00:00 Dude, it'd be so cool to own a golf

00:01 course. And then I talk to people,

00:02 they're like, "Bro, no."

00:04 >> Yeah.

00:04 >> It's a lot of work for no money. You

00:06 took ownership of the club you're an

00:08 employee of, and now you're like, "Wow,

00:10 you know, we're making more money and

00:11 I'm working less. Like, this is weird."

00:12 So, you guys buy this golf club. Now,

00:16 you're going to invest a million bucks

00:17 into building, you know, the indoor side

00:19 of it to to make money year round. Y

00:21 >> Which side do you think would be more

00:22 profitable?

00:23 >> Golf course, always.

00:24 >> Why is it that so many golf courses lose

00:27 money?

00:28 Welcome back to another M19 podcast.

00:30 Today we're over here at the lodge over

00:32 in Tory Pines in San Diego. It is

00:35 absolutely amazing this course. We're

00:37 getting ready to go play Delmare Country

00:39 Club later today, then the Tory Pines

00:41 North and South afterwards. But today

00:43 we're going to be talking about a guy

00:44 who actually owns a golf course out in

00:47 Michigan, Quell Ridge Country Club. I've

00:49 got Kyle Holmes. What's up, man?

00:50 >> How you doing,

00:51 >> dude? So, I'm super fascinated with

00:54 owning a golf club. is something like

00:56 now that I own kind of a digital golf

00:58 club, I'm like, man, dude, do I want to

01:00 own a physical golf club? We got a few

01:01 people in the group who own golf clubs.

01:03 >> Uh, tell me how you got into it.

01:05 >> I mean, golf has been my entire life.

01:07 You know, I grew up in in the industry.

01:09 My father's a superintendent, my

01:11 brother's a superintendent, so I was

01:13 around golf my entire life. And uh I

01:15 went the other route where I did the

01:17 whole PGA program and assistant GM and

01:22 just kind of thought that was going to

01:23 be my destination for the rest of my

01:25 career. And I uh was presented with an

01:28 opportunity to buy the course that I was

01:29 running. And uh nothing about anything

01:32 that I do has changed other than the

01:34 fact that I now own it and also operate

01:36 it. Um but yeah, I mean it's there's no

01:40 fairy tale with how I got into golf. I

01:42 just have been around it my entire life.

01:44 has been a thing that you've just done.

01:46 So,

01:46 >> this is a really fascinating thing to

01:48 me. We were having breakfast this

01:49 morning. Yeah.

01:50 >> And just talking about how,

01:52 >> you know, you essentially were an

01:53 employee for most of your life

01:55 >> and then you took ownership of the club

01:58 you're an employee of and now you're

02:00 like, "Wow, you know, we're making more

02:02 money and I'm working less. Like, this

02:04 is weird." Yeah. Like, what's the

02:05 transition been like?

02:07 >> It has been uh it's been interesting to

02:09 be honest with you. It it it's been a

02:11 learning experience for me to to step

02:14 back and kind of hand the reins over to

02:17 people who do what I used to do, you

02:20 know. Um but also kind of keeping tabs

02:23 on how things are going and you know the

02:25 the bottom line and the financials are

02:27 always going to be top of my mind. Um,

02:29 but the daytoday, who's opening up the

02:31 pro shop, who's managing the t-shirt,

02:33 who's booking the out audience, things,

02:35 all the things that I did my entire

02:36 career, you know, passing that on to the

02:39 people that are more suited to do that

02:41 every single day. Uh, it's been fun. You

02:44 know, it wasn't without hesitation.

02:46 There definitely have been moments where

02:47 I'm like, am I ready to do this?

02:50 >> But the more I do it and the more I step

02:51 away from it, the more I feel like,

02:53 yeah, this is this is the next chapter.

02:55 This is the next step for me.

02:57 >> Yeah. So tell me a little bit about now.

03:00 So since you took it over, have you guys

03:02 become more profitable? What are changes

03:03 you've made? All that stuff.

