Yet another spouse kill their spouse.
>> This guy is done with his wife. She
caught him putting a seditive in her
drink. This seems like one of the most
common reasons for homicide.
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another spouse kill their spouse. Now,
Matthew, this seems like one of the most
common reasons for homicide, does it
not?
>> Yeah. I always love that that Tik Tok
where they say, "Look at your spouse
besides you." and they said, "This is
the most likely person to kill you."
That's always, you know, people are
looking in their eyes and then the
person says that and they're like,
>> "Hey, it's just a fact over money."
>> But also,
>> oh no, sometimes it's sometimes it's
sex. Sometimes it's it's they they find
somebody else and they want to just get
rid of you. Or it's si or like the video
we watched last week. You guys are both
drunks and you get in a drunken brawl
and then your wife pulls out a gun and
[ __ ] puts three in you. That's a
that's a reason.
>> Yeah, I think she shot him because she
thought there was money because she
spent all of his money.
>> She did. She cracked into the safe, got
1.5 out of this [ __ ] S. Um, but
here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Marriage really People don't like
feeling trapped. You know, a lot of
people get robbed and don't get killed.
A lot of people get cheated on and don't
get killed. Marriage, I mean, is it
proof?
People saying, "The only way I can get
out of this prison that I've created for
myself, this legal prison,
is through homicide." Matt, are we do
the do the Muslim guys and the the
Africans with the multiple wives, are
they on to something?
>> Well, I don't know why you would do
that. Seriously, just don't get married.
You don't have to get married,
>> but if you want to get married, if
you're if you want to get married, just
have three or four wives because then if
wife one is pissing you off, then you
just go see wife two, and then you could
dump all your problems about wife one
onto wife two, etc., etc. One cleans the
best, one cooks the best, one is a good
listener, she kind of one's kind of
dumb, like actually a low IQ, kind of a
[ __ ] you know, but she's got a
sloppy mouth.
you know.
>> All right, come on. Let's move forward.
What are we doing? Let's
>> I'm just trying to set the video up. I'm
trying to say that it seems like a lot
of spouses now. We've seen spouses we've
talked about spouses on this show that
have killed their their partners with
fentanyl. We've we've seen spouses shoot
their their partners to death. Matt, how
else have we seen spouses kill their
spouses?
>> Uh poison. Poison.
>> Right. And and that is we've seen
bludgeoning. We
>> strangulation.
>> Strangulation's a big one. Chris Watts.
>> Um, that'd be wild. Chris Watts just got
remarried. He's doing life in prison.
It'd be wild if somehow he ended up
killing his second wife. Like, how'd you
manage that in the visiting room?
>> Yeah. What What if they have uh um what
are they conjugal?
>> If if I mean they not all states, very
few states. I think it's only like
California. There's only one or two
states that still have them.
>> It's like every three months.
Yo, that ain't bad, dude.
That ain't bad.
>> And it's been like a weekend, so you
just all weekend.
>> That's And they're like nice little
trailers and and they have like little
microwaves. You can make little soups
and prison spreads and pour your wife a
little pruno. It was made in the toilet.
>> I think there was actually a guy who
murdered his his wa spouse or wife in
the trailer, I think. Yeah, that
happened that happened in that happened
in Oregon. Uh cuz when I was in prison
in Oregon, that's that's there's a bunch
of there's a bunch of [ __ ] trailers
still on the property at at OSP at the
Oregon State Penitentiary and they're
just all unused because they got rid of
the conjugal visit program after this
[ __ ] jerkoff killed his wife at a
conjugal visit. That's how hard marriage
is, dude. You only see
>> I couldn't
with her.
>> I was like the guy I was like the um uh
Adolf he he for five years for five
years. He fought
multiple fronts. Every single country in
the world he was at war with. The amount
of stress that man was under.
>> Yeah. He got married to Eva Brawn and
the next day killed himself.
>> Put one in his head. Yeah.
>> Next day, bro. Marriage is tough.
>> Marriage is hard, man.
>> Yeah.
>> Marriage is hard. Don't do it. Do it
like Matt. Wait till you're 50s.
>> Yeah. Wait till you're old and and
you're tired and you you're aged out of
it. You basically aged out of arguing
and you just kind of give up.
>> You kind of aged out of the out of the
[ __ ] game. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh I'll get there one day. I'm into the
Lord now, though. I've gone celibate for
different reasons. Anyways,
um All right. So, Matt, tell us queue it
up, baby. What do we got? What are we
watching?
>> Well, let's watch this. Let's watch the
first part.
>> Cue it up. It's uh a little teaser. The
little teaser is that um this guy is
done with his wife and and and he he I
think he's a dentist and I think that he
orders poison and starts slowly
poisoning her.
>> That is such a dude. Dentist has got to
be one of the leading professions to
kill your spouse. Those guys are [ __ ]
weird.
Dentist is that's a lonely profession. I
mean it's got the highest suicide rate.
>> Does it?
>> Yeah. a lot of scraps.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you just
[ __ ] you get a couple of Latino, you
know, uh, girls to look into the mouths.
You just come in and
>> So, I don't I don't know. I don't see
it. But anyways, Matt, where are these
people located?
>> I I don't know.
>> You know, I don't know much. I I watched
the video a few days ago. I don't know
much. Let's Let's figure it out as
>> I'm going to bet Colorado or Utah. Go
ahead.
>> Oh my god.
Nobody in their right mind would ever
think I would kill myself before I
killed you.
>> This is 43-year-old Angela Craig on the
morning of March 6th, 2023, saying
goodbye to her husband before work. In 3
hours, she will be in an emergency room
with symptoms no doctor can explain. In
9 days, she will be on life support.
>> You are under arrest.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. First degree murder.
>> Whoa.
Whoa.
>> And this is her husband, Dr. James
Craig, a beloved Aurora dentist, under
arrest for her murder 13 days later.
Because as investigators start digging
into the evidence, they discover that
Jane is no ordinary.
>> Yeah. What was it?
>> Aurora, Colorado. I [ __ ] CALLED IT.
Suck it.
>> Colorado is a [ __ ] place.
>> I think Breen Ridge is beautiful. I
think that uh there's LOTS OF BEAUTIFUL
>> AH THE JIG IS UP. They know you're
pandering. I got even people IN THE
COMMENTS FROM COLORADO backing me up.
It's a [ __ ] It's a twisted
suburban hell hole. Go.
>> You know what did bother me? It's one of
those states where you go to buy like
groceries and then you're all your
stuff's on the counter and then they go,
"Do you want a bag?" And you're like,
"Yeah, I'd like a bag." And they're
like, "It's $3."
>> Oh,
>> $3. Give me a plastic bag. They're like,
"No, you have to pay for the bag." I'm
like, "Get the [ __ ] out of here. What am
I going to do? Start shoving [ __ ] in my
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>> Grieving.
>> For the last three weeks, this man has
been layering three different poisons
into his wife's protein shakes. And
before this case is over, he will sit
across from the lead detective on his
wife's murder, ask for her advice, and
then try to have her killed. I can tell
you I did not kill my wife.
>> I don't know what to do. I'm scared to
death. I don't know what to do. I want
desperately to talk to you because I
trust you.
>> It was a mistake.
>> This guy sucks.
