy.
>> You said her name was Roxy.
>> Yeah, Roxy.
>> How about leading? So, he Ross, tell us
a little bit about like the relationship
between like I guess y'all and the
family. I guess it was good and then
something happened.
>> Uh yeah, I remember what happened. Um I
mean, a lot of people remember what
happened. We got into it around 4th of
July or something with Mike. It didn't
have much to do with my mom and my
grandmother. Of course, my father died
when I was 18, so I didn't need another
father cuz I was 23 and had my own kid.
And there had always been issues there
for years, believable things. So, and he
had issues with a couple of my
ex-husbands. He had issues with a couple
of my friends.
>> Now, who this is Mike?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Um, I really hate to tell y'all this. It
probably sounds horrible coming from me,
but he wasn't a nice person.
>> For the first time in 8 years, Amy
admits she never had a good relationship
with her stepfather. But detectives
would later learn her resentment towards
him went far deeper. She also points
Duncan and Spingola towards her friend
and former employee Roxy. Someone
detectives now need to interview as soon
as possible. Before wrapping up,
Detective Spingola has one more question
for Amy. One they would return to again
and again throughout the investigation.
>> How are things going financially at that
time? Okay.
>> Yeah, it was fine.
>> No problems.
>> Nothing happened for me.
>> You tried to cooperate. I know you
answered questions before.
>> Yeah.
>> You took a polygraph.
>> Yeah.
>> How'd that go?
>> Uh they were like they they wouldn't
even know me. They acted like I did
something horrible on it, you know, and
it's not I haven't wanted.
>> All you have to say is I failed because
that thing's [ __ ] My heart was
racing a mile a minute. Like
>> voodoo science and I just found out that
my [ __ ] parents were and my
grandparents were dead.
>> Yeah. Of course. My heart rate was
[ __ ] bouncing everywhere. Like
>> I'd had two Red Bulls.
>> Yeah.
>> You know.
>> Yeah. Couple all over the place.
>> Couple of new ports. I was in a I was in
a blackout. Yeah.
>> You get to a certain point and you see
where things are going and you're like,
you know what? isn't [ __ ]
>> Thank you for talking to us.
>> She can't remember anything because she
doesn't remember her lies.
>> They don't They don't have anything,
dude.
>> Despite Amy's best attempts, detectives
know her account is full of lies, even
more so than Ross's. Still, at this
stage, they have nothing concrete tying
either Amy or Ross to the murders, and
the couple knows it. Once detectives
return to the station, both sides
realize they're at a pivotal point in
the investigation. as the next 24 hours
could determine whether Amy and Ros walk
free or spend the rest of their lives
behind bars.
The following morning, Detective Scotty
Hill and prosecutor Kelly Seagler follow
up on the previous day's leads and
decide to pay a visit to Amy's former
coworker, Roxy. The detective's hunch is
that Amy [music] believes this interview
will strengthen her alibi. But by
introducing a new potential witness,
whatever Roxy is about to say now has
the power to shift the investigation in
either the detectives or the couple's
favor.
They just walk in with a a sack of
Doritos
>> and [laughter] she's gonna spill it all
and she she they like she I don't know
nothing. I don't know. Hold up those
Doritos.
>> Shake them a little bit and she'll be
like, "Come on in.
>> Wait a minute. Are those the
>> Are those the special holiday Doritos?
>> Come on in."
>> Oh, I thought they sold out of them.
[laughter]
>> Hey, Rosie. How you doing?
>> Good. How are you?
>> Doing fine.
>> Yeah, we really should make these. these
people are we decided to do is start
this case from the beginning and work it
like it's never been worked before.
>> Do everything we can. So obviously you
were kind of a big deal in the early
early days of the case. You worked for a
Ross name, right?
>> How was she to work for?
>> Um cool laid back. Um we jumped around a
lot. Never took anyone too serious.
>> Um I think I seen
um Kathy and what was his name?
>> Mike.
>> Mike. um at the the shop, the grooming
shop twice and the first time everything
was great and then the second time they
came uh it wasn't good.
>> Um it was kind of I was in the back
grooming so I didn't hear everything
that was going on but just watching the
body language and hearing what they were
saying at the time. It wasn't [music] it
was something to do with money. Okay. Um
because afterwards Stacy, not Stacy, uh
Amy had talked about um how she was
going to keep her kids away from um
Kathy and Mike and that's when they just
went kahoots from there. They never
>> come along to that. And then throughout
working there, she'd always tell me
about how she was treated growing up and
all of that. So,
>> what kind of stuff would she say about
how she was treated? Um, she told me
that she was always a daddy's girl and
when um her dad passed away, I think she
said her dad had a he was working on a
car and it crushed him and [music] he
would place in the hospital.
>> Um, and her mom decided to pull the plug
on him and she said she was only 13 and
so she didn't really have a say so. But
she always uh hated mom for that.
>> What Roxy has just revealed could
provide detectives with one of the
strongest [music] motives behind the
murders. As Amy's hatred towards her
mother over the decision to remove her
father from life support had only
deepened over the years. And as
detectives wrap up the interview and
relay their findings to Duncan and
Spingola, Amy and Ross are completely
unaware that their luxurious life is
about to come crashing down. [laughter]
>> Their luxurious life, a Ford Mustang
parked on the lawn of a [ __ ] two bed,
one bath uh w with a uh what do you call
it? A disabled railing on the front.