03:05 >> Yeah. Yes. And yes.

03:06 >> Okay.

03:07 >> Um I mean I very fortunate to have

03:10 bought a golf course that was already

03:11 profitable. Um and I didn't have any

03:14 questions about what I was buying

03:15 because I was running it before I bought

03:16 it.

03:16 >> Yeah. You [laughter] knew it better than

03:17 anyone.

03:18 >> So I knew what the financial I knew what

03:20 the financials looked like. I knew how

03:21 that was going to play out. Um and it

03:24 has just continued on that trend. Uh but

03:26 it it has allowed me and my business

03:28 partner to all the things that we've

03:31 always wanted to do in the back of our

03:33 head knowing that we would have to ask

03:34 somebody else. We just have a

03:36 conversation and we decide is this

03:38 something we want to do, you know, and

03:41 you know, like right now we're we're

03:42 currently constructing a building that's

03:44 going to open in a couple months that's

03:45 going to provide, you know, that indoor

03:47 outdoor simulator experience in the

03:50 winter, which in Michigan you don't make

03:52 money when there's snow on the ground,

03:54 >> right? But you still got bills.

03:55 >> Yeah, we still got bills and all that

03:57 stuff keeps happening and we didn't have

03:59 to ask anyone, you know. We we just did

04:02 it.

04:02 >> How much is that going to cost?

04:03 >> Uh all said and done, million dollars.

04:06 >> Wow.

04:07 >> Yeah.

04:07 >> So you guys buy this golf club. Now

04:10 you're going to invest a million bucks

04:12 into building, you know, the indoor side

04:14 of it to to make money year round.

04:16 >> Yep.

04:18 >> Which side do you think would be more

04:19 profitable?

04:20 >> Golf course. Always. Okay.

04:21 >> For sure. Yeah. Why is it so that so

04:23 many golf courses lose money?

04:26 >> Um that's that's been my fear because

04:28 I'm like, "Dude, it'd be so cool to own

04:29 a golf course." And then I talk to

04:30 people,

04:31 >> they're like, "Bro, no."

04:33 >> Yeah.

04:33 >> It's a lot of work for no money.

04:35 >> Yeah. I mean, area is a big part. So,

04:38 I'm in Southwest Michigan and I don't

04:40 know if you've been to Michigan or not,

04:41 but the people in Michigan are golf

04:43 fanatics.

04:44 >> Really?

04:45 >> Absolutely. Golf fanatics.

04:46 >> Okay. I didn't know that. I mean, if you

04:47 take like golf courses per capita, the

04:50 amount of people, it's Florida,

04:52 California, Michigan.

04:54 >> I would have never expected that because

04:56 if I love golf, which I do, I want to

04:58 play golf all year. I'm not going to

05:00 live in a place that doesn't make like

05:02 Florida and Cali make perfect sense.

05:04 >> Yeah.

05:04 >> You know, Vegas, Arizona, you know,

05:07 Texas, these, you know, where a lot of

05:08 the pros and stuff live at the southern

05:10 belt. But, you know, I do see that

05:13 there's tons of great courses in

05:14 Michigan, like for destinations. Yeah.

05:17 And then I look it up and I'm like,

05:18 yeah, we basically have like a four or

05:20 five month window where we have to go

05:22 absolutely

05:23 >> do these trips.

05:24 >> I'm just surprised that so many people

05:25 in Michigan would actually be golfers.

05:27 >> Well, let me ask you a question. As

05:30 somebody who wants to play golf all the

05:31 time, you know, year round in Las Vegas,

05:34 you can do it whenever you want.

05:35 >> Yep.

05:35 >> If you couldn't play for five months,

05:38 >> bro, hate it. How much would you desire

05:40 to play when golf courses opened?

05:43 >> A lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pent up demand.

05:45 >> That's what happens. And we all kind of

05:48 suffer through winters and everyone has,

05:49 you know, some people ski or snowmobile

05:51 or they they go south or whatever their

05:54 thing is, but when golf courses open,

05:57 everyone comes back.

