He had a military mindset. He conducted
his operation like a spy. He didn't pick
victims, he picked locations. The FBI
was impressed. They were talking about
how impressive it was.
>> This is where his ransom play is going
to come in. They always talk about how
the murderers in complete control.
They're really not. This [ __ ]
actually was pushing around the cops and
the feds. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
back to the Murderman. God, I'm feeling
good about this one. Matthew,
Matty Cox, tell me something good.
Israel Keys. Israel Keys. And before we
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let's go. Okay. Israel Keys. So, he was
born, Where was he? Was it Alaska? Where
was he born?
>> Israel Keys was born to a family of 10
children in Utah. Utah 1978. He's born
in Richmond, Utah. By the way, handsome
kid. Handsome kid. Kobe, can we pop up
his mug shot?
>> Good looking son of a [ __ ] Good pretty
face, supple lips.
>> Okay,
>> kiss me. Kiss me, but not gay.
>> No, no homo.
>> Not no homo. Kiss me like Sam Little did
that transgender on the dance floor.
>> I love you, bro.
>> I love you, bro.
>> Killed him. Damn.
>> So, yeah.
>> Rest in peace, Sam Little.
>> Yeah. So, initially they were
>> Israel Keys is born to a family of of
LDS psychos, Mormons. Okay. Uh and but
they discovered well their father
decided that Mormonism was a little too
fast and loose. Yeah.
>> Was a little too radical.
>> Oh, what? You guys can have uh decaf
coffee? Yeah. We're not going to corrupt
our children.
>> And they left the Mormon church. So,
don't do the Mormons I I heard that like
the Mormons were allowing uh if you were
like a transgender, they would let you
like like it's like like a it's like a
don't don't ask don't tell kind of thing
like they don't shun them. They just say
just we don't we don't agree with it but
we're not going to stop you from coming.
Still be a member. You can
>> of course cuz if your money is green
these are all rackets you know. So if if
you got a
>> maybe I'm just wondering what I wonder
what was too it was they were what was
too much for him in the church like they
they were too open too too forgiving.
>> You know what I'm going to guess? What
is it? This is what I'm going to guess
because they would he would move his
family uh Mr. Keys uh Israel's father
would move his family to an isolated you
know off the grid area in Washington
state and they join like a kind of a
white supremacist movement. What I think
he didn't like about the Mormons is that
Mormons will go to Africa, South
America, and they'll do missions and
they'll try to convert people. And I
think he was like,
>> we don't like that. We don't like that.
>> Too too many brown. You can't be
bringing the brown people in here.
>> Or maybe he wasn't a fan of soaking.
>> What's soaking?
>> Well, you don't know about soaking.
Soaking is when a young Mormon manuh,
>> because he cannot uh he cannot lose his
virginity before marriage,
>> right? You're allowed to stick your
erect penis inside of a woman, but you
cannot thrust. This is soaking. I want
the definition of soaking popped up in
the screen right now to prove to
everyone that I'm not crazy. That is
called soaking. And what that does is
test your will. Could you imagine
sliding?
>> What if I'm weak?
>> Oh, I'm weak. I'm the weakest man you've
ever met. Oh, I'm I'm leaving the Mormon
church right there.
>> Do you ever watch the series Big Love?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He used to tell his son all
the time, "Remember son, oral is moral."
Oral is oral. Or oral is moral. Anal is
>> I don't know.
>> Anal I don't know what rhymes with anal.
So the kid's going to be weird. If
you're you're already coming from You're
already you're already playing with a
deck half full
>> when you come from a family like this,
right?
>> Yes. Uh 10 children. He's the second of
10 children born to Heidi Keys and John
Jeffrey Keys.
>> The mom, the same mother. 10. Yeah, she
[ __ ] 10 kids out. Yeah, just
she's like a She's like a laying eggs at
that point.
>> That's got to be Yeah.
>> Damn,
>> that thing.
>> Yeah, you got to stuff some You got to
stuff some cold meat in there to tighten
it up.
>> Remember that joke? Hey, honey, you're I
got to go to I got to go to I got to go
to work. By the way, your [ __ ] in the
sink.
I smell a barn burner today.
So, at the tender age of five, uh, when
Israel's 5 years old, 1983, the family
relocates to a remote one room cabin on
Rocky Creek Road north of Kovville,
Washington, Washington State. This is
very, very remote wilderness Pacific
Northwest [ __ ] Kind of where I come
from. U, I'm from the city, but I I know
that there are crazy white trash towns
like this in Washington. It lacked
electricity and running water. Uh he was
homeschooled. So it was it was uh uh it
was near a total isolation kind of
childhood. It was just Israel, his
siblings, and other kind of you know
radical wilderness what do you call
these people? Off the grid survivalist
survivalist. Yeah.
>> Um so from a young age and by the way
they you know I'm not sure that this has
a ton to do with what he ended up
becoming but might as well point it out.
uh they joined a church called the ark
which taught Christian identity beliefs
along with Christian the Christian
covenant church. I guess there was white
supremacists themes and stuff like that
kind of obviously, right? Um but what's
interesting is later
Keys pronounced his atheism.
Israel Keys told his family, "Oh, by the
way, all this [ __ ] you've been trying to
kick to me, there's no God. Suck it."
And then he never sees his family again.
>> No. No. Well, they yeah, they they they
basically said, "Kick rocks. Like, pack
your [ __ ] Get out." They and and the
parents told the his all of his siblings
like, "You can no longer talk to him.
Like, he's dead to us."
>> Right.
>> Uh but so, and during his childhood,
he's already exhibiting uh he's already
exhibiting signs of psychopathy. He's
even for the survivalist children
>> that all have dirt on their face and
[ __ ] raccoon skin hats. Even they're
like, "Oh, this guy's this guy's a lot.
This guy's a lot."
>> Yeah. is capturing uh animals. He's
torturing them, getting them alive so
bad. He was so cruel to some of the some
of his his captured animals that he said
he remembered several of his the other
kids would watch him torture them and
would start throwing up. It was so bad
that because they would squeal and cry
and scream and he would torture them.
He's like, I had no problem with like I
I thought it was funny. He's like, but
they would just they start throwing up
and cry and eventually one of them goes
and uh tells the basically tells his
parents and his the parents end up
telling his parents and they're like,
"What are you doing?" And then the other
kids were no longer allowed to go into
the woods with him.
>> It was so bad and so disturbing that
other that basically he was shunned by
the other
>> group by the group of of children that
he were in this little tiny encampment
that the other parents were like, "Stay
away from him. There's something not
right with them.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't want you going to
the woods and then Yeah. You
>> run out of raccoons.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Next thing you know, you're tied
to a [ __ ] stump.
>> Yeah. You come come back with a bloody
butthole or you just don't come back. I
I just assume there was some deliverance
kind of sodomy. You know, it's it's a
damp Washington forest. Nothing to do up
there. Not a lot of chicks. Somebody's
somebody's getting their cornhole
tickled. You know what I mean?
>> I'd probably do it. I'd probably
experiment with it. What the [ __ ] else
are we going to do? We eat deer soup
every night. We don't have electricity.
We don't have plumbing.
>> Yeah. They didn't have any of that. Any
of it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, so he gets out of there pretty
quickly. By the time he's 18, uh, that's
when he leaves the cult that he grew up
in, right? He tells his parents, "I'm
atheist. I'm out." And he probably knows
that they're going to kick him out and
banish him forever.
>> Yeah. No doubt. And I don't believe he
ever sees them again or talks to them or
has no contact with them.
>> Um, now
>> I'm sure I'm sure the cops showed up and
talked to him at some point.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Can you
imagine like, "Oh, by the way, your kid,
>> hey, you remember that? Remember the one
of your one of your 10 children?"
>> Yeah.
>> Guess what? I got a surprise for you.
>> You made the right move. You made the
right call
>> for sure.
>> You knew something. Um, now it's
important to point out that throughout
his 13
15 years of committing crime and
killing,
>> he doesn't get caught, nor are there any
clues until 2012.
>> Yeah. They say he's he was he was not on
any list. They had no clue. When they
heard his name for the first time, they
said there's it's nowhere. Never. Never.
The guy operated, well, he goes to the
military and he he conducted his
operation like a spy, like a mercenary.
>> Yeah.
>> Burying weapons kits all over the
country, paying for everything in cash,
moving uh, you know, if he had a a
murder to do in Vermont, he would fly to
Chicago, right? I mean, the guy the guy
moved stealthily. Um, but before all
this, before he even goes to the
military, I believe in 1998,
uh, he commits a rape in 1997,
uh, Keys committed his first planned
attack while still a teenager, abducting
a rap teenage girl in Oregon. He told
investigators he had intended to kill
her, but she managed to convince him to
let her go. So, this guy was a he was a
cho, too. He was a he he was a sex
criminal as well.
>> Yeah. He he and he it's funny because
after this he the following day he bered
himself because for his weakness he said
I I realized then he said I was super
disappointed myself they're like for for
the like no for letting her go. He's
like the fact that I allowed her to talk
me into uh letting her go. He said I I
knew at that moment I would never let
another person go. I would never be so
weak as to allow someone to convince me
to let them go. He said from then on he
said I never did.
>> He said I wasn't violent enough.
>> Right.
>> And he actually was disgusted with
certain serial killers who
>> who apologized on the stand. Right.
>> BTK like Deator. Yeah. Who who said you
know I'm sorry. He said you're weak.
>> You're not dedicated to the craft.
You're not an artist.
>> Really? this guy was [ __ ] in. It was
It was insane because the whole time
even though they're they, you know, the
the detectives, it wasn't until I
watched one documentary cuz they keep
alluding to all of the other bodies that
they believe he's attached to.
>> Mhm.
>> But they two of the documentary didn't
even go into it. They never really they
just kept and I kept thinking well just
because he's saying there are other
bodies but he's not gonna he wanted
something in return for everything he
was giving them. Like I was thinking
that [ __ ] they that you don't know
that there's any other bodies. Like why
are they so focused on this? It wasn't
until the one documentary that I watched
and uh doing the research um on Claude
and getting the outline where it starts
laying out oh no no no there are other
bodies and they connected to them. He
just never they never get him. They
never they never get him for them. And
we'll talk about that reason. But the
point is is that no, it's absolutely
like they can see the absolute pattern
and who these people and and then you
think, okay, well that maybe be
coincidence, right? But it's not
coincidence because
several of those bodies that they had
already connected him to, they found the
names on his computer and he had another
computer that he was using to do
research that was that they never found.
So when they say to him, "Where'd you
find the name?" They go, "On your
computer." He goes, "Which which
computer?" And they go, "The lap." He
goes, "My laptop." And they go, "Yeah."
He goes, "Oh, okay." He said, and then
he was kind of like, "It was on the
laptop." Like he was irritated. He gets
angry. I don't know if he was so much
angry at them or he's angry at himself
for [ __ ] up and
>> and actually having
>> looked up the name several times on that
computer.