Duncan and Spingola drive over to two
people who knew the victims better than
almost anyone else. Their closest
friends, Stan and Mary, to see if their
stories match. Detectives decide to
interview them separately. And while
they expect to hear more unsubstantiated
claims, they're about to uncover much
more than that.
>> Will you just hop in a pass your seat so
we can sit down and and talk about what
happened back in 2015 real quick?
>> We're investigating the case again. Um
going through going through everything.
Um, and that's kind of why, you know, we
kind of talk in private a little bit and
just see. I know at some point in time,
I think you had called and talk with
some detectives back back then and
stuff. So,
>> I did because I felt like I I need to
tell them what I knew about what Barbara
had told me.
>> I kind I kind of come on the case
earlier this year. Uh, started reviewing
it and stuff. Uh,
>> I hope you catch it, man. I tell you
what, we were with him. Uh, Kathy was
here that Friday before we don't know
exactly when she died, either Friday
night or Saturday, whatever. But uh she
and Kelly and uh and we told the first
people uh we were really good friends.
She cleaned our house, but Mike and I
were good friends and uh uh we sent food
home for them. Our food was in their
refrigerator when they died. I'd say at
least 3 months before that happened, she
was just a nervous wreck over what was
going on up there in that house. And
then that last time I went, that was
just a few days before that happened. Uh
Barbara was just I mean she was beside
herself crying and and going on about
how uh Amy something bad was going to
happen because uh uh Amy just [music]
seemed like she just hated their guts.
>> I think the week that he died or the
weekend that he died. I think he told
his boss that he knew he was going to
die.
>> You know why he would say that?
>> He was going to get killed.
>> He was that afraid?
>> Yeah. He just knew. I think they might
have. I don't remember all of that
stuff, but uh you know,
>> to the detective's surprise, neither
Stan nor Mary believe these murders came
out of nowhere. Their accounts suggest
this may have been a planned attack,
potentially explaining why so little
evidence was left behind. But what stood
out to Stan and Mary even more was the
couple's behavior in the days after the
murders, convincing them that one of the
is indeed the killer.
>> Two of the funeral, anything unusual?
>> Weird.
>> Weird.
for them just to come in like they were
all upset and concerned about what had
happened. That just didn't seem normal
to me. I don't know.
>> Do you remember anything anything
unusual happened at the funeral?
Anything that stuck out in your mind?
>> Do I have to say that?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't want to say it.
>> You know, we we're trying to put this
together.
>> Do I have to say it? Yeah. I don't want
to say.
>> Ready?
>> Red dress.
>> I don't remember the color dress, but
short dress, boots, and all that kind of
stuff. Kelly will be able to tell you
more than I can on that. She was dressed
like a
>> That's what That's what she said. That's
what he said. He goes, "She was dressed
like a By the way,
>> it's a pretty nice skirt." Yeah, I guess
you wouldn't wear that. It's a little
short for
>> above the knees for a funeral. Okay,
come on.
>> Little too far up the knees. Yeah.
>> Speaking to them or having anything to
do with them, I don't know why she
decided she'd come in and check on them.
>> What' you think of?
>> I heard it, I I thought Amy's done what
she promised she was going to do. I
never even considered it being anybody
else. when you heard they were they were
murdered. What was your first thought?
>> They killed her.
>> What makes you say that?
>> They did. They're the ones that killed
her. Uh and y'all know that too. So
several people told me, you know, just
don't have the proof. And what I was
told, I don't know, maybe your sheriff
told me that, but uh they went in over
there. The uh uh deputies and stuff
thought it was a murder and screwed up
all the evidence.
>> After speaking with Stan and Mary,
detectives Duncan and Spangola know
they're closing in on a breakthrough.
They just hope it comes fast enough
before the couple disappears. Over the
following weeks, Duncan and Spangola
conduct dozens more interviews with
family members and friends, re-examining
every piece of evidence to see whether
anything had been overlooked over the
years. And that's when they come across
something peculiar. Amy had insisted
from the beginning the $60,000 recovered
from her home was her savings. But as
investigator Duncan digs deeper, he
discovers Amy and Ross' dog grooming
business had been earning far less than
they originally claimed. That's when
Spingola uncovers something critical.
While reviewing the victim's phone
records, he finds that just days before
his death, Mike had photographed stacks
of cash to prove to a seller that he had
enough money for an upcoming purchase.
But upon closer inspection, the serial
numbers in this photograph exactly match
the cash seized from Amy and Ross' home.
>> Oh, that's pretty good evidence.
>> How did they how did it take them eight
years, though? What did them having to
re-exam like rettalk to all these
people? What does that have to do with
combing through digital records?
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
>> No.
>> These are the This is the A team.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They had to bring in
outsiders. As I've said, they had to
bring somebody from outside the
Carolinas with half a brain. Florida.
Fine. [laughter]
>> You people. You people are highminded
and educated compared to this lot.
>> All right.
>> Their biggest breakthrough yet. Duncan
and Spinola revisit the CCTV footage
from the morning of November 1st and
identify the shoes Ross was wearing.
