These guys are born predators. These
guys pull up, they hop out, they flash
police badges, and then they say, "Get
in the car." So now there's seven bodies
they found in less than a month, dude.
On the hillside overlooking Los Angeles,
one of the most important cities in the
United States. Today, we're going to be
talking about a classic in serial
killing lore from the city that I love,
my adopted home, Los Angeles,
California. Who we talking about,
Matthew?
>> The Hillside Stranglers.
>> Stranglers. Many people think it's just
the Hillside Strangler. That's what I
grew up hearing about these guys. And
it's it's two people. It's cousins. One
of the sickest, most twisted, most
bizarre way to start serial killing is
your older cousin says, "Hey, you know
what we should do?
>> I got an idea."
>> Yeah.
>> I got an idea.
>> You guys are sitting around drinking
beers, drinking a couple of bruskies.
>> Hear me out. Hear me out. What are we
going to do this summer? I'm looking for
a job. H Okay, this is kind of a job. It
doesn't pay, but boy are you going to
get a thrill out of it. And then he
takes it and [ __ ] tries to outdo you.
The little cousin who got brought in, he
goes even harder.
>> Yeah,
>> he created a monster. And he's really
the one who spills his guts and as
you'll see,
>> the whole thing falls apart. So, the
Hillside Strangler murders take place at
the end of 1977, the beginning of 1978
in Los Angeles, East Los Angeles. By the
way, much like Richard Ramirez, aka the
Nightstalker. You know, we always talk
about branding on this show, right? To
go down in the the annals of serial
killing history, it's vital. It's it's
it's invaluable to have a good brand,
right?
>> Yeah. Absolutely. the Nightstalker. Not
necessarily a remarkable serial killer.
He did kill a lot of people, but you
know, it was nothing like uh like a dawn
or he didn't get away with it like for
years like Israel Keys. He didn't put up
numbers like Samuel Little. Yeah.
>> But the Nightstalker.
>> Yeah. But once again, that's Samuel
Little is a perfect example of that. He
doesn't have a good he doesn't have
>> he doesn't have a good brand.
>> No.
>> Exactly.
>> No. And and what is it? Over 90 over 90
bodies. You ask anybody and they're
like, "Who's that?" But if you say Ted
Bundy, they're like, "Oh, I know Ted
Bundy."
>> I know Ted. Ted got his own Netflix
special, right? Why Why can't say his
own? Well, [ __ ] You ain't have a good
brand
>> branding.
>> So, and just like California, we know
about branding. We do
>> the night the the hillside strangler. I
mean, it just hits.
>> Yeah.
>> It's just we have better people at our
newspapers and in our media giving the
better names. you know, we are just, you
know, we're coastal elites. It is what
it is. So, the two murderers, Angelo
Bono and his younger cousin, Kenneth
Biani. All right, so this is uh we're
going to make a lot of Italian
stereotypes come true on this episode,
okay? Because it turns out nothing is
really wrong with these guys. I mean,
they did grow up in like kind of weward
homes. They weren't physically abused.
They weren't abused. They didn't grow up
in gangs. They're just dumb upstate New
York Italians. Okay, shout out to
Rochester, New York. Fine, fine people
out of Rochester. Angelo Bono is born in
October 5th, 1934. This is an old guy.
Yeah. In Rochester, New York. Uh and
moves to Glendale, California with his
family at the age of five. So, he grows
up uh in Glendale, which is now a hive
of Armenians. All the Armenians and the
Iranians in LA live there now. Uh but
back in the day it was just a leafy
little suburb right outside of Los
Angeles on the east side. Uh his parents
are Italian immigrants who divorced at a
young age. Uh but this was just a bad
kid. These are just bad seeds, right?
These are just evil people that probably
needed to be in prison long before they
ever finally started killing. Uh and
from an early age, Bono had sexual
aggression. Uh reportedly bragged about
assaulting girls as a teenager. But
again, this is like the 40s and the '50s
where you'd go away for like you'd get
10 years and you'd be out in a year and
a half.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So all the over
>> It was a good time. Those was a good
time to be a criminal, right?
>> Oh, a fantastic time. And the and the
reason that crimes are dealt with so
harshly now and that we do have some
some would argue over prosecution in
this country now is because we
underprosecuted for generations, right?
So the pendulum, we can never just like
kind of meet in the middle. The
pendulum's always swinging from one
extreme to the next, much like our
politics. Um, so yeah, so he's he's a
car thief. So this guy, they fancy
themselves. And by the way, these are if
they had grown up in New York City or
Buffalo, they these guys would have been
like
>> mobsters.
>> Mobsters. They would have been like
>> associates at least, right?
>> At least associates. They would have
been doing hits for the mob. like the
mob. They would never have allowed these
guys probably to be made, but they would
have been using them to do the grunt
work to to kill to to take charges for
for the bosses. Um, but he Angelo Bono
does kind of fancy himself somewhat of a
sophisticated criminal. He starts
stealing cars when he's a teenager. Uh,
and he actually develops a pretty decent
car theft ring where he's actually
making money. Okay, so he's in and out
of prison. He's starting his criminal
career when his younger cousin Kenneth
Bianci is born. He's born in May of
1951, also in Rochester. Uh, and that's
Bono's younger cousin. Bianci is given
up from a young age. He's uh he goes to
live as an infant with his who does he
go to live with?
>> Well, he's a he's adopted. Like he's
adopted into the family. They're
actually not blood relatives.
>> Oh, I didn't know that. Okay.
>> So, he's adopted in the family.
>> Got it. Okay. Matter of fact, I've even
seen some of the things where they've
said his adopted cousin. So that's why I
looked into I was like adopted c are
they not really cousins? Then I realized
oh I see he was the one of them was
adopted as a baby.
>> I see. But they're still cousins.
>> Yeah. That's why you got to be careful
about adopting man.
>> Sometimes you get a bad one.
>> It's like going to the bargain bin.
Remember when you used to go to
Blockbuster and you see just reach your
hand down. It be like the dollar DVDs
and you just you're picking one out but
you don't know.
>> You don't know what's what's going to be
playing when you put it into the [ __ ]
DVD player. My bo my brother and two
sisters were adopted. You're absolutely
right. Like there was there was my one
sister Helen, she's great. And then the
other two, you know, you don't always
get a you always get sometimes you get a
bad egg is what my mom used to say.
Sometimes you get a bad egg.
>> Right. Right. And so they
>> we were sitting in federal prison when
she said that. And I was like, are we
talking about Mark?
>> Wait, wait. So hold on. So it was you
and your Mark and your sister. And Yeah.
So both of you, she had two two bad
eggs.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was my I was born my mom
was 40. She went in for a hysterctomy
and they found out she was pregnant.
>> Wow.
>> Then I was because she wasn't supposed
to be able to get pregnant. They had
already adopted these other kids because
she couldn't get pregnant,
>> right? And she was like, "Yeah, I'm
done. Take my take my uterus out."
>> Back then when you were like 40 in the
when you're roughly 40, that's back then
that was like a standard. That's back in
the in the 60s and 70s. That's just what
they did. They were like, "Oh yeah, it
helps with menopause." And this like
that just they did, you know, like they
don't do it now. Now they're like
>> move your uterus like a standard thing.
Let's go ahead and just chop this up.
Like, are you out of your [ __ ] mind?
>> Doctor, my wife's being a [ __ ]
>> Can we Can we cut this uterus thing?
It's going bad.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, the 60s. Yes. No, I mean, that's and
and especially when you're adopting
people from upstate New York, you know,
again, uh these these are just, you
know, this is a rural area. This is a
this is a de-industrialized area. This
is
>> a lot of chemicals. Bad eggs.
>> That's right. This is what Chris Hedges
calls a sacrifice zone. So this these
are the first places uh to get
de-industrialized when we started
outsourcing jobs. These are always
ground zero for drug crisis. And then
they're Italian. So you're going to
adopt a kid from th from those
conditions. You're an Italian American.
>> Uh you know, you're kind of setting
yourself up. So from a young age, Bianci
is known to be a compulsive elaborate
liar. So, his Bono is aggressive, a a
predator, a predator, and more
criminal-minded. Uh, Bianci is a liar.
>> Yeah,
>> he's a liar. And he's and he puts on,
you know, like like many serial killers,
he puts on facades.
>> Yeah, he's like a he's a con man. We'll
get to the point where did Did you read
the part where he
>> I [ __ ] love this part.
>> Yeah, it's insane.
>> Sorry. It's something you've got to be
the confidence to try and pull this off.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Pretty amazing. It's something
else. Uh, so Bianc Bianci struggled to
hold together a stable identity. He did
end up marrying his high school
sweetheart Brenda. Women will marry I
mean you just you promised to marry them
and that's enough for women.
>> He's got a job. No, he didn't even have
a job. This guy couldn't even become a
cop in LA.
>> Oh, he was handsome.
>> You know how stupid you have to be? Was
he handsome? He was kind of handsome.
Both of these guys were kind of
handsome.
>> No, not the older guy was not handsome.
He looked like a ser serial killer. They
actually I watched an interview where
they were like, "No, he looked like a
serial killer. The other guy was a
good-looking guy."
>> Let's pop up a side by side here and
we'll decide.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> hillside stranglers.
>> He uh You're right. But these guys were
of course being the uh
>> See, come on.
>> Well, he's old then,
>> guys. Dude, people aged like [ __ ] back
then. That guy's only 43 years old. That
guy's not good looking.
>> Oh, Bono is not good looking, bro.
>> Okay, in comparison. No, sure he is.
He's got kind of a Magnum PI look.
>> Oh, look at that. the big nose.
>> Oh, he's crying.
>> Oh, he's got the
>> Ah, stop crying, you [ __ ] See, I I like
the guys that just walk through their
sentences like, "Yeah, I did that."
>> Yeah,
>> you know, at least have some [ __ ]
dignity. But you're right, Bianci was
kind of a good-looking guy, uh, but dumb
as a [ __ ] box of rocks. Just good for
nothing. I don't want to jump ahead
here, but he couldn't even he applied.
>> He took the test to become an LAPD cop
like three times. Couldn't pass. They
give these jobs to barely literate
people even to this day, right? They
give it they give them to immigrants who
don't even speak English. Like here's a
here's a gun and a badge and all the
power to use it and all the power of the
laws behind you. This guy, he was like a
reserve.
>> Yeah.
>> The LAPD, God bless them, they have it's
like the Army Reserve. Like you can step
in on weekends. We're not going to give
you a gun, but you can do ride along
>> and you don't get paid. You don't get
paid.
>> You don't get paid. Like if there's
riots, we call you to, you know, help
put up the barricades or something,
right?
>> Hey, if the city runs into a budget
crisis and we need a guy to go out and
bust some heads, we'll we'll maybe call
you up.
>> Yeah.
