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this. So, today we are going to be
talking about Theodore Ted Bundy. Now,
I'm going to go this whole episode and
we're just going to be positive. I've
decided that today we are going to be
positive. We are not going to make fun
of the victims. We are going to uplift
women and minorities.
We are not going to say anything about
heavy set people, uh, disabled people.
There were there were no heavy set or
disabled people in his victims. It was
all just a bunch. It's all just women.
>> He had taste. Yeah, he had taste. Good
taste.
>> Mostly co-ed. Some children.
>> Is this the most popular serial killer?
>> He when you think serial killer, he and
Dmer, I would say, probably are the ones
that still that pop into your mind.
What's amazing is that the
>> Ted Bundy, how old it is, he's still one
of the first things that pops into my
mind. You think serial killer. I mean
there's John Wayne Gayy there there's
the night stalker there's some other
stuff but really my first thought is
when you think serial killer Bundy
>> Bundy is like when you think soda you
think Coca-Cola
>> it's a Pepsi Coke branding I it's just
incredible Bundy you know two syllables
right domer Bundy Gayy
>> I remember when people in Florida used
to drive around with bumper stickers
that said I'll buckle up when Bundy does
>> nice
what because he was still on death row
>> and he they kept you know he kept
appealing this and they kept holding off
the execution and they were saying like
you can't even like this guy you can't
even execute this [ __ ] guy but you
want to make me wear a seat belt this is
when the seat belt laws came out
>> oh you guys must they must have been
>> practically communism
>> making me wear a seat belt
>> you want me to wear a safety belt
>> what's next I can't drink and drive
>> right you going to take away my my
property next yeah basically we have
fascism yeah what
>> [laughter]
>> I can't bring a gun into a daycare.
>> That's It's crazy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, look, we have Ted Bundy.
You know, by the end of this, you decide
if he was guilty or not.
>> He was guilty.
>> You think so?
>> He was guilty.
>> You don't [ __ ] know [ __ ] dude.
[laughter]
>> Okay, hold on.
>> We have to say one nice thing about each
other before we get started.
>> Your hair looks great.
>> Thank you. Thank you. You seem happy
today.
You seem No, you know what? You I know
because I know you're not happy. You
seem grounded today.
>> What? I don't even know what that means.
>> God, you're a [ __ ] idiot. Anyways,
[laughter] let's go.
Ladies and gentlemen, Theodore Ted
Bundy. Uh, yes, is is etched forever. He
is on the the Mount Rushmore of serial
killers, but you know, he was not he was
brutal. like, you know, uh, everybody
had their own style, right? Gayy, very
creative, dressed up like a clown, uh,
got teenage boys, good-looking boys, you
know, handsome boys.
>> Okay.
>> You would he would drug them, make them
cuff themselves, and then bury them in
the basement. Again, very
>> trick them into cuffing themselves, and
then he would Yeah. Then he'd strangle
them.
>> Very strong creativity. Creativity
points to like nine and a half out of
10. Dmer, same thing. I mean, he's
eating. He's putting pepper and paprika
and a little bit of herb and, you know,
garnish his victims with a little bit of
lemon and was eating them with a with a
steak and fork and knife, right?
>> Um, Bundy didn't really have any of
that. He was just a [ __ ] mad he was a
brute. He was he was clubbing women to
death. Well, he he did trick them into
getting into the car. He would wear the
you know that's remember the um [ __ ]
what was it? Buffalo Bill would did the
same thing in uh Silence of the Lambs
where he has his arm like in a sling.
>> Uh that's from Bundy. That's taken from
Bundy. Bundy would walk around with his
arm in a sling. And then go meet women
and say, "Hey, I'm trying to get this
thing in my car. Would you mind helping
me? It's right over here. I'm I just I
hurt my arm." And they're like, "Uh,
sure." Cuz they think, "Oh, he's a
wounded animal." right?
>> They walk over there and then boom, he'd
club them
>> or get them into the car and beat him or
whatever. Or he also
>> did the whole I'm a police officer
thing.
>> Yes, sometimes he did do that. Uh but
>> so he was clever. He tr he would trick
him to get
>> but there wasn't there wasn't a lot of
finesse or grace when it came to like
dumping the bodies.
>> Once he had them, he was brutal.
>> Brutal.
>> It's not like he choked them to death
and then they're still like he is
beating them. Who do we talk about that
would choke the [ __ ] out of women?
Almost lifeless and let let them come
too.
>> Rodney
>> almost like edging when you're,
>> you know, you almost do it and then you
>> Rodney Akoa.
>> Alcala.
>> Al [ __ ] what was it? Alcala.
>> Yes. Rodney Alcala. The uh
>> dating game.
>> Dating game guy. Yeah. So really, and he
was at least, you know, exuming the bo
or burying the bodies and, you know,
doing all kinds of
>> uh
>> photography. Really? He liked the
photography too,
>> right? He exactly enjoy photography. Ted
didn't have any of that. He was just a
real like, you know,
>> he had a real issue.
>> Super.
>> Yeah. This guy had some unresolved, you
could say. This guy could have done well
with some Better Help therapy.
>> Yeah,
>> Better Help. Where's that sponsor? You
know what I mean? He really could have
sat down and uh talked out his problems,
but that's just not what you did back in
the day. So Theodore Ted Bundy is born
November 24th, 46 in Vermont and then he
grows up in Philadelphia. Now this is
it's already getting weird at this
point, right? You want to explain how he
was raised by his maternal grandparents
as his parents? Yeah. Ted Bundy's mother
got pregnant when she was 22. So it's a
it was a a real stigma to be unwed. Yes.
>> To be like a single mother. So what they
did was they sent her off to a I don't
know what you'd call it, a a whatever
some house.
>> It was a home. Think about what America
used to be. Oh, this woman is pregnant.
She needs our help and she she isn't
married. Let's send her off. Let's send
her off to give birth in a home full of
other [ __ ]
>> So we send her away. I thought you
weren't going to say anything negative
about women.
>> No, I'm a pro [ __ ] I'm This is not a
[ __ ] shaming podcast. This is not a [ __ ]
shaming podcast.
>> I love that [ __ ] shame. That [ __ ] is in
[ __ ] shaming. Like, hey, you shouldn't
[ __ ] shame. But you just said [ __ ] Like
[ __ ] Like,
>> yeah, I love the English language. No,
this girl was just taking loads in her
lovingly. Loving loads. Hey, this
>> I don't [ __ ] shame. She was taking
loving loads in her voluuptuous vagina.
And uh unfortunately, the guy just
couldn't be bothered. His father. It's
his father's fault. the patriarchy's
fault.
>> So they send her off to have the baby,
they come back and because she was a
because there was such a stigma against
uh basically single mothers and being
she's unwed, she has no man, the whole
thing. Her parents adopt Ted and Ted is
raised thinking that his his mother his
mother who's 22 years older than him
thinking that the mother is his sister
and never well he does find out
eventually but we're talking about
>> decades later has no idea.
>> How stupid can you be? Like my sister's
22 years older than me. I get if it's I
get if she's 10 years 15 years maybe but
>> but that happened that happened. So they
tell her basically his grandparents who
are raising Does he know his
grandparents are his grandparents?
>> No, he thinks it's their he thinks those
are his parents.
>> Wow. And they tell him that oh this this
woman that's coming to visit us is your
sister. Uh
>> he finds out years later when he has to
get like a copy of his birth certificate
is what he finds out.
>> Now how do do we know how old he was
when he found out?
>> I want to say he's in his 20s, early
20s. It just seems wild to me that you
he couldn't have put that together at a
younger age because this guy's supposed
to be smart. I mean, I guess if his
mother looked young,
>> what do you mean looked young? It
doesn't matter if she's 45 years old.
So, my mom was My mom was born I was she
was 40 years old when I was born.
>> Yeah, but you didn't think she could
have been your sister.
>> That's That's what I'm saying. Like his
How old were his grandparents?
>> No. for him to not have said, "Okay,
>> so let's say his grandparents are 40.
His grandmother's 45. It's reasonable
that that could be his mother."
>> That is reasonable. I agree. Okay. So,
maybe she had So, she just had Ted
really late.
>> Yeah. Really late.
>> I had I had your sister very young
>> and you
>> when I was in my early 20s and you very
late.
>> All right. All right. All right. I'll
allow it.
>> Yeah. It's not He's not an idiot. Like,
he he obviously it made sense and it was
it was sold well to him. So he he bought
it and he just, you know,
>> and so nobody told him until he finds
out.
>> He finds out. He finds out when he gets
his birth certificate.
>> So that is considered one of the
>> pretty sure pretty sure I like I I've
heard two different things. One, he
found out when he got his birth
certificate because he had to apply for
something or do something. They needed a
copy of his birth certificate for some
reason. And when he got it, he was like,
"What what's going on?" Like he got a
copy of the adoption and saw his mother.
His sister was actually his mother.
>> So that was one issue. Well, that that
was that's considered, you know, by
people that have studied Bundy as one of
the first big cuts,
>> right? Traumatizing to him.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Second second thing was he was dating a
woman. Well, we we'll get to it. So,
anyway, let's let's
>> So, so he relocates um his his in 1950
his raised in Tacoma, so he's born in
Vermont, spends some time in
Philadelphia, but by 1950 uh his his
mother or grandmother mother, mother,
>> mother, mother, grandmother. Louise, uh,
moves them to Tacoma, Washington. So, he
doesn't really, he's bouncing around.
He's got one of these like nomadic lives
and, uh, and I think they're already
divorced, so I don't think he knows his
grandfather.
>> No, he knows his grandfather. They're
divorced, but he does know his
grandfather. His grandfather apparently
was a drinker and he was a strict
disciplinarian. I don't know that I saw
anything that said like he was abusive,
so strict.
>> This is what it was. Louise was okay.
Louise, who he thought was his sister,
>> took little Ted when he's four years old
in 1950 to Tacoma.
>> Yes.
>> And there Louise, his mother, who he
thinks is his sister, marries Johnny
Bundy, who adopts Ted. Okay. Now, that's
what I find crazy. So, you grow up
thinking your sister is raising you.
>> Yes, I guess he's got some there's some
issues.
>> This is [ __ ] up. Yeah,
>> this is I mean his family uh you know
can we put some blame on his family?
>> Sure we could. I mean I don't know you
know I I I think it's more
[clears throat]
it it's Listen, lots of people go
through trauma and they don't end up
brutally killing 20some people.
>> Well, I mean if you believe he did it
again um I want to I'm probably going to
reopen this case. I am going back to law
school as you know. Uh and so that's
just kind of going to be my retirement
kind of you know passion, right?
arguing,
>> freeing serial killers.
>> Yes, freeing serial killers. [laughter]
That's a niche.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah. No, this is this is not
normal.
>> This is this is it's [ __ ] [ __ ]
Matt. Just say it.
>> Anyway, here's what happens is he
eventually he eventually
>> moves on. Very smart kid, does well,
graduates high school, goes to college.
>> Now, do you believe he was brilliant? I
see people in these documentaries, they
say he was a sharp as a whip,
>> was he?
>> I think he was smart.
>> I guess he was pretty smart because by
his not only was he did he get into law
school back when it was hard to get into
law school, he also worked uh for the
senator of he worked in the senator's
office of Washington.
>> Yeah. He also the governor's office.
>> He ran an he was one of the workers that
helped run some some uh uh politicians
campaign,
>> right? which is to run that in your 20s
that takes a lot of
>> He's run running the whole thing. He
wasn't running the whole thing, but he's
one of the
>> staff. He's on staff running it.
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>> I kind of was a smart guy. He was a
smart guy.
>> I think I think history they like to to
drum up the drama. They're like this
brilliant, handsome man.
>> Wasn't that genius IQ?
>> Yeah.
>> Keer did have a genius I supposedly Keer
had like a 145 IQ.
>> Yeah, Keer. Keer is the most lovable
teddy bear of a serial killer. I loved
Ed Kemper. I wish I was selled up with
Ed Kemper.
>> I wish I could go back to prison.
>> Yeah.
>> I wish I could go back to prison and
spend just a couple years in prison with
Ed Keer and then I would just
>> write a book and make a podcast. I would
make so much money.