05:58 >> You know what's funny? So, I think

06:00 Canada is very much the same way.

06:01 >> Yeah.

06:02 >> So, we have a lot of Canadians in M19

06:04 now, if people didn't know. Um cuz one

06:07 of my buddies was like, "Hey, uh you

06:09 should start running ads in Canada." I'm

06:11 like, "Why?" They're like, "Canadians

06:14 travel more than any other country in

06:16 the world." And I was like, "Huh? I run

06:19 a business based on travel [laughter]

06:22 >> to different locations when your weather

06:24 sucks." Yeah.

06:25 >> And uh sure enough, I started running

06:27 ads and the Canadians are like, "Oh

06:28 yeah, exactly what we want." And so I

06:30 would imagine a lot of what do you guys

06:32 call yourself? Michigan nights.

06:34 >> Michiganers. Michiganders.

06:35 >> Yeah.

06:36 >> Okay. [laughter]

06:37 >> I would imagine a lot of Michiganders

06:39 travel a lot.

06:40 >> Yeah, they Yeah, they do. And uh very

06:42 much seek out warm destinations. You

06:44 know, Florida is probably the biggest

06:46 one just cuz it's a direct flight. Two

06:48 and a half hours. Not a big deal.

06:50 >> But, you know, behind us through these

06:52 curtains, we have the Pacific Ocean. A

06:54 beautiful view. Yeah.

06:55 >> We have that in Michigan.

06:57 >> Yeah. The lake.

06:58 >> It's just the lake. But when you're

06:59 standing at Lake Michigan and you're

07:01 looking out,

07:02 >> there's waves. There's a beach and you

07:04 can't see the other side. It looks the

07:06 same.

07:06 >> It's like you're at an ocean.

07:07 >> Wow.

07:07 >> We just only get the beauty and the

07:10 warmth of that for like five to six good

07:12 months a year.

07:13 >> Right.

07:14 >> So, for you, what is the plan now? I

07:17 mean, obviously, it's going great.

07:20 You've been doing it a couple years as

07:21 the owner

07:22 >> and uh you're expanding to this this

07:25 indoor thing, which is going to come

07:26 with new things you weren't planning for

07:28 and whatever else.

07:30 >> Do you want to own more golf courses? Do

07:32 you want to expand like more indoor

07:34 stuff? What do you think?

07:35 >> Yeah, I would say as I kind of plot out

07:38 what I envision my future looking like,

07:40 it's always going to be golf centric

07:42 because it's what I know and it's what

07:43 I'm good at. Um I I would like to

07:47 acquire more golf courses and show

07:51 people how to make them profitable, how

07:53 to run them, and then just kind of keep

07:55 an eye from afar. You know,

07:57 >> maybe you'll do some consulting.

07:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. And the the beautiful thing

08:00 about, you know, having one golf course

08:03 is when you tell somebody, hey, you own

08:05 a golf course or like, you know, just

08:07 like you think about you own a golf

08:08 course. Yeah. You go play golf there.

08:10 >> We also own the land, you know, and so

08:13 there's a real estate play to that.

08:15 Yeah.

08:15 >> And the more I think about the future,

08:17 the more golf courses that potentially

08:19 could be acquired is more land that you

08:22 could have and real estate is something

08:26 that you can't make more of.

08:27 >> Yeah. you know,

08:28 >> well, even for me as a real estate guy,

08:30 it's interesting because now that I'm in

08:33 the golf world, too, I see basically

08:36 three models that people use for golf at

08:39 this point. I see there's public courses

08:42 that basically they have no real estate.

08:44 It's just public. They make money. It's

08:46 just an event space essentially. Um,

08:49 then there's the private, you know,

08:52 model where you sell real estate and

08:53 it's like Discovery Land Company's done

08:56 the best job at this. These guys kill

08:58 it. Basically putting the golf course

09:00 there, building world-class amenities

09:01 and selling luxury homes. And it's like

09:03 for them, the golf doesn't make anything

09:05 essentially. It's the real estate.