>> It's basically a way of saying, "We know
you're a psychopath, cuz most cops are
most cops are latent spousal abusers and
alcoholics, but we'd rather we don't
want to deny you again and have you go
out and do something crazy. Join the
reserve." Yeah. Yeah. It's a [ __ ]
trophy for losers. It's like a You know
what do they call it? What kind of
trophy?
>> A participation.
>> A participation trophy. California's
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obtained uh fake psychology credentials.
>> Yeah, that's what he he he's that's what
he he applies for a job when he gets to
California, applies for a job with a
real psychiatrist and he become and they
hire him and he's seeing patients cuz
this guy's so busy he needs another
psychiatrist. So, he comes in with his
credentials. It's all fake. Says he's a
psychiatrist. Says he got his degree in
some some college. Here's my
certificate, everything. And they hire
him. He starts seeing patients. You're
you're a [ __ ] your fake doctor now.
Your psychiatrist is a serial killer.
>> He's a fake cop and he's a fake doctor.
This is crazy.
>> But it's because of the cop thing
because he is doing ride alongs. He is
talking to cops. He does understand
procedure. They even have classes they
send these guys to. So what is it? So he
ends up getting like handcuffs. Like he
understands the authority of being able
to say, "I'm a police officer." So if he
pulls up and he says, "Hey." and he
flashes a badge and says, "Hey, I'm with
the LAPD. Can I talk to you for a
second?"
>> Yeah.
>> You know, whatever. Like, this is how
some of these girls once even they even
use it once,
>> well, we can talk about it when it
happens, but but once that happened,
once
>> once the paper starts talking about the
murders and the hill the hillside
strangler murders, they're driving
around to to girls at this point. Flash
the badge. Are you walking home? Hop in.
We'll take you home. Look, the the
strangler, we don't know what's going
on. We don't want you walking by
yourself. Absolutely. She gets in the
[ __ ] back,
>> right? Can you imagine?
>> This is when people did that.
>> Oh, thank God. You're saving me from the
strangler.
>> Yeah.
>> You're going to drive me home. Yeah.
It's about three blocks. No problem. Hop
in.
>> Oh, you just bought you just passed by
my house.
>> Where you guys going?
>> We got something else in mind.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Again, different time. Cops
should just open up the Hey, can can I
give you a ride home?
>> No the [ __ ] you can.
>> Yeah.
>> And and I'm going to take my phone out
and try that one now. No, I'm going to
start filming you and
>> we're going live on Facebook right now.
>> Right. Right. Right. [ __ ] now. It is
part of the problem and you know, a lot
of this is, you know, just the tyranny
of the government. I don't want want to
put it on the citizens too much, but
part of the reason that we have such a
heavily surveiled society now is because
of all this [ __ ] that we did that we
as citizens did for years. We cops
either fake cops or real cops would
kidnap women, right? They would plant
they would shoot people, unarmed people
and then they would plant drugs on them,
right? Uh
>> still happens.
>> Whatever whatever inmates would get
[ __ ] stabbed to death uh in front of,
you know, in broad daylight in the
middle of the day room and nobody would
see anything. So it's like we got to
have cameras, guys. We unfortunately we
we everybody has to be cuz nobody we
live in a trustless society and that's
how you can see a country that is
breaking down is a country where nobody
trusts anybody and uh anyways so that's
that's just really what it is. By the
way before we move out to California
before uh Bianci joins his older cousin
Angelo out in California.
>> Yeah. Angelo moves out there starts a
business. It's
>> he's starting an upholstery business. So
he does try to go he does go straight
for a little while.
>> Yeah. Well, he the the car ring thing is
not it's not a long-term plan,
>> right? Uh so he but he loves cars
obviously.
>> Italians love working on their cars on
Saturdays. You know what I mean? So he's
got he's got a car upholstery business
where he's meeting a lot of people and
you know he learns kind of he's
successful at it. Yeah. So it's it's the
one bright spot in an otherwise
completely failed life between both
these guys. Um investigators. Did you
hear about this? Speculate that there
was a possible connection to Bianci in
uh the Alphabet murders in Rochester,
which happened between 1971 and 73. All
unsolved.
>> No.
>> Yeah. So now I don't really believe it
because there's strong evidence that
shows that Bono got Bianci into killing.
Like it was it was a buildup to it,
right? So I I think I don't think Bianci
would have taken it on himself to to be
a murderer without his cousin,
>> right?
>> So I don't know. I don't know. But it's
interesting. So Bianci gets out to LA in
January of 1976 seeking a fresh start,
right? This is where you go. You do you
come to California. That's why there's
so many weirdos there cuz everybody is
fleeing there.
>> You know who's like that? Is is is also
Las Vegas.
>> Really
>> so desperate. Everybody looks so
desperate. ever walked through walk
through a casino and kind of look at the
or even the people on the street like
they look
>> dead.
>> They do they look just desperate like
it's it's so like this the it's such a
>> for such for so many lights and such you
know extravagant buildings and
everything like the people that you
>> the worst people you'll ever meet are in
Las Vegas.
>> Do they feel like it it's like it's soul
draining just talking to these guys.
>> I would rather have I would rather see
soul draining though because that's what
should happen. You're a gambling addict.
You you're you just bet your kids
college tuition on a game of blackjack.
You should look awful. What actually
scares me more is when I go to Vegas and
I see a family there with their
children. That kills me. We talked about
this.
>> And they have big tall sugary drinks and
the dad's got a big beer in like a
swirly plastic cup and you're just like,
"This is child abuse."
>> Yeah.
>> This is child abuse.
>> The kids are standing there while dad
dad's [ __ ] hitting the button and
>> Yep.
They're sitting there going, "Mom and
dad are standing on the side.
>> We're here to have we're here to, you
know, we want to take the kids to do
something special that they'll
remember."
>> Yeah. We're going to go see the We're
going to do the helic we're going to do
the uh we're going to do a helicopter
and we're going to do that uh we're
going to New York New York. We're going
to ride the roller coaster. We'll do the
roller coaster. A couple more games
>> instead of taking your kids to New York
City, which you could probably do for
the money that you blow in Vegas. You
could probably take your kids to
Manhattan cheaper. Uh no, I want to go
to New York. New York. and I want to pay
$21 for a slice of end pizza that's been
sitting under a heat lamp. Okay, that's
what I want to do. So, do not I Los
Angeles for all its faults and there are
nightmare areas and I acknowledge that
and I acknowledge that it is a society
that's kind of falling apart from the
corruption. Uh, do not compare it to Las
Vegas. Las Vegas is where the soul goes
to die. Los Angeles is where your dreams
go to die. That's kind of how I put it.
It's desperate, desperate people that
are trying to be in show business or
just want a fresh start. Everybody's
kind of acting.
>> Yeah.
>> Or they're gamblers that that are there
thinking they're going to hit it big.
Like you're not going to hit it big.
>> But but well gambling is show business
was gambling cuz to to become a movie
star is like hitting the lottery. So
you're right though. There is a similar
des to the desperation is palpable in
both places. Absolutely. Um but
especially from the east coast, people
people relocate to LA. you can kind of
get lost. You can be you could be a new
person, right?
>> Right.
>> Uh so he tries to do that. He he moves
in with his cousin.
>> Bianci moves in with his older cousin,
Angela Bono. Um and of course, nothing
good will ever happen when you put two
Italian Americans together in the same
room and you get him drinking beer,
>> a pathological liar. Yeah.
>> And and a car thief.
>> You got you got a thief and a and a
predator. You have a you have a you have
a sex predator, a guy who's beaten every
woman he's been with. That's this is a
documented fact,
>> right? I know it's a negative stereotype
or whatever, but this is this is fact.
And then you've got Yeah. Then you've
got a pathological liar who wants to be
a cop
>> and this is this is kind of what you
get. It's a fascinating
buildup.
>> Yeah. Because I, you know, like
>> neither neither one one of them have a
good neither have a good uh uh
appreciation of women either, by the
way.
>> No, they don't. They don't. Which is
sad. Yeah.
>> Women are perfect in many ways.
>> Yeah. So,
>> not always. They got hair above their
lip, [ __ ] fart in their sleep.
>> A
>> they uh
>> Come on.
>> They're far from perfect, but they're
they're like flowers, dude. I'm so
against hurting women. I really am. I
just want to put that on record. I don't
know how you feel about this, but I'm
going to take a stand right now and say
I am against the murder of women. Hey,
if if that makes me if I if that makes
me a sacrificial lamb, if that makes me
a communist, so be it. I am against the
rape, torture, and murder of women.
Matt, I don't
>> Look, I I I respect your opinion either
way.
>> Don't you love Let me think about Don't
you love those guys that take stands
against
>> Yeah.
>> obviously [ __ ]
>> right.
>> Okay. So, you've got Bianci and Bono
living together in this, you know, small
Highland Park or Glendale neighborhood.
They start becoming they become pimps.
They start running a small prostitution.
>> That's right. It starts Yeah. It starts
kind of small. They get a couple of
girls, right? Two girls.
>> Yeah. And it's and I don't know where
Bono gets the idea, but clearly the
hatred of women and and sexual desire
and depravity, sexual depravity
uh has been with him all of his life.
So, it's kind of the next step is to be
like a really mean [ __ ] pimp, you
know? It's kind of one of the lowest
things you can do.
>> I've never understood how these guys
talk these women into doing this. I just
don't have I don't guess I don't have
game.
>> I don't have mouthpiece like that. Well,
you had pimp and Ken on. That guy, that
guy's [ __ ] smooth. Yeah. Also,
>> that that kind of pimping was a little
different. A lot of times the women
approached them, like the cool black
guys in the 70s and ' 80s, a lot of
times the women approached them and were
like, "Will you pimp? Will you pimp me?"
>> How?
>> Because they're prostitutes and they
need protection. They need organization
and then they take full advantage of
that, you know.
How like like how what kind of mental
problems do you have to have to to you
know one want to be a pimp or and two
want to be a prostitute that's being
that's being pimped? Why would you just
be if you're hot why would you just be
an independent
>> prozzy? Why do I need you?
>> That's I I just don't understand that.
He tried to explain it to me. He never
he didn't do a very good job.
>> He explained it like a pimp. Yeah. He
said a lot of things and nothing at the
same time. They're like politicians.
>> Yeah. And in the end you got nowhere and
you got wor and said let's move on.
>> Yeah. You know, like here's the
situation. Here's the situation. The
chick want to get some money, but she
can't get no money without the honey.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He
>> you know, she want to be my little snow
bunny. That like they're basically like
rapping to you.
>> Yeah. It's like this long rhyme
explanation that goes nowhere. And then
I'm like, "Oh, let's move on." He's not
going to answer the question.
>> It's like spoken word poetry.
>> What's amazing about Pimp and Ken, by
the way, is how popular I don't know who
he is. I didn't know who he is.
>> Oh, yeah. I knew who he was immediately.