>> You know what I mean? If I could be
selled up with a [ __ ] the man
that [ __ ] big big dick having [ __ ]
Ed Keer, dude. Big dick Ed Keer. That's
the name of the episode, dude.
>> All right, let's come on.
>> Hey, walk in, man.
So
Teddy
>> Teddy goes to uh he goes to college.
>> So he grows up in Tacoma and then gets
accepted to the undergrad to study
psychology at UDub University of
Washington in Seattle.
Funny enough, he works at a Seattle
crisis line.
>> Yeah.
>> He works suicide hotline.
>> He with Anne Ran, I think is he worked
with her. You know who Anne Ran is? No,
not Anne Ran. Anne Rule. Anne Rule.
>> Yes. Ein Ran the uh the famous
libertarian writer.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Worked within [laughter]
Ran.
>> Yeah. He wrote Fountain Head. He wrote
Fountain Head with her. No. So
um No, I'm thinking uh Rule and Rule.
>> Yeah. She was a W. She became a writer
and I guess she wrote a famous a famous
book, The Stranger Beside Me. Is that
about him?
>> Yeah, about him. She used to visit him
in prison and everything.
>> Oh, wow. Uh look, we got talent out of
the Northwest. You know, you look at
you're looking at yours truly, right?
Um, I am the number one true crime
podcaster to ever come out of the
Northwest. This is a fact. Um, we have
Phil Knight created Nike. We have Ted
Bundy. Uh, we have the Green River
Killer.
Pretty much it. Bill Gates, but he just
stole everybody's ideas. Uh, but yeah,
we have Chuck Palnich. Uh, yeah. So, we
got some We have Kurt Cobain. So, it
ended well basically for everybody is
what I'm trying to say. Uh,
>> so did you hear remember the uh Bill
Gates and uh what's the his wife's name?
>> Melinda Gates exwife.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They they had their
foundation and they decided that
>> too many people were dying from uh
[clears throat]
>> oh gosh,
>> malaria.
>> Malaria or something in in Africa. So
they they spent
>> whatever $500 million and bought
>> uh mosquito nets. You hear about this?
And because the the Africans were just
in the areas were just it was just too
much of a pain in the ass to actually
sleep underneath these things and they
didn't really understand what they were
why they needed them and they wasn't
they started using them instead to fish
with.
>> Oh, that makes sense. That's more
practical,
>> right? And the problem is that because
the holes are so small, they were also
catching all the minnows.
And now there's all these lakes and
ponds in Africa that have no fish in
them because they would scoop them up
with the minnows and they've dried up.
And now there's a huge crisis in Africa
in all of the areas where he spent half
a billion dollars,
>> right?
>> That they have no protein and now it's a
new [ __ ] crisis that you caused with
your dog good or [ __ ] it. Just leave
these [ __ ] alone. Yeah. This is where
This is where Ted Bundy I mean, we've
talked about how Seattle is the it's the
number one side city, I think.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Or maybe they just Maybe maybe I just
said that. Can we look that up?
>> Or maybe I should just be saying [ __ ]
>> It might be true.
>> Yeah, I'm so depressing. It rains all
the time.
>> It rains all the [ __ ] time. Yeah, it
rains all the [ __ ] time. Is it in
terms of big cities?
>> [ __ ]
There's Seattle at the bottom. Yeah,
Tacoma's higher than it. Okay, it's not
even close.
[laughter]
>> Jesus Christ.
>> Why do you want it on the list?
>> I don't know. Because it just fits my
narrative. [laughter]
So, this is the environment that uh
Theodore Bundy is kind of becoming and
he and he's turning into a serial
killer, right? But it's the other
fascinating part though is that he just
starts killing after his girlfriend. So,
we have the revelation that his his mom
his sister is actually his mom. His
grandparents are actually his parents.
Uh or his parents were actually his
grandparents. And then I think it's they
said it was like a breakup that he had.
So, here here's what happens. He meets a
a girl that is she comes from money.
She's well educated. He starts dating
her.
>> And this is I think this actually you'll
love this. So, he starts dating her for
a while, but then when he starts getting
really serious with her and thinking,
"Hey, this is the one and and kind of
explains that to her like, I really
think this is going to work out. This is
what I want you. I I love you. I want
you. This is I think we're going to we
should get married." Whatever. And she
starts realizing how serious it is. She
breaks up with him.
>> Yes.
>> She breaks up with him because she says
he's not
>> ambitious enough.
>> Ambitious enough.
>> He then and it's devastating to him.
>> Devastating. Now I found that cuz he he
was very uh classcon conscious. He was
very conscious of his kind of lower
middle class weward uh tur turbulent
upbringing.
>> Right. Right. He's not from a wealthy
family. He does not doesn't have like a
um
>> you know he's not from a privileged
background. The whole thing. So he then
ends up eventually dating another girl
who has a a a daughter. Maybe she's
divorced. Maybe she maybe the baby's
born out of wedlock. I don't know. But
she dates him dates him for a while.
Then at some point he goes back to
school
and he hooks up with the old the
original girlfriend,
>> right? He actually it was when he was in
California,
>> right? But at this point he's now
working for the senator.
>> He's now like he's doing he's now he's
graduated school. He's
>> he's got some status.
>> He's get he's in law school. Well, he's
been a I think he's been he's been um
he's starting law school, I think. I
don't know if he's in law school yet.
>> He's starting in Utah, right?
>> Well, he's been he's been accepted to
law school, let's say.
>> Oh, that's right. That's
>> kind of like I think he's been accepted
to law school. He's graduated school. He
wants to be a lawyer and he's working
for some senator.
>> And so now,
>> hey, now you're kind of somebody like I
think you may be somebody. So, she gets
back together with him. They date for
about six months. I don't know. I never
heard what happened to the other chick,
but dates for about six months. They
decide they're going to get married.
They announce that they're going to get
married
>> and he breaks it off.
>> Boom. We're done.
>> Like,
>> just get back. It was just get back to
humiliate her. Can you imagine her
families telling everybody she's getting
married? We're sending out invitations.
This is going to happen just to [ __ ]
just the ultimate revenge. [ __ ] off.
>> We're done.
>> Yeah. I mean, guys do that, but it's
usually just like, "Hey, this girl
rejected me. Now she wants me back. I'm
just gonna go bang her once." And then
>> he's all in for six months. Yeah. And
then he suddenly decides he's going to
start whacking people. I think this is
also about the same time he finds out
that he his that his sister is really
his mother and his parents are really
his grandparents.
>> I thought that was a little earlier.
>> I I it's sometime around this whatever
within a year or two. It's around the
general area,
>> this time frame. Um because at that
point he just decides he's just gonna
start [ __ ] whacking people.
>> Now one one of these one of these women
that he dated and I wish Chad GPT was
good. I I could I could tell you, but
one of them ends up giving cops the
first tip
>> because on America's Most Wanted, uh
this is after bodies are popping up, you
know, from, you know, in Utah, in
Seattle, in Colorado, that they're
looking for a guy with named Ted. I
believe they had his name.
>> Yeah. Because he he he kidnaps two
people from this beach area,
>> right?
>> In the same day.
>> Yes. And she Oh, and she overheard one
of the conversations
where he explains well one he he's been
seen walking around with like his arm
and a sling and he's they connect him to
this Volkswagen where they they're like,
"No, I know I saw the guy. He had a
Yeah. Yeah. He was driving that a
Volkswagen. It was yellow or silver or
something gray."
>> And then also a girl near the girl, one
of the girls he abducted. when he
introduc she was there when he
introduced himself to the girl. He said,
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and she's like, "Uh, yeah, sure."
Because she thinks he's kind of like,
you know, this,
>> you know, he's pathetic. He's got
>> She's gone.
>> She's gone.
>> So, and that was uh on a beach in like
West Seattle that was on the Puet Sound.
That was that was in that was in the
Northwest still. But my point was I
believe it was the girl he was dating
before he went back to his ex who had
broken up with
>> information. She wasn't a victim. She
just
>> No, no, she called up cuz she saw it on
America's Most Wanted. This is uh this
is after, hey, we're looking for a cream
colored Volkswagen and a guy named Ted.
She gave them one of the earliest tips
like, "Hey, you should look into this
guy."
>> And they had a they had the sketch,
which I never thought was great, but
>> yeah,
>> it's just he it was just him with shaggy
hair. It was a normal guy with shaggy
hair and they had it almost blond
looking and his hair was brown, but
whatever. So, yeah.
>> Yeah, he kind of had that like curly
almost
>> Yeah. real wavy kind of real wavy. Yeah,
I'm glad I didn't have wavy hair.
>> No,
>> it just kind of gets chaotic after this.
We can't really timeline it because
there's so much going on. So, basically,
this guy starting in January of 1974
goes on a blitz crieg of violence for
the next four years, five years. It's
crazy. So, we can't possibly get to all
the victims because there's at least 30,
>> right?
>> At least. Um,
>> let me get to some of them.
>> So,
>> some of the major ones.
>> Yeah. So, it starts off the and also
geographically too. This guy was a
nomadic killer. It wasn't just Seattle,
but it began there because obviously
that's where he grew up. Uh, Linda Anne
Healey, 21, disappears from her Seattle
home. She was a University of Washington
student. Um, then about a month later,
Donna Manson, 19, disappears from
Evergreen State College in Olympia,
which is just south about an hour from
Seattle.
uh Susan Elaine Rancort, 18, disappeared
from Central Washington University in
Ellensburg, central Washington. Uh all
the way down to Oregon State University,
one of my alma modders in Corvalis,
Oregon, south of Portland. Uh that's all
within and then June 1, Brenda Carol
Ball, last seen at the Flame Tavern in
Burian, which I think is in Washington.
June 11th, an 18-year-old disappears
near the University of Washington
sorority in Seattle. That's seven people
in in spring term, basically the spring
semester alone. So, is are these people
did they find any of those people? So,
he was burying his body. He was burying
his victims or taking them out to the
woods?
>> Yeah, some of them. Yeah. And and he
would um All of these are using the
Volkswagen. He's removed like the seat.
He sometimes he would remove the seat,
sometimes he wouldn't, but sometimes he
would remove the seat
>> and he would lure them in with the,
"Hey, can you help me?" Or he'd pull a
badge on them to get them into the car.
He put a he'd handcuff them
>> and then once they're in there, he'd
bash them in the [ __ ] head with a
pipe or knock them out. I mean, he was
brutal. Like the the women that were
brutal all it wasn't like he choked them
to death. He's beating these women to
death with his hands or whatever.
>> And he also like sodomized one with a
pipe. Real nasty mean.
>> Oh yeah. The one woman who survived.
Yeah. Oh my. That was the first victim.
The first he didn't she didn't die,
right? He broke into her like basement
home in Seattle
>> and bashed her head with a [ __ ] pipe
and then he sodomized her with it. Like
it's like and she was just a vegetable
after that.
>> Yeah. She was I think she was in a in
They don't really say she's in a coma,
but they said she was like I know she
basically was unresponsive for I forget
like a week or two.
>> She's probably not right for the rest of
her life.
>> Yeah. Yeah. She was she was pretty
[ __ ] up.
>> It was a jerk move.
>> Yeah. I I think he probably thought he
killed her.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like unless
you've killed someone.
>> I I think it's I think it's harder to
determine if someone's dead if they're
unconscious cuz how many of these guys
have we talked to or sorry to sorry
we've uh gone over where they've choked
someone where they thought they choked
him to death and then they survive. Like
you thought they thought the person was
dead and then they find out like holy
[ __ ] they they're survival. Takes a lot
>> especially with choking.
>> And what's he doing? And he's he's
raping them, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh,
>> it's all over him.
>> And he likes
>> And he comes back sometimes. Sometimes
he would remember where they were. So
he'd leave the body and come back.
>> So is this a thing where he's is he
dragging them? So how are they
disappearing? Is he is he leaving them
in the woods?
>> Leaving them like in the woods and [ __ ]
some I mean so initially he's taking
he's taking them and disposing of the
bodies in the woods, let's say. Okay.
>> And this is the Northwest. So much
forest. There's tons of places
>> at first. [clears throat] Remember once
he because at some point he gets
arrested. He escapes a couple times.
when he one of the times he escapes,
that's when he breaks his pattern,
>> right?