>> It is Wednesday, March 15th, 2023. At UC
Health Anuts in Aurora, Angela Craig has
just suffered a seizure so violent the
doctors cannot even insert a breathing
tube. This is her third hospital stay in
10 days. Following two emergency room
trips, an urgent care visit, and a 5-day
admission. Yet, every scan and blood
test keeps coming back clean. The
doctors are hunting for a rare disease,
never suspecting that the cause is much
closer than they think. Earlier that
morning, Angela was too weak to drive
herself, and her husband said she had to
be at work, so her family took her
instead. She walked out of her own front
door and never came back through it. By
in the afternoon, she is on life
support in the ICU, and machines are the
only reason her heart is still beating.
Across town at Somerbrook Dental Group,
the practice James co-owns, office
manager Caitlyn Romero has been sitting
on something for 2 days. On Monday the
13th, a box arrived marked Jim Craig
personal, covered in biohazard stickers.
And when another employee opened it by
mistake, Romero read the packaging slip,
potassium cyanide. She looked up the
symptoms that night and every one of
them matched what James kept describing
about his wife. Unknowingly, Caitlyn
Romero is holding the thread that
unravels everything. Around 300 p.m. on
the 15th, Romero starts making calls.
First to the office manager of a partner
practice, then to Dr. Ryan Redern,
James' business partner. Redern and his
wife drive to the hospital and the
moment James steps away to take a phone
call, Redford pulls a nurse aside. There
is no use for cyanide anywhere in
dentistry and he knows it. The hospital
alerts Aurora police that night and the
case lands with Detective Bobby Olsen.
On Saturday, March 18th at in the
afternoon, Angela Craig is pronounced
brain dead.
>> Within a day, a judge signs a no bond
warrant. murder in the first degree.
After deliberation, by Sunday night,
every threat of this case runs through
the same man, and detectives are done
waiting. All they need is a way to get
James away from his house without a
scene. And he has been handing them the
perfect ex that fell apart quick.
>> Wow. I thought there was going to be
some a twist to it. I thought he was
going to make him work for it. Nope.
>> Nope. Somebody happened some some nosy
employee did her job and opened up a
[ __ ] package and said, "Oh, I think I
know what's happening here."
>> Uh, by the way, do you see the their
their house in the background? You see
the neighborhood?
>> Looks like a very nice neighborhood.
>> That is a That is a Home Depot
neighborhood.
>> Nothing wrong with that.
>> That is the Home Depot special.
>> Nothing wrong with it.
>> I guess not. God, it makes you want to
kill your wife though.
>> Sometimes
>> only about 50% of the time.
>> By the way, Matt, we are aging
beautifully. Look at
>> Oh, look at this guy. 45.
>> Look at Dr. James Craig. He's only 45.
>> Yeah, it's rough.
>> He's falling aart, dude.
>> All week, his phone. Earlier that week,
police searched the dental office and
the Craig home and left with that phone
along with Angela's phone, his wallet,
and his laptop. During the search, James
asked the detectives point blank whether
he was a suspect. And the answer he got
was that it depends on how this shakes
out. Since Angela's death, he has been
sleeping at a Marriott instead of the
family home. His one request was that he
not be handcuffed in front of his kids
while planning his wife's funeral. So on
Sunday night, detectives call and offer
to bring the phone back. It has already
been downloaded. The soft knock is the
only part of his request they intend to
honor.
>> How you doing?
>> I'm well, thank you.
>> Oh, how are you?
>> Great. How are you doing?
>> Well, yeah. Hello.
>> All right. You are under arrest. Okay.
>> Okay. First degree murder. Who?
Okay.
>> Are you hungry?
>> Are you?
>> Oh, okay.
>> Wow.
>> So, Jim's under arrest.
>> Is there anything like your watch or
anything you want to leave with him?
>> Sure.
>> Pause.
>> So, he they arranged this like
>> Yeah. So they they told him they were
going to could they meet so he could
>> they could give him back his uh cell
phone. I think
>> Oh, I thought he his I thought they
arranged this because he said, "Don't
arrest me in front of my kids."
>> Like he contacted them and was like,
"I'm going to turn myself in."
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think that's Yeah,
you're you're right. So they
>> This is why do you hear this guy? How
many times have I said on this show,
it's the quiet, soft-spoken weirdos that
will murder you.
>> No,
>> it's it's the this is the reason that
that white people in the suburbs have to
go on like nature retreats and like you
see Have you seen those videos on on Tik
Tok of like people in the forest on
these retreats like screaming out their
their demons? Oh, yeah. It's very It's
very gay. But this is why because
they're living in a pent up state.
>> Do you hear this guy? Hey, how are you
tonight, sir? Your uh your laugh's over.
>> I think he's just a psychopath.
>> I'm doing pretty well. Thank you. You're
not doing well. You're not doing well at
all. And you should speak the truth.
Don't be This is the problem with
America. It's too We We're not an honest
society. Speak the truth. I'm doing
shitty. He he he probably thinks he's
still going to be able to beat this.
Like I'm still going to be able to
figure this out.
>> Oh,
>> that's probably what
>> Yeah. Which is stupid because it's like
you you know you already know you're
doomed. Like you've been ordering the
medic. Like it was such a shitty plan to
begin with.
>> This guy sucks. I defend I like a lot of
the spouse murderers that we talk about
on this show, but I don't I don't care
for this guy. Gonna be honest with you.
>> Is it in your pockets? Uh, it might be
the number. I'm sorry. I can't figure it
out for you. Okay.
>> This is the
>> James came outside believing he was
collecting the evidence that would clear
him. Instead, the device in the
detective's hand has spent two days
giving up his purchases, his searches,
and a second life he built one email at
a time.
>> Oh,
>> yeah. So, I think they lured him out.
>> Okay. He's building a second life.
Interesting. So, we have a motive now.
>> Let me just buckle you in real quick.
>> Okay. See what happens now.
>> Uh, they're going to take you in to uh
an interview room and then we'll go from
there. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> For now, the detectives stay behind with
the family because the funeral they are
planning has a problem. So, his warrant
is a no bond warrant, which means he
does he doesn't have the opportunity to
bond out.
>> Um, he'll see a judge. Um, the charge is
first-degree murder with content with
deliberation.
>> Um, and so a
>> you take his gloves for a a bond won't
be given until a preliminary hearing,
which is usually
within 30 to 60 days.
just uh for you and the family. I mean,
obviously this is shocking from our
standpoint. He's responsible for Angie's
death. Okay. No doubt in our mind.
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>> guy. It's hard to wrap around. I
understand especially for these poor
>> kids. Um, but you know, we would
obviously take him into custody this
quick if we were not sure in our minds
from our investigation that he's
responsible for her death. Okay. So, um,
obviously he's probably said a lot of
stuff that's going on, that kind of
thing. But I we just want you to know
from someone that knows the family,
especially for these four kids, is that
that's how we're approaching is that
he's responsible for her death.
>> Okay. So, in this case then, do are we
just supposed to proceed through the
funeral without him?
>> Yes. He's not going to be able to get
out of jail.
>> I mean, he be able to attend funeral.
>> No, no.
>> Jesus. No,
>> he he won't have a bond. So, he won't be
able to get out
>> until he has a preliminary hearing. So,
>> that Who are these people? Who who's
>> this is this is like his I think that
these are his
>> his in-laws
>> in-laws or maybe even his brother and
sister, somebody friends of the family
or family and you know, they think he
didn't do it, I guess, because to me
it's like I you murdered you murdered
this woman. I don't want you at her
funeral. What do you guys care?