09:06 >> It's the perk of the real estate

09:08 >> that makes all the money, right?

09:09 >> And then the third model is what we see

09:12 on a lot of these M19 trips where these

09:14 guys build massive resorts. And once

09:16 again, the golf really is whatever as

09:18 far as the money goes, but you're going

09:20 to make so much money from the resort

09:22 itself. Yeah. And you know, you see that

09:24 at Bandon and Pebble and Pinehurst and

09:28 Stream Song and all these places that

09:30 we've been where it's like, "Oh, bro,

09:32 this resort is packed.

09:34 >> I see the nightly rates cuz we book them

09:36 all." I'm like, "Bro, some of these

09:37 resorts are $1,000 a night for a basic

09:39 room."

09:40 >> Yeah.

09:40 >> And you have to stay at the resort if

09:42 you want to play that course.

09:43 >> Y

09:44 >> and so I'm like,

09:45 >> clearly uh sleeping in a 200 foot room

09:48 for 1,000 a night is very profitable.

09:51 >> Yeah. Yeah, it has to be. I would imag

09:53 not not having a real estate background

09:54 that has to be profitable.

09:56 >> Yeah. [laughter]

09:57 >> I just see like these different models

09:59 that people use golf for and it's

10:01 fascinating to me of like, oh, okay,

10:04 maybe one day I am going to combine my

10:06 expertise in real estate and golf with I

10:10 see how they make so much money.

10:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. And as you bring that up,

10:14 you know, it kind of was get my mind

10:15 going thinking about as you were

10:17 discussing that, you know, I've been to

10:19 I've been to resorts and I've

10:20 experienced that whole like small room,

10:23 beautiful amenities, all that kind of

10:25 stuff. And the golf course that I own,

10:27 you know, we don't have lodging.

10:29 >> Yep.

10:29 >> We we have a restaurant, but it's not

10:31 like people don't come in when they're

10:32 not playing golf, right? You know, it's

10:34 just

10:34 >> it's for the golfers. There is if you

10:36 know who you are, what your golf course

10:39 is, and where you're at,

10:42 >> you can make anything profitable. Yeah.

10:44 >> You just have to be willing to accept

10:46 where you're at, who your customers are,

10:49 and what they desire.

10:50 >> Yeah.

10:51 >> You know, cuz we have private courses

10:52 that have initiation fees five miles

10:55 down the road and they are astronomical

10:57 and they have beautiful buildings and

10:58 they struggle. Yeah. Because what else

11:01 are you going to get other than paying a

11:03 high fee to play the same golf course

11:05 over and over where we're just out there

11:07 saying, "Hey, we have a beautiful golf

11:09 course. You're going to have fun playing

11:11 it. You're going to have a great meal.

11:12 If you want to have a drink, it's going

11:14 to take you four hours in and out."

11:16 >> Yeah.

11:17 >> And that's what they want. And we know

11:18 that's who we are. Mhm.

11:20 >> You know, and I think that is how I

11:22 would describe the golf industry and why

11:24 kind of going back to why a lot of

11:26 places aren't successful is cuz they try

11:28 to be something that they can't be.

11:31 >> Yeah, for sure. So, what made you want

11:34 to join M19?

11:36 >> I honestly had this conversation just

11:39 the other day. It was one of those

11:41 things where I was just kind of

11:43 scrolling through and I saw it and it's

11:44 very out of my nature to to click on

11:48 something like that, but it was just I

11:51 always knew that I thought about things

11:54 differently than other people, you know?

11:56 I always I don't I don't desire all the

11:59 accolades and all the success and and

12:01 money that comes with it. I just knew

12:03 that like I was meant to to do things

12:06 that other people couldn't. And when I

12:08 saw M19 come through, I kind of got that

12:11 feeling that like, hey, this is a group

12:12 of people who just want to be around

12:15 other people who think differently,

12:17 >> who can

12:18 >> can open up conversations and windows

12:21 that, you know, you always kind of wish

12:22 you had with people that are in your

12:24 life, but they're just not there, you

12:26 know, and I found that.