>> Yeah. And and I have my buddy Pete when
I told him, he said, "Hey," he said,
"Hey, who'd you interview today?" I
said, I said, "Well, I interviewed this
[ __ ] guy. He's a pimp." He said, "Oh,
a pimp." And I'm Yeah. He goes, "What's
his name?" I go, "Pimping." He goes,
"Are you [ __ ] serious?"
>> And I go, "You, yeah, why?" He goes, "I
read his book." Yes,
>> I read his book. I'm like, "His book
sold millions of copies." He when he
said that, I thought it was a joke. I
thought, "Okay, you know how they'll the
black guys will exaggerate. A lot of
people exaggerate. They'll always like,
oh, I made million. I mean, tons of And
it's like, okay, sure you did.
>> It did sell. He was [ __ ] hu. I later
checked it out and I was like,
>> "Holy sh" and Pete was like, "Bro, this
guy's like a New York Times bestseller."
>> Yeah, literally. No, he wrote like he
got book deals after that to write like
a a follow-up. He made millions of
dollars as an author. Go figure. A pimp
to an author. So, yeah. I mean,
>> well, he's teaching the game.
>> He's teaching the game. I'm trying to
give you the game, man. M man can use
this as a practical way to keep to keep
to have a happy marriage. That's how he
sells it. A happy marriage. Is that what
you really just Is that what you're
trying to kick?
>> From hoe to housewife.
>> Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Never heard
that.
>> You never heard that? Oh, come on.
You've heard that?
>> Of course I have. There's a famous Dr.
Dre song. Can't make a hoe a housewife.
>> Oh, is it? See, I didn't know that.
>> Yeah. I would like to have a hoe as a
housewife, personally.
>> Hey, I was I always like the uh the
advice that grandmothers would give
their their daughters, like be a be a
lady in public and be a hoe in the
bedroom.
>> Yes. Nice.
>> Was that what grand was that what
grandmothers would tell their
grandchildren? Well, Norwegian
grandmothers.
>> Ah, yeah.
>> Yeah. Norwegian women are [ __ ] hot. I
would like to marry a former Norwegian
hoe.
>> Yeah. They're very in public. They're
very
>> um
Yes.
>> They're very proper, right?
>> But I've heard when the doors closed.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Grandma taught you that,
>> man. Man. Man, guys, next week will be
better. Just hang in there. Why should
we have to make every episode a banger?
I feel like we've done six, seven, eight
straight.
>> This one we just we missed the target.
>> And these guys are good, too. These guys
>> Yeah, these are guys are good. They
deserve a better the Bono and Bianci
deserve a better presentation than what
we're giving them. But unfortunately, we
got to we got a time commitment. So, we
got to get to it.
>> Let's keep doing this.
>> So, but these guys are not good pro.
These guys are not good pimps. If there
ever was a good pimp,
>> no, they I think they they either kill
the one of the girls or they they lose
control fairly quickly.
>> Yes. So, They're already beating these
women, right? They're not using any kind
of charm. They're not using any kind of
manipulation. They're no pimp and cat.
>> So,
>> yes, they were not good pimps. Uh, and
in fact, their pimping arrangement fell
through, failed. The girls ran off on
them because we were like, "You guys are
just beating us. We don't want to do
this anymore.
>> We're giving your money. We're out here
banging dudes and we're giving you the
money
>> only for you guys to be dicks." You
could a little gratitude.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like, buy me like a new like high
heels, pumps, whatever. You're just
>> Get my nails done.
>> Right. you're just a dick. So, they ran
off and according to investigators, this
is what
>> sparked the killing spree. Okay. I'm not
sure how. I think
>> I think maybe it just it enraged them.
So, like these guys hate women and
they're already violent. They're already
uh at least in Bono's case, uh sexual
deviants, predators. Uh and I think
maybe this just this just pushed them
over the edge. Yeah, [ __ ] Let's kill a
woman. We can't pimp a woman. We can't
love a woman. We can't stay married to a
woman. Uh we can't even pimp a woman.
But we can beat a woman and then kill a
woman. That's kind of the natural
progression in their mind. Beginning in
October 77.
And you know how it happened. You know,
Biance Bianci Biani uh he says he was
they were they were just sitting around
drinking bruskies.
>> Okay. And he goes, "You know what we
could do?
>> We could choke a woman as we're having
an orgasm." That's right.
>> We could we could choke a woman to
death.
>> He said, "I'd like to do that."
>> He said, "Snap,
>> we should do that,
>> dude. We should totally do that.
>> That's We should have done that before
them two hoes our two hoes ran off.
>> That's [ __ ] First of all, that's an
insane thing to float cuz what if a guy
says what?
>> Yeah, you're going to have to leave.
>> Huh? Huh? No. No. No. No. Nothing.
Nothing, man. I didn't say that. No, I
was just saying people People do that.
People do it, do they?
>> Do they?
>> Yeah. You're going to have to You're
going to have to You can't stay here
anymore cuz
>> Right. That's
>> Instead,
>> Oh, it landed. Oh, it landed. That was a
home run.
>> I like where your head's at.
>> It's like we're [ __ ] brothers, man. I
know you're only my cousin, but it's
like we're [ __ ] It's like we're
connected telepathically. Yeah.
>> So, uh Bianci and Bono begin posing as
undercover police officers. Now,
>> obviously, I'm sure we know whose idea
that was.
>> Of course,
>> got handcuffs. He's got himself a little
badge.
>> Yeah, they don't have the light on top
of the car, but I think they pose as
like detectives. They pose as
undercovers,
>> but um it's it's uh Bono, is it? Yeah.
Yeah. No, it's it's
>> the cop. Yeah. Yeah. Um it's uh how do
you say?
>> Come on, you got it, man. Bono.
>> Bono. Sorry, it's Bono. Bono actually
had a vehicle that looked a lot like the
cop cars. doesn't have the light and
everything, but it's got a different
color. Um the the not the hood, the
[ __ ] top of the car is like white.
The rest of the car is like a dark blue
or black. And so they said, "No, if it
was pulling up on you, you think it's
it's exactly almost exactly actually
>> it's like a Capri or something or very
similar to what the police were driving
undercover cars. Right.
>> So, they pull up, two guys, two grown
middle-aged men together, pull up, step
out, flash a bag, which a badge, which
you don't [ __ ] know what it is, and
say, "Can I speak? Can I let me talk to
you over here real quick? LAPD,
>> come here." You're going to be like,
"Oh, uh, yeah, it seems official."
>> And that was common, too. Especially
like Hollywood Boulevard, if you if
you're from LA, if you know LA, the East
Hollywood, the Hollywood Boulevard strip
has always and to this day has been a CD
super CD area. That's the where the host
role was. So there were there were
legitimately undercover cops always in
and out of those neighborhoods, right?
So I think it was easy for them to
present themselves that way. And yeah,
they two Italian guys with mustaches and
[ __ ] leather jackets. It's like a
scene out of a movie like, "Oh, I guess
I I got I got to go.
>> He's got me." And these are prostitutes.
Most of them they're prostitutes or
they're
>> uh at the beginning anyways or they're,
you know,
>> well, they're bodies at the end.
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry.
>> Awesome. That was a good one, Matt.
Thank you.
>> I would have laughed if I not I wasn't
so tired. Um, okay. They are they start
out as women.
>> They end up victims. Go ahead.
>> Uh, at the beginning the the victims are
uh prostitutes, but then you're going to
see it's just young women. It's really
just indiscriminate killing of young
women.
>> Well, initially it's probably very easy
to get the prostitute to get in your
car, right? But then once it hits the
newspapers, any woman you pull up and
flash a badge there, you know, oh, you
could even you they can they will they
would mention, hey, are you walking
home? Yes, officer. Look, go ahead and
get in the car.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Cuz how far do you live? Okay, go
ahead and hop in cuz we're going to And
they get in,
>> right?
>> No problem. I'll hop in.
>> Yeah, of course. You're going to drive
me the next mile and a half? No problem.
Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much. Sure. No
problem. They did have to switch their
strategy up after it came out in the
papers, but let's go through it. Uh,
between October 1977 and February 78
>> is when 10 women at least 10 women and
girls
>> girls horrible. The youngest one was 12.
>> Horrible. Uh, they at least uh 10
victims uh in a spree that terror
terrorized Los Angeles. So, let's go
through these uh let's go through these
murders, shall we? Right. So October
17th, 1977 is when the killing spree
begins. Yolanda Washington was the first
victim. She was a part-time waitress and
a sex worker. She was a young mother and
just doing what she had to do, right?
>> Black chick.
>> Black chick. Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah, I remember that.
>> That's nice to describe a a murder a
brutal murder victim as a chick.
>> I think she was the only black woman.
>> Yeah, the black broad.
>> I think she was the only black woman.
>> Yeah, that poor black woman.
>> She was also Wasn't she young? Was she
young? She was super young, man. She was
[ __ ] like 19 years old.
>> 19 years old. So,
>> she's lured into the killer's vehicle,
taken a Bono's home/upholstery
shop. So, they take her to the
upholstery shop uh and strangle her uh
after her. So, it's really really
brutal. Like, I I'm trust me, I've been
searching for the humor in it. I've
found none. Um her nude body was the
first to be discovered dumped on the
hillside of the Golden State Freeway.
Right. So, if you know anything about
LA, that's uh basically the I that's I5
Golden State Freeway. So, it's there's
big hills. They've got a sign that says
Glendale and it's just facing down on
you've got downtown over here. You've
got Silver Lake over here. Uh and that's
where they start dumping all these
bodies. Hence, they get the moniker the
hillside stranglers, right? Um she is
the first victim and actually the only
victim that there these guys are found
not guilty of if you can believe it or
not. Okay, which is a miscarriage of
justice. Only black girl uh only not
guilty verdict. Anywh who uh that two
weeks later, October 31st, Halloween,
>> right?
>> Wow. Imagine that. The ominousness. Uh
Judith Miller Miller was a runaway. So
again, they're targeting at at first
they're targeting typical, you know,
weward people, sex workers, people that
nobody cares about, right?
>> Isn't she all Isn't the second one also
a Isn't she also a prostitute? She's a
runway.
>> She's run away. She's prostituting
herself. She's quasa homeless. You know,
they they all kind of fall into the same
category. You know, they there's a lot
of crossover here.
>> This I'm sorry. I was going to say I I
think this is the one where they kind of
realize like, hey, they they actually
before they know there's two people,
they already start thinking there's two
people.
>> Well, it's this body specifically
because they they notice when they find
her later that she's placed down onto
the ground. She's not she has no drag
marks,
>> you know, there's no signs of like
somebody that would have been dragged
over the concrete or had their clothes
ripped or anything. So, yeah, it's it's
after her. Uh, Bianke, Bianci, and Bono
used a fake police badge to approach
Miller and abduct her from a street. She
was bound, assaulted, and strangled. Her
body was found on Halloween on Alta
Terrace Drive in Lac Crescent, wrapped
in a car mat with severe liature marks
on her wrist and ankles. Could you
explain to people what ligature marks
are?
people.