>> Remember, this is the the sorority
thing, but we're not there yet.
>> So, it's wild. He's luring these girls
in with a Volkswagen Beetle, a [ __ ]
cool ass car, by the way. But it's tiny.
>> But back then, it's like driving a
[ __ ] Toyota Corolla. You're like,
"Hey, uh,
>> get in my, uh,
>> get in my Beetle."
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, no, but I think I was kind of fly. I
think it was better than Toyota Corolla.
I think it was like the equivalent of
like uh like a early model Tesla.
[gasps]
>> I don't [ __ ] know if you're old.
Comment below. Um was the Beetle
considered cool or was that like an
everyman?
>> It was an everyman car. I think it was
>> a Volkswagen. But that's a that's a
>> It was hip but it was average but it was
cheap. It was cheap but it was hip.
>> There you go. Cuz it's a foreign car.
It's a Germanade car. Kind of cool.
>> You know who made it? Who designed it?
>> Adolf Ikeman.
>> I don't know who that is. Uh uh. No, the
person that designed it is uh Dr.
Porsche. Who
>> he designed it for at the request of
Adolf Hitler because he wanted an
inexpensive vehicle that the average
family could buy.
>> He's a populist. Okay. So, he is making
these girls disappear. He's he's luring
them into his his hip but but affordable
Volkswagen Beetle. And yeah, he's just
clearly has a type, too. These are
college girls on college campuses,
right?
Nice [snorts] and young. Nice and tight.
But hey, at least they're not underage.
>> No, he gets some underage ones. He gets
underage. Yeah, like a a 12-year-old.
But this isn't until Florida. This is in
Florida. So, right now
>> that's some [ __ ] you do in Florida.
>> Yeah, right now he's Yeah. So, he's
>> Okay. Right now, he's keeping it legal.
>> Co-eds. He's keep going with co-eds,
right? So basically right now what he's
doing is not illegal except for the
>> the murder and rape part,
>> right? But at least
>> or kidnapping, kidnapping, rape,
>> technically it's not he's not a Cho, is
he? I guess he is. Yeah, the rape.
>> No, that's the CHO is for child.
>> Yeah. So So he's got good paperwork
>> as of right now.
>> According to the laws of prison politic,
we're not even kidding. Actually,
according to the laws of prison
politics, so far Ted Bundy uh brutally
uh beating to death
is he can sit with the whites in prison.
He is not a child.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> He was [ __ ] him, but probably after
he killed him,
>> you know what I mean? So,
>> does that make it better or worse?
>> No, it makes it better for him to be
able to walk the the main line in
prison. Yeah. You're not going to get a
[ __ ] You're not going to get stabbed,
you never raped anybody. That was
living. That was living. They're like,
"Your paperwork." That was living.
>> Different.
>> Her pulse was
>> Yeah.
>> Her pulse was already No pulse. Oh,
okay. Good.
>> Yeah, cool.
>> I actually heard that. I heard um cuz
[clears throat] I think cuz Kip Kinkle
was at
>> Kip Kinkle.
>> He was Yeah, he was the guy.
>> That's a name.
>> He shot up. He was the first big school
shooter in Oregon and he was at Oregon
State Penitentiary when I was there.
>> Pioneer. And I was just talking about
like I don't know whatever his name came
up and some some some guy goes with all
seriousness I I don't get what the
problem is man the guy's got good
paperwork. Yeah I know but he he he
massacred you know teenagers who were
just trying to go to high school but no
he didn't he didn't touch kids so he's
he's cool with us. Okay. Anyways you've
got
>> show me who you surround yourself with
and I'll show you your situation. Oh,
you've been in and out of prison all
your life. Okay. So, this is like
>> this is the two abductions. These are
the two abductions.
>> Same day.
>> Yes. Okay. So, this is
>> again a blitzkrieg of violence.
>> Same day.
>> Same day. So, but hang on. But this is
key because this is the first piece of
evidence he leaves.
>> So, I want to point out Ted is using his
real name when he introduces himself to
these girls. Like, hey, I'm Ted. What?
You didn't think you'd call yourself
Bill or another one-cllable white guy?
No. This guy was honest. He's like, "My
name's Ted." Sometimes he would even
lean forward and tell the girls, "I'm
going to kill you."
>> Yeah, that is the what the one the one
girl who survived. That's what she said.
>> Yeah.
>> She said when once he was had her in the
car and leaned over, she said she
actually thought he was going to kiss
her. Instead, he looked her right in the
face. He leaned into her ear and said,
>> "You know what? I'm going to kill you."
And then immediately started choking
her.
>> He's like, "You know what? You're not as
pretty as I thought you were. I think
I'll just get straight to killing. Yeah.
So,
so it was this guy was not like some
serial killers. You know, we talked
about the toy box killer. Very
meticulous. Really, really trying to
cover their tracks. Ted was just a
[ __ ] brush fire. Like, he just
snapped and he's killed now eight people
in three or four months and he's just
going for it. like he's just driving in
broad daylight
>> picking up women with with witnesses
around. And so this will is kind of what
leads to the beginning of the end starts
very quickly after he after he begins
killing. So after that whole spat of of
abductions and murders that I just read
off to you, in July of 74, so the same
year, he abducts two girls on the same
day at Lake Samish, Lake Samish State
Park, uh, near Seattle. Uh, Julia Janice
Aught and Denise Naslin, 23 and 19,
disappeared from the same crowded park.
Now, if you watch the Netflix doc, this
is where some witnesses heard him
talking to these girls. Yeah. Right.
>> Yeah. So, when they they disappear, they
put out a uh the police because there's
there's no social media, there's no
Amber, large, they end up putting a a
kind of like a a plea for anybody that
was there that day to send in to to
contact them
>> and to send in photographs that they
have. They were hoping to get a cop a
picked photo. somebody would randomly
photograph him, which they didn't.
>> Witnesses describe a man calling himself
Ted and asking women for help. Yeah.
>> Right. And accounts include an apparent
arm injury, as you say, a guy in a sling
and a Volkswagen Beetle. So he So he
kidnaps one of them. He can't fit both.
You can't fit three people in a beetle.
So he's kidnapping one, taking her away,
killing her, dumping her body, and then
coming back.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, that is wild. He's returning to
the scene of the crime.
70s, dude.
>> So, a few few hours later, he he goes
back and he scoops up another chick.
>> Yeah.
>> Gets her in the vehicle.
>> Once again,
>> I'm wondering.
>> And their remains are found near the
town of Isakwa in 1974.
>> Yeah. I wonder what he's saying.
>> September 90 1974
>> to get them in the vehicle. Like
sometimes he's getting them to close to
the vehicle
>> and then he clubs them like it's like,
"Hey, can you help me?"
>> This is a park. Like this is people are
around. Like this is Well, it it's not a
park, but it's it's a beach area near a
on a lake.
>> This is a big area. There's there's a
huge parking lot, but there's still lots
of families and
>> there's a lot of people around
obviously.
>> Like what's he doing to get them?
Because the conversation was that he w
that people are recalling
or saying he approached them, said his
name was Ted. He needed help launching a
boat is what one woman had said. But you
go over to the Beetle and it's just a
Beetle. So, what is he saying to get
them in the vehicle? I wonder. Is he
pulling a badge? Is he
>> I I think he's I think he's hitting them
over the head
>> just in broad daylight right there with
everybody. [ __ ]
>> I do. And then dragging them into the
car.
>> Or maybe coming up with an additional
excuse saying, "Hey,
it's right over here. or can we let's
just take we'll just take my car. I got
to move some stuff. We'll just take my
car over there. And once they get in
like it's at the it's at the place. It's
it's right over here and pointing and
say, "But I'm going to drive my car
here. Hop in. I'll drive us over there."
Once they get in,
>> he smacks a slaps a hand. You know, he
just has to smash them in the face once
or twice and almost, you know, to where
they're going to be compliant and then
puts a cuff on them, cuffs them in
there. Exactly.
>> And then drives off. They're not going
to scream or anything if they they get
clocked a couple of times.
>> What was that thing? So, you remember
when he gets pulled over uh later, he's
in either Utah or Colorado, he gets
pulled over and an officer, he talks his
way out of it. An officer sees a ski
mask.
>> That's right.
>> A a metal pipe hand is it handcuffs.
>> Handcuffs
>> and something else like I mean, how
untrained are the police officers to
look there, see it, ask about it, he
explains it away, and they're like, "Ah,
okay. This guy's good."
>> Yeah.
>> All right. All right. Well, hey, there's
a serial killer on the loose, so I got
to get going. But just try to try to
slow down. Okay.
>> Uh, yeah. So, that makes sense. But, you
know, it's he never admits it, so that
we kind of don't know exactly.
>> Yeah. It's not Well, actually, it is
after he's he does admit a bunch of
stuff.
>> At the very end, just like we're talking
about like the day a maybe a couple days
before he's executed, he just starts
>> babbling about, you know, I've done
this, I did this, I did. At that point,
I think he does admit to a bunch of
stuff,
>> but I'm talking about like the details
like that. He starts think they're done
with him. They're kind of like we don't
need to talk about that. Like he's
desperately trying to get his
>> Yeah. He's trying to he's trying to use
it as leverage to to save off the death
penalty, but at that point it's too too
late.
>> Um Okay. So So those two girls go
missing. That's the first clue is
witnesses saying, "Yeah, it was a guy
named Ted in in a beetle."
>> And this is when I think his the
exgirlfriend calls or is it his current
girl? Whatever it was, the girlfriend
calls at this point. I think she sees
this stuff. The the his name is Ted.
This is the first time Ted This is the
first time it hits the news. The guy's
name is Ted. He's driving a Beetle. This
is the color. I think they get the color
wrong. A little off.
>> Right. Right.
>> Like, oh no, it's his is his is rust
color and her and they said beige. You
know, it's just like what? Like, come
on, man. This is a general
>> gray beige. like we're talking about a
medium kind of a neutralish color.
Yellow fa, you know, any of those colors
to me could have been are all uh um
close enough.
>> So So his girlfriend So this goes out on
the news, America's most This is before
America's Most Wanted, but it goes out
on the whatever the national news and
his girlfriend or his probably his
ex-girlfriend by now sees that, calls it
in, but whether he knew it or not, he
had heat on him. So he picked up and he
moved to Salt Lake City because he had
been accepted to the University of Utah
Law School.
>> Right.
>> Right. So uh
>> his second law school by the way.
>> I think I think this is a second law
school. He goes to two different law
schools. He like starts one and then
drops out
>> and then starts another one.
>> Yeah. So clearly by this time he's just
using everything as a front to for his
killings, right? Like he wasn't
following. And that's what's interesting
is maybe his girlfriend who who broke up
with him and broke his heart initially,
maybe she saw that in him. Like, okay,
yeah, you're you're big talk, but you're
not a lot of follow through. Like,
you're a smart guy, but you don't really
have any ambition to like do anything
with it,
>> right?
>> That's what I took away from it. I'm
like, okay, you're just the kind of guy
that's like always planning on doing
something, you know? So [clears throat]
anyways, I don't know if he was planning
the killings, but he sure followed
through with that.
>> Well, it's funny because like his a some
of these serial killers, you start to
feel like serial killing is just their
hobby and then some like what is it?
Some some people,
>> you know, some people work some people
work to live and some people, you know,
live to work. Like some some of these
guys are this is kind of like just their
hobby.
But but for him, it seems like this was
his whole his whole reason for existing
is to be a serial killer. And the other
things are kind of a front
>> to make him myself look good and look
cuz
>> cuz at some point they investigate him
cuz he they realize he matches but he's
he's like a law student or something and
they're like this guy's a [ __ ] law
student. He's worked for senators. He's
totally on the up and up. It can't be
the same guy. Let's move on to the next
subject.
>> Yeah. The cops don't even consider it.
They see that and they're like, "Oh, no.
>> It can't be this guy."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Lawyers don't kill people.
No.
>> Hey, lawyers are some of the most
welladjusted people we know.
>> Uh, so Bundy moves to Salt Lake City.
This is where the ladies from Salt Lake
start to disappear. October 1974, Nancy
Wilcox is 16. Oh, he's got bad paperwork
now. 16.
>> Oh, now you've drawn Now I draw the
line. I'm a white guy in prison. This is
not cool anymore. Hey, 18. Totally cool.