12:27 >> Nice.

12:28 >> Absolutely.

12:28 >> Yeah. What would you say to somebody

12:30 who's been on the fence? They've seen

12:31 the ads just like you did. They're not

12:33 like inclined to normally do stuff like

12:36 that.

12:36 >> Yeah. I would say if you feel what I

12:39 felt absolutely I mean what what is the

12:42 downside

12:44 >> you're going to meet a bunch of people

12:46 that think like you who are in different

12:48 industries most of the people I meet do

12:50 nothing that comes in any kind of

12:52 relation with what I do at all

12:54 >> in every conversation I have whether

12:56 it's with you in real estate or somebody

12:59 else in finance or things like that

13:01 things that I don't deal with on a

13:02 regular basis I always learn I'm

13:04 constantly growing my knowledge

13:07 knowledge just by talking to people.

13:09 >> Yeah.

13:09 >> You know.

13:10 >> Yeah. What What are some trips that

13:12 you're excited to go on?

13:14 >> I mean, here Tory Pines, unbelievable,

13:17 right? Uh Pebble Beach is a a bucket

13:19 list for me for sure. Um and as a

13:22 Michigander, you know, the whole like

13:24 Arcadia Bluffs, Forest Dunes.

13:28 I'm trying to think of I mean, I really

13:30 want to get to Bandon.

13:31 >> Yeah.

13:32 >> I really

13:32 >> So, you haven't done any of those that

13:34 you mentioned?

13:34 >> No, I mean I mean I've been to Arcadia.

13:36 Okay.

13:36 >> You know, and I' I've been to Forest

13:38 Dunes, but I haven't played it.

13:39 >> Got it.

13:40 >> Um, just because that's where I live.

13:42 >> Yeah.

13:42 >> Um, but yeah, as far as travel goes, I

13:44 would say outside of Tory Pines to me,

13:47 2008 when Tiger Woods made that putt to

13:49 win the US Open,

13:51 >> it was just always it was like a moment

13:53 like I'll never forget and it just kind

13:55 of stuck with me. And so when this

13:57 popped up, I was like, I have to go

13:58 there.

13:59 >> Yeah.

13:59 >> Um, and then Pebble Beach and Bandon are

14:02 are the other two for sure.

14:03 >> Yeah, we're going to Bandon in two

14:05 weeks. And uh I can tell you it's

14:08 definitely worth it. Yeah, it's crazy.

14:10 I'm

14:10 >> sure it is.

14:11 >> Um Pebble's obviously amazing, too. We

14:13 were there about four or five months

14:14 ago. And uh yeah, it's uh I'm excited to

14:18 go to Michigan because I just keep

14:20 hearing about just the beauty of Lake

14:22 Michigan and these courses over there.

14:24 And you know, now hearing you talk about

14:26 like, yeah, dude, they love golf out

14:29 there. They're built all this stuff.

14:30 >> Yeah. I did not know was number three uh

14:35 with Florida and and Cali. That's kind

14:37 of crazy.

14:37 >> I know. And what what do we not have in

14:40 common that Florida and California have?

14:42 You guys have weather 12 months a year

14:45 and we don't. You know, I I I cannot

14:48 explain it other than the fact that

14:50 people in Michigan love golf.

14:52 >> Yeah. And I think you guys just have a

14:53 lot of great nature and scenery that

14:55 make it, you know, just amazing.

14:58 just you look out and you're like, "Wow,

15:00 this is beautiful."

15:01 >> Yeah. And I I think a lot of people that

15:04 have never been to Michigan, you know,

15:05 their their only thought is Detroit

15:09 [laughter]

15:10 >> and downtown Detroit is beautiful and

15:12 they've redone it and like all the

15:14 stadiums are down there. It's it's

15:15 great, but like Metro, you know, it it

15:17 has its lackluster things.