>> The guy was a perfectionist.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He definitely he had two
separate things that were going on. He
had his normal life that he's pretending
and then he's got the serial killer
where these are missions he's going on
and he's
>> he's doing it in such a way like you
said like a military mission but it's
almost like a spy. The completely
separate life and everything was
separate from that
>> from his normal life.
>> And one of the another thing that made
him so different from any serial killer
is that he had no specific target
patterns. meaning like his victims did
not fit any kind of pattern. What he did
his strategy to avoid getting caught,
which worked brilliantly, was that he
didn't pick victims, he picked
locations.
>> Right?
>> So, if it's in my best interest and I
can elude capture the easiest in remote
places like Vermont, well, guess what?
I'm going to bury a weapons kit nearby.
and then when the time is right, I'm
going to fly there, dig up the weapons,
and kill the first person I see. So, he
did this
as much to satiate his his blood lust.
It was as it was as much a test of not
getting caught.
>> Mhm.
>> It was like, you know, when you're a
kid, well, when I was a kid, we're
always like, "God, I wonder if I could
get away with murder." Everybody, you
know, used to think like that, right?
Uh, shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You know,
you talked about that with your friends.
Think you can get away with murder? This
guy's like living that fantasy, living
that game. Um, right. Because everybody
else, yes, serial killers want to get
away with it,
>> but they're driven by this. It's a mix
of sexual urges like the BTK, right? It
was like an orgasm
>> killing people. I I didn't see that with
with this guy. I didn't see that with
Israel Keys.
>> He does several of the
>> For sure. like get get a two for one,
but you know it's he wanted to get away.
He had a military mindset.
>> Oh god, I'm sorry.
>> Back it up. Back me up.
>> No, I was just
>> Matt react.
>> I was just
>> the two for one joke.
>> Yeah, I just I It made me think of you
know the benefit of of strangling a
strangling a prostitute.
>> No,
>> second one's for free.
>> Nice one. Nice one.
>> Horrible, bro. Horrible. Oh man,
horrible. Okay, so uh now Keys uh has
not killed yet when he joins the army.
Okay, he enlists in December of 98
serving as a gunner and assistant gunner
with the fifth infantry regiment uh at
Fort Lewis, Washington. Besides being
kind of a drunk and making his fellow
infantrymen weird feel weird, he was
good at his job, right? Like he was
really like sharp and reliable and took
the [ __ ] very seriously. Yes.
>> Um he did get a Dewey. So the guy was a
drinker. He liked uh Wild Turkey
bourbon. So he had very humanistic kind
of American qualities. Right. He really
did.
>> He's an all-American guy.
>> He was. And then you know what? He went
and married a native woman
>> which his parents would have loved.
right? Breaking his parents' heart. But
isn't that funny? We always try to get
away from our our parents, you know. So,
he he's not a racist. He goes and
marries uh he actually spends time on
the Macau Indian Reservation, which I
believe is also in Washington State. Um
and he got a DUI. Hey, go figure. He's
an alcoholic and he married a Native
American woman. So, uh he spends time up
there on the Indian Indian reservation
and they have a daughter born in 2001.
Uh, and by the way, he loved his
daughter. He talks about when he's
getting arrested. I hate to jump ahead
here, but on camera, he's saying, "I
will show you where the other other
bodies are, but I want you to execute me
within one year."
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz I want my daughter to have a normal
life and be able to move on from this
[ __ ]
>> Yeah. didn't want any he part of the
reason he didn't want any publicity um
or find out that the media was been they
were leaking information to the media or
anything was he didn't want his daughter
to be notified or realize what had
happened. He wanted to be able to be
executed and all of this been be done
with so she could have a normal life.
>> And the cops were like,
>> "Yeah,
>> that's not really how the justice system
works. We're not like the
>> we're just the cops."
>> Yeah.
>> Can't negotiate how quickly they're
going to execute you.
>> Aren't you smart? like this isn't North
Korea.
>> Yeah, he's
>> we can't just pop you.
>> Uh, as much as we would like to,
>> we would love to.
>> So, he gets discharged in 2001. Uh,
relocates with his girlfriend and infant
Squa to Nia Bay, Washington, a small
fishing community of roughly 800 people
in the Maca Indian Reservation. He took
a job with the Macau Tribal Council.
This guy's fascinating. first in parks
and recreation before moving into
construction and handyman work, which is
what he did. That was his cover
business. Not even his kind of cover.
That's what he did for a living. He was
a handyman and a carpenter. Um,
>> well regarded by his uh by his
co-workers.
>> He did rob some bank.
>> That's true. He did end up he did end up
robbing banks. Gangster. And you know,
he robbed people a lot of his victims
too. He would force them to go to the
ATMs. He kidnaps one of his vict victims
and gets and gets a ransom for it. But
>> G [ __ ]
>> right. Yeah. Well, listen, being serial
color doesn't pay.
>> You have to have some You have to be
able to monetize it somehow.
>> YouTube.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> YouTube channel.
>> He He'd have been huge on YouTube.
>> Yeah. He was before his time, but if he
had had like a a faceless YouTube
channel or even if he was a streamer,
>> I was thinking that
>> like, "Hey guys, I'm on my way to I'm on
my way to pick up a weapons kit in um
>> here's how you do
>> Oklahoma." I He'd have to It'd have to
be like Rumble.
>> Yeah, you have to do it on Rumble. Or
what's what's like the what? There's
other streaming networks now.
>> Twitch. Is there Twitch?
>> Yeah, but no, you're way behind, bro.
Kick. There we go. He would do fabulous
on Kick.
>> We I'd platform him.
>> Hey, free speech, dude. Um, over the
following years, so from 2001 to 2006,
he's living on Washington State. Keys
told investigators he killed an
unidentified couple somewhere in
Washington State between 2001 and 5. So,
he really was not forthcoming with the
details at all. That doesn't tell us
much. He also confessed to two
additional separate murders in '05 or
'06, disposing of at least one victim
near Lake Crescent, Port Angeles,
Washington. Now, these if you want to
get away with murder, go to an area like
Port Angeles, Washington. It is so
remote. It's gorgeous, but it's just
nothing but vast forest and lakes and
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>> Um, even to this day, that's probably
the best area to go.
>> You would think most
>> you can see the flock cameras and cut
them down before you do your work. Go
ahead.
>> You would think most of the time, uh, he
would bury them or something. I I I
wonder about that because he doesn't get
specific enough. He just says like I he
left the body here or he left the body
here or he disposed of the body. always
wonder if he was if he was um burying
them because or are these places so
remote
>> because my fear is that a lot of these
places that are remote
>> don't have any animals to eat the
bodies.
>> Yeah. They don't Exactly. Or they're
they're well they may be remote but
they're well traveled by like hikers,
right? So you leave a body then the
animals then it may and it's freezing
cold so they don't have a lot of of the
animals big enough animals, right? Or
well I guess they're pretty big. I mean
during the summer time you probably have
wolves man I don't know that's this is
something that he definitely researched
though you know what I mean
>> kind of a survivalist right like he he
grew up at almost as a survivalist he he
hunted he did he did all this
>> you know I'm sure skinned [ __ ]
animals did all well we talk about what
he has with this one chick but uh he
didn't have like to me the the here's
the problem with because obviously these
guys are serial killers are not thinking
along the same lines but um when these
bodies are dead Like I just can't
imagine
moving the body or cutting into a body
or touching a like this is a dead
person. Like to me it's like I it's
distasteful. These guys are [ __ ]
hanging out with them. These guys
>> talking to them. Well, when you're up
there alone and you got nobody to talk
to, it's like
>> Dmer or even Bundy would come back. They
they'd come back a couple days later and
have sex with the bodies. And they would
do it until basically they get to the
point where they're like until I would
do it until there were maggots and flies
and you just couldn't use like you just
couldn't do it anymore,
>> right? They work on their ventriloquist
work. How are you? I'm pretty good. Was
that was that good for you?
>> Oh, that was so good for me.
>> So, do you like when I do that thing
with my tongue? Oh, it drives me drives
me nuts.
>> So, um yeah. So, I wonder how he's
disposing of them that they're not being
discovered. Is he burying there?
>> I mean up there it's pretty easy to find
places where hikers never go. Okay.
>> There's a ton cuz we my family cuz we're
from Portland so we used to go up to
like uh the Port Angeles area and you
can go, you know, you could take a ferry
to these I mean I guess you taking you
can't really take a ferry with a body,
>> huh? No,
>> it's a rug. It's a rug. No, but you
could put it in your trunk because you
drive your car on there and there was no
security back then. There's no like
scanners. Did you ever do that thing
where in the um uh in the hotel where
you you take a couple of your pillows
and you wrap it up in a blanket and then
you tie it
>> so it looks like a body and you leave it
on the You ever see Yeah. You ever do
that? I did that.
>> I did that. I took photos. I sent it to
Jess. I [ __ ] I was [ __ ] hilarious.
I was like, "Leave it." Like she said,
"Don't do it." I said, "Oh my god, it's
so funny."
>> Oh, you
>> Yeah. I can't stay at Hilton Hilton
anymore, but but still hilarious.
>> Black practical joker. You Have you ever
been walked in on jerking off in a hotel
by uh housekeeping?
>> I I have. You know, you know the way to
deal with that
>> is what you
do. What you do is if you stop, it's
embarrassing for you. If you keep going,
it's embarrassing for them.
>> So, you got to keep going and then they
then they're apologetic and they leave
and they're embarrassed and you just
keep going. I haven't been walked in on
jerking off, but I have I did get walked
in on having violent diarrhea when I was
in Mexico last month. Violent.
>> What do they call that? Montazuma's
revenge.
>> Yeah, Montazuma's revenge. Yes. And I
was having the revenge, dude.
>> That's what I said. And then she I was
like, I need more toilet paper. And she
brought it for me. H, you know, this is
a a testament to how to the the spirit
of the Mexican people. I left a shitload
of money just because I'd [ __ ] the
room up.
>> And uh I was outside on my on my balcony
just smoking a joint just like trying to
feel better. And she comes out and she
goes, "This is a lot of money."
>> Yeah.
>> And I go, "It's for you." And I felt
like such a good guy.
>> And you hugged her like she was a small
child. She's Mexican. She's 5'2. You're
like, "It's okay."
>> Anyways, what a You know,
>> I love Mexico.
>> Really cool.
>> It's terrific. I'm like a giant down
there. The average height's like 5'4.
Massive.
>> You're like me.
>> I'm pushing people around.
>> You're like me down there.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Let me ask this because I don't
want the audience to be confused. So So
you guys are saying that he's confessing
to these murders, but he's like he's
confess confessing to a murder in 2001,
2005, but he's not confessing at that
time. This is later on.
>> Of course later. And also, by the way,
and it'll make more sense at the end
when they catch him, he's not specific.
