This is the body cam footage of a couple
in their 60s living in rural New Mexico.
The husband goes missing.
>> She stabbed her ex-husband. She's tried
to kill husbands. She's a blackout
drunk. Nobody reports it for months.
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cool. We're very excited. So, today
we're going to be watching a video. Uh,
by the way, as I was researching videos
to watch and react to, I can't tell you
how many crazy murder videos on the Dr.
Insanity channel and other other
reaction police footage videos come out
of the state of Colorado. It's actually
wild. Like, it started out as kind of a
joke. Hey, Colorado's a sketchy white
trash state. Nope. Turns out that's kind
of a fact. So anyways, I thought we
would I thought we would turn our
attention to another sketchy
methamphetamine driven state, New
Mexico.
This is the body cam footage of a couple
in their 60s living in rural New Mexico.
The husband goes missing. This is only a
couple of years old. At the beginning of
the year, the husband just goes missing
and the wife of course nobody reports
it. Nobody reports it for months,
>> which is crazy. But
>> quickly the wife becomes the prime
suspect. And what you're about to see is
a mix of Karen, what's her name? Tiger
King. Karen,
>> I don't know. Whatever.
>> Basset.
>> Yeah. It's you're gonna see a mix of
Tiger King, Karen Basset, and Insert
Your Crazy Broad.
>> Well, this is this is a little
compilation right here real quick on
what's coming. So, let's play that.
>> Doesn't look like anyone's been here.
>> What's that smell?
>> This officer is unknowingly reacting to
the decomposition order coming from
Craig Thatford's hidden body. Police
have been searching for him for months
with no success. And even now, with the
foul odor in the air, they still have no
idea he's buried only feet away. Wow. Is
>> that dirt? Where's that blood? And
>> this is the only way I've been able to
have any communication with you. And I
don't even know if it's him.
>> I wouldn't even know where to start
looking.
>> There's some weird going on.
Whoever killed Craig covered their
tracks meticulously, using chemicals to
mask the odor, disabling security
cameras, and hiding in plain sight. And
while detectives spend months trying to
figure out where Craig went, the
suspected killer quietly continues
spending Craig's money, allegedly buying
houses, cars, and crafting a plan to
ensure they are never found.
>> Holy smokes. Well, I want to say
something else, but I don't want to
implicate her.
>> You need to say it.
>> You might start looking in the
Caribbean.
Can I just say
Can I just say
thou doth protest too much? You might
want to start looking uh under the Great
Wall of China. Like you're just trying
to like Don't be so obvious with your
throwoff methods, ladies. If you kill
your spouse,
>> um it's funny. It's going to show
picture pictures of Craig. Craig looks
like an all right guy. He looks kind of
a cool guy. You know, he's retired on a
couple pensions. He's living up in the
[ __ ] mountains with this crazy woman
who, by the way, he he just he's only
been with for like a few years. And and
here obviously he's got money. You'd
think he'd get himself a a 30-year-old
or a 25-year-old. Instead, he gets some
old broad and he's got to be like in his
early 60s. He's obviously in good shape.
He's got a four He's got, you know, uh
what are those? Four what? Uh four
>> four wheelers.
>> Fourwheelers. Yeah.
>> Yeah. He's got all kinds of stuff. He's
up in the mountains. He, you know,
>> he's got he's got a he's got a floor
safe in his garage filled with hundreds
of thousands of dollars.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, Craig was an old school guy. Craig
doesn't trust the banks. Craig Craig
probably had some some some doomsday
meal prep kits. You know, these were
like these were some put some tobacco in
your lip, go shoot an illegal immigrant
just trying to cross the border to uh
make a better life for themsel. The
these are these kind of guys, you know.
So Craig seemed like an all right guy.