Props. Even 16. Oh, no, no, no. Now
you're Now you're a Cho. Uh, she
disappears from a town called Holiday.
Holiday. Uh, October 18th. I mean, 1974
was the year of Bundy. Can we say that?
This is all taking place in 1974. Uh,
Melissa Smith, 17, disappears from
Midvil. Her body is recovered later that
month.
>> Another seven, a 16 and a 17y old.
>> Well, we don't know the age of consent.
17 might. It's wild. Like, it should be
25. Women should not be having sex till
they're in their mid to late 20s and
only with their husbands. We got to get
back to traditional values, dude. Be
that as it may, she's 17 years old,
disappears from the Lehi area. Uh her
body is later found in American Fork
Canyon. So, I mean, now this is like
over 10 murders in one year. Uh, no,
this is like Yeah. almost 15. November
8th, this is where Carol
>> Danch
>> They never like find his fingerprints or
>> It's [ __ ] crazy, right?
>> Yeah.
>> So, he didn't leave Prince. That's what
I'm saying. There was not a lot of
evidence, dude.
>> No, there's very little evidence.
>> There's very little evidence.
>> A lot of it circumstantial.
>> Yeah. Which I don't like. I want hard
evidence. I want a lot of it. So,
finally a survivor happens. That that
woman,
>> this is the one where he grabs
>> She's at the bus stop.
>> Yeah. He picks her up.
>> She's She's at the bus stop.
>> And he he This is at night and he leaves
her on a picnic table.
>> Yeah. So, he picks this this
>> He does the choking thing to her.
>> Yeah. So, he picks this Mormon girl up
at the bus stop and takes her to like
It's at night. He takes her to a park
>> and I think he does rape her.
>> Yes. And he's doing the choking thing.
Choking, letting her come up for air.
Choking, letting her come up for air.
He's She says he's sitting on her chest.
Yeah. At one point,
>> she passes out. Well, well, what what
happened was first he choked her out in
the car.
>> Yes.
>> So, she wakes up on the picnic table.
Then he's on her chest and she tells him
like, "I can't breathe. I can't
breathe." He goes, "Okay, I'll let you."
He said like, "Don't struggle and I'll
let you breathe." Something like that.
So he gets off her and then he rapes her
and he's choking her out and she passes
out and then she comes out. She's
terrified, of course.
>> Yeah.
>> Then she he lets her come back. Then he
does it again.
>> She's terrified and she passes out and
then when she wakes up, she realizes
he's not on top of her anymore. So maybe
he thought he had killed her.
>> He may have thought that or he maybe he
thought she we don't know how long these
women are passed out for. So maybe he
thinks, "Oh, I got five minutes." Well,
either way, he got up. He was went into
the Volkswagen, and when he opened the
door, she said, "I could," she said, "I
only I knew he wasn't on me, and when I
rolled over, I could see the Volkswagen,
the dome light, and I could tell he was
in the Volkswagen." And she rolled off
the bench and just [ __ ] bolted. She
starts bolting. It's It's pitch black.
She falls into a river.
>> Yeah. Into the river. And it carries her
away.
>> Yeah. But it's It was shallow, so she
doesn't drown, but it's rushing. It was
like perfect cuz it's rushing fast and
it's basically helps her escape.
>> Yeah. He can't, you know, obviously it's
pitch black. He can't chase her down. He
can't find her and he jumps in the
vehicle and leaves.
>> Oddly enough, uh her identification
later becomes central to his kidnapping
prosecution. So, he's convicted of
kidnapping, but of course, he doesn't
kill her. Uh so, she's not the nail in
the coffin,
>> right? But not yet. This isn't yet. He's
still he's still out.
>> And what's sad about that is that she
kept that to herself for 30 years. She
didn't told anybody she got raped.
>> She was Mormon. And back then the more
the the what was the um uh their stance
on it was
it is better for you to lose your life
than your your virginity.
>> And so the their the Mormon church at
that time was that you should basically
fight nonstop to not lose your
virginity. And if you end up dying as a
result of it, well then it's better that
you die than you allow yourself to be
raped.
>> Yeah. And so she didn't want to say
anything because she allowed herself to
be raped, you know, or whatever if you
could say aloud, whatever. She was raped
and she didn't want to say anything. So
she just kept it to herself until later
when the they're circulating the Bundy
thing and and she sees him and she goes,
"I better come forward."
>> Right. But I don't think she was a
witness at his murder trial in Florida.
>> No, I don't I don't I I don't She's been
interviewed a bunch of times. I don't
know. We'll figure it out.
>> Okay. So that same night when when the
woman Carol gets away, he goes and
kidnaps Deborah Kent, a 17-year-old girl
from Vmont High School. She was leaving
a school theater production. She went
outside to pick up her younger brother
and never returned. What they found at
the scene was a small handcuff key
>> who they later were able to match to a
handcuff that was left on Carol
>> on the one vict right
>> who escaped. So she escaped with a
handcuff on her. Yeah.
>> So that becomes another key piece of
evidence linking Bundy. All right.
>> Right.
>> So the guy is he's leaving clues. He's
leaving breadcrumbs. He's making
mistakes. He is so driven. He's not
cunning. He's not he doesn't like Israel
Keys. Perfect example of a guy who was
incredibly patient. They wait for the
because usually after one of these Sato
psycho killers kills somebody, they're
satiated. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. Yeah. For a while.
>> For a while. This guy can't wait. This
guy can't wait.
>> Well, first of all, he didn't The one
chick, he didn't kill her. She got away.
>> Right. Right.
>> So, he's like, he's obviously killing
them is is a part of that. So, when she
got away, he's probably angry, upset. He
immediately goes and grabs another girl.
>> Sure. Yeah. But I mean, the guy clearly
he was he was like a bull in a china
shop, right?
>> As my grandfather used to say. So, uh
now now we've got a spat. So now he
takes a little bit of a break finally.
It's got all work and no play. The guy
you just you need like some you time,
Ted. So he kind of chills out for the
holiday season. And then in 1975,
the killing start up again. So he's now
moved on to Idaho and Colorado. So he
spent a lot of time in Idaho, Colorado.
I think people forget that. On January
12th, 75, Karen Campbell disappears from
a hotel at Snow Mass, Colorado. Her body
is found the following month.
>> This is the one, by the way, that that
there were people in the hotel elevator
when she got off. And they're like, they
know she got in the elevator, went was
going up to her her hotel room, got off
on her floor. So somewhere between
getting off of the elevator and walking
to the room, he grabbed her.
>> That's wild. So he he cuz he's not a
necessarily a he's not a big guy, but he
did have this kind of like ferocious
evil in him that made him pretty strong.
>> Like he was pretty women and and and who
knows
>> and he was pretty agile. Like he he knew
he could carry himself, you know,
>> and who knows what the rouge was for him
to get these this woman. He may have
been, you know, it's funny because a lot
of although it in today, from today's
standards, based on today's standards,
we might not think of him as a an
extremely handsome guy, but back then
women said he was very handsome. So, he
may have just she got off, was walking
down the the hallway, he came out of his
room, saw her, and chatted her up for a
minute and said, "Oh, hey. Oh, you like
Oh, you you know, you like whatever
World War II uh um you know,
>> you like the History Channel." Yeah, I
got it. She here. Check this out. And
she stepped into her room and turned
around and just smashed her in the
[ __ ] head, got her on the ground and
choked her out. You don't know how
quick. Like it could go bad so fast the
moment that door closes.
>> But but him getting the bodies out. So
he dismembered her like
>> could just put her in a big suitcase,
wheel her right out just like but just
like a dmer did. Remember the the little
little uh Asian guy? He just threw them
in a suitcase.
>> Yeah. Asian guy, normal girl. Same size.
>> Same size.
>> Yeah. Uh okay. So
>> back then this these these women are 5'2
and they weigh 95 and 100 pounds.
They're nothing.
>> Yeah. But the plot a lot of these
killings are like literally spur of the
moment.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Some of them he's thinking
out. He's got he's got to ruse to get
them invol in the car, but some of them
are obviously spur spur of the moment
>> impromptu.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. Uh in Vale on March 15th, Julia
Cunningham 26 kind of
>> love Veil.
>> Yeah. Yeah, Veil, Colorado.
>> It's nice.
>> Yeah, nice nice place. Nobody actually
from Colorado lives there cuz obviously
they can't afford it. But uh yeah, it's
a nice place for people to helicopter in
uh to go skiing.
>> We should go.
>> We should go. Yeah. Should we go to
Veil?
>> Veil. Yeah, we went to uh Breen Ridge.
We went skiing.
>> It reignited my love for skiing.
>> It did. He's been again since then. At
least once.
>> At least once. I got a pass.
>> Yeah.
>> I love skiing.
>> Are you serious? I grew up skiing.
>> Really?
>> Mount Hood outside of
>> Portland. I'm I'm uh I can ski.
>> Yeah, I got videos. I'll show you videos
of Matt skiing. Me and him skiing.
>> It's not great. It's not I'm not the
best, but I I would get better like this
for for somebody who had not since I was
17.
>> We went last year with my wife
>> and you did I mean you did 10 times
better than any
>> So, you're able to stay on your feet.
>> Oh, yeah. No, I can stay on my feet. I
can I can um what is it? Uh hockey stop
and and do I can do all that. Like I I
can stay. It's just like I'm not I'm not
just [ __ ] going down black diamonds
with the
>> mobile.
That's not insane. I think Kobe probably
could.
>> Colobby could probably do. Kobe's the
most athletic.
>> But I could go down the Can I go down
the blues and the right?
>> Yeah, the blue, too. I love a blue. I
love a good I love a hard blue.
>> That's Matt
making the pizza.
Yeah.
>> Yeah, it's good.
I am in shock that you found that so
quickly. That's great. Look at that.
Look, look. I'm I'm doing good. Yeah,
I'm I can stay on my feet. I almost
never fall.
>> I'm between I'm probably between you I'm
better than you, not as good as Colby at
skiing.
This is why we need a Patreon. We're
going to put all this stuff on the
Patreon. If we have a Murderman ski trip
should all go and we can't You know
what? Jess Jess will go. She won't ski,
bro. She had a complete Listen, this is
a chick I've up until that point almost
never seen her like lose it and get
upset. She had a complete
meltdown, temper tantrum, taking the
skis off, throwing them on the ground,
cussing, screaming, I'm not doing this.
I'm walking down. I said that. No,
you're not. Put those skis. She fell
every 30 feet all the way down the
mountain. Put them back. What? This is
[ __ ] Went down one time. Gave up.
And we even did the class. We did like
the bunny class. We went on on like the
bunny hill.
>> The bunny hill. We did the whole thing
and she just could She can rollerblade.
She can roller skate. She can do all
that. I've never seen her not be good at
something. It was great. It was just the
It was the best because I was like going
around circles and doing everything and
she was furious.
>> But she will go.
>> So just stay in the lodge. She's just
going to stay in the lodge. Um,
>> nothing like staying in the lodge.
>> And she's okay with that. She's okay.
Like she's like, I'll go down to town.
I'll go shopping and I'll do this and
that. She's I'll make dinner for you
guys. Like she would love that. And then
we you know the other thing we did which
Colby didn't do but we he should have
done was the um
>> snowmobile.
>> Snowmobile which was pretty cool because
>> you never snowmobile.
>> Here's why it was great. It was just
long enough. Have you ever been on one
of these tours where it's like 3 hours
and 45 minutes? Yeah.
>> 45 minutes in I was like I'm done. Can
we turn back? But you can't because
you're with a group of [ __ ]
>> Yeah,
>> this was perfect. This was literally
We're talking about 20 minutes up the
mountain.
>> We get to hang out for five minutes and
pee
>> and and take some photos. Get on the
thing. Go all the way. 45 minutes. Just
as we were coming in, I was thinking,
I've had enough.
>> Yeah,
>> I got it. We did the thing. We did all
the trails. We did some little stuff.
It's pretty cool, but I'm I'm good. I
got the whole experience.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank god it was over. Yeah.
>> I was like, "This is perfect."
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I can't stand You get on a horse and
they're like, "Okay, we'll be doing this
for the next 3 hours." [ __ ] off three
hours.