>> Okay, he does. He's not He'll say,
"Yeah, there's a murder in this general
area during this general time." He
doesn't say like in January. He's not
He's not uh uh Samuel Little. He's not
saying, "Yeah, it was January uh it was
late January, you know, 1985
in here on this street." Like, he's not
doing that at all.
>> He was like Sammy Little was like a
human GPS for for the bodies. Yeah. This
is
>> this guy is he's very vague because what
he's trying to do is he's trying to he's
trying to negotiate like I'll tell you
to let you know I'm serious. I'll give
you this one. And he gives it to them
and then now they check it out and they
go, "Holy [ __ ] that's right. He's
right." He's like, "Right." And I've
been doing this for 14 years. He's like,
"So you can imagine I've got them all
over the United States." Yeah. And so
they're like, "Holy shit." He's like,
"There may be one here in in Vermont in
this general area sometime between 2001
2005." like they're like [ __ ] that
doesn't help us. It does actually help
them later,
>> right? But still not that much. Like at
the end of the day, we're talking about
a guy who won. We're talking about a
serial killer who actually literally
won. Like I think about Kevin Spy's
character in Seven. Like even though he
ends up getting his brains blown out,
>> yeah, he won.
>> [ __ ] great movie.
>> We should talk about how good Seven is
every single episode.
>> I don't mind doing that. I don't mind
bringing up Samuel Little every I'm that
impressed
>> here. Here I'm going to I'm going to be
you,
>> dude. Do you know you know this the
backstory about Brad Pitt?
>> No. What happened?
>> Stop. Stop. I never have to hear you.
Yes, we know what happened.
>> He demanded that the end of the script,
the head be in the box. We
>> I wasn't already impressed with Brad
Pitt. That pushed me over the edge. That
made me go, he's such a badass movie. Go
back and watch that movie. He is He's
He's actually He became a much better
actor. He's not going to He's not that
great. He's great.
>> He's like kind of grinning at the camera
the whole time.
>> No, he's not. He didn't become He didn't
become good as an actor really until
like the mid 2000. Moneyball 2013. That
was his first good movie. No, not his
first movie.
>> It wasn't his first good movie. It was
his first.
He was becoming a good actor.
>> You know who was amazing in that too was
was Jonah Hill. Really everybody in it.
But Jonah Hill was just [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Jonah Hill's great. Yeah, John
Hill is great. Um,
>> a lot of the roles he's playing the same
person
>> for sure.
>> You know what I'm saying? He's just the
same character, but that role he was
very different.
>> Definitely. Uh, so Keys, he's got about
six bodies between 2001 and 2007
where he when he relocates from
Washington State to Alaska, he's got
about he's confessed to about six
bodies. again doesn't give the
locations, doesn't even give the
specific years or the dates, but
confesses to, "Yeah, between 2002 and
2005, I killed two [ __ ] in this
area,
>> right?"
>> Um, in 2007, he relocates to Anchorage,
Alaska with his young daughter. He's now
been divorced from his squa, as we'll
say. Uh, and she's still left on the
reservation.
>> She's lucky she got divorced.
>> Yeah. So, not necessarily serial
killers. Funny how a lot of them
actually do get divorced or actually
because you think it could go the wrong
way. Go the
>> You know, it's like I don't have to pay
alimony. I promise.
>> I could have Chris watched you. Yeah,
but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. I gave you
the whole I gave you the whole teepee. I
gave you, you know,
>> I gave you the buffalo hides.
>> Rental teepeees,
>> right?
>> Hey, in the divorce, I lost I lost my
buffalo hides in the divorce. Um, so
anyways, so he goes to live. So he
starts dating a nurse practitioner.
uh in Anchorage, Alaska. So, he takes
his daughter and they move up there. Uh
now, Alaska is where it really starts to
get goofy.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz you're going to be goofy when you
live up in Alaska. That's a sketchy
[ __ ] place. Even even the bustling
cities to me with two stories um seem
twotory buildings.
>> Bustling. Yeah. Yeah. That even those
seem remote.
>> They seem is everything about and I
could be wrong. Maybe there might be
thriving cities up there. I don't know.
Are there? Because it just seems There's
not. It's where people go on the run.
People that have felonies go to find
work in the oil field or wherever and
then it's Native Americans.
>> Just seems so remote.
>> So remote,
>> right?
>> What What is the biggest
>> dog, bro?
>> Anchorage. How is Anchorage like is it
like a like a city? Is there like a
city? I know there's a city Juno, Alaska
and Anchorage, Alaska,
>> but is it like are they like oh that
looks okay?
>> I mean it's biggest city, bro. It's like
it's like one neighborhood in Tampa. But
yeah.
>> Yeah, I think that looks
>> I'm not saying it's not beautiful or
whatever, but only 291,000 people live
inside the biggest city, Anchorage.
291K. That is like uh that's like the
population of Santa Monica, California.
Less.
>> Yeah, but people live their whole lives
in Santa Monica and never leave.
>> That's a good point. When you go to
Alaska, most people never make it out.
>> Well,
>> it's like Hotel California. So, uh, he
goes up there, he he opens up Keys
Construction working as a self-employed
handyman and contractor. Um,
>> excellent employee, by the way. Did you
see the interview with his former boss?
>> No.
>> He was [ __ ] great. He said, "This guy
never took breaks." He as soon as he
started on a project, he'd worked 8 10
hours straight, never took breaks. He
said an amazing carpenter. He said he
was he he was he was a great employee.
He said, "I trusted him 100%." He said
if he had asked me for a loan or money
to borrow money, he said I'd have given
it to him.
>> Wow.
>> He said every once, he said there were
no red flags. And he said every once in
a while he would say, "Hey, I'm going to
be gone for about five days." He said
every five, six months, no, every few
months, he said, because I think he only
worked for this guy for like a year. It
wasn't very long, but that this is a guy
that was willing to talk. And he said,
but like yeah, like every every month or
so, he said he would he'd just say,
"Hey, I'm going to be gone for about
five or I'm taking next I got to take
next week off or whatever." And then
he'd go, "Oh, okay."
>> Cuz he was such a good employee. It's
like, "Yeah, you need a week off."
>> And he was Yeah. He said, "Listen," he
said, "I didn't have to follow up behind
him. I didn't have to, you know, check
up on him." He said, "It was great."
>> It's incredible. Can we get somebody
like that to work on our podcast?
>> In a year, listen,
>> trust me, five years from now, God knows
what we'll find out about Colby.
>> Yeah. But you know what? It'll have been
worth it. Yeah.
>> And when we find out when Kobe admits to
all the bodies, I'm going to go on
camera and say, "Look, he was an
excellent employee,
>> amazing producer. Amazing.
>> I would hire him now."
>> And and then it'll be the same thing.
It'll be like, "Did the wife know?" And
then like, "No, she had no idea.
>> Two kids.
>> You never know.
>> Model citizen almost worth the murders
that he the good the good that he on the
right end of them.
>> The good the good he contributed to
society outweighed, you know, the
prostitutes that are no longer with us."
Anyways, listen. Uh, we're pro sex work
here on this podcast.
>> Second one is free. And, uh, he did do a
little necro [ __ ] I think I think
there's one case of him of Keys sticking
around after the corpse went cold, but
you know what he, you know, his saying
was uh, it's like the 30 second rule
when you drop something on the floor.
It's the 10-minute rule, but still warm.
It's good. Uh, so during this time he is
an excellent employee, but he also
starts supplementing some of his income
with bank robbery. And you can get up
with bank rob You can get away with bank
robbery in Alaska.
>> No, I wasn't I No, no, he's hit 25
banks. He's flying all over the United
States hitting the banks. Alaska.
>> It wasn't just Alaska.
>> 25.
>> Oh, this guy is a [ __ ] jack of all
trades, bro.
>> If I could just I mean, this guy's so
professional and so good at the bank
robbery. He's like, why do we do we need
another hobby now? Was he going in
strong or was he just using notes?
>> Uh, no. I think he's like jumping over
the counter. He's He's These are These
are coming in. There's not notes. He's
pulling a gun. He's not [ __ ] around.
>> Wow. God, this guy was a [ __ ] What do
you call it?
>> He wasn't going in the vault.
>> Renaissance, man.
>> He wasn't going in the vault. They call
it something else. It was It was the
counter. He wasn't going in the vaults,
though. It was um whatever it is when
you just ask for the [ __ ] c like the
cash drawers.
>> Yeah. Just cleaning out the cash
drawers, right? So, he wasn't walking
away with big scores, but he's making
off with thousands.
>> Yeah. You're still talking about between
$5 to $15,000. Some every once in a
while you get lucky and you get like 30
grand or something. I think the average
bank robber used to be 3500. I think
they said it's like 75 around 7,500 is
the average bank robbery now.
>> Like 20 years ago it was like 35, but
now it's like 75, but inflation
>> but cash is Yeah. worth half that,
right? So, uh, and this is around the
time that he starts burying killits. So,
what's so wild is that this guy is
living so remote, yet he was extremely
mobile.
>> Like, he was moving around. He They
estimate that he traveled to all 50
states
>> and made his way all the way across
Canada, too. So, this guy was all over
the place for being such a remote, you
know, uh, wilderness man. And he paid
for everything in cash. Obviously, cash
that he probably uh took from the banks
>> or victims.
>> Or victims. Yeah, we'll get into that.
>> So,
>> a lot of these guys are now Where do we
go from here? You know what it reminds
me of? You know what it makes makes me
think of?
>> Um, oh, come on. Uh, HH Holmes.
>> Mhm.
>> Where it's like, yeah, serial killer,
but he's he's monetizing it. These guys
that don't monetize it bothers me. Like,
you just killed like a you just killed
like a a a guy who's in his late 50s and
you didn't in his house and you were
alone with him. You took nothing. Like,
you didn't you don't like Are you
independently wealthy? Don't you have to
live like you didn't take the cash like
you didn't ask this guy like you've got
this guy at the you know whatever at
your at your mercy you can't at least
say hey
>> I'm going to
>> this is not like there's no there
there's no retirement for for serial
killers right like I need cash here
>> of course but you know he had high
expenses you know a guy like Israel Keys
going all over flying all over the place
driving all over the place buying
properties he's kind of he's robbing
banks just to fuel his activities right
whereas HH homes really did seem like he
was building wealth by all the bodies
that he disposed of and then sold their
bones, you know, to to the cadaavver
companies, right? Like it was almost
like he was doing it to make money.
>> He was he was working he was living to
work.
>> He was kind of more European. I I work
to live, you know, Israel Keys was like
this is just to fuel
>> my my my passion.
>> I It's not like he by the way, it's not
like he was hurting for money. was
making money because, you know, he owned
multiple property. He owns the property
in Washington. He owned the property in
Al a couple New York State. Yeah. He
owned several properties like he's not
broke.
>> No. No. And I think he's he wants to
leave his his kid with something like he
clearly loved his his daughter, right?