>> Yeah, this is weird. Maybe they got if
it is his in-laws, they've got to be in
denial. I don't know. I guess.
>> Yeah, he's pro. Well, he's obviously got
them convinced like something was wrong
and she died and they're blaming me. I
would never do this. But then once the
evidence comes out, I'm sure they're
like, "Oh shit."
>> He's ordering all the poisons that they
found inside of her. He's ordering it to
his dental practice. The people at the
dental practice [ __ ] saw the the the
the cyanide and then they've got him
like on tape. Like you'll see when you
see the tapes and everything. He matter
he goes into they have him on tape in
the hospital going into her room and
then coming out and immediately she goes
into like cardiac arrest and like dies
>> like they're saying she went in and and
he [ __ ] shot her full of something.
>> What?
>> Yeah, cuz she wasn't dying fast enough.
So they she go he goes and finishes off
in the hospital. Watch
>> that is that's some Hey
>> that's white people [ __ ] That's some
white people. I I the black the hack
black comedians are right when they make
that stereotype.
>> Postpones it to see how the preliminary
hearing goes, but you're talking about a
few months at least.
>> And I think if you really sit back and
wrap your mind around it, I don't think
he should be at the funeral when he's
the one that caused the funeral to
happen.
>> This guy's almost grinning.
>> Right. It's true. But I just want to
give you a heads up that that's that's
why we're here and that's why he's got a
warrant for his arrest and that's why
he's in custody.
>> Okay.
>> Understand? Yeah.
>> Less than a week into this
investigation, the lead detectives are
already certain enough to say it to the
family's face. For two weeks, these
people,
>> this guy almost sounds like William
Shatner.
>> Uh, the detective.
>> No, the guy.
>> No, the narrator.
>> Oh,
>> almost sounds like
>> Yeah, he does. He does have some
Shatner. Yeah, a little bit.
>> People stood next to a killer hiding in
plain sight. What they cannot know yet
is how much proof is behind that
certainty. Dated searches, dated
deliveries, dated store runs, and a
poisoning schedule that lines up with
all of it almost to the hour.
>> We can write down, we have it, we can
>> what?
>> That's the kind of guy that gets beat
down and extorted in prison.
This is a This is what we call a lame
>> right down some. All right. We're sorry
about all this. Um it is what it is. So
it's going to be tough. Obviously um you
know if you need something from us
obviously reach out. We can answer
questions up to a point and then really
for the victim's services if that's
something you think would be helpful
obviously reach out and we'll get that
set up.
>> Okay. the lead detective on Angela's
case, helping the family copy numbers
off the same phone that sank him. James
is about to spend 27 minutes in a room
with her, and the file she walks in with
is thicker than he can imagine.
>> Have you take a seat?
Uh, right here for right now. Okay.
>> For now, yes.
Down the hall, an interview room is
waiting, and the rules inside it favor
James, at least on paper. He has not
been read his Miranda rightites, so the
detectives cannot get into specifics
until he agrees to talk. That leaves
both sides playing the same game from
opposite chairs. The detectives want him
talking. James wants to find out exactly
what they know without giving anything
back. He has badly miscalculated what
that is. Well, obviously we're here and
like we discussed when I talked to you
at your house, um that I have sympathy
for your children. Like I am a human.
>> Um and so like we discussed last time,
we're not here to make a big production.
And again, that's why Detective just,
you know, lightly knocked on the door
and had you come outside obviously to
give some
>> Yeah.
>> some peace of mind to your family. Thank
you. over crushing this event is going
to be.
>> Um, again, I told you that I would honor
that and get you away from your house.
Um, and
>> I just I just find our modern
civilization,
it's amazing how human beings have
become so
civilized in our institutions. Like, if
this had been in 1850
and this guy,
>> they've been beating a confession out of
them.
>> No, no, no. They would have passed him
over to the wife's family and they would
have they would have hung him to death
in the middle of like the town square
and they like
>> that's justice. Like it's wild how
it's almost more creepy this way. I'm
not advocating for mob justice. It's I'm
glad that we've evolved past that. But
it's like she's like it's almost like
he's uh he's just in he's he's talking
to another government employee. Hey,
this is going to be really hard.
>> Yeah,
>> we have to use the power of the state to
put you in a cage with violent psychos
for the rest of your life. It's going to
be hard, but it's okay. Can I get you
anything? How? Like, it's all very
calculated and violent.
>> Clinical. It's clinical. Oh, it's so
creepy. Beat me up.
>> I like it. I'd rather that than I don't
want to get beat up. I want to be talked
civily. We don't even know if I'm guilty
yet. Although I am.
>> I know. I know. And that's why you do
it. That's But it but it's it's it's
it's even if he's guilty, you're not
allowed to beat him and sodomize him.
>> Of course not. You don't want the Come
on.
>> No, of course not. But I'm saying like
it's
this guy really doesn't deserve to live.
He's He's
>> This guy's a piece of garbage. They'll
take care of him in prison.
>> I did not have your family involved. So
I didn't know your brother was going to
come with you, right? I didn't I didn't
know. Um so um now you're here. So They
do have an arrest warrant for the murder
of Angela.
>> So, I know that, you know, you've
expressed a few times that you have the
answers and want to tell us. Um, I just
want to give you that opportunity
to tell us what you know and if you have
insight on kind of what happened or I
mean I know you've talked to DHS,
Department of Human Services, um, and
you've kind of alluded when I've talked
to you. Um, I I just wanted to just give
you the opportunity.
>> She had been to his house twice this
week and both times James insisted he
had answers for her. Now he is in the
one room where those answers carry a
price and within two minutes he puts his
denial on the record.
>> I really want that. I I haven't had my
phone so I haven't been able to talk to
the attorney that I reached out to
because as you can imagine this is
terrifying for me
>> and you both seem very nice and like
you're on my side but I know how this
works and I don't want to incriminate
myself or say anything stupid or
there are answers. There are answers and
this makes a lot of sense once those
answers come out. But I don't know how
to navigate this. I've never done this
before
>> and I'm scared to death.
>> Like he's getting his dick sucked.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, that's so good. Yeah.
>> Yeah. The
>> Did I kill my wife? Oh, yeah. Little
little less teeth.
>> I don't get the the whispering thing,
but
>> I don't like whisperers. I don't like
low talkers. Speak the [ __ ] up.
>> Yeah, he does it wor it gets worse and
worse.
>> Watch. So for people that can't hear him
for people that can't hear him at home,
he's he just said what I can tell you is
I didn't kill my wife
>> opportunity.
This is really your only opportunity to
to tell us what happened and I wanted to
give you that. The problem for James is
that Angela called it on day one. On the
morning of March 6th, she drank the
shake he mixed her. And by a.m.,
James was already at work, telling his
staff his wife felt off, that maybe he
had put too much protein powder in her
drink. The cover story existed before
the diagnosis did. A few hours later,
Angela texted him that her stomach.
>> Why are you even admitting that you made
her drink?
>> It's It's He's cuz he's a dumbass and
he's in his mind. He's he watched a
couple of cop shows. He watched a couple
of podcasts, maybe the Murder Men, and
he was like, "Oh, yeah, I got to create
a backstory. Yeah, I got to get some
plausible deniability so that people at
my work, they'll be on the in the
defense if it goes to trial. That's how
he's thinking." They'll be able to say,
"Oh, yeah, I was complaining that my
wife didn't feel good." That's
>> Yeah, but why mentioned that I made her
the shake?