15:19 >> Yeah.

15:20 >> But that's what people define our state

15:22 as.

15:23 >> Yeah. We have Lake Superior. We have

15:24 Lake Michigan. We have Lake Hiron. We

15:26 have the Meno Bridge, you know. We have

15:28 We call them mountains. They're not

15:30 really real mountains, but they're

15:32 getting up there, you know? We're like,

15:33 we're getting close.

15:34 >> We have enough of everything that is not

15:36 Metro Detroit.

15:38 >> Yeah. I had uh It's funny. This is like

15:40 maybe eight years ago. I was like, I'm

15:42 going to buy rental properties. And I

15:43 was like, dude, you could buy properties

15:45 in Michigan and Detroit for like $5,000.

15:48 This is crazy. And I was like, "So, so I

15:50 bought uh a duplex in Sageno."

15:53 >> Oh,

15:53 >> yeah. So, I bought it for $16,000

15:56 and I'm like, I don't know, dude. It

15:59 rents for like 800 bucks. It's only 16

16:01 grand. Like, this is a pretty good deal.

16:04 No, no, no, it's not.

16:06 >> You kind of kind of wish you would have

16:07 known me before that and you could have

16:08 called me. I could have given you a

16:10 little insight about Zagen.

16:11 >> Yeah, it wasn't great. Um, every every

16:14 I'm like, where's the rent? And it's

16:17 like, well, we had to evict them, so

16:18 that costs money and this costs money.

16:20 And then, you know, we we have to pay

16:21 the landscaper like 200 bucks a month

16:23 because you're the weeds and bull crap

16:26 here is like insane. And I'm just like,

16:28 what is going on here? Where's the

16:29 money?

16:29 >> And just I mean, a little context, I

16:31 went to Grand Valley State, which is in

16:34 >> in Grand Rapids and outside Grand

16:36 Rapids.

16:36 >> Yeah.

16:37 >> And the main rival is Sagenov Valley

16:39 State. Okay.

16:40 >> And Gran Valley was better at

16:42 everything. better golf, better

16:43 football, better basketball. Yeah.

16:45 Better campus, better everything. But

16:47 like there's a little disdain when you

16:48 mentioned Sagena. Yeah. Just because

16:50 like that is like my college rival.

16:52 Okay.

16:53 >> And I kind of have to carry that for the

16:54 rest of my life.

16:55 >> Yeah. But then, you know, I went to when

16:56 I was playing pro baseball, we traveled

16:59 in the Midwest a lot. And so I remember

17:00 playing in Lancing

17:02 >> and that was great.

17:03 >> Yeah. Like their stadium down there, the

17:05 I don't know. The Lug Nuts. Yep. When I

17:07 was playing, I'm like, "Dude, this is

17:09 cool." And it's like where Michigan

17:10 State is. And

17:11 >> were the West Michigan White Caps around

17:13 when you were playing?

17:14 >> Uh, I don't remember them, but

17:16 definitely the Lug Nuts.

17:17 >> Yeah, the Class A.

17:18 >> Okay.

17:19 >> Tigers affiliation.

17:21 >> Yeah, we definitely played the Tigers,

17:24 man. Is that what they were called? I

17:25 can't even remember back then.

17:26 >> Yeah, it's probably changed in a couple

17:28 names, but that the the low A has always

17:30 been based out of Grand Rapids.

17:32 >> Yeah.

17:32 >> And then double A, I think, is Eerie and

17:35 AA is Toledo.

17:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I I saw too much of

17:39 the Midwest for my liking. Um

17:41 >> I'm sure you saw a lot of

17:43 >> Yeah. And I And I saw Yeah. Not the

17:46 great cities of the Midwest cuz they're

17:48 not in low A and high a ball. They're

17:50 >> we're in the the towns.

17:52 >> I I mean, I got to tell you, as as

17:55 somebody who has followed sports my

17:56 whole life,

17:57 >> Yeah.

17:57 >> that is a life built on passion.

18:00 >> Oh, yeah.