And maybe his girlfriend. Uh so this is
around the time, as I said, that the
kill kits are really starting to come in
handy. So he would put uh weapons, a
gun, knives, uh tarpentine, cleaning
solution, uh burner gloves, right? He
would stick them in plastic buckets.
>> Yeah.
>> And then he would he would cover it
>> like a like a a five gallallon bucket uh
you can bury and he would know exactly
where it was. And he and sometimes some
of these are years later. He wouldn't go
back there for years. And then he would
um and this I didn't even know this was
a thing. I s I learned this that
apparently you can't just leave a a
weapon. You have to grease it. But
because of the military, he was able to
he knew how to grease weapons so that
you could leave them for a decade or
two. And when you take them out, you
just take the weapon apart and you
deggrease it and it's perfectly fine.
It's like it doesn't there's no rust,
nothing. So he was I don't know. I guess
that's the thing.
>> And some of the cops uh he led some of
the cops to his his kill kit.
>> He just he said they were he just told
him. I don't even think he let him. He
just said this is where it is. It was so
precise that the cops in the local they
call it in the local cops could drive
there straight there. Boom. Boom. We're
right here. They dig down
>> 2 feet. Boom.
>> [ __ ] There's a barrel.
>> No GPS or anything. He was just like go
two paces beyond the pine tree in Skoi,
Illinois, you know, by the Dairy Queen.
Yeah.
>> And and it would be there. He said the
cops said the buckets were like
>> immaculately clean. They only were able
to find one partial print on one bullet
>> out of all the kill kits he brought them
to. Like it was like this guy was
thorough.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh and again, as as I mentioned,
>> when he felt the time was right, he
would go dig up the kill kit and just
commit a murder on the first person that
he had the opportunity to kill in that
area. So,
>> uh the killings in Vermont are
particularly interesting. You want to
talk about those?
>> Sure.
>> So, there's a couple, an older couple
that's living in Essex, Vermont. This is
June 8th, 2011. Bill and Lorraine
Courier. Uh, now he waits for them to go
to bed. Now, he cases the joint, too, by
the way. Like the BTK killer. This guy,
he's not cowboying it at all. You know,
he knows that they don't have any any
security cameras. He knows that the
house doesn't have any alarms. I think
he probably knows that they don't have
any weapons in the house, and he knows
they're going to be alone. He knows what
time they go to bed, right? So, they get
into bed. Bill and Lorraine Courier.
It's a.m. So,
>> I'm sure it was an abduction.
>> What?
>> I'm pretty sure this is an abduction.
>> It was I'm getting to it.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. Um
>> because I know it.
>> This is the buildup, dude.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Um God damn it, Matt. Matthew, what's
this problem?
Now it's a.m. Now, let me point
out, too,
he's made his way to Vermont by flying
from Chicago by way of San Francisco by
way of Anchorage. So, this guy is is
covering his tracks by like four degrees
of separation. Anchorage to San
Francisco to Chicago. Nobody looking who
might be looking at him can put any of
this together. This might work in
today's day and age. Yeah. For God's
sakes. Okay. I think he rents a car or
how how does he get
>> However, he is traveling under his own
name.
>> He is traveling under his own name,
right? It It's 2011, so there's not as
still not as much surveillance as there
is today. How does he get from Chicago
to Vermont?
>> Rental cars.
>> Rental cars. Okay. These are lots of
rental cars, which which it's funny.
This is what killed me because there's
there's some stuff that where it's not
just that I'm impressed. It was the the
the the homicide detectives, the FBI was
impressed. They were talking about how
impressive it was the way with his
movements, but then it also while
they're talking, they're talking about
how impressed they were and how much
planning went into it. And then they
would say stuff, you know, but he did he
rented the car in his name or he flew in
his name. And I thought, what the [ __ ]
does that like that you cuz he's paying
for everything in cash? He's leaving no
receipts, no nothing. He's out of the
way gas station, doesn't want to get on
film, does very very cautious of all
this. Yeah, but the rental car was in
your name. So, it's like it's some
stuff. It's like you're brilliant, but
it's also like him saying I'll plead to
the all the all the murders, but you
have to pro you have to you have to um
execute me within one year. It's like
the [ __ ] are you an idiot? Like, that's
not how this works.
>> We're just cops. We don't we can't make
that decision.
>> They weren't watching him. So unless if
he's paying for everything in cash,
unless they're directly they have teams
of people following him or watching, you
know, actually, yeah, if you're paying
for everything in cash, could you pay
for FL can you pay for plane flights in
cash?
>> Yeah, I'm sure you can.
>> Still in today's day and age in 2011,
could you buy plane tickets?
>> If you were to go if you were to go to
the airport and pay
>> I guess so, right? Yeah. You just have
they can't stop you.
>> You just have to present your ID, right?
Um, but again, unless they're already
watching you,
>> you're this bright. Why can't you get a
[ __ ] ID in in somebody else's name?
>> You don't know a Chinese guy,
>> a Russian. You know how many Russian
websites there are
>> that provide IDs? I got you. I'll give
you one right now. No,
>> I know a Russian hooker. I'll get you an
ID.
>> Russian hooker boy.
>> A happy ending.
>> That's right.
>> So, but yeah. Uh, so anyways, he he's
makes his way Anchorage, San Francisco,
Chicago, rents a car, drives up to
Vermont. Um, on the night of June 8th,
2011, a.m. He breaks into their
house. Bill and Lorraine Courier puts a
gun uh to them, forces them into his
car.
>> Okay, this is what I was thinking about.
>> So, Matthew, take it from here. So, he
forces them out of their house, into
their car at gunpoint.
>> Yeah. into their vehicle, by the way.
So, he he and does this uh with uh he
does this multiple times where he'll
take their vehicle and and move them in
their vehicle, even though he's got like
a he's got like a rental car somewhere
around there. He just doesn't want to be
caught driving around, I guess, with
them. So, he takes them, goes um almost
positive they stop at an ATM, they take
as much whatever the max.
>> Yeah. He forces them to take cash.
>> It's not hard to get the guy to go get
some [ __ ] money from the ATM when I
got your wife here with the gun. So, and
luckily they want to do that, too, cuz
they're thinking,
>> "Okay, it's just a robbery. It's a
robbery. I'm giving him 500 bucks. We're
going to be good. He's going to let us
go." Then he takes them to this
abandoned like farmhouse in the middle
of nowhere. It's like a shitty house
that's that's falling apart in the
middle of nowhere.
>> And he never explained to the cops how
he learned about that house, how he knew
it.
>> Keep in mind, he's he's he's already
he's already gone. He he's not he's not
showing up one day and this is just
happening. He's he's doing research,
right? Driving around. This is why it
takes sometimes years before he commits
another murder because he has all this
cased out. He's probably been in the
area before months, years even before he
decided to actually make a move on
>> and he's left his murder kits. He's got
all stuff. So, so yeah, he's been there
before. So, he takes them, he goes up
there, he ties up the husband,
>> he forces them, forces them into this
old shed basically, right? Ties up the
husband.
>> Yeah. and then goes upstairs with the
woman. I believe it's upstairs. I I And
and
>> Yes.
>> And she is screaming the whole time. And
the husband is downstairs and he works
somehow or another he works like his leg
out or something. He doesn't get
completely free of the bind uh of the um
>> of being tied up, but he does manage to
get like one hand free or a leg or
something. and he's instead of like
trying to get away. I understand your
wife is, but I get it. It's horrible.
But uh he tries to climb up the stairs
or get into the other room to stop him.
And you're not going to stop him, bro.
What are you doing? He's got a gun. He's
got a knife. Like, you should know by
this point you need to just get away to
try and find somebody. That's not what
he does. And so Keys hears him coming or
trying to making all this this noise.
Stops, goes in, brutally kills the guy,
shoots him in the head. Yeah.
>> Um and then goes back in. the the and
shoots her in the [ __ ] head,
>> right?
>> Um it's funny because there's an one of
the one of the docs that I heard said he
brings them both in, shoots them both in
the head, and leaves. But you know,
you've been interviewed, right, by these
uh by these um uh like you know, my true
crime story or you know about your
story, right? You ever have the
producers who you tell them the story
and they go, "Okay, uh can you say that
again, but just say this?" And you're
like, they simplify it.
>> Sure. So, some of these docs will
simplify and it's like, wait a second.
Yeah. Ultimately, they were shot in the
head, but there was a brutal attack in
the house.
>> Well, they're not like us. They don't
say things like, "Well, then he went and
took some pussy." They don't talk like
that.
>> So, anyway,
>> but that's what happened.
>> Yeah. But it's and it's also horrible,
too. Imagine like this is an older
woman.
>> Oh,
>> you know, he's a young guy. Like he's
old woman and and and it's it's how
horrible. Like if you were going to kill
them both, why didn't you just kill the
husband right then?
>> Right. And if you're willing to this
woman, she's dead. Why not just But he
likes to torture them. He really gets
off on torturing like animals, people.
That's a thrill for him. He loves that.
>> I know. We were singing his praise for
the last 45 minutes. So, it's important
to remember that this guy at the end of
the day was a monster.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know, it's brutal.
>> It's brutal. It's brutal. When you get
into the nitty-gritty of it,
>> he's not so cool. Uh so anyways, leaves
them there. Leaves the bodies there.
Now, what is so crazy is that like the
next week or something, I don't know
how, very shortly after he commits these
murders, flees the scene, that abandoned
house gets bulldozed down by like the
city or a developer or something. Gets
bulldozed down. They don't even go into
the house.
>> Yeah.
>> To to do one last walk through. They
bulldoze it over, collect all of the
rubble, like they send out like a
backhoe to dump all of the rubble and
the wood and the concrete and the
rhubarb into
>> you know like a large uh like trash
container.
>> Yeah. These 50 these uh uh uh uh what
are they 50 foot um you've seen those
big
>> of course. And and the bodies are never
found.
>> How [ __ ] wild is that? And the people
that went and did it, like the
construction crew, after the FBI talks
to them, they said, "Oh, yeah, it was a
there was a foul smell coming from the
house." So, we just we just said, "Yeah,
let's just knock it over."
>> Yeah. We didn't even go in. Like, you
would think you that because of this
foul smell, you would go in. First of
all, you would think you'd go in because
what if there's a homeless or let's just
do a walk through
>> sleeping in there. What if there's Yeah,
you I don't care if it smells or not.
You got to check it out. Not there's not
a lot of homeless people up there, but
you just go the kids are playing in
there and they're hiding because oh, I'm
scared. Let's hide. Next thing you know,
you're bulldozing the place. He's caught
in a trap in a in a some kid's caught in
a closet and you end up [ __ ] like
what are you doing? Let me put it this
way. When they they tent houses all the
time. So termites are a thing in
Florida. I don't know if they are most
of the country, but in Florida they are.