Fred AS6 Speed Star sneakers when they
compare them to the play footprint left
at the scene. The match is undeniable.
Nearly a decade later, Detective Duncan
finally has the concrete physical
evidence he's been searching for. On the
morning of December 20th, detectives
return to the couple's home for what
they believe will be their final visit.
Once they arrive, they spot Ros's brand
new Ford Mustang, confirming the couple
hadn't disappeared. So, here's they're
going to ask him like, "Uh, Ross, do you
ever go in the house
>> after Amy?" No. Never went in. You never
went in. There's no reason your
>> shoe prints would be in there. What? No.
>> Why wouldn't he just say he went in
there?
>> Right. Because that's what everybody do.
The denial, denial, denial. Instead of
saying, "Yeah, I'm Amy and I."
>> Yeah. The house is literally right
there. It's 50 yards away. Of course, I
went into it.
>> No, but after the body was found. Like,
did you Because there footprints were in
the blood. The shoes were in the blood.
>> In the blood where though outside of the
house?
>> No. No. In in the house they said in the
house they found foot is footprint for
that shoe size
>> in blood.
>> So
>> So you just say what you say is I ran in
there and I stood over them and then my
shoe got bloody
>> like that. To me that's
>> the best bet is for him to say I just
want to talk to a lawyer. Like you guys
have come by here over and over again.
I've told you everything I know. I I
don't want to talk to you.
>> Right.
>> From from the beginning. The moment the
moment they said you failed the
polygraph, I'd be like, "Yeah, we we'd
never talk again."
>> No, never.
>> No. You've already told me that you're
focusing on me. I'm not cooperating at
this point forward.
>> The damningness part is the the most
damning part is the serial numbers on
the bills that were
>> the foot the bloody footprint is pretty
damning.
>> I mean, I understand that, but that's an
easyation
that that's it gives you a a hey, here
is the um it gives you a reason for them
for sure, right? Like this is the
>> So I understand the motive right there
for the the money is the motive. The
footprint confirms he was in the house.
But
>> if a good lawyer is like, "Well, yeah,
he ran into the house.
>> Never told us that before. Amy never
said it. I know.
>> You never said he never said it. We
talked to him three times.
>> They [ __ ] up big time." It's always
these small things that that get
overlooked and then come back to haunt
you.
>> Amy refuses to speak with him this time.
Ross agrees to another interview. 8
years without an arrest, Ross is
convinced any evidence against him
simply doesn't exist. But he's about to
get a reality check and his final chance
to explain away the damning evidence
stacked against him.
>> Hey, so we just want to ask you a couple
more things and we're going to get out
of here. Okay.
>> So, here was something that had come up
um while we was looking through the
file. Do you remember owning a a like a
red pair of shoes?
>> Red pair of shoes.
>> ASIC uh Speed Star shoes.
>> Don't recall. Yeah.
>> So, there was a video on your phone of
you wearing these AS6 shoes.
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I remember those
shoes.
>> What What happened to the shoes?
Cuz I don't think they ever found they
never found my shoes
>> eight years ago.
>> That's a good question cuz I have no
idea. Possibly far away.
>> The reason that I ask is we found
[snorts]
this is from crime scene photo.
>> Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you
get it? Lock them into your story first.
Lock them into the Did you ever go in
the house? Did you this? No. No. No, no,
no, no. Oh, okay. Well, here's what we
found.
So, you just you're lying. Like, we've
got you. We got this. We got the money.
>> And this is admissible in court, right?
>> Yeah. Of course. Of course. We can't
prove 100% that it was your shoes cuz
they don't have the shoes. Like, they
could have little scratches and they
could mark up some stuff. But either
way, you had these size shoes. You were
wearing the shoes. We see it on social
media. You want to lock him into the
story of never had those shoes. Or,
yeah, those are my shoes. I don't but I
never went in that house. So my shoe
print should not be in a pool of blood.
>> Right. Yeah. And then and then present
them the evidence after after he gets
>> he's got to backpedal or say, "Oh, I
want to get a lawyer." Most likely
that's when people break. They go,
"Okay, let me explain what happened."
>> And then he's going to throw his wife
under the bus.
>> She's a [ __ ] bro. You know what I'm
dealing with. [laughter]
>> You're married, right? Yeah. Okay. So,
you understand?
>> Period. We're not talking anymore.
You're married. You get it. The wife
always wants a new kitchen. She's always
bothering you. When are we going to get
a new kitchen? Well, imagine if your
wife was saying, "I want my parents
dead. I want my grandparents dead." Just
over and over, bitching, complaining.
>> Same thing. Same thing. New
>> boring. You get it.
>> Yeah, man. Tell me everything. Tell me
everything that happened, man. Tell me.
Help yourself. Help yourself. And now
you got him. No, but what's wild is that
because of body cam footage,
>> every interaction with police, even
before suspects are indicted,
>> is like a mini interrogation. It's like
everything is like being in in an
interrogation room.
>> You know what I mean? So, it's it's
never never talked to the cops if you
did it. Just it's just always like,
"Guys, I don't talk to you. It's no it's
no disrespect, but I I've just seen what
you can do. I've seen how you twist
things and I I only talk with my lawyer
present."
>> Yeah.