18:01 >> 100%.

18:03 >> Yeah. This what I get to do now is not

18:06 even comparable. Yeah.

18:07 >> No, I mean, kudos to you, though. Like,

18:09 for everyone has to give it the shot

18:11 that they want to give it. I get it.

18:13 >> It was great. I was making 1,200 bucks a

18:14 month

18:15 >> for eight years.

18:17 >> Yeah.

18:18 >> And people are complaining about minimum

18:20 wage and I'm like, "Yeah, we were below

18:21 minimum wage. I don't even know how it

18:23 was legal."

18:24 >> Do you ever get to So, like when we when

18:26 you were in places where like at host

18:28 families and things like that.

18:29 >> Oh, yeah.

18:30 >> And we had to pay for it. Out of 1,200

18:32 bucks.

18:33 >> I [laughter] didn't know that.

18:34 >> Yeah, dude. You have to pay rent. Wow.

18:36 Wow. Okay.

18:38 >> It was crazy. Um, so yeah, but I mean

18:41 obviously great time makes you

18:43 resilient. Yeah. Obviously

18:45 >> if you make it, you make it and that's

18:47 where the money is, but it's like it's

18:49 it's like anything in life like it just

18:51 you keep going up new levels of

18:53 >> man, the competition, everything just

18:55 keeps getting harder and harder and

18:56 harder the more you want to compete, you

18:59 know? So yeah. Um, that's life. And I I

19:01 mean I would say, you know, to kind of

19:03 go back to the whole M19 thing that I

19:06 feel like that is the reason why people

19:08 want to join is because the people in

19:11 this group and who we are, when we get

19:14 to that next level of competition and it

19:16 gets harder, it pushes us harder. Yeah.

19:18 >> And so you want to be around people that

19:20 are like that and then you get to that

19:21 next level and you want to push harder,

19:23 you know, and that's what this group is.

19:24 Yeah,

19:25 >> it is a group of men and women

19:27 >> who have started wherever they started

19:30 and hit areas and been like, I don't

19:32 know, but I know I want to keep going,

19:34 you know, and you just keep going.

19:36 >> It's kind of like me when uh I was seven

19:38 over yesterday through seven.

19:40 >> I was like, man, I kind of just want to

19:42 quit.

19:42 >> I'm just I suck. And then, you know, you

19:44 got to make a choice. We're going to

19:46 just pretend like that didn't happen and

19:48 play it one shot at a time or, you know,

19:51 we're going to quit. And

19:51 >> you want to start that way tomorrow when

19:53 we te

19:53 >> No, no, no. Tomorrow will not start that

19:55 way. Uh I'm warmed up now.

19:56 >> All right. Well,

19:57 >> yeah, I got a big bet on the line today,

19:59 too. So,

20:00 >> okay.

20:00 >> I gotta start hot.

20:02 >> But anyways, hey, if somebody wants to

20:04 connect with you, where where can they

20:05 go?

20:06 >> So, Quil Ridge Golf Club in Ada,

20:08 Michigan. Um QuailGC.com,

20:11 uh Instagram and Facebook is QuailGolf

20:14 Club. There are several of them, but you

20:17 know, ours is a Q with a quail on it.

20:20 the most distinguishable logo that you

20:22 could possibly find for what our name

20:23 is.

20:24 >> Yeah.

20:25 >> Quail Ridge Golf Club. So guys, we will

20:28 link to that down below in the

20:29 description. If you're ever out in

20:31 Michigan, go check them out. Go check

20:33 them out for an early round. If you're

20:35 going to go to one of these other spots

20:36 that we talked about in the beautiful

20:38 state of Michigan, you know, these

20:40 Michiganers all love it. So, um, go

20:43 check it out. And if you want to see

20:44 more episodes like this where we

20:45 interview our M19 members to get a feel

20:47 for who's in this group, what do they

20:49 do, and everything else, make sure you

20:50 subscribe to this podcast, and we'll see

20:52 you on the next one. Peace.