So every once in a while they will So
usually what they do is they wrap the
house first, right? Have you ever seen
them do this? Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. I didn't know
>> that's the whole trope in Breaking Bad.
They're remember the show. They're They
wrap the house like it's a termite
company, but they're cooking me in the
>> Oh, okay. So, I never watched the whole
series. So, I watched like the first
four seasons. So, anyway, they wrap they
wrap the house and then like usually the
next day they'll come and they will uh
they they put pump it all full of
whatever for 24 hours or 48 hours. And
well, here's the thing. Every once in a
while, this happens.
It's horrible, bro. Once every few
years, some homeless guy will climb in
and
>> when it's already wrapped.
>> No. Yeah. When it's wrapped, but he
thinks it's okay for some reason and
they'll climb in. They and they'll go to
sleep and then the next day these guys
will show up and hook up the hose
>> and they'll pump it full of Well, maybe
they climb in when it's still full. You
know, they're homeless. They're not
thinking correctly. So, they climb in.
Maybe it's still full. I've my
understanding is a lot of times they'll
go in or they'll wrap the house and not
check the house.
>> So they wrap it up and then they pump it
full of the gas and somebody was
sleeping in there and they kill
somebody. That happens every once in a
while. So it's like
>> you got to do a walk through. I agree. I
agree. Now if there was a foul smell if
I'm on a construction crew in rural
Vermont,
>> you're bulldozing.
>> I'm I'm bulldozing that. You know I'm
you know I'm doing that. I'm not going
in there. I I figure it's dead animals
cuz there's not a lot of people up
there. How [ __ ] often do dead bodies,
you know, if Sure. If it's Baltimore,
Yeah. it smells like [ __ ] There's some
[ __ ] people that just ODed on fent or
rural Vermont. You're like, "Oh, yeah,
it's a dead deer."
Yeah, cuz you know that's what dead deer
do all the time. They go into abandoned
houses.
>> So,
>> they should have gone in. You're the
garbage man that's that's dumping the
garbage and sees a body roll out and and
instead of stopping and saying, "Get the
police. This is a body. We need to
stop." You're you're like, "Fuck."
You're like, "Keep going ahead. just mix
it. Why? Cuz I got we got 80 more
[ __ ] houses to do.
>> And plus, I got to I got to get home. My
kids got a [ __ ] baseball game. That's
the '7s New York garbage man used to see
bodies turning up all the time. Um, so
that's what's [ __ ] that's so crazy to
me. So they never find those people.
They never find that that poor dead
couple. About 6 months later, February
1, 2012, he commits a murder in
Anchorage, his back his backyard. He's
eating where he shits, as you like to
say. [ __ ] where he eats. This is the
abduction and murder that eventually
leads to his undoing. Right.
>> Yes.
>> On February 1, Keys abducts an
18-year-old girl, Samantha Koig, who's
working at a coffee, it's a coffee
stand, basically. It's Common Grounds
Espresso Coffee. Might still be there.
If you're listening in Anchorage, let us
know. Uh it's a coffee kiosk. She was
working there. We see it on surveillance
footage. You guys can go look this up.
Yeah.
>> Uh it's at night. She's closing it down.
And he basically runs in there, kidnaps
her, forces her out of the coffee shop.
>> He actually stops and says he gets a cup
of coffee.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I need I need a flat
white
>> with a little bit of latte art.
>> He st he comes up and he off and she and
you can see her on the thing.
>> No, he actually does that. He orders a
coffee.
>> I know he does. I know. She You can see
her come and she's laughing and talking
with the guy and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He
turns around to do to do the coffee and
starts the coffee and turns back around.
And all of a sudden she goes, she throws
her hands up because he's got a gun. And
he he tells her, "Back up, back up." He
tells her, "Turn off the lights."
>> Cuz he knows there's surveillance.
>> So she shuts off the lights
>> and then he has her get on the ground.
She gets on the ground and then he
climbs through the window
>> and now he's in there.
>> Right. Cuz it's like a dry It's like a
walk up coffee stand. Yes. Where you
order through a window.
>> Um he forces her into a white pickup
truck. Now, was that his pickup truck or
was that a stolen car?
>> No, that's that's I think that's his
pickup truck.
>> Okay. So, he forces her, but he's smart.
You know, you you don't pick up his face
in the CCTV.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> he's aware of it for sure.
>> And and actually, even when he goes into
banks, they can never pin him. Like,
he's always he's always just like a tear
away from having his face on camera, but
he's horrible expression.
>> He's too good. So, so he forces her into
a white pickup truck. He takes her to a
shed on his property.
>> Yeah. Literally, we're talking about his
shed is maybe 30 feet away from his
actual house,
>> right? With his family ostensively in
there, with his girlfriend and his kid
in there,
>> right?
>> Um,
>> now wait, wait a minute. When he leaves
though, for a guy who's got a lot of
planning, when he leaves,
>> he leaves her phone and her purse are
there
>> at the coffee shop.
>> At the coffee shop. And he leaves and
moves her.
He he puts her in the shed.
>> He turns up the radio in the shed
telling his girlfriend that he's working
in the shed. Like, and I guess maybe to
me that's insane. Like, you don't know
she What if she comes out? You know what
I'm saying? Like, if I'm in the garage
making something or doing something,
Jess comes out every [ __ ] 20 minutes
just to see what I'm doing, bring me
something to drink, whatever.
>> Maybe laid down the law. Look, this is
my man cave.
>> Do not disturb me. Yeah. Don't come in
here.
>> That's He probably did that
>> for sure.
>> So, he's in there. He brutally
beats this woman. He's just He tortures
her. He's assaults her,
>> right?
>> Strangles her.
>> Yes. Um and then he go So by this point
>> he strangles her to death.
>> Yes.
>> Mhm.
>> Yes. By this point, by the way, he the
coffee shop's closed. It should be
closed, right? So he closes it up cuz it
was closing. So he goes ahead and kind
of clos like shuts everything up. Does
the does the banking,
>> right? Does the does the bookkeeping.
We're all 15 cent. No. Anyway,
>> cleans cleans like the espresso things,
right? Wipes it down, gets it ready for
the next shift.
>> He closes the window and and locks the
door and leaves. But what uh what
happens is her boyfriend shows up to
pick her up and drop her off. She's not
there,
>> right?
>> He knocks, he bangs, she's not there. He
go he goes, I think the back door is
open. He walks in. The [ __ ] is going on?
Her stuff is there.
>> Mhm.
>> He sees that. He's like, "The [ __ ] is
going on?" He then goes gets in the car
and drives to I I believe her house and
tells her dad, "Hey, where is she? She's
not here. She left the whole thing." So
they jump in the vehicle in their
vehicles. They start driving around the
area looking for her.
>> Keys realizes she doesn't have her cell
phone. She and her purse was there. Gets
in his vehicle, drives back to the
coffee shop. While they're driving
around, goes in the coffee shop, gets
her phone cuz he's he know he already
knows he needs her phone. And we
>> Why wouldn't her boyfriend take her
stuff?
>> I don't know. Grabs her purse, gets in
the car, and leaves and goes back home
because he needs her her her phone
because he ends up sending a message
that says, "I'm super along the lines of
like like I'm so tired of, you know, my
life or things are so stressed. I just
need a vacation and I'm going to be gone
for a while." So he sends a message to
her family
>> to to the no to the boyfriend
>> to the boyfriend saying as her as her
>> saying uh what you just said I need a
vacation doesn't make any sense they
kind of know it's
>> they know immediately something's wrong
>> yeah she doesn't have any money she
works at a coffee shop she's 18 years
old they said even the way he wrote it
the whole thing they said it's
absolutely not in her tone there's no
way that she would leave they said this
is something they said immediately they
knew holy [ __ ] somebody's got her and
her phone something's wrong they contact
the police
>> now keys leaves leaves town. He leaves
her in the shed.
>> Yeah.
>> To by this time, by the way, all this is
happening. Keep in mind, by this point,
I just want to say the police have now
gone to the the coffee shop. They watch
the surveillance. They know she was
taken.
>> Mhm.
>> So, the town is [ __ ] going nuts. The
cops are everywhere. They are looking at
everything.
>> But by this time, he's already gone.
>> If only they had flock cameras.
>> Doesn't matter. It's not worth my
liberty being taken away. Yeah, we're
going to sacrifice her.
>> [ __ ] that chick.
>> True. Do you believe in guns?
>> Of course I do.
>> So those kids getting shot to death in
schools that happens almost every day.
Is that worse?
>> People kill people kill those guns.
>> And guess what? People do a flock
cameras. You dumb [ __ ] Anyways, Matt's
got a little bit of the what do you call
it? The
>> Stockholm syndrome. I almost called I
almost called it Sweden syndrome. Uh
from from the joint still. He likes
being monitored everywhere he goes. So,
uh, he's split.
What's even wilder is that he leaves his
body. She le He leaves her body in the
shed.
>> In the shed.
>> So, his family never goes out there.
>> I guess they told them, "Do this." Is
like, "Don't even come out here when I'm
gone." Yeah.
>> Don't even come out here to try to find
uh
>> Yeah. What if the girlfriend has to I
was just throwing away the garbage.
Like, she opens it up and throws the
garbage and says, "Jesus, that's crazy.
Look at this chick. What's she doing?"
Like, nothing. You never go out there.
It's crazy.
>> Jess goes in the garage all the time.
All the time.
>> Matt, you're kind of living under a
surveillance state in your own home.
>> She's got your She's got your DMs.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I tell you what I tell you
what happened. When I tried to [ __ ]
send money to like uh Zach's [ __ ]
lawyer, I tried to pay my buddy's lawyer
and I paid him and I printed out a
receipt and I thought she'll never know.
I used a credit card. I pay my own. She
never sees a I'm good. She's not going
to know that I paid his for his lawyer.
And I
>> Were you not supposed to be doing that?
>> No. He She would be like, "What are you
doing? This guy's a [ __ ] What are you
doing with this guy?
>> Who's Zack?"
>> Zach's a buddy of mine who's in jail.
He's locked up.
>> Yeah, he's locked up and I'm paying for
his lawyer to help him.
>> And so she goes, "Whatever." Within
hours, within hours, she comes out and
she has the receipt that I printed out
on the [ __ ] printer and she goes,
"Are we paying a lawyer for somebody?"
And I went, "Um."
I said, "Did you start sweating a
little?" But uh she goes, "Who is she
said, no,
did you pay for his employer?"
>> And I was like, "Fuck, it was only a
couple grand."
>> Why would you Why would you print out
the receipt?
>> Because I wanted just wanted proof of
it. I wanted proof to be
>> Because you're you you're kind of old
like me. You need a you need a physical
receipt.
>> Yeah, I need I do.
>> I still get a receipt at the gas station
for my gas.
>> Oh, I do, too. I always print receipt
and then but I take a photo of it and I
I Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Yeah. You can't be doing that around
Jess. You got to know, dude. She's a
kid.