>> I didn't even like it when I was 10. I
was like, "My [ __ ] nuts hurt. My
[ __ ] legs are killing me." Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The next day you're [ __ ] you
you've been jerked around for 3 hours
and all kinds of muscles are hurting.
You didn't know you had
>> It's as if you've never heard of a Chad.
>> A what?
>> A Chad? the area between your nuts and
your and your and your ball sack that
just kills you after being on a horse.
And I always get the slow one. They're
like, "Ah, he's a little he's a little
slow." You get the [ __ ] horse. I got
to hit it with a [ __ ] rock. Yeah.
Anyways, so so Bundy's in Colorado. He's
having a jaunt. He's having a He's
having himself a winter in Colorado.
What a what a a high fallutin guy. Uh he
kills This had to be spur of the moment.
He killed a cyclist. Denise Oliversson
disappeared while cycling in Grand
Junction. Is that also in Colorado? And
uh Bundy later admitted to killing her.
So clearly he would just see a girl on a
on a bike and take her.
>> Sometimes you can't pass up an
opportunity.
>> That's true. You know, life life passes
you by if you don't reach out and seize
it and
>> am I going to get this opportunity
again? This chick, look at her. There's
nobody around.
>> Dude, this is wild. Nobody's around.
pull up just found her bicycle.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um Lynette Don Culver 1975
May disappears in Pocutello.
Bundy later also confessed to that. Now
he's back in the the Provo Salt Lake
City area. Uh Susan Curtis 15
show.
>> Yeah, totally
>> solid solid cho. Uh solid cho
>> solid cho jacket. We call it having a,
if you're not familiar with prison, he's
got a sex jacket. The 15 will get you a
sex jacket. Uh, 15 years old Mormon girl
disappears from a a youth conference.
Uh, some victims are recovered, some
some are never found. March 75,
uh, in Taylor Mountain, Washington, uh,
also gives investigators physical
evidence concerning several earlier
disappearances. I don't know that that
again though there's no there's very
very little physical evidence.
>> Yeah.
>> This is what you got to remember.
>> Yeah. But this is the beginning of of
like forensics. You know what I'm
saying? Like they're they're still
figuring it out.
>> Yes. And that's when circumstantial
evidence could get you indicted much
easier than it could.
>> Yeah. There's no DNA.
>> Yeah. So they kind of they like we got
to we got to get somebody for this. Um
on August 1675. So now now we're a whole
year and a half after the killing began,
right? Utah Highway Patrol officer Bob
Hayward stops Bundy after suspicious
driving. Not only did he find handcuffs,
he found other kinds of restraints. He
found a hammer.
>> This is the mask.
>> Yes. It was the hammer I forgot about.
>> It was a hammer and it was a ski mask.
>> It's a little uh what do they call it?
It's a It's a um [ __ ] not a rape kit.
It's a uh It's a kill.
>> It's a kill kit. Kill kit.
>> It's It's You know what? It's like a
It's like an Amazon kill kit. I ordered
from Amazon. A mask. Got to have it.
>> Some handcuffs, gloves, a hammer. You
know, it's not like this is not a
[ __ ]
Israel Keys kill, but it's it's a 70s
kill kit. So, this is where he gets the
prison sentence. Okay. Okay. Here we go.
All right. So, it's in 1976 that he
finally gets arrested and convicted of
kidnapping and received a prison
sentence of 1 to 15 years. Can you talk
about who he kidnapped?
The I it's is it the is it the girl on
the uh it's the one with the handcuff
where so one of the girls he approached
one the girl that escaped with the
handcuff
>> he had approached her using a fake badge
saying that I believe that someone had
broke into your vehicle. He stops her in
the parking lot of like a
I want to say it was on campus. Might
have been a mall but I think it was on
campus. He stops her, shows her his
badge, says, "Hey, I believe that your
car is broken into. I'm with the
whatever, you know, the auto breakin
unit, whatever,
>> and says, "Here, hop in my car. We'll
drive over there." And she thought,
"This is strange. Like, this guy's got a
beetle. Like, this is not a normal cop
car." Right.
>> She gets in the vehicle and when she
gets in the vehicle, he slaps the
handcuffs on her and somehow or another
at some point when they're driving, he
slows down. She opens the door and jumps
out of the vehicle with the handcuff.
She takes off running. He does actually
stop to chase her down, but she's
running towards a bunch of people. And
so he sees the people and she turns
around, runs back to his vehicle, jumps
in the vehicle, takes off. She gives a
description of him. The description's
been out there for a while, right?
>> And at some point, he gets pulled over.
I think they see the mask. They see all
the stuff
>> and they've connected now, you know, the
witnesses from Washington saying when he
kidnaps two girls on the same day by the
lake, they've got that.
>> They've got a com they're pulling all of
it together. They're looking for this
person. They arrest him.
>> So, how does he get ID him?
>> How does he Right. So, how does he
initially get arrested? Did he get
pulled over?
>> I think he just pulled over for some
reason.
>> So, this guy's always getting pulled
over. So, he he gets away from that
traffic stop.
>> He gets pul When he escapes, he gets
pulled over. He's always getting pul in
in a in a stolen vehicle, he gets pulled
over. He's a bad driver. I guess
>> this guy's a bad driver. I mean, what's
going on, guy? Like, [ __ ] go to the
speed limit. Stay in the middle lane.
>> He does a U-turn.
>> Yeah,
>> that's how he gets Well, when we get
there, you'll see he does a U-turn. It's
like you stole you're wanted. You have
no license. You're wanted. You're in a
small town. You steal. You're in a
stolen car and you whip a U-turn in
front of a cop. Like, you're dying to
get [ __ ] arrested.
>> That's what I mean. This guy was wild.
He was just He was like a mad man, dude.
He was like he he he lived like uh the
Tasmanian devil. He's just craziness,
dude. So, he gets pulled over, gets
arrested for this kidnapping of that
girl.
>> Yes. and he gets convicted uh and
receives of course a 1970s prison
sentence one to 15 years
>> and and [snorts] you could you could be
out in a year and a half
>> right but by this point
>> however however he gets f and I don't
again history you guys comment below how
do they connect him to the murders which
he gets charged with as he's serving
time for that kidnapping
>> right
>> that But I still don't know. They say
physical evidence. What was it? They did
find hairs.
>> Yeah, there is hair, but there's no It's
not like, you know, you're you're
looking for these rock solid DNA matches
that they just didn't have. Then to
them, it's like, hey, we have a similar
hair.
>> The guy looks similar to the to the uh
composite um sketch
>> and this girl recognizes him and she
said, "This is the guy." And that's
enough to get a life sentence
>> or a death penalty case. It's like it's
not, you know, yes, this is the guy.
They found her hair in his [ __ ]
vehicle, which by the way, they have his
vehicle.
>> They find her hair in the vehicle,
>> like I don't doubt it was her hair,
>> you know. Can you take at that time,
they could not take a hair and say it
was 100% her hair. It was similar in
nature. That's enough.
>> It's enough.
>> It shouldn't be. Damn it. I am for
>> Nobody would have ever been found guilty
of anything if you had to. There was no
DNA.
>> Yeah.
>> This is the best we got. got to got to
catch him went red-handed.
>> And she says it's like she she had a
good look at him. She says this is the
guy.
>> Yeah, she would have testified against
him and then probably they would have
got the other girl from the the Utah
attempted kidnapping.
>> Well, in the first one she does testify
against him.
>> Yes. Correct.
>> This is sort of the kidnapping I'm
talking about. Okay. So, but they they
>> But I'm talking about the murder like
So, he's he's down for kidnapping,
right? Right.
>> And then he gets rearrested while he's
serving time.
>> Yes.
>> For and and is charged with one murder.
one murder out of Utah.
>> Right.
>> Okay. So, he's in Colorado though
serving the time for the Colorado
kidnapping.
>> Yes. And then they extradite him.
>> They're about to He's at Pittkin County
Courthouse in Aspen.
>> Right.
>> Is he fighting the Oh, is this where he
jumps out the window?
>> There you go. I'm getting to it. So,
he's at the Pittkin County Courthouse in
Aspen.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Aspen. Another
beautiful,
>> beautiful play. Again, nobody from
Colorado lives there, but yes, it's it's
a wonderful place for the elites to get
together and uh you know, have underage
male prostitutes. Uh now he is working
at the law library at the piss. By the
way, I didn't know a county courthouse
has a [ __ ] law library. Do county
courthouse jails have law libraries? Is
that normal?
>> Back then, you know, this is in the 70s
or 80s, right? Is this 70s?
>> Yeah, it's 77. Yep.
>> This is back when basically like the
jail like like the people would sleep at
the jail like oh we're going to hire you
as you'll be the jailer and we got an
apartment you could sleep in and you'll
you'll make food for these guys. Like
there's not these aren't massive jails
where they got 200 people living in the
jail. This is we got like four guys. We
got four cells
>> and my wife makes these guys breakfast,
lunch and dinner and I'm the deputy that
takes them to the courthouse and back.
These are some small town America jails,
>> right? Yeah. And not very secure because
this is where Bundy is able to escape
through the second story window from the
law library.
>> Yeah. So, what he does is Bundy decides
that, hey, I'm going to I'm going to act
as my own lawyer.
>> Mhm.
>> And that guy,
>> right? And that gives him access to one,
he he he puts in a motion to be able to
go to court without shackles. So he's
not has no handcuffs on and no leg uh
shackles. So he's able to and the judge
says, "Yeah." He's like, "It's going to
prejudice the jury against me. If they
see me like this, they're going to
think, "Oh, yeah, you're right. I agree
with that." So they let him do that. He
also says, "I'm going to act as my own
attorney. We understand that's your
right. We're going to let you do that.
And I'm g I'm gonna need access as an
attorney. I need access to the legal
library. And so he's now walking being
walked around with the deputy and he's
being allowed to
>> he's got freedom of movement.
>> Yes.
>> Yep.
>> And the deputy cannot be in the room
because I'm preparing my case. So I need
privacy and I was like having the
prosecutor looking over your shoulder.
You got a deputy there. Exactly. So they
would let him go go into the legal
library and they would just periodically
poke their head in a check. The thing is
that it was a nice day. It was a nice
day. You know,
>> I love a nice day in Aspen. I can't
>> beautiful weather. And so they left the
window open because that's what they
did. They want that breeze.
>> Yep.
>> And uh Ted knew that. And once the
deputy poked his head in and then went
back in the hallway, he jumped out the
window.
>> Yeah. And went for it. got it captured
six days later. Got recaptured.
>> So, you know, he ran out in the woods
and and they right away they knew he was
gone. The deputy kind of looks looks
back, but at the same time the deputy
realizes he's gone like somebody came
running into the courthouse saying,
"Hey, did are lawyers jumping out of
windows or is was that an inmate? Like,
what's going on? Some guy jumped out of
the second story window." So, he runs he
takes off running. He gets into the
woods. He finds a cabin. Eventually
finds a cabin that's that nobody's in.
Breaks into the cabin, but there's no
food in it. So, he spends a couple days
with no food.
>> He's getting hungry,
>> right? This goes on for days. Then he's
he's scavenging. He's going into other
he's breaking into other cabins like
like there's maybe a can of beans. Like
he's [ __ ] like I'm starving to death.
And this is days. So finally he realizes
like I'm going to have to go back into
town cuz he was hoping he was going to
be able to go to a cabin and there would
be food there and he'd be able to kind
of hang out,
>> right? And you know it's if he had known
about fasting, you know, if he had been
practicing intermittent fasting,
>> he could have he would should have known
that he could have made it 30 days with
no food.
>> Well, he didn't know that. So he instead
what he thought was, I'm really hungry.
I'm gonna have to go back into town. He
goes back into town. He steals a car. I
don't know how he gets a hold of the
car, but when he's leaving, there's only
like one high. If you've ever been out
there, there's there's mountains, okay?
There's not 50 [ __ ] roads leaving
these places. There's like one main road
in and out,
>> right?
>> He gets on He gets in the vehicle, he
drives, realizes he's headed the wrong
way.
>> Makes a Uturn right in front of a of a
police vehicle. that police ve as he's
driving the they the police Oh, by the
way, they have a um
they have a a roadblock.