>> I really like deep they're deep rubbed
or they're they're basically l not
lacerations because they don't break the
skin but they're bruising. They're thin
bruisings that could be done by
>> from tying somebody up
>> or anybody who ever been in handcuffs or
even you know where you really get them
is the
>> um on your uh ankles because because the
actual the cuffs like lay on and you're
walking and banging into over and over.
So, a lot of guys will actually tuck in,
they'll pull out their pants and their
socks and tuck them up in there. So,
it's
>> but you end up getting these like you'll
get like the the red,
it's usually red or might turn purple
bruising. Like it's a very thin bruise,
but that's what you get. So, it's
obvious. It's not like somebody holding
a
>> not thick. It's not thick. It's very
thin.
>> Yeah. And it's incredibly painful. Like
when you're in handcuffs and you they
put you on a bus for 8 hours, you know,
it's you're bound
>> eat the baloney sandwiches when you're
trying to
>> and you got the black box holding your
holding your hands like this. So many
people are unaware of just the daily
tortures of being inside the beast.
>> Even if you have a and that you could
have a good incarceration experience and
it's still some of the most misery that
you'll ever experience.
>> Any movement. Yeah. That's why a lot of
these guys are like, I I I can't I don't
want to go I don't want to go back to
court like or I don't want to go
>> I don't want to go to a low. Yeah. Don't
even take me to a a medium even I'd
rather just sit in the penitentiary.
>> Yeah. Cuz even though you think Okay.
Yeah. But it's only in the next state.
It's like you don't understand. I It
might take three or four days of me
being on a bus cuz they they never put
you on a bus and drive you there.
>> Yeah. It's you don't just get a personal
bus service. They have to wait till that
[ __ ] is full. Okay.
>> And then they're driving somewhere pick
Sometimes you'll go in the opposite
direction for four hours. Yeah.
>> Pick up a bunch of guys, drive to
another place where now it's right next
to the prison you were at.
>> Mhm.
>> Drop you off over the night, go through
the process of cuffing you up again,
drive another [ __ ] 6 hours to another
prison. Like it could take three or four
days for what should have been a 6-h
hour drive. It's now 3 days of being in
the bus. Your arm, your hands are
bruised up. I mean, sorry, your ankles
and and wrists are bruised up.
>> Yeah. And you can't And also your you
have to trudge basically. You could fall
over at any time. You have to [ __ ]
trudge over to uh a part of the bus
where it's basically like an open urinal
and you have to figure out how to take
your dick out through the jumpsuit that
they give you cuz you can't even wear
your prison clothes when they're moving
you. And then you have to [ __ ] lean
against it uh with everybody watching
and take a leak. And then you go sit
down on a cement block. That is the the
No seat belts, by the way. No seat
belts. We got seat belts on. The drivers
have seat belts on. But if we roll this
[ __ ] all of you use are dead, right?
So if you got hemorrhoids, if you're
older, man, forget about it.
>> I always managed to get stuck sitting
right by the window, which it it seems
like a good idea. It's like being on a
plane, a long plane flight, and you
think, "Oh, I want to sit by the
window." Well, then you haven't taken a
lot of plane flights cuz that's where
the AC blows out on the bus.
>> So you're literally your arm is frozen.
>> Frozen. Yeah.
>> The whole way. And you're realizing
like, "This is the worst thing ever. I'm
freezing. I can't sleep. I can't lean
against the window because it's frozen.
Yeah, I'm frozen. My arm's frozen. I'm
It's just
>> then you're trying to eat your [ __ ]
sandwich and it's they give you your
bagged lunch and
>> Yeah. People think you go on like a
school bus.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, honey. If only it were the good old
days and you took a nice cushy [ __ ]
Forest Gump school bus. No, sir. It's
basically like taking a Brinks truck.
It's like sitting in a refrigerated
Brinks truck where you're comp almost
hog tied. You're you're to the point
where you can just barely walk. Uh so
anyways, that's what gives you these
lacerations. Poor us.
>> Any uh
>> should have thought about before I was
stealing all that money.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, should have
thought about that when I was running
just a clean drug business. Didn't hurt
anybody. Uh Miller was a runaway. Found
bound assed and strangled. I believe
they they just did it in the car. I'm
not sure that they brought it her back
to uh most of these victims are taken
back to the
>> workshop.
>> The workshop. Uh and they're tied down.
Some of them for hours of
>> some of them for days.
>> Some of them. And then is it I don't
know. I know it's at least one girl.
They actually decide like I don't know
if they're sitting around drinking beers
and they think, "What if we electrocuted
this chick?" That one
>> they they move up to that. So they bring
they bring a girl back and they open up
like uh an electrical panel
>> in in the
>> I thought they wire they took a wire and
wrapped the wire around like one finger.
>> Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. And then
they plug it in or something.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. That's right. That's
right. So, uh,
>> they said her hand is literally it's
just you can see the burn mark from the
the cond from the, uh, uh, the
electricity shooting through her her
body.
>> And it's and of course, this is all
this is all comes after hours of
torture.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, horrible.
>> Horrible. Um, the third victim, again,
this is just six days later, so it's one
after the other after the other. This
victim is uh basically after this they
know they've got a serial killer. Uh
it's Lisa Casten, Alyssa Casten, 21
years old. Oh, by the way, Judith
Miller, that runaway was only 15 years
old.
>> Like I look at this, we're about to do
an episode about a couple of women and
we're going to debate a little bit about
whether they deserve the death penalty.
that this horribly abused woman, crazy,
literally certified crazy woman,
murdered somebody in a very brutal way
and and cut her, it was a pregnant
woman, right? And cut her baby out
>> multiple time there. This isn't one.
This is multiple times.
>> This seems to be this is a thing. This
is like a fetish. This is a category of
true crime.
>> Um, they got the death penalty, though.
And I
>> and they went through with it. And I'm
looking at this and I'm like, you you
you've you tortured,
beat, and kidnapped a 15-year-old. And
they did this and they also did it with
a 12-year-old, and they only got life.
Like, what's this?
>> Well, there's a there's a reason. I
mean, um, the one guy he he Let's Let's
wait till we get there because, you know
what I'm saying? There's a reason.
People don't, you know, people don't
understand that like he they need the
one guy to get the other guy so he gets
a deal
>> and I believe the other guy gets
>> uh not not beyond not Bono is the one
that gets I want to say he gets the
death penalty or he was up for the death
penalty but I don't think that happens
specifically or he gets it but then I
think it gets
>> do they have like a moratorum or
something like that where there's
>> there's a little
possible
>> I think I think what happens is there's
a window of time where the Supreme Court
said it was unconstitutional.
>> That's what it was.
>> Well, that it's just an it's an odd
thing, but it's, you know, it's states
rights. I get it. But it's like
it's the reason people should be against
the death penalty is because you're
leaving it up to emotion-driven humans
to kind of like decide which torture and
murder is less bad. You know what I
mean? And it's the justice system is
imperfect. There's people that got 10
years for drugs and there's people doing
life in prison that got caught with the
same amount of drugs, right? You know,
and it's but uh when you're talking
about the death penalty, it's something
a lot more serious. So anyways, I think
we'll talk about it, but this this seems
to me like a pretty good argument for it
because there's nothing redeeming and
there's nothing there's no mitigating
circumstances either. These guys were
just
>> predators. They're born predators,
right?
That's going to be that's going to be in
the intro. These guys are born
predators. No, let me let me get it
right.
>> These guys are Leave this in.
>> Well, let me look at Let me look really
earnest. These guys are born predators.
Boom. Cold open right there. God, do I
know how to get a sound bite? Am I
[ __ ] Johnny show business or what?
Lisa Casten on November 5th, 6 days
after the murder of 15-year-old Judith
Miller. Casten was a server at a
prominent local restaurant. She was
abducted after finishing her shift and
subjected to torture and strangulation.
Her nude body was found the next day on
a highway embankment.
So, I mean, they're stripping these
girls naked. It's just [ __ ] brutal.
And right after that, investigators
realized they were dealing with a serial
killer. And then the press got a hold of
it and some [ __ ] some aspiring
screenwriter
>> said
>> who knew clickbait. This was, can we be
honest? This was early clickbait. This
was early uh YouTube thumbnail and
titling, right? The hillside. He's
sitting there. He's sitting there. He's
[ __ ] bored. He's got a pencil in his
mouth. He's kind of He's at his little
typewriter. He's daydreaming about like,
"Ah, I hate doing this beat." Blah blah
blah. And then [ __ ] this lands on his
desk and he goes, "His bodies are dumped
where?
>> On the hillside."
>> And they're being they're being killed.
How
>> did they get strangled?
>> Strangulation.
Oh, I think I got I guess these ideas I
just can't stop it. He takes it.
>> He takes his coat, his cup of coffee,
and he rushes out.
>> And he said
>> he rushes into his boss's office and
then he never gets credit for it.
>> The the the He said the mountain
butcher. They said, "You're fired.
>> Get out of here, bro.
>> Get out of here."
>> The the freeway embankment bad guy
>> killer.
>> And then somebody else went,
>> "That's better. It's better." Todd. And
Todd goes, "Hill,
>> I don't know. The Hillside Strangler."
>> OH MY GOD.
>> THE editor's got a pencil in his mouth.
He's a genius.
Get Parker in here. We need a photo.
Uh, and yeah, they wait about five or
six days. You know, they're just cuz
this has got to be, and I hate to be
crude, but this has got to be exhausting
for these guys. You know, killing is
exhausting. And you're you're kidnapping
people. It's adrenaline. You're them for
hours. You're dumping their bodies. You
got to wait about a week. You can't just
you can't just go out the next day.
That's like a bender, you know. But this
is the closest thing to a a murder
bender that we've seen. 4 days later,
Evelyn King, aged 28. This was the
oldest victim. November 9th, 1977, King
was an aspiring actress and the oldest
victim targeted by the duo. She vanished
near a Hollywood apartment building
because her body was hidden in thick
bushes near a free freeway off-ramp and
not found until November 23rd. Was badly
decomposed.
Yeah. Brutal. Now,
after that, 5 days later,
the two children are found, age 12 and
age 14. Now, in any other state, most
states, this is like automatic death
penalty. This is this is like capital
murder. you're you're torturing
and killing a a a child.
>> That's like you'd be you would have been
dead in Florida,
>> Texas,
>> even New York before they had the
moratorum. There's a lot of states
>> uh where you would [ __ ] fry for this,
right? Utah.
>> Um
>> well, in Florida, they don't even have
to die. You you rape 12-year-old in
Florida, they can they can give you the
death penalty.
>> Wow. Wow. And a lot of people would say
that's not playing around.
>> Yeah. Right. And you know, look, you see
how many monsters have been created and
murderers have been created because they
were raised as children that we've
talked about already on this show.
You're like,
>> that's, you know, it's a good deterrent.
It's a good deterrent, though.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, like these people
>> Yeah. It's sad. And I'm sorry. And it's
I'm sorry that happened to you and it's
horrible. It's a horrible situation, but
we can't allow you to walk around in
society. But but what I'm saying is you
have to nip if you're going to nip it in
the bud, right?