Well, here's the interesting thing is
that what we know is
we know that it w the plan was working
until the employee found the or or open
the package and saw the cyanide. Then
she started notifying people and that's
how they figured out. Otherwise, they
were doing all these they were doing all
these tests and they weren't they were
like we don't know what the problem is.
It wasn't until they came till his one
of his one of his partners went to the
hospital and pulled a nurse aside and
said, "Listen, this man's been ordering
cyanide. There's no reason for cyanide
in dentistry."
>> Right. That's wild. So
>> So perhaps he was smart enough to order
the chemicals that would kill her and
make her sick, but not have it show up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It didn't show up. No. No,
it's not show. You have to specifically
test for it. And of course, they don't
they're not thinking cyani. They're
thinking we don't know what it is.
>> A stroke. Uh
>> something. We don't know. They're
thinking they're looking for a rare
disease. Something,
>> right? I think they would have tested. I
think if she had she well, she did die.
>> I think even without the the mistake of
him ordering the the chemicals to the
dental office, I think they probably
I don't know. I I feels like they would
have tested for poisons even if they
didn't suspect him. The thing is they
they mimic a lot of times they'll mimic
um other causes and they'll say, "Oh,
she died of a heart defect or she died
>> and that's what the the auto that's the
autopsy says. Oh yeah, she was healthy
but she had it looks like she had a you
know some kind of heart issue and she
died and they just never order it
because they think that's what it is."
>> That's true. That's a great point.
Hospitals [ __ ] up causes of death all
the time. Uh so let's give our boys some
credit. He he did he did he was on the
he had his head in the right place.
>> Yeah.
>> Felt fine but her head felt funny and
dizzy. Very strange. Then she said it
plainly. She felt drugged. And that word
carried history in this marriage. Years
earlier during another rough stretch.
James had slipped a seditive into
Angela's drink without her knowledge.
When she caught him, his explanation was
that he drugged her so she could not
stop him from taking his own life. She
forgave him and the marriage survived
it. So on March 6th, James did not ask
his sick wife what she meant. He
answered
>> wild.
>> I mean
he begged her to let
he begged her to let him him drug
himself so he wouldn't kill himself.
>> No. No. She caught him putting a
seditive in her drink.
>> Oh, I see. And and when she said what's
he said, I gave you a set of because I
wanted you to fall asleep so I could
myself so you would you know you'd wake
up and I'd be dead so you didn't
accidentally stop me or find me called
up whatever he was going to cut his
wrist or do something. Who knows?
>> Or I was going to hang myself and I
didn't want you to come outside in the
garage and save me. And so I wanted you
to be out.
>> Classic excuse. I should have used it
when I
>> And a quick one too.
>> Quick one.
>> Quick, right? I wish I would have been
quick on my feet when I got caught
DRUGGING WOMEN. UH UH. NO, IT'S CUZ I'M
GOING TO KILL MYSELF. I DON'T WANT YOU
TO STOP ME.
>> The accusation before she finished
making it. Just for the record, I didn't
drug you. That same day, he said almost
the same sentence to another woman. I
will never drug you. The cameras in his
own house recorded where this marriage
actually STOOD AT THE following
night.
>> Nobody in their right mind. Plus, how
desperate are the women of Aurora,
Colorado that they they hear that their
husband has attempted to drug them and
still they're like, "It's the best I can
do. It's it's all there is on the
market.
>> He's a dentist.
>> He's He's a dentist. He's a dentist.
He's an Aurora 7."
>> All right. Here, listen. Listen to what
she says.
>> People's lives are desperately empty. Go
ahead. stood at the following
night.
>> Nobody in their right mind would ever
think I myself felt before I killed you.
Nobody. Name one person. It's your
fault. They treated me like I was it.
Like I did it to myself
and like nothing I said could be
believed.
>> At Advent Health Parker,
>> the one contribution.
>> We got to talk about that. We got to
talk about that. She said nobody in
their right mind would believe that
>> I would kill myself before I killed you.
>> Ladies and gentlemen,
>> Matt, do we have our defense lawyer hats
on here? Was this whole thing just
self-defense?
Was our man just killing her before she
could get to him?
>> I mean, he he probably that probably
would have been a better defense
strategy than what he comes up with.
Yeah, I would have I would have
timestamped that if we took it to the
box. If I was his lawyer, I'd be like,
let's go off that because that's all we
have is her saying, "Yeah, I I I'd kill
him before they before he killed me."
>> Made was asking the staff to run a drug
panel on his own wife. The framing that
got Angela treated aside risk instead of
a patient. It's the exact same story he
will hand detectives 8 days later, and
his wife is on camera tearing it apart
before he ever gets to tell it. The next
day, she went to urgent care and was
sent home again with no diagnosis.
Angela was closer to solving her own
murder than anyone else in Colorado. She
just could not make herself believe the
answer. Um,
>> what happens if right now I say, "I just
really need an attorney with me and I
can't talk to you." Then what happens
next?
Then the uniformed officers here will
just take you down to the jail.
>> And and how long will I stay there for?
>> Um so it'll be booked into our Aurora
Municipal Jail.
>> Um and then ultimately I don't know 24
48 72 hours. Then the marshalss will
take you down to the Rapo County Jail
and then that's where you'll stay. Um
you'll have your I guess first
appearance. Um, and that's you have the
warrant is for first-degree murder, so
there is no bond. So, you are not
allowed to like pay a bondsman and get
out. Um, and then so you'll have kind of
a series of court dates and then and
court hearings and so on and so kind of
for months down the line. And then
you'll have what they call proof
evidence hearing. Um, and at that time
will be when the judge will decide if
you will get a bond or not. And that's
usually with like 30 to 60 days from
today.
>> Wow.
>> So, you will be in custody for at least
that long until a judge will determine
um if you can get
>> pause. Okay. So, it's at this point that
the the novice criminal
really breaks because
people,
drug dealers, people accused of murder
or or serious crime,
they don't realize
that they can't just pay their way out
immediately. Like, when they're they're
like, "Oh, I'm not going to see daylight
at least for a couple of months."
everything I I I in my mind I was like,
"Okay, I'll get right back to whatever I
was doing. Nobody will even find out,
>> right?"
>> When when they hear, "Oh, no.
Everything's going to fall apart." Even
before I get convicted or even go to
trial or even try to fight it,
my life will never be the same. That's
this is this is the part that to at
least for me when I first got arrested
that was the most terrifying part. I was
like, "Oh, fuck." I I knew I didn't have
a bond either because I I was on
probation already for this basically the
same crime and then I got caught doing
it five times as as big. So that's where
I was like, "Oh,
fuck." Because I didn't want my parents
to find out. That was the main thing. I
was like, "Okay, if I could just bail
out and then I'll just act like
everything's cool and then I'll figure
it out later." But no, when they when
you open your [ __ ] and give a cough
when you spread those sweaty cheeks and
you make that [ __ ] starfish go that's
when you know it's for real for real for
real Z's. Right. But now, Matt, I I say
that to say a [ __ ] who's been in
the system, he's not going to bend, even
if he is guilty, because if he knows,
like say say it's a murder suspect,
right?
>> Yeah. He knows going in. He knows I'm
That's it.