>> She's younger than me, dude. You can't
You got to be like, she's like the NSA,
dude.
>> So, he leaves this poor girl's body in
the shed. Yes. Where does he go right
after?
>> Well, he and his So, at that point, he
and his daughter and the girlfriend,
they have a cruise. They go on a 10-day
cruise.
>> This is bat [ __ ] crazy. He has a cruise
plant.
>> Yeah. Well, of course.
>> This doesn't seem like a cruise ship.
>> He loves to travel. He loves to No, he
loves to travel,
>> but he doesn't seem like a cruise guy.
>> Have you seen people that take cruises?
>> Well, I guess Alaskan cruises are
different. Alaskan cruises are different
than like Disney cruise, right? Yeah.
We're not This isn't Carnival.
>> Yeah. It's not Carnival Cruise going to
the Bahamas, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Um Okay. So, do you think he plans So,
he leaves this girl?
>> So much I want to say about Carnival
Cruise.
>> Oh my god.
>> It's a floating toilet. Now, do you the
people and the waste? Do you think that
he planned this murder around the cruise
knowing that he was going to leave this
girl in the shed, but it was okay
because I'm taking the family with me?
>> Yeah, I'm sure. Absolutely. He's
absolutely he was going to kill her and
then be out be gone for a couple weeks.
So, he's not there for questioning. So,
nobody's looking for you. Not driving
around
>> because the whole town is now looking
for this girl. The cops are coming
around everybody. Okay, that makes
sense.
>> And this is in February in Alaska. So,
is it like freezing cold?
>> Oh, yeah. No, it's that's why that's why
he just leaves her there because he
knows she's going to thaw. I mean, not
thaw. Sorry. She's going to be frozen.
>> She's going to be frozen stiff. She's
not going to smell.
>> It's back.
>> Okay. So, he gets back after a lovely
twoe cruise with his family. Uh, she of
course is frozen stiff like a block of
ice, right? It's February in Alaska.
>> He turns up the heat in his man cave
where her body is. She thaws out. Yeah.
>> Okay. And is completely preserved. So at
this point, this is where his ransom
play is going to come in. He stitches
her eyes open. Okay. He puts her hair in
a weird bun, which she never does, which
was suspicious to her boyfriend. He puts
a newspaper in her hand, props her body
up.
>> Yeah. Like that day's newspaper.
>> That's right. Takes a photo of her,
>> right?
>> As proof of life.
>> Yeah. So it looks like she's alive
holding the photo or holding the today's
newspaper. We know she's alive.
>> That's right. So we have the date and
her eyes which are are sewed open.
Right.
>> Okay.
>> Then he texts a picture of that of her
to her boyfriend and he says, "If you
want to see me alive again, I want
$30,000
deposited into this into the account."
>> Yeah.
>> And he's got the ATM card,
>> right? What do you What? What? ACTUALLY,
>> [ __ ] [ __ ] UP. I'M SORRY. GOD damn it.
>> It's fine.
>> Should we take it one more time?
>> Yeah,
>> cuz this is really important. This is
[ __ ] bat [ __ ]
>> Okay, one more time. One more time. I'm
sorry. I'm sorry. You ready, Colobe?
>> Yeah. I don't know why he does it like
this anyway. It's confusing. It's
confusing to say, confusing what he
does.
>> It's stupid.
>> So, it's okay. So, he text should leave
this whole part in. That's what's funny
is that like we can't It's so [ __ ]
confusing what he does. Okay, guys. Take
two.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So, he comes back after a twoe
cruise with his family, right?
>> And this is where it's going to get
weird.
>> It's 10 days, but go ahead. Yeah, it's a
10-day cruise. It's fine cuz it's 13
days after.
>> I just remember there was 13 days after.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
You want me to try? Let me try.
>> I got it. I got it, dude. No, you can't.
You can't. You're
>> What are you talking about? I was I was
You got to hit one. I love you, but
you're being very mumbly today. I'm just
going to say you're being very mumbly
today. You're going off on nonsequiters.
Just let me let me get to the point
where he takes the picture
>> and I'll
>> and I'll and sends it to the boyfriend
and then you take it from there. You
explain the note. Okay. So, just let me
get through this.
>> So, he gets back after a 10day cruise
with his family, right? The girl is in
there obviously frozen solid. It's
February in Alaska. Now, what he does is
turns the heat up in his man cave, thaws
the body out,
>> stitches her eyelids open,
lays her lays her out, kind of props her
up, takes a newspaper
cuz he still has newspapers in 2012,
right? With the today with the date on
there,
>> right,
>> and takes a picture of her with that
exact date. So, it's proof of life.
>> Yeah. So, it looks like she's holding
it,
>> right? Exactly. like
>> like, "Yeah, that's like I was reading
the newspaper today."
>> Yeah, that's what I do when I get
kidnapped. I I kick back and have some
coffee and read the newspaper.
>> He sends that photo from her phone to
her boyfriend.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> Right. And so he he tells them to check
the local this park. There's a park. He
says
>> check behind like, you know, Ralphiey's
uh poster,
>> right? So there's a poster of like a
missing dog.
>> Yeah. So he So they and puts the the
park and so her family immediately draw
races to the park and they find this
this wanted poster missing poster of the
dog. And they open it up. They open it
up and it's got another note that says
>> um if you want to see her alive again,
deposit $30,000 into this bank account.
Well, it's her bank account and he has
the debit card. Right.
>> So,
>> it's funny because he he hadn't done
this before.
>> And I'm not sure why he didn't just text
all that.
>> Yeah. I don't know. It's very
complicated.
>> Why did he send him on like a scavenger
hunt? I'm not really sure.
>> I don't know. Why did
>> Can you think of anything? Like,
honestly, I don't know.
>> I You know what's funny? Cuz he's such a
douchebag. Like when you watch his his
uh interviews, he's such a [ __ ]
arrogant prick that he he loves he
relishes um giving them a crumb like,
"Oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
oh oh oh well I I'll tell you where one
of my murder kits is. Go here, go. And
then cuz he knows that they they're
going to call and 20 cops are going to
go there and they have to dig it up and
it's like it's a huge ordeal.
>> He likes control. He likes he likes
being the puppet master.
>> Listen, talk about loving control. That
whole interview is nothing but control.
control. It's he specifically is very
concerned about spending any time cuz he
keeps thinking he's going to go to a
supermax and his like I do not want to
live the rest of my life like that.
>> Yeah.
>> That's why he wants to be killed so
quickly.
>> Right. Right.
>> Cuz he he he wants to be in control.
>> And you know all these dumb redundant
true crime videos, they always talk
about how the murderers in complete
control. They're really not. But this
[ __ ] actually was kind of
>> pushing around the cops and the feds.
Um,
>> so does he get the money?
>> Does he get the money?
>> So, listen, his her family doesn't have
this kind of money. Her father scrapes
together 50 I'm sorry, $5,000 deposits
it immediately.
>> Does he go to the feds yet?
>> No.
>> Do they go straight to the cops or they
they actually deposit the money?
>> No. No. He they then make a plea to they
go to the cops. the cops. The cops, they
they've the cops have been involved. So,
but they go to the cops, they explain
what's happening, they put the $5,000
in, they immediately go to the uh have a
press release or press conference that
these he the the kidnapper wants this to
deposit in his account. We don't have
it. So,
>> basically, the community puts together a
pool kind of a GoFundMe thing. They put
the money together right away and
>> a big sale.
>> Yeah. And then he's able to deposit the
money. But the big thing about
depositing the money too is because at
this point they're they've contacted the
feds, right? It's a it's it's a r I mean
it's a ransom now. That's federal.
>> So they bring in the feds because the
feds have the ability to track that
[ __ ]
>> right? They they can track your bank
account. They track these deposits. So
they go to the bank, they get that the
>> CCTV of him walking up to the ATM,
>> right? Cuz he starts he can only remove
$500 a day. So he's got to go over and
over. But they they're watching all the
ATMs, right? They they think they got
him,
>> right?
>> Got him. And they do get a partial him
on CCTV.
>> Yeah. But that's not
>> But again, it's not enough.
>> No. No. They want to grab this
[ __ ]
>> They still don't have him. And I'm not
sure how much money he ends up taking
out. It's not the full 30.
>> Oh, no.
>> But he gets some money. And then what
this guy does,
>> he starts go he he's smart.
>> He chops her body up. Okay. Cuz now
she's all thought out and uh soft,
right? chops her up, disposes of her
remains in Matanusa Lake, north of
Anchorage. He uses her as fishbait.
I am not kidding. He uses part of her
cutup body
>> as fish bait,
>> catches some fish. It's a It's good
catch. It's good catching that day
>> and takes the fish back and cooks it for
his family.
>> Probably has some of her inside of that
fish. So he also, by the way,
>> do do what you got to do, right? But
anyways,
>> the by the So he also weights down
because obviously that's not you're not
use it all. He he he cuts the body up
and he weights down
>> the body and drops it in the you know
cuz the the lake is people like in the
south don't understand this.
>> No, it's like hundreds of feet deep.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But the lake is frozen over.
So you take a chainsaw and you cut a
hole,
>> right?
>> You know, or square, whatever. And then
you build kind of they put a big kind of
like a a tent thing over over them.
>> It's ice fishing.
>> Is it? Yeah. So, but so so he's able to
work in there without anybody seeing on
the on the lake. He
>> weights the the pieces down and drops it
into the lake down.
>> I don't know. They never say they just
say that he weighted it down. I always
wondered. I wonder what it was like. Did
he bring rocks or stones? I don't know.
But he drops it. So, he's using it to
fish with. He's also dropping the body
pieces. So, it's going straight down.
And he's able to do this because it's a
common practice. Like he's doing
everything that's normal,
>> right?
>> And then
>> this guy's smart, man.
>> And then
>> he's doing some goofy [ __ ] but like
>> but to start getting the money, he then
goes on a road trip,
>> right? So after the killing, he's
embarks on an extensive multi-state trip
designed to access the ransom money from
a distance while appearing to have
nothing to do with the disappearance. So
he goes there so he can take the money
out of different ATMs. Now, I wonder,
can't the feds just freeze her bank
account?
>> Well, they don't want to do that. They
think she's alive.
>> We want We want him to get the money. We
want him to go to one cuz
>> so we can try to get him,
>> right? Every time he they they're like,
"Okay, it was just access. Where is it?
Such and such. Call Hillsboro County
right now. Tell them to send some people
right now." And they explain. So on
their way, they're like, "This is this
guy is a such and such."
>> So like in real time, they can kind of
see where he's going.
>> Of course, as soon as they take the
money, they're like, "Okay, here's where
he is here." But he's, you know, keep in
mind it's he's going from county to or
state to county to county throughout the
whole thing.
>> You can get out pretty quick. You can
get out of town if you're just the car.