>> That's how you nip in the bud,
>> right? But you have to Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely. So, uh
>> you just got to do it quick. You can't
languish. It's got kind of got to be
like, uh and maybe you review it and
then you you got maybe 30 days to review
everything and then you go, "Ah, let's
go ahead and just take care of this."
>> I kind of agree. Like, if you're
actually gonna do it, don't let them sit
for 20 years.
>> Right. That's what bothers me is the the
long appeals process where you have all
these people throwing in their two cents
and then suddenly there's new
information and if had this been known
it's possible. But when you've got some
idiot like um like John Wayne Gayy who
like
>> admits it. He's like I did it. Here's my
house with the bodies in it.
>> Yeah. And here, let me draw you a graph.
I mean, a a of a a map of where each
body is underneath my house and then
tell you about it. And then two, five,
two to five years later, you change your
mind and say, "No, no, I was set up by
the cops." And then it's like, "Okay."
And then it drags out and drags out and
drags out. Next thing you know, it's 15
years, 20 years later, and now you're
executed. To me, there's something even
more sadistic and totalitarian about
leaving a guy in prison just knowing
he's going to die. There's something a
little more torturous even about that.
>> It should just like use them as science
experiments almost like can't we just
inject Well, why can't we just inject
them with like oxy and have them just
fall asleep fairly quickly and then you
can do whatever you want with their
body? I mean, that seems reasonable.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You can, you know, [ __ ] me.
>> You can get pull their eyes out and put
them in somebody else.
>> [ __ ] my mouth. whatever you want to do
as long as you don't do it to somebody
else.
>> You know, I don't know about all that.
Uh did you hear about the guy that gave
his wife or or gave his his mother left
his mother's body to science and then
found out that they had given it to the
military to fire bullets into to see
Yeah. to see how to see.
>> That's [ __ ] hilarious.
>> Horrible. Horrible that you use my
mother as [ __ ]
>> Oh, dude.
>> target practice to determine how bullets
travel through the body. Like, oh,
>> this is why you read the fine print.
Yeah. When you sign your mother over,
>> I thought they were gonna take her
kidneys for God's sake.
>> This is why you read the fine print.
That's [ __ ] crazy. That's crazy.
Can't you get some like Yeah. Get some
child do that.
>> Yeah.
>> Put them up,
>> right? And if you did it quickly,
>> if you did it quickly and you did it on
camera, like you actually pro you
actually uh put it out there
>> and then people started thinking, I
don't want to be one of those guys. Not
just not just do they exe not just was
he he was found guilty.
>> Child was found guilty and was executed
within 10 days
and then they then they they broadcasted
it.
>> They posted it.
>> You know Trump would post that [ __ ]
>> Yeah. I'm already not liking this. You
know it brings out it's
human beings are are animals like that.
The the nature of biology of people
doesn't change. So it is kind of
incumbent. The more violent the
government is whether abroad or at home
the more violent people are going to be.
>> See I would think you I would kind of
think the opposite. The more the more
fearful they are of like oh no no they
will execute you and it's not going to
be 5 to 20 years from now.
>> You don't want the population fearful of
the government. You want the government
fearful of the population as the
founding fathers said. So that kind of I
know we're I know it's fun to talk about
like yeah I would tear him limb from
limb. [ __ ] him.
>> No, I wouldn't do that. I I would try
and be as humane as possible, but I'd
also make it quick. Like you said, I
don't think it's okay that you sit on
for 15 years this guy's waiting to die
while they're going through the process
and the hope that he thinks that he
might get found, you know, he might get
found not guilty. But the truth is, you
know, you are guilty. I think if you if
it's super egregious and you've coped to
it and you say, "Hey, I want to die
ASAP." I think they should let you I
think they should come and just [ __ ]
whatever whatever they do. Whatever they
do. Yeah. Give you some oxy, let you
have a little party, let you overdose,
whatever it is, however you want to do
it. But, uh, I think they should make
the bar way higher for executions, too.
I think they should mostly get rid of
it, but except in cases, you know,
again, that are like egregious as [ __ ]
you know?
>> Not like those are acceptable murderers.
>> Well, yeah. Like one one body I got to
die. Do you know how much murder there
is? It's not fair. There's so many
murderers that are just doing life. Why
do I have to die? Cuz I'm in Texas.
>> Reserved for kind of like the stalking
type things. Like the people that had
like you you thought about this. You
knew that. Not some guy who was in a bar
where the guy mouththed off and he
pushed him and he the other guy pulled a
gun and shot him. Like I don't that guy
doesn't
>> not even for firstdegree murder. Like
I'm plotting on my enemy
>> and I roll up on him and I shoot him.
Like that's what life in prisoner 50
years is for. Like it's got to be in
commission of
>> but in Texas you could like a kid who's
just doing a driveby on a homeboy.
You can get the death penalty. What the
[ __ ] is this? I think you should get the
death penalty for that. I don't have a
problem with that. I don't want this
kid. I don't want to pay for this
[ __ ] kid for the next 40 years or
something like you should you should
know that you can't drive around
shooting people. You can't you you know
>> he was a [ __ ] other he was a gang
member.
>> I know. I know. They don't know.
>> He shot a gang member.
>> I understand. But if if you had too much
time to think about Now it's different
if you're you're both in a McDonald's
parking lot and you get into an
argument.
>> So Matt, so tens of thousands of people
sitting in prison for murder. Should you
all be executed?
>> Tons of bed space we would have. Yeah.
Again, it's a it's just an it's not an
intellectual argument. It's a it's a
cowboy argument. It's a fun argument to
have. But I just want you to again what
James Fishbach sitting across from me,
who hopefully will be governor of
Florida, said, he goes,
there's a place you can go where you'll
never be murdered. You there's no chance
that you have a crime done to you. It's
one place in the world. Do you know
where that is? North Korea. North Korea.
Do you want to live there? No. Of course
you don't. No, but I'm not you're saying
I'm
>> I'm saying that if you if you go out and
you know you want to murder your wife,
>> right,
>> and you plot it and it's you it's
obvious you plotted this whole thing and
then you strangle her to death and then
you go and bury her, dig a hole and bury
it or bury her in the desert. Do you see
what I'm saying? Does everybody say like
like you you had plenty of time to
figure but again that's so what we're
talking about is subjective. So what is
super horrible to me is just regular
horrible to somebody else. So if you're
trying to apply the law equally,
either everybody's got to get it or most
shouldn't get it. You know what I mean?
>> I think that there's I think there's a
difference there. I I think that
>> because now you're playing God now. Now
you're
>> But I'm not. You killed someone. Like
you played God,
>> right? No. No. No. Of course. That's why
you're sitting in prison for that's what
you have prisons for. See, I I I think
that if we're talking about two guys
that pull the guns on each other and
shoot one another, so I'm like I think
that's different. I think that's that's
mut kind of, you know, mutual.
>> Yeah, but that's not even a that's not
even murder, Matt.
>> Right. That's what I'm saying. It's more
like it's
>> so across the board murder. See, you're
already
>> No, no. I'm saying premeditated murder.
Not Not like Not like you and I got into
a fight and I pulled a gun and I shot
you.
>> Some guy owes me a bunch of drug money,
>> right?
>> He's in the game. I'm in the game and I
go over to take care of that.
>> Right. I think you had too much time to
think about it.
>> Of course I had time to think about it.
This is what prison is for, dude.
>> I I hear you. I hear you.
>> You don't want that, bro. You do not
want a fast and loose death penalty.
>> Give me Give me 10 years of it. Then
we'll do we'll we'll look at it again in
10 years. Look at it again in 10 years.
>> And by the way, public opinion is swung
against the death penalty because
they're finding out they [ __ ] Well,
because of DNA, you'll probably never
have that again. That's the good part
about DNA. They used to execute a lot of
innocent people.
>> Yeah. And I also think that because of
of technology, like now you kind of know
like, hey, you know, you're saying, "Oh,
I didn't do it. I Your [ __ ] phone was
there." Well, they got you on the flock
cameras. Your car says you were there.
Like, so it's it's so it's not like it's
like I we think he did it. No. No. We're
100% Even though he's saying he's Oh,
I'm innocent. Stop it. You're not
[ __ ] innocent. You absolutely 100%
were there. There's a [ __ ]
photograph. There's this. I got your
text message between you and your
girlfriend plotting the murder. You're
like, "It's too much. It's too much. You
did it. You killed someone. Then you
lied to the cops and you got caught.
Like, I'm sorry. You don't get to go to
You don't get to spend the rest of your
life watching TV
because most people, thank God, don't
think like you and you have to you have
to vote on it. This is why, you know,
this is why you need this is why they
This is why you have to have juries
deciding on it because judges could
think like you and just say off with his
head. But it's like it's it's not a I
don't think people get to own the
morality of it. You know what I mean?
Like I on principle don't want the
government killing people. It's why I
don't believe in euthanasia. It's why I
don't really it's why I don't believe
that we should fund abortion because
we're supposed to be better than Bianke
and [ __ ] Bono. You know what I mean?
But anyways, these these guys definitely
deserve to die for sure. And I think
they should have got it to be honest
with you. So, uh, Kristen Wckler is the
next victim, age 20, November 20th. Man,
these guys are just [ __ ] These guys
had a busy November, dude. Wckler was an
honor student. Oh, this is where it
really gets sad. Not that it wasn't sad
before, but these
>> Oh, no. The prostitutes, it's not that
it's not nearly as big of a deal as
they're if she's a prostitute, but this
chick's going to contribute to society.
She's got a master's degree.
>> The other girl was a waitress.
>> You know what I You know what I think?
What is the master's degree in? Is it Is
it liberal arts?
>> Feminist studies, man.
>> Yeah. No,
>> women's studies, dude. I took a woman's
studies course in college. My dad found
that out cuz it was an easy credit. Cuz
it was an easy [ __ ] credit. And
everybody was like, "It's an easy A." My
dad was like, "What the [ __ ] am I
[ __ ] paying for that?" I feel like
your dad and I would be friends.
>> They would. THEY [ __ ] WOULD. All my
friends were like, I'm like, I hate my
dad. They're like, dude, I love your
dad. Your dad's right, John. Your dad's
right, and you're a [ __ ] idiot.
Anyways, Wckler was an honor student at
the Arts Center College of Design. So,
she's going to be a designer. That's an
important
>> Oh my god. Like, I have a degree in fine
arts,
>> but you can't say I'll be honest. But if
you were murdered by by by Bono, it
wouldn't be that bad.
>> Listen, I I took ARDAP in in federal
prison and one of the big things was
you're in a big room of 20 people cuz
they break you up and there's likeund
let's sayund 100 people in this one
unit, right?
>> What's ARDAP?
>> It's called uh it's a residential drug
uh uh drug abuse program. So, but I So,
but they break you down in different
groups and I was in my groups like got
20 22 people and and one of the big
things is listen, we're all equal here.