>> If you got enough, I'm happy to be
arrested by you.
>> I've watched I've watched videos where
guys confess to crimes they didn't
commit.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, you're there for eight hours.
You're you're you're thinking they're
I'm trying to avoid the death penalty.
These guys are telling me I'm going to
get the death penalties, which they're
allowed to do. Do you know that they're
allowed to actually threaten you with
the death penalty? The Supreme Court
said that the cops can not only lie to
you, they actually threatened a guy with
the with the uh that you're going to get
the death penalty. Now, if you confess,
we can keep you from getting the death
penalty. That went to the Supreme Court.
They were like, "What are you talking
about? It's practically torture." And
they went to the Supreme Court and the
Supreme Court said, "I mean, they didn't
manufacture anything. thing. I mean, if
he was guilty, he couldn't.
>> So then he and then he so he told on
himself even though he didn't do it.
>> Yeah. He people he he admitted that he
killed the people. Of course, you know,
like 12 years later, you find out that
guess what? DNA exonerates him. He
didn't do it. He was just trying to
avoid being killed.
>> Yeah. We got to get the Supreme Court
out of there. No more. You can't serve
for life. You're human beings. You're
corruptible.
>> Yeah. The answer is Look, I'm not going
to resist. If you got enough, come
arrest me. I, you know, I'm not going to
resist. I'm not going to run. But until
then, kick rocks
>> inside. They have blood droplets on. And
interestingly enough, you're at the
quick trip wearing those shoes. They're
not at the murders. I have no idea how
those shoes would have any kind of blood
on you. So wearing them at a quick trip
on third person.
>> And they never found the clothes either
that you were wearing. I mean, I I can
understand what that would look like to
be a problem, but again, I don't know
where the shoes are at the moment, and I
[snorts] don't remember what ever
happened to those particular shoes if
something were to have happened that I
had done. Would be stupid for me to wear
them in the house and then wear them
after that.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. They were
never found. So, it's almost like you
got rid of them. And y'all did benefit
from the murders, okay? Because you got
a lot of money. We've been through your
financials, okay?
>> You didn't get We got a lot of money
from this.
>> Y'all were struggling all up until the
murders. The money found in your safe.
There's money photos from Mike's
computer that match the same serial
numbers as the money that was found in
the safe. So, it's not savings. That's
money that was found inside of Mike and
Kathy's house that Mike was saving and
y'all took it after you killed him.
Okay? And I'm telling you right now,
we're going to prove it.
>> Or you can roll a dice. When that jury
comes back, I'm telling you, like you
said, it's not going to be pretty. We're
not here because we think you did it or
you might have did it. We know you did
it. Okay? We're just here as a courtesy.
It's piling up real. So, you're telling
me that and if you guys said you went
through my financials,
>> right?
>> You saw where I had made the money
>> and we saw what you spented. [music]
>> No, you didn't.
>> Yes, we did.
>> Cars. Your car was even reborn, buddy.
I'm tell I'm not trying to scare you
here, man.
>> That's actually absolutely what you're
trying to do.
>> No, I'm not. You said it the best.
Follow the money. We did that. Let right
into your single wide. Just telling you
>> so many people live in trailers in South
Carolina. The single wide is just the
it's like accepted vernacular.
>> It's against him. Detective Duncan and
Spinola follow the money and ironically
they led detectives straight back to
him. For the first time, Ross begins to
realize he and Amy may not be as
untouchable as they once believed. But
even then, he's convinced detectives
still don't have enough to secure a
conviction, and he's about to show them
just how confident he really is.
>> Let's just play this out in a
hypothetical. Right.
>> Right. Let's say a deal happens, right?
What kind of deal would that be? I don't
know, Ross. Here's Okay, but here's the
deal.
>> I knew it.
>> That's a very bad analogy.
>> I knew it. He's about to get down on his
wife, dude. I'm telling you.
>> Okay.
>> What kind of deal do you think like it
would be?
>> Uh I think he butchered him. I think
he's the one that killed him. So, that's
it's it's a tough You're in a tough
position. They probably both get 25
years,
you know. I think he probably goes to
trial and loses. But
>> prosecutors just suck.
>> But actually, they might get way more.
You know, think about it. I you might be
able to get 15 or 20 years because they
don't they have a lot but they don't
they
>> it's not
>> so much solid more solid of a case if he
if you have one of them rolling.
>> Yeah. Roll on. Look, we're going to
avoid the death penalty.
>> It's South Carolina, man.
>> Yeah.
>> So, uh maybe you get 30, 25, Amy gets
life.
>> Yeah. Get a lawyer and start
negotiating. Let's get it down to 15. I
can do 15. She does 15. I do 15. She's
the one who forced me to do it.
>> You think 15 a shot?
>> I don't know. We'll see because it
depends on how comfortable they feel.
They feel super solid like, "No, we
bring this. We're 95% chance we're going
to get a conviction. We bring this to a
jury."
>> I don't know. I'd probably convict I'd
convict them
>> if I was a prosecutor. Yeah. But you
we've seen what these prosecutors I
mean, a lot of them just want to take
the deal. These are not brilliant
lawyers. These cops suck [ __ ] eight
years and they couldn't like even bother
to go through like text messages.