>> And so the other hope is maybe we get
maybe we get uh some kind of a a a tag
or the vehicle. They do have several
vehicles that they do get him with, but
it's two different vehicles. He's
renting vehicles,
>> right? So
>> So check this out. I mean, the guy is
traversing the greater 48. Between
February 2nd and 17th, he flew round
trip from Anchorage to Houston, rented a
car and drove nearly 3,000 miles. Okay,
this is all the way back up to Alaska.
He stayed in Lafa. He stayed in
Lafayette, Louisiana, and took a
Carnival cruise round trip out of New
Orleans. All while periodically. So,
this guy got on another cruise. Maybe a
Disney carnival carnival this time.
Jesus,
>> you imagine just surrounded by fat
bastards.
>> Even he doesn't deserve that. Oh,
brutal. It's like a floating Imagine the
worst, most disgusting casino in Vegas.
Imagine the kind of people that are in
there and then put them on a boat.
That's what's going on a Carnival cruise
is like. Okay. All while he's
periodically withdrawing ransom money
from Conig's account using the ATMs
along the way. That trail proved to be
his undoing. You're right. So, it's
smart. Yeah.
>> On the Fed's perspective, investigators
track the ATM withdrawals, eventually
identifying a vehicle on surveillance
footage. Right.
>> So that's how they got him.
>> Right. So they put out his car.
>> Yeah. They put out a a bolo being on the
lookout for this vehicle. They don't
have a tag, by the way.
>> It's a rental vehicle.
>> Yeah. It's just a rental. They don't
have They don't have a They don't have a
tag. It's just, hey, in this area, look
for this vehicle. Yeah.
>> And some local cop, it comes over the
over the radio and he looks up and he
sees it and he goes he's like,
>> "I think that's the vehicle."
>> That's right. They pull him over March
13th, 2012. and and they have a partial
description of him, right? You know,
they just got a sketch. Like they they
don't this they don't even have a good a
[ __ ] they don't even have a good
photograph. They just have a partial
kind of oh this guy because it's such a
distance. So, but he matches the
description. He had long hair. He was a
>> tall thin white guy with long hair.
Okay. And driving this vehicle. I think
that's that guy.
>> Good bone structure.
>> Pulls him over. This is what's funny is
they talk about this in one of the
vehicles. I one of the vehicles. They
talk about this in one of the um
documentaries where the detective is
like I don't think that this guy that
that the uh the deputy that pulled him
over there. He says I don't think he had
any idea who he was pulling over. He
didn't realize how how he didn't call
he's not calling for backup anything. He
just pulls him over. He's like uh
license registration. Yeah. Get out of
the vehicle. Like it's a normal thing.
Like this guys, oh he's got a warrant or
something. He didn't even know why he's
doing it. I was just told to get the if
I see him get this guy in custody and he
puts him in custody and he did. By the
way, um uh Keys did not have a weapon on
him. Had he had a weapon that that
interaction may not have gone very well.
>> Oh yeah, he might have smoked the cop
for sure. Um and yeah, so he gets
arrested in the parking lot uh of a
Cotton Patch cafe in Lufkin, Texas. I
mean, God, this guy is all over the
place. He was extradited to Alaska on
fraud charges related to the stolen ATM
card,
>> right? Cuz when they search him, he's
got the ATM card,
>> right? So, they needed an excuse to
bring him in.
>> He has the phone, too.
>> His uh the girl's phone.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Why did he have the phone?
>> I don't know if he's still texting these
people or he he you know, he probably
doesn't know if he's going to need it.
>> Like, I got 30 grand with like that.
What if I can get more money?
>> Oh, maybe proof of life, too. Like
acting like it's her man. I don't know.
Who knows? Texting her texting the
boyfriend. Who knows how Hey, yep.
>> How many other photos did he have? You
know, maybe he had other photos. Who
knows? Supposedly, they've never
released the photo.
>> There's There's one of a is a recreation
from a documentary.
>> Yes, I was going to say and I even
thought that I thought it's funny cuz I
just watched this documentary. They said
they'd never released it, but I saw one
on this other one, but I thought, you
know what? I don't I think that was
probably just a recreation.
>> That's a lot of recreations in that in
that um that dock, and I thought I don't
think they're going to release this.
>> Okay. So, they bring him back to Alaska
on fraud charges, federal fraud charges.
Uh, and the evidence is starting to
mount, right? Keys confesses to Koig's
murder,
>> right? So, listen here, here's the
thing. Here's what bothers me. All the
planning, all the thought, knowing it's
some the everything that went into this,
I get it. But all they have right now,
he he really doesn't understand how the
law works. Like all they have right now
on you is it's extremely circumstantial.
Like I found this.
>> Does that make sense?
>> I found this phone.
>> Yeah. I found the phone and and the
debit card and a note that had the pin
number or I saw this guy. He was a guy
he was and he could describe someone
similar to himself. This guy said,
"Hey," and gave me the phone, gave me
this and told me to take told me that
the money was free. I spent like 20
minutes with a guy. The guy said, "Look
how much money you got cuz I can tell
you right now you can start taking money
out of this ATM." gave it to me. I
thought he was full of [ __ ] I went
ahead and started doing it and it was
working.
>> Mhm.
>> And so I thought, "Fuck, I'm going to
drive around and get it to as many as
these as possible."
>> That's that's a fraud charge, but it's
not a murder charge.
>> I have nothing to do with any girl. And
there's nothing that proves that. So he
may have like I don't know why he he
rolled over.
>> I don't know why he folded
>> so quick. If you watch if you watch the
interrogation, like it's not like it
took hours to break him down. He sat
there and they they presented all the
stuff that they kind of had and he went,
"Okay, well," he said, "Uh, I guess I'm
going to go ahead and uh tell you what
happened."
>> Yeah. They had no DNA. They they had no
and like he's the guy that was talking
[ __ ] about these other serial killers
like telling on themselves, apologizing.
>> He rolls over,
>> but he [ __ ] folds. It's almost like
he ran and he also, this is a kind kind
of a cowboy move like he used to do his
killing way outside of where he lived
obviously like
>> mainland America. It's almost like he
was either running out of gas or I think
he was just getting too arrogant. I
don't know what it was.
>> It might have just been the opportunity.
It may have just been like, "Hey, I have
such a huge opportunity. This chick is
is locking this place up." Maybe he's
been there several times. it. You know,
the problem is you don't get as much as
this [ __ ] guy talks and as arrogant
and cocky as he is, he gives up very
little in those in right
>> in those interviews because he keeps
wanting stuff. Like he wanted a cigar
cigar Snickers like a cigars, a cup of
coffee and a Snickers bar. It was like a
a soda or something. I'm like, damn,
that does sound good.
>> And and then he tells and then he he
gives him something.
>> It's always just a couple of items.
>> Yeah. These guys just they tell the
whole [ __ ] Now Samantha's body was
recovered by divers. What was left of
her body was recovered by divers at the
lake on April 2nd, 2012. But is that
because he told them where she was?
>> Exactly. He told me he told them
exactly. And literally the next day,
we're talking about the next morning.
They he tells them at during noon, the
following morning, they send divers
down. They they recover the body.
>> Right. And then it took him another it
took him another 16 days uh to get
formally indicted for the abduction and
the killing. Over the course of an
extensive roughly 40hour interview with
the FBI, Keys went on to confess to at
least seven additional murders,
discussing the Courier killings, that's
the couple from Vermont, as a bargaining
he used that as a bargaining chip chip
once he realized investigators had
already connected him to that case.
Though he became increasingly evasive
once his identity was released publicly.
He told investigators only one other
victim's body besides Koigs had ever
been recovered, a death that had been
ruled accidental. And stated
cryptically, "There is no one who knows
me or has ever known me who knows
anything about me really."
>> So this guy didn't want the fanfare.
>> He says that like he you know what I'm
saying? He says that like and well he
was upset when they released his name.
He's upset that his name he didn't he
didn't he kept saying he didn't Yeah. He
didn't.
>> You know what he says? He goes, "All
these, you know how it is, all these
[ __ ] true crime channels now."
>> He goes, "You know, they're going to
take this and make it into some stupid
podcast."
>> Yeah. You guys heard about this
podcasting.
>> You're right.
>> Yeah. Like,
>> thank you. Hey, thanks, Israel.
>> Yeah, it's ridiculous. So, we'll do
anything for the money.
>> Yeah, he's a douchebag.
>> He really, you know, here's the thing.
>> He was. And he like kind of laughs
stupidly at himself. Like, bro,
nothing's funny. say something funny and
then laugh at yourself, but don't we're
not see he's like he's like I almost
feel bad all this taxpayer money I'm
wasting
>> when he tells him hey here's a he gives
him two or three of these different kits
he's got around like I'll give you one
in uh here here's one in in Iowa here's
where it is and he tells him like I
almost feel bad
just a [ __ ] douchebag like shut up
>> it's like it's funny cuz listening to uh
um uh Samuel Long
>> little
>> little All right. Samuel Little. What is
there? Samuel
>> Bobby Joel. You're thinking of Bobby.
>> Sorry. Listening to Samuel Little. Like
those
>> you could listen to him. Like he's an
old black guy. He's
>> but he's fun to listen to. Super
charismatic. Yeah.
>> Um and
>> this guy's excruciating to listen to.
>> Even the even BTK even though he was
just very matterof fact, you know, he's
monotone. You fall asleep. This guy when
you listen to him, the arrogance was so
overwhelming. He was such a [ __ ]
pompous ass. You just I just thought
>> the other detectives that interview
these other people.
>> I, you know, I thought that's not so
hard to to to behave to to to
>> to not hate this guy, you know, cuz he,
like you said, they're charismatic.
Listening, I couldn't I don't I don't
know how long I could stay in the
[ __ ] room with this [ __ ] I
don't know if I could laugh along with
his stupid [ __ ] jokes. I don't think
I could keep a
>> I'd probably smack him.
>> I know. That's how you feel listening to
him. It's like I despise you as a
person. That that is the unfortunate
thing about the new era is that cops
can't just smack you around anymore.
Like that was a good that must have been
fun to be a cop. I mean they tortured
people too back then but still like some
people deserve to get you know the [ __ ]
slapped out of
>> them. Yeah.
>> You know um so I mean it's like dude we
know you're good. He was good. Like some
of the arrogance was earned but he just
had a repulsive personality. You know
what I mean?
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> But he did do excellent he did do
excellent work. Like you can be mad at
Kanye, but the guy's a genius. This kind
of This guy kind of was the Kanye of
serial killing, you know? We've never
seen anything like it. A real artist.
Real artist.
>> Oh my god.
>> May 12th. So So Keys is arraigned,
right? Uh is he in federal lockup?
>> I'm assuming the feds are maybe they
just or
>> because who do you give this to? because
it's bank fraud, but the greater crime
is a state charge. So, who do you who
takes
>> wants to be killed? So, it's not like
they have they well we're going to
execute you. How quickly can we get that
done?