We're all this, we're all that. And
there was this one guy
and I knew him. So, cuz you know, you
get to know everybody so you all kind of
know you jokes around and [ __ ]
>> and you know, listen, this guy was
probably 115 pounds and he'd been
arrested for for probably 40 times. I
mean, it was outrageous. and how he
ended up in federal prison. It's like he
had somebody threw his name on an
indictment for selling
>> Yeah.
>> that he's like a low-level guy and
somehow or another he got scooped up in
it.
>> And we're sitting there and I remember
we're all sitting around and and she's
like, "Everybody needs to, you know, you
know, basically somebody's they're
they're having a conversation." And she
and at some point the the drug treatment
specialist at DTS says, "Everyone needs
to understand that you're and and and
know this that you're not better than
anyone else in this room." And for some
reason, a couple of guys glance at ME
and I thought, "I can't pass this up."
And I go, I said, "Wait a minute now."
And she goes and and she's like, she
said, "What, Mr. Cox?" I go, and I
forget the guy's name because you told
call told call everybody by their last
name. Let's say his last name is, you
know, Smith. And I go, um, I hear you
and I get it. I know. I said, but let's
be honest. I said, I mean, I'm I'm
BETTER THAN SMITH, RIGHT? LIKE, we can
all agree that. Of course, everybody
dies laughing. We can agree. I said,
even Smith, come on, bro. Honestly,
>> Smith's been arrested 40 times for
selling credit.
>> Yeah, exactly. And she's just like, Mr.
C. And everybody's laughing. This is not
funny. This I'm like, come on, Smith.
And he's like, you know, like like
what's the big
CS? This guy, this guy's a lunatic.
>> I know, dude. That's why you're so Yeah,
that's why every you are very lovable,
dude. Cuz you are like the dad where
some of your opinions you're like,
that's just dad, dude. I can't get mad.
>> Let me say the first day of class. The
first day of class, she's talking about
how everybody has to hold one another
accountable. And one of the black guys
is there and he's like, "Yo, I ain't I'm
like, dude, no. I hear about this [ __ ]
I ain't snitching on nobody. I that's
what this is about. I ain't snitching on
nobody because I'm letting know I ain't
snitch on the street. I didn't. And he's
going on and on and he and as he's going
around, you know, talking he we catch
eyes and I go
and he goes I he looks at me. He goes
cuz he's in my old unit so we knew each
other. And he goes he starts laughing
[ __ ] [ __ ]
and I go just just
hear her out. Let's just And he goes and
everybody's like looking like he goes
all right go ahead. And she's, you could
tell she was like, "This [ __ ] guy,
>> he's got these [ __ ] guys under
control." Like this guy. But when we
walked out, I told him, too, I was like,
"Look, what are you doing?
>> Just fake it, bro. You're going to get
kicked out the first [ __ ] day. You
knew what you
>> get a time cut, bro.
>> Right. You think you're going to you're
going to yell and [ __ ] They're going to
change the program. Stop. Calm. Like,
don't."
>> It was kind of sad in those programs to
see cool black guys just like, "Yeah, K.
I got to hold this Mitchell accountable.
He said this was all [ __ ] the other
day. And I'm like, "Yeah, I gotta hold
Williams accountable. He [ __ ] he cut
in line to get a [ __ ] to get a
sandwich." You know what I mean?
>> And then there's Then there's me saying
Jimmy was smoking [ __ ] Jimmy was
smoking [ __ ] K2 and said he don't
need this [ __ ] and he'll give a [ __ ]
about your gear. And they're like, "God
damn,
>> dude.
>> You didn't have to go that far." God,
Cox,
>> between so lucky you didn't go to a
[ __ ] penitentiary, bro. You are so
lucky.
>> Listen, I pulled one guy up in the
meeting aboutund [ __ ] 40 people or
something like that. In the meeting, I
pulled him up. After the meeting, he
goes into the coun into the the the the
[ __ ] person running the the whatever
she is. She's like a PhD into her
[ __ ] thing and says, "Look, I got to
I want to sign out." and and he wanted
he was he had already completed the
program but you could stay in the unit
and be like an orderly because the unit
was clean you got extra privileges it
was a really nice no it wasn't loud like
everybody's on their best behavior but
he goes in he says I got to I got to go
and she's like what do you like I just
can't I I just I I need to go I is it
because the [ __ ] pulled you no it's
it's fine but then he later told his he
later told his roommate when he's
packing his [ __ ] he said uh he goes bro
why are you [ __ ] leaving I'll be
honest with you he said I can't I can't
he goes I can't withstand another pull
up from Cox. And he don't like me. He
said, "And I can't lose the year because
of this [ __ ] guy." He's I got to I
got to get out of here.
>> That's good. That's good on him.
>> Yeah. Oh, no. He knew he knew better. He
was The reason he was trying to get
other people to pull me up. So like
you're he's go and I saw two of his
buddies come to me and tell me he's
coming to us saying he wants us to say
we overheard you plan talking to this
other guy Karina about scams and how
you're going to run a scam together when
you both get out and I'm thinking [ __ ]
like that'll get me kicked out for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's like so he's trying to do that
to me. Well that was a mistake bro get
you.
>> That was a mistake. You think I won't
cut your [ __ ] head clean off?
>> I'll [ __ ] I'm a rat, bro.
>> Absolutely. You don't know what the
depths. I'll make some [ __ ] up. Listen.
And then listen. You know what the
funniest thing is?
>> So, and and keep in mind we're okay cuz
he's still got to be on his best
behavior. So, we would walk by each
other and just glance at each other and
he keep walking. I of course he doesn't
know that I know all this when we get
but he hates me. He's telling everybody
he hates my [ __ ] guts. Guess who my
roommate was when I get to the halfway
house?
>> His name was His name was Duff. I And
Duff, by the way, is like six foot a six
foot four black guy. Massive.
>> Yeah. And I walk in, I go like that. AND
HE GOES, "COX." AND I WAS LIKE, "OH,
THANK GOD." He's like, like it's all
behind us now. You know, he had that
attitude like, "Oh, that was prison.
We're good now."
>> I thought he this guy's going to [ __ ]
beat me to death in the I'm going to die
in a halfway house.
>> Imagine that. Imagine if you survived
all that. All that telling, all that
[ __ ] [ __ ] with black guys, you
know what I mean? And then like you
survived the penitentiary federal prison
and then you get stabbed to death in the
halfway house. Oh my god. Horrible.
Horrible.
>> So, in all seriousness, the Chris
Christina Wexler, the the art student at
the College of Design,
>> they forced their way into her apartment
by posing as police officers. So, these
guys are pulling chicks off the street.
They're making girls get into their car.
They're pulling up to girls' houses.
They're also just going to their
apartments. Okay.
>> They probably watched her. They probably
followed her.
>> Stalked her. All of that. So, they they
force their way in by posing as police
officers. They commit the murder at her
apartment. Uh they spend days like they
spend like a day and a half
>> uh that her obviously choking her, not
killing her yet. They attempted to
inject her with household chemicals and
esphyxiating her with a gas line
connection. So they actually inject her.
They found marks in her. They they were
injecting her with like,
>> you know, dish soap or something like
like a a household product.
>> Uh and then they pulled the gas line uh
from like the stove or something like
that. And and I believe they killed her
that way.
>> Brutal. Absolutely horrifying. Then of
course they finish her off by strangling
her. Her body was found on the hillside
in Glendale. So now there's seven bodies
they found in less than a month. Dude,
this is less than a month. And seven
seven dead naked women tortured uh on
the hillside overlooking Los Angeles,
right? The one of the most important
cities in the United States. So this was
like national news at this point. So
from there they broadcast that over over
the television. They say, "We think the
killers are living in the Glendale
area." And of course they are. So what
do these guys do? They head for the
valley. They find a a whole different
neighborhood unassociated.
>> They said if you took uh um uh D'Angelo,
whatever his name is, not D'Angelo.
[ __ ] what's the what's what's the guy
who does Bianci if they took Bianc's
>> uh his car shop his upholstery shop and
they said you and you drew a line from
each body they said it would look like a
spokes of a wheel like they would go one
here and then AC straight then then you
know five miles this way 5 miles that
way five miles and they it was just bop
they said it looked like a [ __ ] it
was a wheel where they would just look
>> but he's in the middle it's that
geographic area or hunting area
>> they I I don't want to bury the lead but
these guys may have gotten away with it
for decades until DNA because they do
leave what they start finding on these
girls is they find little pieces of
tape, little fibers on their eyelids
>> uh from from being blindfolded with duct
tape,
>> right?
>> So,
you know, why why are you even blindfold
them? Do you see what I'm saying? Like
why to make them innocent? Like like to
make them put them in a in a worse
position like the Cuz the truth is
you're gonna kill them.
>> Yeah.
>> Why am I gonna [ __ ] with blindfold?
Because obviously it's hard to if they
were to get away or like if they're have
tape on them, it's hard for them to
>> identify if they were to get away, I
guess.
>> Well, or or what if at some point she
could jump up and run. Like if she
didn't have she had tape on, she's
blind. She's not going to get very in
the apartment. She's I'm going to be
able to grab her.
>> But if she's got the tape, if she's can
see, she might make it to the door.
>> It might have been tape over the They
definitely tape their mouth.
>> No, no, it's the eyelids. I saw the
thing with the eyelids. It's definitely
the eyelids. So it's got So at some
point they're taking off the tape. It's
leaving residue and it's picking up and
the taped areas are picking up uh fibers
cuz a lot of the there's a lot of fiber
evidence as a result of that. But some
of the fibers coming they know it's
multiple locations cuz some of the girls
have
>> um or it's multiple fibers cuz some of
the girls have fiber that's not
consistent and then other ones have a
lot of consistent files cuz I think one
of the girls they said they said we
found fibers that we didn't find
anywhere else. Right. Yeah. No, that's
correct. So, I I'm not really sure to
answer your question, why why duct tape
their eyes? I think it's I think if
you're if you're kidnapping somebody and
taking them to your place, it's just a
more of a method to beat them down to to
stave off any kind of resistance.
>> Yeah. Maybe they think
>> it's just a torture technique.
>> Yeah. Or or maybe it's like, "Hey, don't
look at me. Don't look at me." Cuz And
if you if they're saying, "Don't look at
me. I don't want you to see me."
In my mind, I'm thinking they don't want
me to look at them because
>> they're going to let me go.
>> They're going to let me go.
>> Right. So, that's another
>> become more compliant.