>> And so as he's driving towards them, you
know, they radio, hey, this guy just
made a U-turn. Stop him and something's
wrong. What's going on? He they they
turn on their lights and they stop him.
I want to say they stop him at the
roadblock and they they they kind of pin
him in.
>> Yeah. So that's wild.
>> I I I mean I think is that
>> that's wild. But what's even wilder, so
he he's then for some reason sent off to
the Garfield County Jail in Glennwood
Springs. They're like, "Aspen can't hold
this guy.
>> We got him.
>> We got him." Oh, yeah. Oh, high security
over at Glenwood Springs. Nope. He
springs out of that, too.
>> So, in this one, by the way, so in the
Netflix, did you watch the Netflix one?
>> He actually starves himself. So, he
realizes he can get out. So they have a
light in the cell and he realizes I can
shift the light and there's a hole here.
I can get into the into the kind of like
the attict area of the jail. So
>> but in order to get through parts of it,
he he needs to lose more weight. So
literally for like a week or so, he's
kind of starving himself over the course
of a week or two. loses a bunch of
weight and it allows him to get up,
>> slither through
>> and slip through there and drop into
the jailer's
um uh apartment and walk out the front
door,
>> dude. This guy's like El Chapo.
>> [ __ ] amazing, right?
>> Just [ __ ] just breaking out of [ __ ]
dude. And
>> and when you get out, so you you're
you're whatever Ted Bundy.
>> Yeah. Get out of jail. What are you
doing? Are you fleeing the country?
>> How do you Yeah.
>> If you're us.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Not Bundy.
>> Not Bundy.
>> Bundy could the one place he couldn't
even get out of the town. He's up in the
[ __ ] woods like he can't even escape
the town.
>> By the way, and this is in Florida where
he basically
>> No, no, no. This is this is Glenwood
Springs. So,
>> No, I'm talking about before when he was
in in Colorado like in Aspen
>> is is right.
>> When he got out of there, he got he
barely got out of town. He's basically
staying in a cabin. I'm saying he
couldn't. It's not like if it's Florida,
you can just start walking. Yeah,
>> you'll find something. These are
mountains.
>> No, I know that. But if is Glenwood
Springs in Florida?
>> No,
>> it's in Colorado. He's talking about
what would we do if we escaped the
second time.
>> I understand that. I'm I'm just going
back to He had different problems,
right? like in in that area,
like if I got out and I'm in that area,
I'm in a I got a real problem. I just
like him, I have a problem because the
truth is is how do you even get out of
this area depending on what time of year
it is? Like you could freeze to death
trying to just walk in Florida. If it
was Florida and it was Hillsboro County,
I just start walking through the woods.
I'm going to find something somewhere.
I'm not going to die in the woods in
Florida. I'm just going to keep walking.
I'm It's not gonna get so cold I'm gonna
die. Like in there it's mountains. It's
treacherous. There's wild animals. You
You could freeze to death. You could
fall.
>> This is December 30th, too.
>> Oh my god. I mean, he's frozen.
>> But he gets out of there, though. He He
probably steals a car again.
>> No, no, I'm talking about I'm I'm going
back to the original time, but Yeah. So,
here it's the same problem. You You and
I would have the same problem there.
>> Yeah.
>> At in that situation. I just don't want
to make it sound like, oh, I just go do
if I was in in an if you can escape that
general area. Yeah, you could if I could
get some money, if I could. Now, Bundy's
willing to do things I'm not willing to
do. Like, he's willing to go bash some
people in the head and steal their
wallets.
>> Right. Right. So, do you think that's
the reason he heads to Florida? Cuz he
needs that. He needs some sunshine. It's
the middle of [ __ ] winter. He's cold.
He's hungry. May because once he
slithers out of the place and he walks
out the front door, steals a vehicle, he
is gone. This time he's gone.
>> He's gone
>> because he's able to steal the vehicle
before they even know he's gone.
>> Right. Exactly. So he's out. He doesn't
get pulled over this time. He makes it
all the way to Florida. You're right.
Instead of laying low, he just heads I
don't know how he knows about, hey, I'm
going to head to Florida State
University in Tallahassee. You know,
most people think Florida, oh, I'm going
to go to I'm going to go to Miami. I'm
gonna head to Fort Lauderdale. No. So,
it was a strange he picked kind of like
I don't know a more low-key place. Who
knows why? It's also like you could
drive there from it's it's one of the
first big cities after you enter
Florida. Right.
>> Right.
>> So, he rents a room near Florida State
University
under an assumed name. I don't know how
he has any money at this point.
>> Yeah. They never really explained
where's he getting this money. Is he
robbing people? Izzy, like how hard is
it to come up with money, especially
now? How would you come up with Nobody
who's carrying money,
>> right? But back then, you know, you rent
a room in Tallahassee for [ __ ] 50
bucks a month.
>> It's nothing. It's nothing.
>> So, he could he could be breaking into
places. I mean, the guy was the guy was
a survivor. He was resourceful, right?
He figured it out.
>> Burglarizing places. You think he's
burglarizing places?
>> Probably. Probably. Or
>> no, he has no ID.
>> How's he getting ID?
>> He didn't He didn't need ID in Florida
back then to rent a room. Like, hey, you
don't know me. I don't know you, miss.
You're, you know, you're smoking
cigarettes indoors with your kids. Just
here's some money, right? Uh early on
January 15th, he enters the Kyle Mega
House. So, he targeted sorority row,
right,
>> at Florida State University. Uh and he
just breaks into the in the Wii hours.
>> He actually doesn't break in. The front
door was unlocked.
>> Unlocked. You [ __ ] believe Oh, the
70s, right?
>> Oh, they were good times. And it's guys
like this that really ruin the whole not
gonna leave my doors unlocked. It's
Tallahassee. Yeah. Everybody knows each
other.
>> Yeah. Jess would do that because she
grew up in like Okachobee, right? And
she would like used to, you know, she'd
why we've been walking out and I get you
lock the door and she'd go, "Um, what do
you mean?" Um, and I turn around, walk,
you'd open the door, she's like, "We're
just going up the street to the we're
going to be back in 30 minutes." I'm
like, "The [ __ ] are you doing? Like this
isn't Okachobee. Like this is the big
city.
[laughter]
It's Wesley Chapel. Oh my god. In the
suburbs. You lock your door.
>> You don't know what these [ __ ]
neighbors kids are doing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We'd be breaking in. So
Bundy's living in a rooming house near
Florida State University. Uh early in
the morning on January 15th. He goes
down to the Kai Omega house on Sorority
Row at Florida State and enters through
the unlocked front door and then just
look goes into a room, kills Margaret
Bowman, 21, and Lisa Levy, murders them.
Like he clubs them to death. What does
he does he rape them? Does he
>> I mean I'm assuming
>> because now you're in you're in a house
filled with there's so many people that
live in those big ass sorority houses.
Like you don't have much time, right?
>> He takes his time. God. [sighs]
He chokes to death one girl and then ch
grabs the other one and kills her and
then rapes them and then he moves on to
another room.
>> So, he's able to do this while
everybody's probably passed out drunk.
Let's face it.
>> Might have had a I I don't know what he
had with him. I don't know if he stabbed
him to death. I know there was blood.
There was lots of blood. So, I'm
assuming he had a knife
>> probably. And so, kills him right away
and then has their way has his way with
them. He was He was necro. He was in a
necro too, right?
>> What was the um what what's the recent
one where it's a it's also like a there
was a bunch of kids living together
where a guy what's his name broke in
with a knife and killed them all. Killed
like four people.
>> Oh, at uh Boise.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Or not Boise. Uh the Idaho Idaho
State.
>> Yeah. They call it the Idaho Four.
>> Yeah.
>> Something like that. Yeah.
>> Crazy. Terrible way to die. They were
both in the in bed together. There was
two people in the same room.
>> That's true. That's true. So then he
also attacks Kathy Kleiner and Karen
Chandler, but they survived. Uh but they
got [ __ ] up. It sounds like within an
hour, Cheryl Thomas uh is attacked at a
nearby residence and survive. So he's
going on these like bursts of just like
I It's so crazy. It's so I mean put up
against other serial killers. It's like,
okay, I'm going to kill and then
retreat.
>> Yeah, I'm good for a month.
>> No, he's he's a savage.
>> No savage. I need to I need to attack
five people in one morning. Um, sorority
resident Nita Neri sees a man leaving
the area and later provides
identification evidence. Uh, so again,
now he's out on the lamb. I don't know
if the news is connecting him because
now he's over the news. Like he's like
he's wanted now. You know what I mean?
Like he's his face is on the news. This
is like he's he's there's a manhunt for
him, an active manhunt for him. uh
February to April in 1978. This is when
he heads down to uh Lake City,
Pensacola, and Sani County.
>> Is that closer to Miami?
>> Where is that?
>> Pensacola.
>> Pensacola.
>> Pensacola is further towards like Al
like Mississippi.
This is still northern Florida.
>> The panhandle,
>> right? So, this is still Okay. Panhandle
[ __ ] All right. February 9th, 78.
Kimberly. Oh, a 12year-old. A.
>> Mhm. She's just walking to I think she
Does she leave school or is she walking
to school?
>> Uh she is leaving Lake City Junior High
School, right?
>> Yeah. So, this is a 12-year-old. This is
now we're in real Cho.
>> Yeah,
>> we're in CHO. Deep in CHO territory
territory.
>> Deep Cho waters. Uh witnesses and
vehicle evidence later connect Bundy to
her abduction. Again, this is all
>> he said. I witness, you know what I
mean? Would never hold up now. Not with
John Mitchell uh defending him. Sir.
Sir, I will defend your right. The FBI
adds Bundy to the 10 most wanted list.
Okay. So, this is February 10th. They
added him to the 10 most wanted
fugitives list. So, this is where it's
like that's the earliest version.
>> National news. It's everywhere.
>> Uh February 15th, Pensacola officer
David Lee stops Bundy while he's driving
a stolen vehicle.
>> A Volkswagen.
>> Oh, dude.
>> He loves the bugs.
>> Loves the bugs. This guy was a great
brand ambassador for uh Volkswagen.
>> Yeah. for
>> sure. They were thrilled.
>> Yeah. Well, dude, hey, we got through
the Nazis. I think we'll survive.
[laughter]
>> Survive Bundy.
>> Exactly. Uh on April 7th that uh Diane
Leech, the 12-year-old's remains were
found near Sani State Park. So now he's
cooked. Now his his goose is officially
cooked. So that is
he starts killing in 74.
>> He tries to get away from the cop, by
the way. Yeah.
>> He struggles with the cop. The cop gets
like on one [ __ ] handcuff and then he
swings around and swings on the cop and
the cop just drops him.
>> Drops his skinny ass. Yeah. Cuz he's
got, if you know, when he gets caught,
you see his face is swollen. Like he And
then when he does get him in the back of
the patrol car, he tells him, "You're
probably going to get a medal for this
or something." Like he says something,
but see, he doesn't give him his his
name. He gives him the name of a uh like
a an athlete at um at the university,
but the athlete is kind of famous
>> and so they know they've arrested
somebody. They don't know it's Bundy.
>> So the a newspaper article comes out
or or it just because this is just kind
of local news, right? Like they they're
covering there's not a lot going on
here. It's it's a newspaper article or
um and I want to say I think it's a l
newspaper article that comes out and the
he get the athlete gets contacted
>> by someone saying hey man this says you
just got arrested. He's like what? So he
calls the local police department and
says hey that's not me. You don't have
me. And they go oh okay. And then they
so they're checking and checking. They
run his fingerprints and back then it
took days
>> right? And then eventually they come
back and they get the phone call. They
because Bundy will not really he says
this is my name. They're like, "We know
that's not your name." He said, "Well,
that is my name."
>> And then they they eventually like a
week later or something, 5 days later,
they come back and they say, "You're Ted
Mundy."
>> Well, we got a fish. Yeah, we got a big
fish. So, okay. So, they extradite him
to Miami.
>> Okay.