>> Yeah. But but but even if he if he
thinks he can beat it, but he knows he's
not scared to be like, "Take me take me
to jail. I I'll be out. I got a lawyer.
I'll spend a few nights in there." Like
that doesn't phase him psychologically.
that. So, so he's not as uh he's not as
apt to break in like the the this
interrogation, you know what I mean?
>> Yeah. Well, this guy doesn't break
anyway because he's 100% guilty. His
breaking is I did it. Um Yeah. And and
the other thing is what's funny is a lot
of states you're going to bond out no
matter what. They'll give you a bond.
Obviously, he he was expecting a bond.
He was expecting, well, I'll be able to
get out on bond. Not, you know, a lot of
people watch stuff on TV and they're
watching stuff that's happening in New
York and they think, "Oh, or or in
California, they're thinking, "Oh, okay.
So, if I get arrested, I'll get a bond."
No, no, you're not getting a bond. Like,
you're in Florida. No, you're not
getting out. No, but I I I watched Law
and Order and they always get out. Yeah,
that was law. That was New York.
>> You're not getting out here.
>> You know, you're not getting out in
California. You're not getting Or I'm
sorry, you are getting out in
California. There's lots of states where
they're like, "Oh, no, no, no, no.
Alabama, no. You're not getting out."
No.
Georgia.
>> No. No. I mean, look, in California, you
might not get out. It depends on the se
severity of the crime. It really depends
on the judge,
>> right? You know, okay, but like in
Florida, in a lot of places, you're just
not, especially some a serious crime
like this, you're not getting out,
>> right? You have to spend a couple months
in jail and then you got to put up your
house and the judge has to see, are you
a flight risk? There's a whole process.
>> Yes.
>> Um,
>> he's desperately trying to figure out
how do I walk out of here tonight?
That's what he's thinking.
>> Yeah. And then what happens if I talk to
you and tell you everything I know? Then
what?
>> I mean, I don't
>> I still go to jail and I wait for 30 to
60 days to see if I can
>> um Well, I don't know. I mean, but you
have a warrant. You're going to go to
jail today. I can't I can't change that.
um is
do you have something to say and maybe I
can verify it and that'll clear you and
take away all the evidence that I have.
Then I would submit all that to the
district attorney's office and they
would submit it to the judge to say
that.
But again, nothing will change the fact
that you're going to go to jail today
because the judge signed it, right? So I
can't just take that away. It's a
judge's order. Um but again, anything
you have to say and if I can, you know,
can approve that, right? Like we have to
vet that stuff, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Um and see if there's validity to what
you have to say, right? Um you know, we
can obviously take that into account and
then if that's verified, then that Yeah,
it might change the circumstances,
>> but it won't for what will occur
tonight.
>> So either way, I'm not tonight.
>> Correct. Could the outcome change? Like
I said, if we can vet that information,
>> it's always possible is what she's
trying to say.
>> It's always possible that people have
talked to us that they provide
information where we can find they
provide information and tell us where we
can get set information to confirm it if
we don't already have it. And then we
can like again touch base with the
district attorney's office of how they
want to navigate that going forward.
Every case is different so we can't
really I guess give you direction if
that makes sense because we don't know
what information you Remember the good
old days before they let women be cops?
>> I was just thinking he what if I what if
I overpower both of you and just [ __ ]
out of here
>> for sure. I mean look at like what
happened to the old the the big husky JV
football coach cop.
>> He's a [ __ ] cigarette smoker. He's
wearing a leather coat. He he's [ __ ]
you know, he he tries to go by the book,
but he gets written up because he he,
you know, once he has suspects in
custody, he might give him one to the
head. Like, what happened now? Now we've
got like hospital workers who are cops.
Stop it, ladies. We're taking away the
right your right to vote, your right to
be cops. I'm kidding. I'm kidding about
that. 30 to 60 days is not a random
number to this man because the life he
built outside this room runs on a
schedule.
>> Her name is Karen Kaine, a dentist from
Texas. James met her at a dental
conference in Las Vegas in late February
and told her his marriage was already
over. Within days, they were trading
thousands of messages and by early March
he was already booking her flights to
Denver. Her plane landed on March 16th
while Angela lay in the ICU across town.
And waiting underneath all of it, more
than $4 million of life insurance in
Angela's name. One policy after another.
>> Closet. And there you have it, ladies
and gentlemen. We got ourselves a Chris
Watts
times 4 million.
>> Four million and another woman.
>> Four million and another woman. Hey, I
get it.
Wow.
That's [ __ ] crazy. You see how quick
You see how quickly the veil like like
you see a person doing well, right? Like
if you're down on your luck, you see
this guy, he's got this great life. He's
a dentist. He's just got his [ __ ]
together, you know? He's got a what what
Matthew would call a nice house
with [ __ ] fake granite rock and uh
cheap plaster, but still um
you know like it looks like but but men
men live lives of quiet desperation.
That classic that classic line men
living and this guy he just decided one
day one day he woke up and said I'm
throwing it all away
>> for a piece of ass and four million
>> for a piece of ass. Oh, and this is how
I'll do it. I'll kill her. I'll get four
million bucks. That way I can like the
kids can I can put the kids like
wherever with their aunt or something
and I'm going to I'm going to run away
with this broad who's probably a chubby
five and a half.
>> No, she's not. I think she looked They
showed a picture of her. She looked all
right.
>> Oh, okay. Well, it's all right. Makes it
all better.
>> And she and she's a dentist.
>> Oh, okay. Again, you should have said
so. Go ahead.
>> The same beneficiary. Every week James
sits in a cell is a week that new life
does not start. And right now he is
about to figure out why the police
really took his phone.
>> Now we don't know your side. You've
expressed to detectable detective that
you have answers for the police
department or uh for this situation if
you will. And so this is I guess really
your opportunity. But you have every
right to have an attorney too. So it's
whatever you feel is best fitted for
you.
I was never really getting my phone
back, was I?
>> Um, yeah. I mean, it's done. It's
downloaded. I literally I had to bring
it back to mobile.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, I mean, we we typically download
them and then we give them back. I mean,
it's not customary for us to keep them.
>> But
>> cuz we have all the info.
>> That's not why I was coming here
tonight, though, was it?
>> Tonight? No.
>> No, you have arrest warrant,
>> right? Dude, I'm trying to light.
>> Had I not obtained, I guess probable
evidence to,
>> you know, for a judge to sign the
warrant, um, yes, by all means, you
would have gotten your phone back
>> and not been arrested. Um,
>> wow. Oh my gosh.
>> Here is what the searches actually
produced. James' phone was clean and his
laptop was clean, but the computer at
his own practice was not. On February
27th, someone at that machine created a
brand new Gmail account called Jim and
Waffles. On February 28th, that account
searched how to make murder look like a
heart attack AND A DOSAGE OF
TETRAHYDROINE THAT is fatal. On March
1st, the day Angela used for a genealogy
conference.
>> God, you got to use a PP. How long it
takes to die from arsenic poisoning. And
James texted his new girlfriend. Maybe
she'll decide to stay gone for a long
time.
>> To figure out WHAT HAPPENED.
>> OH GOD, HE'S GOT THE ONELINERS, TOO.
This guy is dramatic.
Maybe. Do you think he like talks like
he's talking now? Like it's like he's a
bad actor. Maybe she'll decide to stay
away for a long time.
Oh, James. Oh, sweet James.