>> Right. Exactly. Exactly. So, it's it's
highly possible. So, at this time, I
believe these guys have been arrested
before. Do they have any priors? I'm not
sure. Yes, of course. They have child
Yeah. Uh Bono was he's got a huge uh
juvenile record. It's likely that even
if they had stopped killing, they would
have been picked up for something and
then they would have had those fibers in
the system. I think they would have
identified them, but it could have been
decades if they had stopped killing, if
uh, you know, I don't want to bury it,
but if Biane hadn't [ __ ] up at the
end. So,
uh, the eighth murder, Lauren Lauren Ray
Wagner, this is on November 28th. Wagner
was a business school student living
with her parents. This was out in the
valley, so they switched the
neighborhoods. um neighbors actually
witnessed the abduction and heard her
scream. So they pull up as she's like
coming back to her parents house from
school or whatever. Uh it's evening.
>> These guys pull up, they they hop out,
they flash police badges, and then they
say, "Get in the car." She resists. Um
but not good enough. They get her into
the car. She's gone. Her body was found
the next day with severe electrical burn
marks on her palms from torture. So
they're pulling like some [ __ ] CIA
Blackwater
level torture that you do at Guantanamo
Bay on these [ __ ] girls. Like it's
it's insane, dude. Um then they take a
little bit of a break. They take like a
they take a a twoe break for the
holidays, right?
Cuz by the way, one of them is still
married.
>> Yeah, I think
>> don't forget this. Don't forget this.
Bianci is is still married and I want to
say Bono is in a like a committed
relationship. I don't know if you
>> I don't know if you say committed.
>> Well, at least they're not affairs.
>> Yeah, he's
I mean they're not they're not it's
Yeah,
>> that's what the woman would say.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you love her?
>> Maybe. Baby, I strangled her and dumped
her body on the [ __ ] hillside.
>> Baby, they didn't mean anything to me.
>> On the hillside strangler. Okay. Well,
just tell me when you're going to do
this at least. Okay.
>> Did you Did
>> Yeah. What's What
>> did she suck your dick like I did,
>> baby? Her mouth was duct taped.
>> Duct taped.
>> I swear to love her.
Oh my god.
>> I'm delirious.
>> You're going down is what you're doing.
>> That was your joke, Cox. That was your
joke, Cox. Yeah, but you spun you off
into something completely darker.
>> You took it way dark.
>> No, I
did. I did. I lobbed it up, dude. That
was great. You're killing it. December
13th, Kimberly Diane Martin, age 17.
These are such young girls. Martin had
recently joined an escort and a call
girl. Okay. Well, this is different.
She's no business student.
Cox, what are you fond of saying? God,
>> what do you
>> No patriot? Why not?
>> She's no patriot.
>> She's not curing cancer.
>> We didn't lose a doctor.
>> Oh, man. Barton had recently joined an
escort and call girl agency because she
felt it was safer than working the
streets with a serial killer on the
loose. Oh, good.
>> She's the planner.
>> She's taking steps to protect herself
from the serial killers. How ironic is
this, bro? This is God.
>> This is God having a sick sense of
humor.
Ironically, Bianci and Bono placed a
phone call directly to her agency from a
Hollywood location and requested a girl.
Wow. They This is how easy this This is
how brazen they were being.
>> Yeah. The Well,
>> they were like, "We're lazy. We're
[ __ ] lazy driving around, bro. Why
don't you just call an escort service?"
>> Dude, you know how murder traffic during
the holidays in LA is murder.
Murder.
>> Oh, you know what? Let's just [ __ ]
call him up. have her come over here.
They Uber eats the victims. They Ubered
a victim order of o over
Barton was dispatched directly to their
uh trap. They set up a torture chamber.
I don't know if you saw this. It was in
a corner of their house basically where
they had the chair, they had the
electricity set up, they had restraints
like it was a full-on torture chamber.
>> You imagine somebody comes over and
somebody comes over and looks over
there. What's that? said, "Don't don't
that's nothing. Don't worry."
>> Yeah. Did you bring the turkey? Cuz
we're doing [ __ ] we're doing dark
meat this year. Yeah. Great.
>> Oh my god.
>> Her body was dumped in a vacant lot near
Los Angeles City Hall. So, they dumped
her downtown. So, this was one, I think,
one of the only girls who was not
actually dumped on the hillside. Um, but
just crazy crazy brazeness. So, they the
killers took a twomonth break between
the ninth and the 10th and final murder,
right? Okay. They took a two-month break
uh you know, for the holidays, right?
Things are slow after New Year's.
>> Massive. So, there was a massive police
presence.
>> Yeah. There's a huge manhunt. So, now
there's a 100man u task force set up to
try to find these guys.
>> That's probably also why they didn't why
they stopped dumping them on the hill,
right?
>> They have to be watching that basic
area. Has to be covered with cops.
>> Definitely. Definitely. So, they take a
two-month break. On February 17th of the
following year, 1978, Cindy Lee Hudsp,
who was a college student, worked
part-time, crossed paths with the
killers while trying to get her car
serviced.
>> Oh, that's right. So, she it wasn't
service. She actually goes to have
>> she goes to his body shop.
>> Yes. Because uh to have some upholstery
work done on her vehicle.
>> To bonos upholstery shop
>> and he grabs her
>> where it grabs her right there.
>> Right there. I mean, he grabs her, um,
calls a cousin.
>> She's tortured, stuffed into the trunk
of her Dodson, and then driven up to a
steep clip off of the lot, the Angelus
Crest Highway. So, that's further out
beyond where they were dumping the
bodies on the hillside. And then, yeah,
the car is rolled down the hill,
>> right?
>> Wow. These [ __ ] are sick.
Gangster. Now, after that, it's not like
they had a change of heart. It's simply
that Bianci was having problems with his
wife. They were having marital problems.
>> So, I think she had a baby and wanted to
move back to wherever she was from and
>> uh Bellingham, Washington.
>> Yeah. And so,
>> which is a tiny little town in northern
Washington,
>> right? So, she moves back there and then
Bono ends up So, basically, she's gone.
But here's the problem. He stays. He
doesn't go with her right away. He
stays. And then
>> um they end up he he's he starts
>> bragging to people like he's talking to
people about this. He's he goes on the
he goes with the the police. He goes
>> he's doing ride alongs with the with the
task force that's looking for him,
>> right? And he asks he asks the guy the
beat cop. He who he's driving with. He
says, "Hey, can we He actually kind of
>> kind of um convinces him to take him by
where the some of the uh murder sites
were." and he's asking him about them,
what he knows about it. And the guy's
like, "I don't know anything about it."
But like he's like, "I'm I I drive a
[ __ ] I'm a patrolman. I don't know
anything about this." But then I then he
ends up talking to um his cousin
there. There's a whole He's very angry
about that. He's angry because he's
basically kind of bragging to people
about it. He's really wants to do
another one.
>> Yeah.
>> And his cousin wants to take a break and
they get into this huge argument and he
kicks him out. He says, "Get the [ __ ]
out of here." And that's why he moves
with the
>> right to his with his wife in Bellingham
watching.
>> Yeah. He calls her and says, "Hey, hey,
>> baby, he put me out.
>> I I I miss you so much." You know, while
the bus is like sitting at the bus stop,
>> I miss you so much. Can I come and visit
you?
>> Yeah. I'm thinking about leaving this
place even though I have such great
opportunities here. I'm thinking about
leaving because I miss you and the baby
so much.
>> Yeah. He uh it's it's so weird to me
that
you have a falling out over wanting to
do killings.
>> It's just such a weird way to describe
it.
>> Well, his
>> cousin is Bono is a gangster. Bono's
like,
>> "Don't tell anybody. This like it's like
a mafia hit. We never talk about this
[ __ ] Never happened."
>> Right. You know,
>> but he's he's much more street more of a
criminal and more street wise.
>> Yes. He's not the the Bianci is the
liar. He's the con man. Bono is this the
gangster, this the the street wise guy.
>> The the the rift between the two of them
is that Bianci goes on uh he goes on a
ride along with the cops.
>> Yeah. And is prying for information. He
actually tells a woman I don't know if
she's part of the police force or not.
He's like it could be anybody. Could be
me.
>> Yeah.
>> He says that.
>> Right. Right. Yeah. Cuz I think at this
point he's working as a um he's working
as a security guard and he's walking
some girl to her car and he's telling
her like, "Hey, you need to really be
careful." right?
>> Because of the hillside stranglers. And
he's like, "It could be anybody. It
could be I could be a hillside
strangler, so you really need to be
careful." And she's like, "Yeah, I
totally get it." Then he does the ride
along, asks the cop to go take him up.
They actually go up to where they've
dumped some of the bodies and asks him
about what do you know? What do you
know?
>> They have anything.
>> Yeah. And he's like, "I'm a I'm a you
know, I'm a pencil pusher."
>> Yeah. No, he he drives I drive the you
know, I'm I'm a [ __ ] beat cop. Like I
I drive a [ __ ] patrol. I'm a
patroller.
>> A runt. I'm a [ __ ] loser.
>> Like I I'm not a part of the task force.
I don't know anything. Yeah,
>> but because he's basically and he's also
he ends up I want to say I don't know
exactly what the case was, but at some
point
his cousin realizes he's bragging and at
that point they get into this huge
argument. One, you're basically a cop.
You're trying to be a cop. Like
something's not right with you. We're
killing these people. You desperately
want to do more. You're bragging about
it. You're talking about it.
>> He still wants to eventually become a
police officer. So he's seeing the the
writing on the wall.
>> I'm surprised he didn't kill his own
cousin. Well, I think that's actually
what he tells him when he tells him to
get. He said, "You got to get out. You
got to go." He's like, "Or I will kill
you." And he so he leaves at that point.
And he's he's a little bit, you know,
even though
even though the younger cousin convinced
the older cousin to start kind of commit
the murders, he's the older cousin is
the real criminal here, right? Like he's
he's the one who's more dangerous.
>> Yeah.
>> And so I mean they're both dangerous if
you're 115 pound,
>> but he's he's kind of a pro. He's a
professional criminal. I'm surprised he
should have just killed him, right? And
then we may have never heard of these
guys.
>> Um,
>> so Bianci ends up traveling going
calling the wife and going back to with
the with the wife and the kid to
Washington
>> to Bellingham, Washington, where he
takes a job as a security guard.
>> Um, but and presenting himself as a
police officer,
>> right? Oh, really?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, he's lying, telling
everybody he's a cop.
>> He also has had a job in Los Angeles. He
had a job for a while where he was
seeing patients as a psychiatrist, too.
>> I know you said that. This is how long
we've been going.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's But we we skipped it
cuz it was brief. I'm sure I'm sure they
figured it out pretty soon pretty
quickly when he starts snickering and
people are telling him stuff and he's
like, "Are you serious? That's crazy."
My last patient said this, you know,
like he's he's just not that bright.
>> Um he also applies to become a cop in
Bellingham. In January 1979, Bianci
lures two women, 22-year-old Karen
Mandic and 27-year-old Diane Wilder,
both students at Western Washington
University, into a supposed housesitting
job because he's got a child now, or his
wife is about to have a child, right?