>> You know what I mean? Like these are not
brilliant people. Let's see. We're four
minutes away.
>> Here's the thing, sir. Without a deal,
>> there's no hope. Do you believe that? I
want you to go and you think about this.
>> I understand that. But my my point being
is you guys just brought up my kids, my
wife, my family.
>> Mine is going to be better than Amy cuz
I came to the trough first. Right.
>> Right.
>> So, prison time no matter what.
>> Amy prison time no matter what. So now
you're talking about both of us are
going to prison. Um my my three kids in
here, [music] they grow up without a
father and a mother. Granted, my mother
would be more than willing to take them.
I understand that.
>> We're not the ones who put you on this
predicament. Okay. Y'all made a decision
for whatever reason, okay, to do what
y'all did.
>> You say we made a decision.
>> Well, I understand. We make decisions at
us.
>> So now you have now, you know, 8 years,
whatever. Now you're going to have to
deal with the consequences. For almost
10 years now, no one has found anything
enough to come down [snorts] here and
bother me or my wife or my family. For
eight years, nothing's been enough to
come down here. But now, all of a
sudden, 8 years later, there's enough
evidence to come bother me. Why? Or how?
>> And we found the missing pieces.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. I just showed you.
>> Why Why is it Why is it 8 years later
that missing pieces have just finally
>> Cuz we're stupid, man.
>> We're We're overwhelmed and and
understaffed. That's why. But guess
what?
>> We got because we got
>> We're here now.
>> It's guy's like, "Okay, man. We get it.
We got high school educations, but we
got you now."
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> The guy's all mad. He's like, "I pay
taxes." What? I pay taxes for it took
y'all eight years to arrest us.
>> Could you imagine him say, "Amy and I
were" And he says, "Amy and me."
[laughter]
>> I can't answer that because I wasn't I
wasn't the ones that was investigating
this case before I got it.
>> So tell me where they felt. Sure.
>> I don't know. I can't plead guilty to
something that
>> don't go there. Don't go there anymore,
please. I have a lot of respect for you.
Don't go there anymore. I did my job and
you did yours. You understand it? Yep.
That's it. That's the bottom line. No
more bull here. I won't then if if that
is where we are, then at this juncture,
it is time for me to hop out of the
truck and I probably will be contacting
an attorney.
>> Okay.
>> Yep. You guys have a nice drive back to
Anderson.
>> Despite Ross still refusing to admit to
the horrific crime he and Amy committed.
All right. If you're in this guy
situation, like what's your game plan
right now?
>> I start selling everything.
>> I'm going on the run.
>> Fire sale.
>> Yeah. I I don't uh
>> I give you the whole lot. I'll give you
everything and Amy.
>> I think I mean five grand.
>> Like if he's the one who killed her
killed the the the whole family
>> if he's the trigger man.
>> He's so stupid though. I'm so I I can't
put myself in his shoes because he's
such a dumbass. Um what do you do?
>> I think you can.
>> I'll figure it [laughter] out. Uh, what
would you do, Matt?
>> Oh my god, bro. Are you serious? Like, I
God,
>> honestly, if I were him, I would have no
scruples. I would make a deal. I'd
contact an attorney and be like,
>> it would be that or or just run like I'
I'd probably contact an attorney and
start the negotiations to try and figure
because you might be like, "No, I'm
getting 30 years, 30." And you they may
come back and be like, "Seven years."
>> Now, he might be like, "Oh, I'll do
seven years."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I would
start the negotiations behind Amy's
back, my wife's back. I would call a
lawyer and be like, "I need you to get a
hold of these detectives and the DA. I'm
ready to turn myself in, but let's talk
for a few more days. Let me see what
they're talking about. In the meantime,
I'd probably if they have any money, I'd
probably start packing." Yeah. If this
guy starts, if they came back and they
were like, "Okay, well, they're saying
they're saying you both get 35 years."
No. What do you think the chances of me
getting less than that? Might be able to
get him down in 25. It's like, "Oh my
god." You see what I'm saying? Like if
you were sitting there thinking like if
it became obvious you're doing 25 years
do you run I don't know how much time
you
>> 25 years for four bodies something that
really should get you the death penalty
or in a state like South Carolina.
>> I understand it's a good deal but in his
mind he might be thinking why not just
take off and make the attempt I'll go
live in [ __ ]
>> cuz he's not you're not going to get
away.
>> I mean I agree he's probably not.
>> What do you mean they're not going to
get away? They're not
>> because you don't have enough money. You
don't have enough resources. You're not
connected enough to like
>> disappear forever.
>> If he was Mexican, he might be able to
flee to Mexico. If he was South
American, if he was he is Indian, but
does he have you can't get on a flight?
He's never been to India. So, you can't
go like they just and these are they're
not sophisticated people. So, they don't
they can't live somewhere forever.
They're going to run to like
>> a relative's house in West Virginia.
It's not going to do any good. They're
they're going to get found within a
month. Do you think if they had moved to
like some other country
a year after that h the event happened
like they would go?
>> Yes, they would be. You're right. They
could totally have done that. They had
nothing. Well, they actually did to be
quite honest. They had they if these
idiot cops had found the text messages
connecting the money that they took uh
that they the photos of the money that
they took from Amy and this guy's house
and had had
>> connected the serial numbers. Yeah,
>> that's something. But if they're if
you're already in another country, it's
not damning evidence, right? All right.