>> To stand trial. I'm not really sure why
because it's a I mean, there's so much
going on here. There's a lot going on
here. So basically, they're charging
him. They're not extraditing him to
Washington. They're not extraditing him
to Colorado. This is the the the two the
murder of the two girls from Florida
State. So, I would think they have even
less evidence on these murders than they
do on the ones from Colorado or
Washington, right? Because it really is
just eyewitnesses. Yeah. Right. Now,
>> but also the bite mark. Well, that
that's they don't have a lot, but they
they come up with the bite mark
information,
>> right? Right. So, he bites one of the
girls on her butt cheek. I think one of
the dead girls, too,
>> right?
>> And because this becomes
going back now, we we know that he would
bite he would do this.
>> Yeah. And he also bites the uh one of
his victims on the breast. He has two
bite marks on the breast,
>> right? Okay. So, now he's in the county
jail in Miami where it's super secure.
uh and he's he's up for these two
murders right now. They got to get the
bite mark. We know this is basically
pseudocience
>> in this day.
>> But at the time that they they they
weren't acting like it was they were
acting like it was a fingerprint.
>> So the jailer, according to him, the
jailer was like, I came up with that
idea. Bundy gave him a clue. Bundy was
because he would talk. He built a
relationship.
>> The evidence is there.
>> Yeah. The evidence is there. Just can't
find it.
>> Right. Exactly. And so he said, "Oh, I
think he's talking about the bite
marks." So they need to get Bundy. He
created a contraption and got a a judge
to sign off that you can use basically
any force you want to to get a bite mark
out of him.
>> Right. So yeah. So they they grab they
take Bundy, they walk him out of his
jail. He thinks they're going to bring
him and take like a photograph or
something of him. And then when he gets
they so they leave the they leave the
jail and they bring him to what appears
to be kind of like a whatever a doctor's
office. He doesn't really realize it's a
dentist office. So when he gets in there
and they open the door, he kind of steps
back cuz he sees the dentist and a bunch
of people in lab coats and and and he
they read him they let him read or they
read him the um warrant.
>> Mhm. and he reads it and it says, "I'm
allowed to take a a cast of your mouth,
your teeth
>> to try to match that."
>> Yeah.
>> And today, any good [ __ ] appeals
court, any good appeal judge is tossing
that.
>> Well, I think they would still use it.
They just explain, "Look, this is this
is not a fingerprint." Back then, they
were acting like it was a fingerprint.
Like, this is this is as good as a
fingerprint. No, it's not.
>> No, it's not. But he did have very
specific teeth.
>> He did. He had like some na gnarly kind
of pointy jagged. Uh especially like his
canine teeth were like real sharp.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah. His teeth were really
pretty. Like I can only imagine.
>> That's what I mean. Not a great looking
guy, dude. This guy was [ __ ] evil
>> back then. 70s
>> again.
>> The bar was so low. So uh [laughter]
so anyway, he uh they take the cast.
>> He's decently articulate. He drives a
Volkswagen Beetle, you know. He wears
nice sweaters. He's a five. So what? His
teeth are [ __ ] up. Oh man.
>> He's a 1970s 8.
>> That's crazy,
>> right? Like he's a he's a a
2020s.
>> He's like a four.
>> Four, but
>> he's a 1977.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So
>> seven, seven and a half. Yeah.
>> So uh anyway, what happens is uh I
remember the video where the guy can can
>> Yeah. The sheriff's name was K. Yeah.
>> And he says, and he tells him, "We're
going to get your we're going to get
this
>> this uh um cast of your teeth
>> one where I'm allowed to use I'm allowed
to use force." And he shows him this
device that the um that the morticians
used to open up jaws with. And they're
like, "We can use this." And he said,
"Can you know I'm not a violent person?
Of course you can take the cast." and he
lays down and lets him take the cast.
They have photographs of it and
everything.
>> He kind of smiles a little bit like,
"You got me."
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> He knows it's over.
>> I'm not a violent person.
>> So, they take the cast. They have this
new kind of pseudocience
uh dentist guy, forensic dentist get on
the stand and basically during the
during the trial and say that this is
proof. This is, you know, based on our
eyewitness, which really doesn't have a
great isn't a great witness, and the
fact that this guy lived two blocks away
from the house.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, and you know,
>> no hair,
>> no hair, no fingerprints, nothing. But
we think he did it. And, uh, we've got
this this bite impression. And so, yeah,
boom, that's it. Death penalty. And for
the for the really sophisticated,
upwardly mobile people of Florida, that
was enough for them to convict him.
>> Yeah. And so
>> smart people,
>> he gets uh he gets the death penalty.
>> Yep. He's So he's sentenced to uh Yeah.
two death sentences basically for both
both girls. Um
>> and keep in mind, too, he he did also he
attacked two other women.
>> Yes. Almost killed,
>> but they didn't they didn't die,
>> right? Um, he's then rearrested and
charged in 1980 uh for Kimberly Leech's
kidnapping and murder. The disappeared
12-year-old. Okay. So, in 1980, I don't
know why it I don't I don't know why it
took them a year and a half, two years,
uh, or a year after the conviction of
the Kyomega girls. I don't know why it
took them a year to because there's
probably no evidence at all. They just
need to get a grand jury or get a jury
to a grand jury to indict him. They
probably had to convene three of them.
We want to execute this guy. Give
another [ __ ] charge.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> hey guys, we this guy
>> he did it.
>> Really? How do you know?
>> No problem. We'll we'll we'll find him
guilty. So,
>> I I hate I hate the people of Florida.
Anyways, you guys aren't the people of
Florida.
>> You know what I mean? Anyway,
>> I'm talking about people that go to the
Gator games.
>> Listen,
>> uh
>> I wish Jess was here cuz she he loves
>> she likes the Gator games. Okay. So,
>> so she'd be like, "This guy, he's just
he's just endearing himself more and
more every time I'm around him." Um, but
yeah, he uh Yeah, it's a big law and
order state. So,
>> right, Law and Order except when we're
prosecuting. We don't really We don't
need any evidence.
>> It's Ted Bundy. He's escaped twice. He's
bashing people's heads in. It's him.
>> God, you're the jury in 1977. This is
the guy they did the Netflix documentary
on. Sorry,
Netflix. the streaming service.
What the hell you talking about?
>> He did it. All right.
>> Sure. Sure got a pretty mouth.
>> Anyway,
>> they they want somebody to go down for
this. You know what I mean?
>> He because he was guilty of a jury found
him guilty. So anyway,
>> he did end up confessing. So he did.
>> Oh, ultimately
>> they got the right guy, but they've
gotten a lot of not the right guys.
>> Well, not in this case. So, in this
case, once again, found guilty, death
penalty case. And uh the
>> So, he's incarcerated at the Florida
State Prison near Stark, Florida. Right.
>> He's facing execution, but he provides
investigators with accounts of
approximately 30 killings.
>> So, yeah, the guy he spills it. He
spills it.
>> Yeah. Towards the end, so what happens
is initially he starts meeting with the
FBI and giving them information on the
Green River killer. remember they were
still looking for Gary Gary Rididgeway,
right?
>> And he writes a letter to the FBI who's
investigating that and says, "I think I
might be able to help you." And he
explains to them and he even the
investigators said,
>> and this was the detectives, by the way,
not the FBI. This is the detectives came
down. They even said he actually gave us
some really good information that we did
not know and weren't thinking about. One
of it was one of the pieces they he told
them he said we weren't able to do this
but it was actually it is actually a
great idea. He said next time you find a
body don't let anybody know if it's
still fresh like it's only been a few
days. They said set up a stake out and
wait because there's a very good chance
that the Green River killer will come
back.
>> How did Bundy know that? because he had
done it multiple times. He had found a
body, left the body, and revisited the
body until it became so putrid that he
they no longer gave him sexual
satisfaction. Like there's so many
maggots and everything that he just he'd
get there and be like, "Ah, the smell,
the maggots, I'm not interested."
>> And he explained that they would
position the the he probably will
position the body in a sexual pos like
he gave all these things that he had
done. And he used to call the he called
Gary Rididgeway the uh the Green River
man. And so they actually were like,
"Look, had we been able to find a body
and sit on it, it was a great idea. It
just we just never got to that point."
>> That's fascinating.
>> And there were several things that Bundy
told them that they said were really
great insights cuz Bundy was doing
anything to let
>> um to let the court system know and the
law enforcement know, keep me alive. I
can be of use to you. He was dripping
these these pieces of information. He
was dripping the killings
>> and then like a week before he's he
realizes cuz they kept he kept getting
postponements.
>> Mhm.
>> And so about a week before he realized
the only thing that can stop this at
this point is a pardon or a stay of the
execution from the governor. He starts
confessing. I can help you solve other
crimes. and he starts saying, "Look,
this crime here, I did it. This one
here, here's how I did it. This one
here, here's where the bodies are. This
one here, like I can help."
>> Were those proven to be credible?
>> Um, I don't know if they were credible
because he died a week later, but he's
ready to He's negotiating. He's not
giving up everything.
>> But I mean, did were his confessions,
his rushed confessions, did they
actually go find later on after he was
dead that there were remains there?
Well, no, I don't know that he I don't
know that that he gave up the exact
locations of bodies as much as he
basically
>> identities
>> ident like, "Hey, I did kill this
person. I did dispose of them. I can
give you the location." Like, he's
trying to negotiate.
>> And the governor was like, "I'm not
negotiating. He'll be dead and those
people will just will never find the
remains." And tough [ __ ] I'm not going
to have this guy [ __ ] stay alive.
>> And plus, like, he probably didn't even
know the identities of a lot of those
people. Well, I don't think he or you
know, maybe he knew where some of these
bodies were.
>> So then local law enforcement could have
connected them, but it's not the feds.
It's like
>> they don't care.
>> The governor is not going to go to
Colorado and Yeah.
>> The governor of Florida is concerned
about Florida. You do what you want in
your state. This is my state. This guy
killed three of my citizens. I want him
dead.
>> Yeah. There's no evidence, but you know,
doesn't matter. Hey, we don't care about
the Constitution here in Florida, even
though we say we do. Okay. I'm the real
American. Anyways, you know how much I
love Florida. You know how much I Do you
know how much I love Florida?
>> You know you said
>> like I come into Florida and I get
happy. I mean it.
>> Well then why don't you why don't you
move to Florida?
>> You know because it's of of governors
like that. It's because of guys with no
teeth that are the sheriffs and they
wear cowboy hats and overalls.
>> They're the best.
[laughter]
>> They're the best. You [ __ ] Yankee.
What are you doing? You got yourself a
Paulo C. Say just start every sing. Yes,
sir. No, sir.
>> Yes, sir. Of course. Of course you can
search my vehicle. That's not a problem.
Of course.
>> But you have no warrant and nothing.
>> Stop. Stop with all that Yankee [ __ ]
[laughter]
Get out of the vehicle. Yes, sir.
>> Listen, these are the guys you want to
show up when someone breaks in your
house.
>> No,
>> they're going to shoot.
>> Nobody breaks into my house.
>> Nobody breaks into my house.
>> They're going to shoot first and then
they're going to say, "Pretty sure that
was a guy. [laughter]
Might have might have been one of your
neighbors.
>> Oh, damn it. That was your That was your
elder elderly neighbor. Ladies and
gentlemen, on January 24th, 1989, an
innocent Ted Bunny was executed in the
electric chair. They gave him the chair.
Dude, this guy was
>> uh age 20 uh age 42 rather. Boy, he
lived a life though. Like he got it in.
>> Yeah,
>> he was I read I'm reading um Have you
ever read Marcus Aurelius? Obviously
not. Uh hey
>> there you go about it. I haven't read it
but I know about it.
>> You've heard so the famous con uh um
it's his philosophy on on life and this
is written 200 years ago and I I was
reading something and it was basically
like just a man
>> your purpose is to do what you're here
you're put on earth to do and to do it
leave nothing leave nothing left when
you're gone. Ted Bunny he completed
that. He left nothing on the table, you
know.
>> Yeah, he did it his way.
>> I did it my
way.
>> Wonder what what were Ted Bundy's last
words.
>> Interesting. You think we could chat?
>> We should probably everybody that was
killed. We should probably cuz I like
the Eene Warner Waros. I like her last
words. I wonder what Bundy's last.
>> What were her last words?
>> Oh, some unintelligible. I'll be back
like I'm with the Rock. [laughter] I'll
be back like Independence Day June 6th.
>> The movie. She quoted the movie.
Independence Day.