I if you were my Sy, I wouldn't I
wouldn't even let you put your [ __ ]
belongings down. I would be getting in
that ass. Not Not not Get your mind out
of the gutter. I'd be beating the [ __ ]
out of you, dude.
You can't live in You can't live in this
cell, dog. You can't live here. This is
I'm I'm on man time and you're a lane.
Go ahead.
>> Happened. And we have, again, like we've
both reiterated, we only have one side
of of this situation. We have the
information that we have obtained, the
people we have talked to, just like any
other investigation. We strictly work
death cases and specifically homicides
more than anything. So, we have kind of
routine things that we do. We have done
that in this scenario. Um, we have a lot
of information. We certainly have a lot
of questions, too. Um, and sometimes
information does make sense of things
that we've been provided. But if you
don't feel comfortable talk, we totally
understand that. Our point is not to put
you away. It's to put the person away
that caused this to your wife. And that
that's that's where we're at.
>> This person is my wife.
>> We don't have that information, though.
>> Yeah. So, as you can tell, like it's
again based on the investigation that
Detective has started and that I have
helped her with in the last 72 hours
approximately. Um, the information at
this time leads to you. So, that's
that's why we're where we're at right
now.
>> That person is my wife. It's not the
first time James has reached for that
story. The night the cyanide surfaced,
Ryan Redern called him from the
hospital. James tried a ring first. The
package was a surprise for Angela, he
said. Redford told him it had already
been opened, so the ring became cyanide
that Angela asked him to order. A game
of chicken, he called it. He never
thought she would use it. Redford's
answer ended the call. I think you need
a lawyer. And the records tore the story
apart from there. The Jim and Waffles
account ordered arsenic on Amazon, and
it reached the house by March 4th while
Angela was still in Utah. Two mornings
later, Angela drank her husband's shake
and was in an emergency room by that
afternoon, and a blood sample drawn on
the 9th would later come back with
arsenic at a level of 330, far past
anything a human body should hold. That
night, while she recovered at home,
Romero found James back at the office
hours later, sitting in the dark in an
exam room at the same computer, which
was now searching Visine and how long ey
drop poisoning takes, and ordering
oleandrin, a poison pulled from one of
the deadliest plants on Earth.
Detectives intercepted that package
before it ever arrived. On March 8th, he
ordered potassium cyanide from Midland
Scientific, writing, "Hopefully, this is
in stock and I can come pick it up
tomorrow." That same night at
p.m., his credit card bought 12 packages
of eye drops at a King Scoopers in
Aurora. The next morning, Angela drank
another shake. Her kids found her passed
out and she crawled across the floor
because she could not stand. She was
admitted for 5 days and at that
night, the same card bought seven more
packages of Visine at the same store.
When the supplier's screening team asked
why a dentist needed cyanide, James
answered that he was a surgeon
rebuilding a patient's face and skull
and hoped to publish the results in a
medical paper. A woman planning for her
own death does not generate a three-w
weekek shopping trail she never touches.
>> Oh, I like that. Pause. I like that. I
like that. So, he's trying to point the
finger at the dead wife. She an
elaborate This was an elaborate plan,
>> right? But he's buying all the [ __ ] for
her.
>> Well, assisted suicide. I like it. I
like this defense so far. Hey, Patrick,
I like I I
>> James.
>> James, sorry. Whatever. Fat white middle
American nothing. I
I don't know. I'm not convinced of his
guilt. You're going to have to show me
something more.
>> My god.
>> I mean, I need to be confident, right?
So,
>> yeah.
>> Um, it's really to find the truth, is
>> there? I love to talk.
>> Any situation in which I can get up, go
to the funeral?
>> No, you can't go to the funeral,
>> dude. These people KEEP ASKING IF THEY
CAN GO TO THE FUNERAL. cannot
>> I am Batman
>> like you mean I know I still can go down
>> we don't know what you know is the
problem so you could always coordinate
with an attorney and do an interview
with us as well you can talk to us right
now um or you can not talk those are
kind of I guess your three options the
attorneyating would be
>> yeah that's what I'm saying that's the
worst part
>> you obviously have to
>> this is agg Can we speed this up?
>> I don't know when you got
>> Yeah, he's horrible.
>> Not talking until I get
>> She sucks too. Put some [ __ ] shush on
it, dude.
>> Put some [ __ ] jush. Lean on the
>> successful businessman in this room is
broke. In January, his partners cut his
pay because the practice could no longer
carry the payments on his first
bankruptcy after sinking roughly
$350,000
into keeping him afloat. And the money
that did move told its own story. In
late 2022, three different women met
James on a dating site called
Seeking.com, and each later testified
the relationship turned romantic and
expensive. One received about $8,000,
mostly over Venmo. Another got a car for
her daughter, and one remembered James
talking about the movie The Purge, where
all crime is legal for one night, and
saying that if it were real, he would
purge his wife.
>> This [ __ ]
Yeah, he's not that he's not the
brightest bulb.
>> And he's a he's a s. He's [ __ ] I hate
to use the he's a trick. He's tricking
off on these Aurora pigs, dude.
These are not These are not [ __ ]
These are not Dominican
beauty queens that he's tricking off on.
He's tricking off on Peggy, Shelly, and
Cindy.
All right.
>> Orthodontist assistance, dude.
>> On March 1st, Angela asked him directly
if there was anything he was not telling
her. He wrote back that he really was in
Las Vegas by himself.
>> Has the toxicology report come back
>> for what?
>> They were running on her.
>> I I mean, there's a ton of toxicology. I
mean, because they just don't know what
happened. They don't know what caused
any of this. So, I mean, they ran
ran a bunch.
>> The doctor's offices can't give us that
information.
>> Why not?
>> Because it's a privacy and h HIPPA
issue.
>> But you'll get it eventually.
>> We'd have to write a warrant. It's a
it's it's really a protection of
anybody's rights. It would be no
different if something happened to
detect,
>> bro. They know. Come on. Stop. They know
what the [ __ ] that you're you're in
handcuffs because they know. Use your
[ __ ] head, bro. And they're allowed
to lie to you. That's what people don't
understand. Every they can they can lie
to you. They can tell you, "Look," and
that's what they should have done. She
was like, "I mean, we don't know what
happened." You should have said,
"Listen, we do know what happened. She
died of [ __ ] cyanide poisoning."
Like, for her to say like, "They don't
know." What do you mean they don't know?
Don't tell them they we don't know.
Because now now he's going to shut up.
He's going to say, "Oh, you don't know.
I'll go to jail. Let me talk to my
lawyer. Like, you don't have anything."
But if you say, "No, no, we know why she
died. She died of cyanoid night
poisoning." And on top of that, we know
she there were many, many other attempts
on her life. So, we do know what we're
asking you is please tell us something
that makes sense on why you would do
this because we clearly think you did
it. We have a warrant for your arrest.
Like, this is stupid.
>> Yeah. No, this is Pick the Pick the
content up, guys. This is like a bad
podcast you guys are doing right now.
Also, you know what's weird?
>> They can lie to you, but if you say, "I
want my lawyer," they can't
>> They have to shut down. Yep. shut down.
It's It's so weird. Like just just cuz I
say I want my lawyer now, nothing beyond
that is is applicable or
>> they can lie to you and tell you they
even have evidence that they don't have.