>> Like they realize they knew their Even
now it's not cuz look at my parents just
got murdered. I know they got a bunch of
cash in there. I'm going to take it. Of
course I'm going to take it. who I I'm
I'm the rightful next next of kin there.
>> Why didn't you just leave it? You know,
ultimately you're getting it. You're
getting the house. You're getting
everything.
>> You look I don't trust cops. I don't
trust cops. You got
>> No, I'm not saying what what the excuse
is. I'm just asking in general, you and
I, like why did they take the cash? That
was stupid. You could have left it. You
were going to get it and they you
probably inherited everything. Why would
you take the cash or leave it? Or I
would take it and and tell them, hey,
I'm just taking I'm safeguarding this
cuz I know Mike had a lot of enemies. I
didn't want somebody coming to the
house. That's also reasonable. It's
reasonable to me that the kids who are
neighbors would take a bunch of cash out
of their their dead parents house
because they they didn't want thieves or
whatever. Mike dealt guns to people.
There's a lot of ways that a good
attorney, if they had just kept their
[ __ ] tight, could beat this back.
>> Yeah. I think if they had decided, you
know what, [ __ ] it. Let's take all let's
sell everything and pick up and move to
>> to to to to uh uh the Dominican
Republic.
>> Yeah, exactly. Somewhere because I don't
think that these cops in South Carolina
looking into a cold case at that point
once they said these people have moved
like we're not showing up at their door.
Hey, can you fly the three of us there
so that we can go there and have a
conversation with them? They're going to
be No,
>> we just don't have that in the budget.
It's not like the DEA that's like is
chasing
>> spend five or six grand to fly you out,
put you in a [ __ ] hotel for a week.
I'm sorry. Three days. Yeah. So, you
want me to send you on vacation?
>> Yeah.
>> To do this? No. No, we're not doing
that. Call the local cops. See what they
say. They're going to show up. They're
going to be like, "You want us to
interview your people for
>> What do you want me to say?
>> What? like I don't we don't care about
catching our own criminals,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. So, I agree.
>> You're going to trust the locals to do
that.
>> Now, it would be one thing if they
already had a warrant for their arrest.
You probably could get because people in
those communities, if you flew to J if
you fled to Jamaica, the Jamaican
authorities are like, "Yeah, these
gringo, yeah, let's just go." There's
probably is some kind of interstate
compact or inner country compact to
where they would arrest you.
>> Yeah. They call it like extradition.
There's no way that anybody in in the
South Carolina pays to fly these guys
out. The locals are not picking them up.
They're done. They would be af
in uh you know, Haiti or or [ __ ]
Jamaica, wherever you going to live,
which I might as well they're going to
be by locals with mach for being such
[ __ ] insufferable [ __ ]
>> Yeah, they they could have picked up and
tried to move somewhere like I don't
know, Belgium or some place.
>> Well, well, the guy talk about Aruba,
right? You know the guy Johans Johannes
Beethoven Bach uh the the white
>> Yeah.
>> from Mississippi in Aruba.
>> But yeah, Natalie Holloway which was a
wonderful girl. So
>> wonderful girl. But
>> but what about they could go to Panama?
Panama's it's not close. It's far enough
that they're it's they're not going to
and it's basically America.
>> The only way they can prove You're
right. It's
only [clears throat] if they have a rock
solid case and you have a really
high-profile. It just depends, dude. But
they did not have enough. They still
needed to come back and re and talk to
these people to to rope them into their
lies.
>> They would not have bothered to do that
>> if they were in another country. No,
>> they would not have.
>> This would have never gone this far.
They would have been like, "Man, they've
moved. We're not going to spend5
or$10,000.
>> Well, we don't even know if we have
enough to put to pin them." Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? We're not doing
this. We got other cases.
>> Exactly. [clears throat]
>> We got local that are still local.
>> Yeah. We got a new grandma got killed by
a granddaughter case. We're South
Carolina.
>> Mit to the horrific crime he and Amy
committed. Duncan and Spangola no longer
need his confession. The evidence speaks
for itself. Later that day, both Amy and
Ross are arrested and transported to the
Anderson County Detention Center where
they're charged with four counts of
murder. Based on 8 years of findings,
[clears throat] this is what
investigators believe happened on the
night of October 31st, 2015. Around
p.m. that night, Amy and Ross
walked the short distance from their
trailer to the Scott family home.
Because they were family, detectives
believe they were able to enter the
house without forcing their way inside.
Investigators believe Mike Scott was
attacked first before he had a chance to
defend himself. Kathy Scott, Barbara
Scott, and Violet Taylor all suffered
slash wounds, which investigators
concluded were the fatal injuries. After
they had already died, each victim was
then shot in the head. Detectives
believe Amy and Ross then took the cash
Mike kept inside the home before leaving
the scene. 2 days after the murder, Amy
returned to the house and placed the 911
call reporting she had discovered the
bodies. In February 2026, Amy is found
guilty on all four counts of murder. And
>> all right, one last prediction, four
sentences.
>> So, wait, they went to trial or they
plead guilty?
>> Found No, found guilty. These
[ __ ] took it to the box, dude.