>> The Rock. Like I'm with The Rock. Like
what?
>> Yeah. Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Ted
Body's final words before his execution.
He goes, "Jim and Fred, I'd like you to
give my love to my family and friends."
>> A Who's Jim? Jim Coleman, his attorney,
and Fred Lawrence, a Methodist minister
who had been providing spiritual
counsel. Oh, wow. That's nice, right?
>> Did he have any friends left?
>> Who? Bundy. Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. He got married in prison. Um,
he
>> talk about that. Yeah. Talk about that.
>> Yeah. He got married to some some some
chick in prison. I think he got her
pregnant. I think he got some jizz out.
>> He smuggled some some jizz out.
>> Yeah.
>> Really?
>> I think so. Did he Did Ted Bundy get
this chick pregnant
>> and she just turkey basted it into her?
God,
you [snorts] are dying alone.
>> I'm not, dude. I'm gonna fall in love.
>> A biker chick.
>> [ __ ] biker chick. [laughter]
>> YES.
>> WHOA. THAT'S WILD.
>> FATHERED a daughter.
>> GET THE [ __ ] OUT OF HERE.
>> He He really did leave no stone
unturned.
>> Yo, this guy lived. His daughter, Rose
Bundy, sometime sometimes called Rosa,
was born October 24th, 1982. Her mother,
Carol Anne Boon, married Bundy during
his 1980 murder trial in Florida.
Although conjugal visits were not
permitted, Boon reportedly visited
Bundry frequently, and the couple
allegedly managed No, bro. Somebody on
the inside let her in. This is a
Florida. This is Miami count maximum
security county jail. still in the 80s,
you know, back in the That's what I
mean. I know a guy who had been locked
up for like six years
>> and got his girlfriend pregnant.
>> Yeah, but that's in the pen, bro. That's
still not easy to do. But that's prison,
>> right?
>> This is county. This is
>> Yeah, but you She comes enough and the
guards get used to him and say, "Yeah,
you can go in this room or you're in
this visitation room or special visits
or whatever." And he says, "Well, I'm
going to be out here. You guys be cool."
and he goes out there and comes back and
they say, "Hey, let's rub one out."
>> Dude, I the 80s. The 80s.
>> Good times. That's back when guys were
like, "You could escape from county
jail." And I
>> and then come back.
>> Of course, I told you the one guy that
got escaped.
>> So, there was a guy they called him um
his name was Old Man Jim. Old man Jim
was doing this is funny. They've been
trying to get him, right? He was a part
of kind of like a biker gang kind of. I
don't know if he was I don't know what
biker gang were, but he was kind of a
fill. He was basically a tough guy, kind
of, you know, a rebel kind of outlaw
guy.
>> And he had killed several people.
And so finally the cops, the local
county, I don't even know what, some
county in Florida, they got him for it
and he's about to go to trial. And like
a two weeks beforehand, they give you
they gave his lawyer the list of of
witnesses. And he knew they had some
witnesses. So he gets the witness list
and he escapes like the next day. So
he's got something like six people,
let's say. I don't remember exactly how
many it was, but let's say it's six
people. Six people on the list. By the
way, I think four of the six are women
and they had were witnesses to a murder
he had committed,
>> right? He gets out, he escapes, like go
go goes in the yard and throws like his
shirt over some barb wire and just jumps
the fence because they don't have a big
enough budget to watch these [ __ ]
guys. Like he just escapes. And so he
escapes. And then a year later, he walks
into the same county jail and says,
"Hey, my name is Jim so ando. You I know
there's a warrant for me." And they look
and they go, "Holy [ __ ] Jim." And they
put cuffs on him and bring him inside.
And so three, four months later, they're
he he's like, "I'm his lawyer." Well,
his lawyer shows up a week later and
he's like, "Hey, what's up?" He's like,
"I'm ready to go to trial." They go,
"Okay, cool." So, three months later,
>> they schedule the trial. They
rescheduled it. Obviously, they go to
trial and just before trial,
they start finding out that we can't
locate these [ __ ] witnesses. Well,
like two of them are dead. Four of them
are just missing. One of them died from
a gunshot wound. One was found in the
woods tied to a stump, beat to death.
Um, and then the other four are just
they just can't find the bodies. They
don't they can't find they disappeared.
They they're finding. So, it took him a
year to hunt down all of the victims and
sh and then he turns himself in when he
knows all these witnesses are gone. So,
they put an ext they extend the give us
some more time to find these people. So
anyway, 6 months later when they finally
come in and say, "We have to drop the
charges. We can't find any of the
witnesses." And he walks right out of
jail.
>> That is early 80s.
>> Wild, bro. That is so [ __ ] gangster.
That is [ __ ] inc. That's like a whole
episode.
>> I told you.
>> Can you Can we find him?
>> Oh, he's got Jim's got to be like in his
[ __ ] 80s. He And when he got, by the
way, when he got out of his federal
sentence was probably when I met him
about five, six years away. he was going
to go he had had to go to the state of
Florida
but the state of Florida the charges
that ended up sticking that they got him
for said everybody that was sentenced
got parole you so my expectation is as
soon as I go to Florida I'm going to see
the parole board and I'll be parrolled
because everybody else was you they have
to parole me six guys I was indicted
with all got parrolled 20 years ago or
10 years ago I was like wow so it's
funny I have another story about Jim one
time I was sitting and we can stop one
time you'll love this
We painted. We were in the paint room.
So we would paint paint.
>> What was his floor? What was his federal
sentence?
>> Drugs. The feds get him on drugs. He
goes to trial. He get like [ __ ] 30
years or something. It's ridiculous,
right?
>> After he beat a murder.
>> Of course he they can't get him on the
murder. So the feds come in, arrest him.
You know, there's no fighting it. So he
goes to trial, loses 30 years.
>> So one day we're painting, right? And we
would paint and stuff. And you know,
it's you don't have storage. Like they
tell you finish the painting, send it
home, finish the painting. So but he was
working on a couple different paintings.
And [snorts] so he was kind of you kind
of try and hide your paintings right in
the And so one day this female guard
walks in. And she goes, "Whose paintings
is this?"
>> And he was like, "That's
>> you're not allowed to have paintings."
>> No, you you can't have multiple
canvases. You get a canvas, you work on
it, you finish it, you send it home, you
you start your next one. He would do two
or three
>> cuz he painted in oils and oils take a
day or two to dry. So he'd work on
multiples at the same time. And he'd
just kind of hide them, you know, or and
a lot of times he'd be like, "Hey, can
we put your name on this because you're
not painting anything, right? You sent
yours home. So you could Yeah. Yeah.
We'll put my name on, you know, you you
help each other." In this particular
case, he had a painting. They were like,
"Who's Wh who's is this?" No, nothing.
He goes, "That's mine." And the guard,
the female guard, this the black woman
turned around and said, "I've told you
I've told you not to do this. You're not
allowed to work on multiple. I'm sick of
that." And she's yelling at him in front
of everybody and all of a sudden he just
he goes he's like six foot tall but kind
of hunch and he just goes [laughter]
[snorts]
and she's like what what's so funny?
He's like I'm sorry it's not funny. It's
my fault. I apologize. I'm I'm sorry.
She's like you better figure out what to
do with this painting. He's like I will
I will I'm sorry. And he stops and she
walks off and she's furious. And so he
and I I so let I walk up to him and I go
we we were actually leaving. We were
walking out later together. I liked him.
He was an old guy. He walked funny
because like his knees were shot and he
sort of walk kind of funny and we're
walking out of the thing during the move
and I said I why'd you start laughing?
What were you laughing about? And he
said, "I was thinking to myself,
this [ __ ] [ __ ] is screaming at me
and if we were on the street, I'd cut
her [ __ ] head off and throw it in the
trunk of my car and drive around with it
for a couple of weeks." He, but when I'm
in prison, he said, "And I just got a
ticket." [laughter]
He kind of chuckled. He said, "I just
thought it was kind of funny." And uh so
but he said, "But yeah, I shouldn't have
laughed. I should have
>> Wow, dude. Big gym." I remember I had a
buddy of mine came to me and said, "You
really like big Jim or old Jim old man
Jim?" And I was like, "Yeah." I said, "I
I think he's he's pretty cool, right?" I
said, "He's a cool guy." He goes, "He is
a cool guy."
>> This was uh this guy's name was D.
Geronimo. He was one of the pretendians,
the fake Indians.
>> Um, everybody thought he was Indian
because his name was Djono, but it's in
fact it's actually Italian. Uh, and he
and he I he goes, "You like old old man
Jim, don't you?" I said, "Yeah, he's
pretty cool, right?" He goes, "He is
cool." He is cool. He said, "But
you have to know that those witnesses
that he hunted down, he said four of
them were women."
>> Yeah.
>> He goes, "They were women." He said,
"And all they were doing was doing what
he said what anybody should do," which
is, "Hey, I was there when this guy
killed my friend's boyfriend."
>> Yeah. That's the thing about meeting
inmates that you you you take a shine
to, cuz then you're like, "Ah." So, you
look under the hood.
>> Yeah. Some of them are horrible people
deep down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But unlike
>> I like to think he'd aged out of it. He
was A GOOD GUY.
>> YEAH. People can change.
>> Bundy. Bundy at 82 may have been
>> totally different guy.
>> A great guy.
>> Totally different guy. You know, young
man, we do things when we're young.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's just young and stupid.
>> Can I Can I
>> Young, dumb, and full of [ __ ] is what my
buddies used to say.
>> This guy and Bunny was full of [ __ ] Can
we see
>> this whole time I just want to see a
picture? Can we find a photo of Rose
Bundy? That blows my mind. I would be
making I would be on every I would be
making so much money off of this if I
was Rose.
>> She should have her own podcast. She
should have her own true crime podcast.
>> Yeah. What What are we doing?
>> That's there's no adult.
>> That's the girl. That's the daughter
little girl.
>> Pull up that. Make sure to show this
photo in post. That is the creepiest
[ __ ] thing I've ever seen. Wow.
Imagine
>> they they guard just said, "Yeah, go
back there. You can have a contact
visit." They don't give you contact
visits when you're in the county jail
for a DUI for the weekend.
>> Yeah.
>> You're through talking through glass.
This guy's
>> You guys go rub one out. Go rub one out,
guys. I like you. You've been cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Rub one out. And boom.
>> He's a model inmate. Look, you escaped
two two prison.
>> No adult picture of this chick. No adult
picture.
>> That's crazy.
>> Yeah. They're like the guards like
you've escaped twice, but you you
haven't tried to escape this this jail.
Yeah.
>> So, yeah. Go back there.
>> Yeah. Go get a a Biggie Burger. Remember
the Biggie? Did you have the Biggie
burgers? And did you ever get visit
visits? You could you could go in go
into the visitation and they'd have the
uh vending machines and you could get
big. It was like a Big Z burger. Bigies.
>> It's like one of those like
>> Biggies burger.
>> It's one of those like microwavable
burgers. O,
>> they were so good.
>> They were delicious. Especially after
eating prison food for two or three
weeks and you get a Big Eas burger and
it had bacon
>> and it had Yeah. bacon that you can you
can you can freeze dry bacon
>> and cheese.
>> Yeah. That's the market for those aromar
foods.
>> Yeah.
>> That's why they want to keep That's why
they want to keep you in prison for
longer than most people get.
>> Mustard and mayo.
>> Yeah.
>> Heat it up.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh All right. They don't have a picture
of her as an adult. uh unfortunately.
But
>> if you know her, if you know her,
>> let's track her down. Let's get her on
the uh
>> Yeah. Look,
>> see how she feels.
>> Oh, I love that. Get her on uh He was
just dad.
>> Yeah. Miss him. She's She should be
running a true crime podcast. She has
more right to be on this show than than
Johnny Mitchell and I do.
>> Uh all right, you guys tell them what
you can do. Tell them what they should
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this stuff anywhere else.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of it
>> you can't even you can't even get it on
the internet.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> sometimes it's uh we're just It's off
the muscle.
>> It's off the Wow. That was Wow.
Wow. that I mean that was the blackest
[ __ ] I've ever heard you say. That was
[ __ ] awesome.
>> Pretty impressive.
>> That was off off the muscle.
>> Uh and overall guys,
>> let's be positive.
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