>> Right. Yeah. So, so again, like we
talked about at the beginning on camera,
he's he's saying, "I'll give you more.
I'll lead you to these murders, but I
you need to execute me within a year."
>> Yeah. You have to promise me that I can
be executed within a year. He's like,
he's like, cuz his biggest fear was
ending up in ADX,
>> which is federal.
>> Yeah. He's like, you see what Cho
happened to Chapo? I don't want to be
next to Chapo. I don't speak Spanish.
>> His biggest fear is so the problem with
ADX is that the the prison has 100%
control over your all of your movements.
Like you're reading your letters on a
screen. You're
>> That's not true. I interviewed a guy
from ADX. It's that's kind of overblown,
but they read all your mail,
>> you know.
>> Okay. I thought I was I always heard
that there was a screen. No, the showers
don't come around. That's that's a myth,
too. Like you the showers in yourself.
>> I don't believe in that [ __ ]
>> I know. You should have this guy on. Uh
he's interested. Tattoos all over his
face. Uh audience hated him. But uh
whatever. Uh it's cuz he has a [ __ ]
>> So you're telling me these other guys
are all blatantly lying.
>> No, I think those are all rumors. Like
this is the only guy that's been in ADX
that's been out talking on podcasts. But
anyways, you're right. He wants to He
knows he's done. He doesn't want to
live. He's he's a mountain. He's a The
man loves his freedom, right? So, he's
not going to allow himself
>> caged like that, right? That kind of,
you know, repression in a in a supermax
prison.
>> Uh, also, I want to point out, I don't
want to
>> skip through this,
>> right?
>> This guy alludes to murders that he's
committed in Canada.
>> He traversed the Canadian He traversed
all the provinces in Canada.
>> Yes. And they specifically ask him, "How
many can Canadian murders are there?"
>> And he goes, "Dude, I don't even count
them as people." So it's he says this
about Canada. The guy is a patriot.
>> He said they don't count.
>> Said I'm gonna give you a number in
Canada because they don't count. They're
Canadian. Also South America, right?
>> Of Mexico. I think he he went into
Mexico. So I think he was doing these
things because like
when he entered the United States
sometimes he wanted to drive in from the
north, right? So he's throwing off
whoever might be following him. He's
trying to throw off his location. So
entering the United States from Mexico,
entering the United States from Canada.
So while he's while he's moving through
these places, he's also probably killing
and definitely in Canada.
>> Yeah. It still kills me that it's like
but you're using your license. Like as
smart as you are, how can you not get a
fake ID,
>> right?
>> Get a fake ID.
>> Yeah, bro. You're in Mexico. Like get a
fake ID.
>> This is not difficult. You know what's
amazing is that you can literally like I
could get your information and I could
have them put all your information
including your your ID number,
>> right? So your your real ID number so
that if it gets run through the system,
>> it clears. Now, of course, the photo
doesn't match, but if you're like going
and booking a a plane ticket online or
you give it to the counter girl, she
doesn't get the it doesn't pull up your
photo. They just they put in the number
and if the number clears,
>> yeah, this is the person it cleared.
It's a good ID. Even if it's a shitty ID
that it's the correct number. Yes, this
is the person cuz that's the ID for
them. This is the photo on here. This is
the guy. Yes. So, you could even order
it online. It doesn't even have to be a
great ID as long as all the stuff is
correct. How hard is it to get someone's
someone's information off their driver's
license? This is not difficult.
>> Yeah. You can still get a good fake ID.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm saying even if it
was a shitty one and you can you can get
amazing ones. They're amazing. But even
if you got a shitty one, you could still
do that. And you don't have to,
>> right? You're going to spend a little
bit of money to get a better one, but
this guy could have done it. So yeah,
it's
>> that's what that is how they kind of put
together all these other murders cuz
they start saying he flew in here. He
was here for 4 days. This person is
missing. That person's name was on his
computer. He had checked multiple times
after he killed the person. He would
check on them to see if they'd shown up
in in the in the media, but that's all
they have. They have nothing. The
person's gone. They could never found
the body or they found the body. They
don't know how he was killed. They have
nothing physical to connect them other
than he flew in and on his computer he
constantly checked about this person to
see if there were any articles. That's
the only connection. And because of
that, they're saying we believe he
killed that person. But that's not
enough to charge him with it,
>> right? He's only charged with uh the
murders that he's coped to.
>> Correct. So that's why that's why
they're saying like look, we have no
idea. He did this for 14 14 years. He's
like you said, he's traverse the entire
United States, Canada, and Mexico. And
if if in the little time we know, what
he admitted to was within a few months,
he kills the girl, he killed the couple,
like if he's killing at that rate for 14
years,
>> it could be dozens and dozens and dozens
of bodies. That right there, if you take
that, that's within a a 3-month period,
he killed three people. That means,
let's dumb it down. Let's say it should
be 12 people. 12 people a year. Let's
take let's cut that in half. Let's say
six to be conservative.
>> Six * 14
>> um is going to be uh that's going to be
what's like is that 84?
>> Almost 100. Yeah.
>> I don't My math isn't always great, but
84. Yeah. So, I'm assuming that's so
roughly we're talking about probably
roughly a hundred people that they're
connecting him to all over the United
States. But they can't charge him.
>> That and that is why this is such a
fascinating story because this guy put
up Samuel Little Numbers
>> and
>> didn't even claim it.
>> Didn't even claim it.
>> Like,
>> right.
>> I mean, he might be the goat for this
[ __ ] We just don't know. We can't call
him We can't call him the GOAT.
Absolutely. Because again, we just we
don't know. We'll never know. But that
is kind of a even though he shouldn't
have told on himself kind of gangster
that he kept it all to the vest as we
say most of it to the vest and he he
just wanted to [ __ ] do himself in
like people hold on even the worst
murderers and killers want to hold on to
life you know what I mean this guy
wanted to die.
>> Yeah he wants out. He doesn't want to
spend the rest of his life in a cage.
So, so the reason we he never did cop
and we do know and talk about control
having control issues is that when he
gets to a point where he realizes where
they've explained to him that
we cannot guarantee that you're going to
be killed. Remember, did you see the
thing where he goes, "Well, listen." He
said, "I don't really need you guys for
that."
>> He said, "So, let he say so think about
that." He said, "If you want to know all
of the bodies, you want to know where
they all are, all of them." He said,
"You'd better get me something in
writing that that that guarantees that."
He goes, "Cuz, listen." He goes, "Cuz I
don't need you to take care of me." He
said, "But if you want to hear that, you
better get me something." And when they
finally get to a point where they're
like, "You're never going to get that.
It's never going to happen. It's not the
way the justice system's hooked up, and
they're not changing it for you." When
he finally realizes that, and he's only
been in custody what, a couple months?
couple months because this is well this
is May when he finds that out right on
December 1st, 2012. Now, by the way, uh
he tries to break out of his leg irons
during a routine court hearing and an
apparent escape attempt. So, he did try
to go break out of the leg irons.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But then he gets restrained,
right?
>> Yeah, he doesn't. He does. He doesn't
make it far.
>> Uh have you seen the videos This I
shouldn't laugh at this. Have you seen
the video of the guy in court that
tackles him? No. Gets out, runs. I I I
think I maybe he's not restrained by the
legs or something like that. He's able
to get out of his restraint somehow.
Maybe he's already out of his
restraints. You guys can look this up.
The judge.
>> No, he runs out clear out of the
courtroom past the baiffs and does a
flying leap because it's on the second
story of the courthouse. does a flying
front flip off the balcony of the second
floor down to the first floor. A guard
tries to catch him. A baiff on the first
floor tries to catch him, but he kind of
misses and the guy just [ __ ] you
know, sure he breaks his neck and splits
his head open, dies.
Wild. That guy wanted to get away. That
desperate
>> damn. Any Anyh who, but it was a
beautiful I give it a nine out of 10.
This is the Olympics. It was he like
swan dove over. So anyh who, he's not
able to do any of that. When he finds
out that they're not going to give him a
quick death on December 1st, 2012 while
awaiting federal trial for Samantha
Koig's murder, Israel Keys died by in
his cell at the Anchorage Correctional
Complex using a concealed razor blade.
>> Yeah,
>> he got an ax in there, boy. You know, if
you want to off yourself, like they have
to give you razors. You're going to be
able to get a razor in there. Yeah. You
know what I mean? He got a razor blade
probably from one of those shitty or
maybe maybe he convinced one of the
guards who felt like he was doing the
right thing. He convinced an a guard to
Yeah. to A lot of times they do that.
You know, guards are so [ __ ] corrupt.
They'll go around to inmate cells that
are a problem and ding. Just throw in an
ax and like, hey, just just like, hey,
we're leaving that there if you feel
like it.
He uh Yep. He cut his own wrists and
then he also strangled himself.
>> You mean strangled himself?
>> He left behind a chilling final message.
Yeah.
>> You mean hung himself?
>> Yeah. He using a concealed razor blade,
he took his own life through
strangulation and slitting his wrist.
>> Right. But it was it was like a it was
it was he tied off his he tied himself
off to the bunk.
>> So it was kind of like Well, I guess it
wasn't like a normal
>> so you could drain he could drain
himself,
>> right? So he kind of ties himself off.
He cuts his wrist so that when you start
to So I guess that's strangulation,
right? Cuz I always think it's hanging
but even though it wasn't really like a
Anyway, point is is that
>> wonder if you got a last jacket. But
while that's
>> you know what we say while
>> every guy's got one more in him. So as
he's when he's losing consciousness, he
doesn't want to hit the ground, be
found. He wants to make sure it hangs.
It cuts off the airway and kills him,
>> right? Okay.
>> Yeah. Listen, he wasn't see it wasn't
like a cry for help.
>> No, no, no. This was not a cry for help.
He was going to he was going to succeed.
He left behind a final chilling message.
The message was 11 skulls drawn in
blood.
>> His blood. Yeah.
>> His blood. He drew this in blood. After
he'd already opened himself up, he took
the time to draw 11 skulls in his blood
and he labeled it with the message, "We
are one."
Investigators have long suspected this
drawing was a direct reference to his
total victim count. Who knows? Or maybe
he just felt himself getting dizzy.
>> Like, I'm running. I'm not going to make
I'm not going to make it to
>> 11. 11's good. Yeah, 11's good. Let him
think it's only a dozen. a number he had
deliberately avoided confirming to his
investigators through his confession,
telling him only that it was less than
12.
Maybe
Keyy's decision to end his own life
before trial paired with a final cryptic
message seemingly confirming his total
victim count without ever stating it
outright. Anyways,
>> we are one.
>> We are young, so set the world on fire.
>> What is that?
>> It just saying we are we are one. I
[ __ ] hate that song. Anyways,
>> oh Matt, I am exhausted. Take us out.
This is great. This is great.
>> Take take us out, Matt.
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