>> Wow. Uh, I'm going to guess I'm going to
guess life
cuz she's a woman.
>> Sentenced to four life sentences. As of
August 2026, Ross remains behind bars
awaiting trial. If convicted, he too
could receive four life sentences, one
for each victim.
>> Interesting.
>> Here's what I think. It's very good
possibility that Amy gets out of her
life sentences. She might get end up
with like 30 years.
>> Why? How? She testifies against him.
He's still going to trial.
You You got me, but you want to
guarantee you get him.
>> I'll testify against him. You reduce my
sentence when we're done.
>> What I mean, if she's guilty, he's
guilty. And if he's guilty,
>> I've seen it happen multiple times in
the feds where one person's where you
this person gets found tried and found
not guilty. This person gets tried, he's
found guilty. It's like it's the same
crime. Says that you were both like
that. Guess why they like right now,
keep in mind they have different
attorneys, different approaches. He
might come in there. She might have come
in and said, "There's no evidence. I
didn't do this. I don't know what
they're talking about." That was her
defense. He might come in and say,
"You're right. Do you see all this money
that was spread out? Did he pay me with
with one of the a $20 bill?" Yeah, I
motivated me one of the He gave me two
of the 20s. He gave me 40 bucks. That's
why that one bill has the serial number.
But guess what? He that person that he
spread that money out and showed it to
him, that was a big incentive for that
person to know he's got the money in the
house. He probably came in there and
tortured those people with the then
killed them all and shot them. You never
found the gun,
>> you know.
>> Yeah.
>> And and did I walk in and see it? Yeah,
I walked in and saw it and got scared
and I left and I lied about that and I'm
sorry, but that money I got paid with 20
bucks. Like and then well some lone
jurors like
>> that's that's reasonable doubt. I
believe that's possible. I'm not going
to find him guilty. And guess what?
Amy's done. She got four life sentences
and he walks.
>> Right. So instead of that, instead of
taking that risk,
>> Yeah. Amy says, "I'll go and I'll
testify against him." Yeah.
>> And get you a guarant [ __ ] tea. He
goes, "But you got to knock these life
sentences off me. Give me 30 years.
Knock me down to 30 years."
>> I wonder if any I wonder if he testified
against her. Like what evidence did the
state have besides
>> the conjecture that
>> what we know?
>> They didn't have a lot of they didn't
have a lot of evidence to me.
>> We've got the most powerful device ever
created
in the history of humanity at our
disposal. I say we ask right now
>> with the internet whatever some AI how
much time this douchebag get because you
know he got he got sent in. She's not
smart enough to do this.
>> No. How much time do you get?
>> I mean, they're both both pretty stupid.
>> He's still awaiting trial.
>> That's what the video said.
>> Yeah.
>> He's still awaiting trial.
>> Can we go into Can we go into like how
>> I figured that video was
>> what they had against her?
>> He was halted. Oh, the trial was halted
after judge suppressed.
>> Granted, a suppression motion filed by
Ross Valard's defense team. The judge
ruled that the original search warrant
used in the Valardi single wide trailer
lacked probable cause. Meaning key
physical evidence could not be used AT
TRIAL.
>> COULD YOU IMAGINE he walks and she's
locked up? He's coming to see her. I'm
going to put money on your
>> coming to see her. No, he's [ __ ] out.
He's He's a free man, dude. He's a free
man. And he's a free man.
>> I've told Jess many times, if you ever
you go to jail, baby, I will put money
on your books. I will make you very
popular. You're going to put money on
your books and I'm going to come see
you. I'm going send you all the books
you want.
>> You guys could have a podcast, kind of
like a couple's podcast.
>> Could you imagine how funny that would
be if you're going to visit your girl in
prison? She gets like a year and you I'd
be the whole time we'd be just giggling,
laughing like
>> Can we Can we go back to see what
evidence they had against her, though?
He He's the one that buried him.
>> Got the prince.
>> He's the one Exactly. That's what I
mean. He's the one that buried him with
his [ __ ] mouth. So what?
>> You know what I mean?
>> I don't think he said anything. It was
convicted by despite no physical DNA or
fingerprint evidence directly tying her.
The jail asked confession. The most
damaging piece of evidence came from
Amy's former cellmate, Jackie Phillips.
Phillips testified that Amy admitted to
the killings, detailing how she and her
husband coraled them into the living
room before Ross did the deed and shot
them. Phillips added that she was
explicitly asked Amy if she was
involved. Amy used hand gestures to
signal that she was right there helping.
jail house snitch. Do we believe her?
God, dude. If they had had Jose Bayas,
of Casey Anthony fame, of Aaron
Hernandez fame, I would have shredded a
[ __ ] jailhouse lawyer, dude. Or a
jail house snitch.
A set of larger footprints match
specific red asex, right? A separate
pair of bare footprints matching Amy's
proving to the jury that two people
actively walked through the blood. Okay,
so there were she had
>> bare feet. bare feet. But again, a good
lawyer is like, "Miss Amy, you ran into
the house." Yeah.
>> When you discovered your parents and
your grandparents dead. Well, yes, of
course I did.
>> Would you go to a murder in bare feet?
>> Right. Exactly.