But for instance, they can say, "Oh, we
found your revolver and your
fingerprints are on it. They never found
the revolver and they don't have your
fingerprints on it." But you know what
they can't do? They can't dummy up
actual like receipts, right? Like they
can't dummy up a toxicology report. They
can't dummy up things to set, you know,
evidence
>> that they can't do. There's only so far
they their lie can only go so far.
>> Well, speaking of dummying up, these are
some dummy cops right here.
>> That information, the only way that
information about the actual specifics
of the case um that really can't occur
until we're either going to talk or
we're not. So I can't really go into
details of what information that we have
obtained and
>> and then kind of the details of what has
transpired is what led us to the
probable cause. That's I know that's a
generic response.
>> So there's a few
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I'm really
sorry I'm dragging this out. I just
don't know what I'm doing.
>> He is tracking the lab work because the
lab work is the plan and it eventually
will answer him. When the final report
comes back, it reads like his search
history. Cyanide and the ey drop
chemical are what killed her with
arsenic still sitting in her system
underneath. And his behavior during
Angela's hospital week was already
sitting in front of the detectives. He
texted her family that if it wasn't his
wife, this would be kind of a fun puzzle
to try to figure out. He told Romero on
the 9th and again on the 15th that he
didn't think Angela would make it
through the night. And on March 11th, he
called Angela's sister, Tony, to declare
that if Angela died, there would be no
autopsy because nobody was going to cut
on her. A husband with no idea what is
killing his wife does not fight the one
procedure built to find out. 20 minutes
in, James is still fishing, and the next
thing he volunteers hands the detective
something better than an answer.
>> My business partners have called a
meeting for tomorrow at 6 p.m. And I
don't know that I'm going to make that.
So, I don't know how to communicate with
him that I can't make that meeting.
>> You were not going to make it. They've
told you this.
>> I would like to contact the attorney
that I was thinking of using and I I
reached out to him and then you guys
took my phone and I don't know if
they've tried to reach out back out to
me or not.
>> And um
>> straight up
>> written
here's everything that happened from my
iPhone that I wrote the night before you
took my phone. I wanted to sit down and
figure out the timeline so that I could
remember exactly what happened and when.
I mean, that's all there, but there's
And so I don't I don't I don't know. I
don't know. I'm so sorry. I don't know,
detective.
>> No, it's you don't have to be sorry.
>> Angela had come home from the hospital
on the 14th and spent her first hour
online hunting for what could be causing
her own symptoms. That same evening, a
kitchen camera James may not have
realized was still recording caught him
making her one more protein shake in a
pink topped container. Lab tests later
found poison inside it.
>> Oh, it's the worst when they get you
with your own surveillance footage.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, man.
So, he's for those of you listening,
he's making a shake.
At the next morning, James texted
Angela's sister to make sure Angela took
her prescription, an ordinary antibiotic
for a sinus infection. What no one knew
was that James had emptied one of those
capsules and refilled it with cyanide.
So, the last dose from his kitchen came
from her own sister's hand. By ,
Angela was at the hospital with her
brother, and her a.m. blood sample
held all three poisons at once,
including a swallowed bottles worth of
the eye drop chemical. Enough on its own
to stop a human heart. The capsule alone
should have ended this, but the
hospital's own cameras recorded next is
the reason it did.
>> So, that's James at the hospital. Yeah.
He went in the room.
Comes out the back. Yeah.
>> Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Pause. Did you see Pause. I want to make
sure people saw that. The security
footage caught him putting something
into his pocket as he's walking out of
the room.
>> Yeah. They explain it. He gave her like
a lethal dose of cyanide or or whatever
it was. Um uh because she wasn't dying.
She's not dying fast enough. So he goes
and gives her a lethal dose. Walks out
there into the hallway and they call
like an emergency like, "Oh my god."
Like she's like flatlining. They all
rush in there and he's all like, "Oh,
>> yeah. Yeah. What's happening? She was
fine a minute ago.
Why won't you die?
The object in his hand was a syringe of
cyanide. James spends 58 seconds inside
his wife's room, walks out, reporting
that her arm hurts. And within minutes,
he is standing in the hallway with his
hands on his head, wiping his eyes while
medical staff rush in. By 2 p.m., Angela
is unresponsive, and the machines take
over from there. Then comes the number
that ended any doubt at trial. Between
her morning blood draw and 821 that
night, the cyanide in her blood more
than doubled from 1.7 to 3.7, which is
only possible if someone gave her a
second dose inside the hospital,
straight into the IV line in her arm.
His own memo describes handing Angela a
syringe in her room, stepping out, and
pocketing it empty. Even the story he
wrote to save himself puts the syringe
in his hand. What did you say? Homicide
war or something.
>> First
>> with intent after deliberation.
>> What does that mean?
>> It's kind of just additional elements.
>> But can you explain it?
>> Basically after deliberation that you
deliberated it.
>> You thought this out and had intent to
do it and had intent.
>> That's not what happened. Oh my god.
>> Well, we How do we know that?
>> So lost.
>> Talk to us.
>> Oh my gosh. I'm so lost. That is
diabolically dude.
>> This guy is
>> Here's the thing. We have no idea what
knowledge you have or what you plan to
tell us or what you want to tell us. So,
I can't
>> Bro, I couldn't be a cop. I'd have
already been like, "Bro, look, [ __ ]
man up. Either tell us what the [ __ ]
happened or or tell us you want your
lawyer so that we can we can go. I want
to go home.
>> You're obviously not going to tell us.
You'd be an idiot to tell us anything at
this point because you're 100% guilty."
And we have the toxicology report and
you know that like you you can't be this
stupid. We didn't arrest you because we
because somebody said, "Hey, maybe you
should arrest him."
>> We arrested you because we have proof.
We proved to a judge we think you did
it.
>> Buddy, you're washed. Do you want to
confess now and bury yourself?
>> Or do you want to do you want to go to
the box
>> or do you want to go to [ __ ] go sit
in county jail for a couple months and
then and then we'll find you guilty in
trial.
>> Right. What he's I'm thinking he's
hoping is like he would he wants to get
out on bond. If he gets out on bond,
maybe he can run, right?
>> Well, of course. Of course. That's what
he's he's that's his plan. But he's not
going to They have so much really.
There's no point in talking.
>> Yeah. You're not getting out on bond and
you're guilty. So, you need a lawyer to
try and negotiate the best plea you can
get. That's it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And neither can detective
give you any direction on that because
every time we interview a suspect in any
sort of homicide case, it is always
dependent on what is told to us, what we
can verify like she's talking about.
Sometimes people are able to give us
information we're able to verify
quickly. We assess and then determine
what to do with that person. Do we keep
them in custody? Do we not? At this time
with the information that we have, no,
you will not be released in a week. You
will have to wait till your what she was
talking about. Basically, your
preliminary hearing coincides with what
they call a proof evident, proof great
hearing. At that hearing, they would
determine whether you would receive a
bond or not. If you receive a bond and
are able to post it, then you would be
released. However, those usually don't
take place for roughly 30 to 60 days.
So, I have no idea what you have. We're
kind of spinning our wheels at this
point of I and we're not putting you on
the spot to have to talk to us, but we
can't keep having this kind of like sort
of talking about it, not talking about
it type of thing happen um for this
case. So, if you want an attorney, we
absolutely respect that and understand
that you're not the first person to tell
us that you feel more comfortable with
that. Um, we would just wait until you
or your attorney reach back out to us.
>> I guess I probably
>> wait for an attorney. Okay.
>> No, sounds good.