>> This is [ __ ] wild. He then brings
them down into the basement, is able to
to get a hold of both of them at the
same time. Somehow tie them up uh and
then and strangles them to death,
leaving their bodies in the trunk of
Mandic's car. The killing born eerie
resemblance of course to the unsolved
Los Angeles murders. Okay. Uh now keep
in mind this is a year later. This is
79. So, this is almost a full year after
their final uh hillside strangler Los
Angeles murder. Cops don't have [ __ ]
>> No. Well, it's funny because the cops in
Washington are pretty sharp because when
they they put it together, they find his
they find his name and address.
>> How did they find that? They went in the
when they go into the girls' houses,
they actually find like she one of the
girls had written down his name and his
everything and they find that, right?
>> And then they realize they they put it
together that these two girls went to
see him and he says he didn't Oh, I
don't I don't even I don't know who that
is. What are you talking about? It's
like
>> so they caught him in a lie.
>> We have your we have your I mean we have
your your phone number and your name
written down. How do you think we found
like they called like he's an idiot?
They bring him anyway when they bring
him in. Um, they see also that he has a
driver's license. He's got a driver's
license from California. And they see
what the address is is actually his
cousin's address,
>> right?
>> So, they connect them very quickly.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> So, they're they put it together.
They're putting it together very
quickly. We have two girls. These this
guy lives close to they they met up with
him. Now, they end up both, you know,
they end up dead after going to see him.
And then he used to live here which is
very close to all these murders. They're
like, "Yeah, we think this might be the
guy."
>> So they put him into under
interrogation. They arrest him. He's in
the room.
>> He breaks quick.
>> Be honest. He does break quick. At
first, he attempts an elaborate
deception under hypnosis. He claimed to
be suffering from multiple personality
disorder, insisting an alternate
personality named Steve Walker was
responsible for the killings, not him.
Forensic psychologists ultimately saw
through the act, determining Bianci was
faking the disorder, a ploy
investigators believe he built using
knowledge he'd absorbed from his earlier
fraudulent psychological studies. Oh,
that makes sense.
>> Uh, so he does fold.
>> Yeah,
>> he folds.
>> He folds. He folds.
>> They have a lot on him, though. They
don't have a lot.
>> No,
>> I don't think he needed to fold.
>> No, I I don't think he needed to fold
either. I don't think that they had
much. He might have even beat it at
trial if he just shut it shut his mouth.
But then he's also extremely, you know,
he's a pathological liar. He's
narcissistic.
>> He's he thinks he could probably thinks
he can get away with it. He thinks he
thinks that that ruse is going to work.
You also have to understand in this
time, I think, well, isn't there that
movie like the like the faces of Eve or
something like that or there there's
there's a movie about um multiple
personality disorder? It's like a big
thing like a lot of guys are trying to
say they have multiple personality
disorder.
>> Oh. And uh so he but but it falls apart
very quickly. He can't pull it off.
>> Yeah. It's weird. He's crazier than his
cousin.
>> Did you look that up?
>> Yeah.
>> The three faces of Eve. Ah.
>> So this is a big thing. There's also
another at this time there's another
famous serial killer. And he didn't kill
a lot like three or four people. Um and
he also claims multiple personality. And
there's tons of psychiatrists that come
out of the woodwork that are interview
him and say, "Oh, he's it is him. He's
definitely got multiple personalities,
>> right?
>> Probably didn't. And I think later on
they prove that he didn't
>> cuz it's really not what people think it
is.
>> Anyway, the point is he fails. He can't
even [ __ ] pull it off for more than
more than a week. And then he gives up
his cousin.
>> He rolls. He gives up Angelo in exchange
for a plea deal. I didn't know you could
do this.
>> Well, yeah, the prosecutors can do that.
They say, "We're not going to push for
the death penalty." They can't guarantee
it, but they can say, you know, the
judge is going to take their
recommendation.
So, and there is the death penalty at
this time in Washington. So, they they
twist him. That's probably one of the
best uses of the death penalty is just
to twist people into confessions as as a
leverage tool. Yeah, that's I can see
that.
>> Uh Bianci agrees to testify testify
against Angela Angela Bono because
>> they have nothing on him,
>> right? Uh, Bono pleads not guilty and
fought the charges through what became,
at the time, this is wild, the longest
and most expensive criminal trial in
California history. The jury selection,
Matthew Cox took 6 months.
>> Jeez. You know what's funny, too, is
that they interviewed um one of the it
was like a lawyer, a prosecutor, and she
was like, I just couldn't believe that
he rolled over on his cousin. I thought,
are you [ __ ] serious? Yeah. This
guy's murdering people. You think that
you think that there's a line? You think
like, "Yeah, sure.
Murder or kidnapping, murder, torture,
underage, right?"
>> Oh, but honor.
>> Yeah.
>> Honor and loyalty.
>> But damn it, that's my cousin.
>> Yeah.
>> Absolut.
>> Oh, by the way, I was adop I'm not even
blood cousin cuz I was adopted.
>> Yeah. Anyway,
>> who got me into this [ __ ] in the first
place, I I might add, who said, "You
know what? It'd be wild. I know. I know
you like jerking off to these nudity
magazines, but if you ever orgasmmed
while choking a woman to death, that's
the way to go.
>> Ding, ding, ding. Over 400 witnesses
testified over the course of the trial.
Uh yeah, it lasted over two years. Uh
Bianci is the state's star witness. Took
the stand against his own cousin. Uh his
testimony was central to the
prosecution's case. Uh even as his
credibility was sketchy because he was
such a [ __ ] liar.
>> Yeah. He got caught just lie after lie
after a lie.
>> Yeah. And and um
>> the trial became notable for one
uncharged near victim Katherine Lore,
daughter of famed actor Peter Lurie, who
Bianci and Bono reportedly picked up but
ultimately released a detail that has
fueled decades of speculation about why
the pair spared her. They're fans of
fans of her dad.
>> Yeah, she probably said, "Hey, do you
know who my dad is?
>> Do you know who my daddy is?" So
>> Peter, is it Peter Lori?
>> You know, Bono was a um he had Oh,
shoot. what do you what OCD
>> and that he used to he used to
constantly wipe down his apartment. This
had nothing to do with this just in
general. They said they said this is the
kind of guy that could he could change a
tire, he could change your brakes and
you'd never know. He kept no oil on
them, no smudges. They said he was he
was uh meticulous as far as cleanliness
is concerned.
>> So he there was no blood. There was no
>> they found like nothing
>> except for some of the fibers from maybe
a carpet,
>> right?
>> But it's a mass- prodduced carpet. You
know what I'm saying? So it was nothing
without without his cousin. They there
was nothing. There was nothing.
>> That's [ __ ] wild. So you're saying
that even decades later when DNA and
genealogy came out and they had that
sitting in a cold case file, the the the
carpet fibers from the victim's face,
they still might have they would have
had a wide they would have had to have a
wide wide
>> selection of people. They couldn't have
just narrowed it down to him.
>> No. No. cuz that carpet's manufactured
and and there's probably, you know, for
probably 10 years or 5 years
>> in the 70s and 80s. Yeah. And and [ __ ]
it, dude. He was already in his 40s when
he started the killing. He'd probably be
dead.
>> Yeah. He he died in prison.
>> Yeah. He died in 2002.
>> Yeah.
>> So, and you know, this guy's not a
healthy guy. He's not It's not clean
living.
>> He didn't look healthy. He didn't look
healthy in the photos we had. He looked
God, he was a rough looking 40some,
right?
>> He was. But that's back when, dude.
That's back when 30year-olds
look like 49y old dads. You know what I
mean? Like this is
>> before we had [ __ ] juices. This is
before we knew about saturated fats.
This is when literally on a cereal box
they recommended that you have four to
six helpings of bread and wheat every
day.
>> Yeah.
>> This is when the propaganda was really
effective.
>> Yeah. I was gonna say this is back when
they were uh that the commercials said
that smoking uh it it made your lungs
stronger. Did you know that that initial
and they were all like cartoons? Like
these are cartoons. They're
>> Joe Camel.
>> Yeah. No, before Joe Camel. These are
like little cartoons are smoking. We're
talking about like little [ __ ] like
Mickey Mouse cartoons. They're smoking
cigarettes and they're talking about how
it strengthens your lungs where my dad
my father literally he started smoking
when he was 13 years old and never
stopped. died at 87 years old of lung
cancer.
>> No.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> But he but he never stopped.
>> But it aged him.
>> He didn't look good.
>> Wow. That is so [ __ ] wild. Angelo
Angela Bono spent nearly two decades uh
maintaining his own version of events,
whatever the [ __ ] that means. Uh never
expressing public remorse for the
killings. On September 21, 2002, he died
of a heart attack at Calipatri State
Prison at 67. Uh, and then Kenneth
Bianci, meanwhile, was served his time
at Washington State Prison in Walaw
Wala. Uh, two consecutive life terms. Is
he still alive?
>> Yeah, cuz did you see I I watched
something.
>> Oh my god. Yeah, he appeared before the
parole boards repeatedly, was obviously
denied. Uh,
>> you're not letting out a serial killer,
but uh the there was a a thing there was
a uh an interview with uh the the
detective uh shoot, I forget his name,
but he was a detective on the case and
he was also on the uh on the
Nightstalker case, too, by the way. I
forget his name, but anyway, he he's
talking he was disgusted because he said
to this day, he said he has women that
come visit him. He's he's like, "Oh,
he's had multiple marriage proposals."
>> There he goes right there. They put
money on his books.
>> That's [ __ ] insane.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, you know what this guy did to 10
girls and young women?
>> There's some There women women. There's
some disturbed women,
>> but he was married. But he was married.
>> He's clearly He can be tamed.
>> He can commit.
>> I can change. Yeah, he can commit. I
like a project.
>> Wow. That is disgusting. And well,
ladies, you should be ashamed of
yourselves. I know we should, too. But
you do that. So, that's been it. The
Hillside Strangler, uh, one of the most
publicized, best branded serial killing
cases of the 20th century, held in the
in the state that I love, in the city
that I love, the city of angels. Uh,
these little girls are angels now. Um,
>> it was funny though.
>> It was funny, you guys. I just want to
What do you think, Matt? Was this a
seven out of 10?
>> Guys,
>> surprisingly, this is one of the longer
episodes
>> that you guys have done.
>> Yeah, cuz we went off on about three
different 20 minutes.
>> I had a 20-minute [ __ ] uh uh tangent
there.
>> I've met You know what's so funny is
like I've met serial killers. I've met
guys that have killed like [ __ ] 10
and 15 people
>> in the feds.
>> Yeah. Um, it's I don't normally
apologize for content, you know what I
mean? Like, cuz we do our best. We work
very hard. Um, if you've stuck around
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You're a super fan and we [ __ ] love
you. Thank you so much. The next one
will be better.
>> You don't hit home runs. If everyone
were a banger, you wouldn't appreciate
the good ones as much, right?
>> Absolutely. And to be honest, I'll be
honest. Let me just if we're putting it
all out there. I blame Johnny for this.
>> Me, too.
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