>> No, of course I wouldn't. I was there in
the morning. I came over. I walk around
all the time.
>> I walked in.
>> It's [ __ ] 50 ft away. The problem is
the difference is you and I know she's a
dirty foot and dirty foots will go to
and commit a murder in bare feet.
>> Right. But I was just I but I know I
would go to commit a murder in bare
feet, but I was there running through
when I discovered the murdered. Yeah.
>> Here's the digital footprint. The
prosecution highlighted highly
suspicious electronic behavior
immediately following the Halloween 2015
murders. The day after the killing,
before she called 911 to report finding
the bodies, Amy and Ross drove to
Blewood, South Carolina, where they
discarded their cell phones and
purchased entirely.
>> Oh, they missed all that. That's way way
[ __ ] damning.
>> That is damning.
>> That is not a good plan.
>> Damn, Dr. Insanity, where are you at?
>> And of course, and they they they also
obviously discarded the the shoes and
all of their stuff, right? Come on.
>> The defense argued the case was a
product of tunnel vision. Yeah. I mean,
those cops were morons.
>> And who the [ __ ] throws away their cell
phone?
>> It's everything's on your I mean,
everything's on the cloud. Like, what?
Like, you think that there's no, "Oh, we
got rid of the cell phone." Like, that
doesn't mean anything. That's the device
you're reading it on. It's still out
there.
>> Patriot Act, dude. I can see the
dickpick that you sent in 2003 and it
wasn't even there weren't even camera
phones.
>> I can still see it. I can still see when
you whacked off
>> in 2012.
>> What are you doing? Some weird [ __ ]
>> I'm interrogating myself.
>> Okay. [laughter]
What happens to the husband? What's the
predictions?
>> Uh, I hope he walks.
>> I think Yeah. No. Well, I think I think
she [ __ ] rolls over on him because
now they have to go to her with a deal.
>> They just lost every everything that was
in
>> that motion. Yeah, that that was a big
win for him getting that motion
suppressed that saying that that search
warrant was was bad.
>> Can you imagine? You're the killer and
you walk and your [ __ ] girl that just
happened to be with you and open the
door.
>> Yeah.
>> She's the one
she's goes to [ __ ] prison. She'd be
in there going, "I didn't do it. He did
it." And he'd be like,
>> "Yeah, he'd be doing the
>> I walked."
>> You've been kind of that Indian
>> belly dancing
ting all the little bells on them.
>> I don't know how they do it. I don't
think the guys dance. The guys dance,
but they're usually like hugging arms
with other, right? And they kind of
dance in a circle. They go around. Um,
>> let us know in the comments. Let us know
in the comments.
>> Do Indian men dance?
>> Do they dance?
>> Oh, I'm sure they dance.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, they like
>> that's still I see the woman like that.
You saying the men do the
>> the men do it?
>> Yeah.
>> Heterosexual male Indians.
>> I didn't say heterosexual.
>> Oh, okay. Guys, let us know in the
comments how Indian men dance.
>> Yeah, there you go.
>> And of course, hype the video, like it,
subscribe to it.
>> If you guys are interested in how many
of you are ready for the Patreon? That's
the question we need to start putting
out there.
>> Also, I want to know personally, let us
know what you think of the new studio.
>> New studio.
>> New studio.
>> Yes. And how much would you like to pay
for Patreon? $8 a month or $12 a month?
>> I like giving them two choices. As if
zero isn't a choice. You only have two
choices, eight or 12. That's nice. I
like that. You never give too many
people too many choices either.
>> You know, it's always
>> you have two options. You have eight
dollars if you're like whatever. Kind of
cool. 12 if you're the family.
>> You know, a good salesman will say,
"Which one what what are the two you
like out of these three?" And they'll
go, "Which is the one you like the
least?" And they'll go, "I don't like
that one." Oh, okay. So, out of these
two,
>> you're like, "Fuck, I don't want any of
them."
>> Which two? Yeah. Which which which one
do you like best? I think they're
probably that one. Oh, okay. We'll go
ahead and ring you up.
>> Oh, that was smooth, dude. And you're in
front of your girl.
>> Get these. Pack these up.
>> Really? If you're really smart, you ask
the girl, "Which one of these do you
like? Which one of these?" Okay. So,
he'll be getting these.
>> Yeah.
>> And And she's like, "Yeah, those are the
ones he'll get." Okay. And the guy is
just sitting there like, "Fuck. What? I
got to tell the the salesman no. And I
got to tell my [ __ ] wife no." Boy, it
looks bad for you. It looks bad for you.
>> Looks bad for you, dude. Kind of like it
looked bad for Ross until he
>> What do you think he said when he walked
in the house? Why were you in there? Why
were you in the car so long?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Uh,
no. It's nothing.
>> Just guy and guy talk.
>> Just talking [ __ ] you know. You know.
>> Yeah, guys are.
>> She's like, "Right, right. You didn't
give me up, did you?" No. No. I didn't
tell him it was all your idea. I
wouldn't do that, baby. as he's as he's
recording on his phone.
>> I was gonna say I wouldn't do that,
sweetie. [laughter]
>> Don't Don't talk to
>> Don't talk to cops, guys. Don't do it.
Uh, that's all we got.
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Hit the subscribe button. Please share
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