>> So, a human being in
>> hands over his watch and on the way out
he thanks Detective Olsen by name for
doing the job she is doing. It is the
last polite sentence between them and
within a year it becomes one of the most
chilling lines in this entire case. The
interview produced no confession, but it
locked in his story before he knew what
they had. From this night forward, every
new discovery gets measured against it.
And from inside the Arapjo County Jail,
James starts trying to manufacture the
rest. James writes to his oldest
daughter, "I'm going to ask you to help
me with something really hard." The
letter reads, "We need to make a deep
fake video of mom saying she asked me to
order cyanide and that she was going to
take it herself." Investigators then
trace a letter to his cellmate's own
mother laying out an operation code
names instead of legal names, a burner
phone, a fake ID, and in exchange, free
dental implants from Dr. Craig. When
police call her, she wants nothing to do
with it, and she learns on that call
that her son's pen pal is in custody for
murder. Then it escalates. Prosecutors
alleged that from behind bars, James
plotted against four different people,
including hiring a fellow prisoner named
Nathaniel to kill detective Bobby Olsen.
When that fails, he writes to
Nathaniel's ex-wife, asking her to pose
as a friend of Angela's, walk into the
district attorney's office, and swear
Angela had been planning to end her own
suffering with photoshopped text
messages to sell it. The people,
>> this guy,
>> I mean, I mean,
>> super idiot. this guy. Don't they
they're reading and listening to
everything you send out.
>> And every one of those [ __ ] inmates
in there when you come to him, some
inmate and say, "Listen, I need you to
help me, you know, kill the prosecutor."
They're like, "Sign me up, bro. I'm
excited about this. Let me make a
[ __ ] phone call real quick."
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I know just the guy.
>> I am so glad.
>> Hey, lawyer. Right.
>> We got some action. We got some a bro.
Anybody, even a criminal that's not a
snitch would be like, "Yeah, let me see
if I can use some leverage with this
guy."
>> This is a get out of jail free card.
>> Yeah. Nobody respects this guy.
>> You want to kill the prosecutor? Wow.
This is great. This is going to kill the
judge.
>> Yeah. Okay, Cho. Yeah. Yeah. Let me Let
me Let me just call somebody.
>> Yeah.
>> Hi, Detective Olsen. Yeah. You told me
to give you a call if there was anything
I could do if I wanted to help myself. I
want to help myself.
>> Every letter becomes a new count on his
indictment. James Craig goes to trial in
July of 2025 on firstdegree murder after
deliberation. Two counts of tampering
with physical evidence, two counts of
soliciting perjury, and soliciting
firstdegree murder. For nearly 2 weeks,
prosecutors walk the jury through every
date in this video. And the defense
answers with the story James told
detectives the night of his arrest that
his wife asked for every poison herself.
Karen Kaine takes the stand and tells
the jury she was deceived. His oldest
daughter testifies about the letters. 12
strangers weigh all of it.
>> Supposed to be able to trust my dad.
He was supposed to be my hero and
instead he'll forever be the villain in
my book. beyond a reasonable doubt find
the defendant James Craig guilty of
murder in the first degree.
>> Guilty on all counts. Dr. James Craig is
sentenced to life in prison.
>> I can't believe the injustice of this.
>> I know that's what that Look at that
face. That that is a sociopath.
>> Yeah, that is. Yeah,
>> that's You know, you better just stand
there stoically and just take it, bro.
This guy's like what a [ __ ]
>> Without the possibility of parole plus
33 years and transferred into the
Colorado Department of Corrections. At
sentencing, Angela's sister Tony faces
him and says Angela was a light you
never deserved. You may have temporarily
dimmed her light in this life, but it
will continue to shine in those she
loves and that loved her in return.
Angela Craig was 43 years old. She
raised six children, spent more than two
decades married to one man, and loved
genealogy, tracing the people she came
from, spending one of her last good
weeks doing exactly that with her
sister. In her final 10 days, she
trusted her own body over every clean
test result, and she was right. Her
instincts caught James Craig before any
detective did.
>> There you have it, folks.
>> He's done. Colorado not getting out.
from sea to shining sea.
>> It's just it's upsetting.
It's upsetting.
>> And you know what's upsetting is that he
dyed his hair. He managed to bleach his
hair in there. That's what's upsetting.
>> I think that's white hair, right? Isn't
that just white?
>> Is that just him stressed out?
>> No, I think his hair was white before. I
think obviously over the course of a
year or two, it probably got more white.
>> I I want to say he bleached. I wanted to
say he he was going through an an early
Eminem phase. and decided to bleach it
in there. That's what I'm gonna vote
for.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, marriage is hard.
>> Yeah.
>> Living in the suburbs, you know, you
think it's a green, it's a picket fence.
Let's have six kids. Let's uh let's go
to TGI Fridays on the weekend.
Let's um let's drive to soccer practice.
Let's eat a lot of processed food. Let's
Let's all be looking at screens all of
the time. Let's put more value in
material things than in in in spiritual
things, in intellectual things.
>> Oh my god.
>> Let's think Vegas is a cool place to go.
I bet they took their kids to Vegas on
vacation.
>> Oh my god. Listen, James and and Angela,
it was it obviously was he was a a
psychopath. And I feel bad for Angela.
>> Yeah, I feel bad. I feel bad. It's not
right what he did. No,
>> I'll say that. Hey.
>> Hey, I look Matt, I don't know how about
you feel. I don't know how you feel, but
I'm gonna say what he did to her was not
right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I was, you know, I've
been married, so you know, I've I've,
you know, there are times Yeah. No, it
was wrong. It was wrong. He's a
douchebag. Um
>> Yeah. He's just a jerk. He's a He's a
You know what? He's a meany weenie.
>> Yeah. Of course, getting getting
divorced with a bunch of young kids.
It's like he's already in bankruptcy,
right? Like he was already having
problems obviously,
>> right? Well, it's like the video we
watched last week of the woman who when
she killed her husband, she went and
spent all of his money. This seems like
this is like a pattern of of psychosis
that that spousal murderers go through.
He just started blowing money on on
broads he just met. He he was bankrupt.
Uh the his his business partners
basically put him on restriction. Like
the walls were closing in and then he
just said, "You know what? Let's just
put the whole I got 10 toes in right
now. Let's just jump in all the way.
Let's just finish myself off." So, it's
interesting. I find it fascinating why
people decide to throw their lives away
like this and in such a stupid way.
>> Yeah. And to think you're going to get
you're just not going to get away with
it. Like stop. It's just not possible
anymore. And and him being a dentist,
you'd think he was smart. He's clearly
not.
>> Dentists, they're not that smart. They
memorize a bunch of [ __ ] that they teach
him in dental school. That's not like
>> it's not real brains.
>> It's not real brains. It's okay. You
could memorize well. You're a good
student. And that's all we need dentists
to be are good students. You're not
smart. Stop it.
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>> All right, you guys. Well, uh, rest in
peace, Angela. Uh, big shout out to
Aoyer, Colorado. Huge shout out to
Aurora. You guys are the best. I love
it. If you're at a Buffalo Wild Wings
right now, I hope you win those tickets
at the little the little the arcade
games you're playing.
>> Aurora, I I uh to the to the city of
Aurora. I think you deserve better than
James. I really do.
>> Yes, you deserve that kid that uh shot
up the movie theater.
>> All right. Thank you. See you. Love you
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