You're right. Old school guy. I don't
know why old school people like they I
that have been divorced and already have
raised kids. Why not go marry a Filipino
hook? I was just go grab a go to
Thailand. Go grab some [ __ ]
25year-old [ __ ] Thai chick who's
happy that she's got shoes. I mean,
what? You don't need to go buy Go grab
some 50-year-old woman who's a pain in
the ass. This all she's been married
four times,
>> right? Go get a Go get a Go get a
Filipino woman and you've got a wife, a
cleaner, and a cook.
>> Yeah. Listen, you've been married you've
been married two or three times. You're
the problem. Let's f it's you're the
problem, you Well, I think both of
these, as you're about to see, uh
Craig's new wife uh was married four
times.
>> Four times.
>> And Craig was probably married a handful
of times. That's just kind of what the
boomers did. You know, this they're I
guess Gen Xers, but old young boomers,
old Gen Xers. You guys just got married
a couple of times. And
>> yeah,
>> keep going. Keep going. My sister's been
married to the same guy for like 40
years. So, and she's she's 15 years
older than me. All right. She is
>> She might kill She might kill her
husband, though.
>> She is like like a boomer.
>> All right.
>> May evening in Cloudcraftoft, New
Mexico. Tucked among wooded acreage and
mountain terrain sits a 2,000q ft
property owned by 60-year-old Craig
Thatford. He lives inside this large
three-story house with his wife, Dena.
The Thatfords enjoy a comfortable
lifestyle thanks to Craig's roofing
business. Hold on.
>> Yes, she's crazy. Uh, she deserves to be
in prison. I I don't want anything to do
with her. But if I was all alone up in
the mountains of New Mexico.
Yes. Yes.
She's getting cracked the [ __ ] open.
All right. Can we keep going?
>> I own multiple residential properties
and frequently take luxury vacations.
But a few months ago, something dark
took place inside the Thatford
household, and it went unnoticed for
weeks until May 2025 when the Otto
County Sheriff's Office receives a
disturbing call.
>> Communications on a recorded line. How
can I help you?
>> Who would I talk to to have a wellness
check done on an individual?
>> That would be me. What's going on?
>> His name is Craig Fetford. Everybody
here in Texas has been trying to get a
hold of Craig for nearly 2 months. We
can't get a hold of his wife. We're
really concerned about him because this
is not like him. He always answers his
phone or calls back. Even his family
here hasn't been able to get a hold of
him. Nobody can get a hold of him.
>> On the line is Larry Scott.
>> I don't think anybody would I don't know
who would call if I disappeared. If Jess
didn't call, I don't know anybody. It'd
be It'd be months. I don't know who'd
call. Call me would call.
>> Yeah. I mean, you mean call the
authorities?
>> Yeah. I I don't know, you know, if it
weren't for like Jess and Colobby, I
don't know who would call to complain to
say, "Hey, man, I haven't heard from
this guy."
>> I mean, I would because I got a we got
podcast to do.
>> Yeah. Other than business relationships,
I'm saying.
>> Yeah. No, I don't have anyone who loves
me either.
>> Thank you. That's what I'm trying to
avoid saying. Thank you.
>> Requesting a welfare check on his
friend. But something about this call is
different. As Larry explains, nobody has
seen Craig or his wife for months. A
detail that's highly unusual since most
missing person reports come within days.
Following this, officers are dispatched
to the address to conduct a welfare
check on the Thatford couple. Once they
pull up to the long driveway and step
out into the mountaineire, they can
sense something is off about this place.
Sher's office.
Can you see anything through the
windows?
>> Yeah, I got a pretty good look through
the windows. Doesn't look like there's
anyone in there.
>> As officers walk around the residence,
they notice the sheer size of the
property with multiple carports and
outbuildings. Lights are on throughout
the home itself, but strangely no one
answers the door. Looking through the
windows, one officer notices several
boxes stacked, suggesting that the
couple might be in the process of moving
or had already left. As another officer
circles towards the carport, he
hesitates. There's something odd about
the air around him.
I
>> got a pretty decent security camera on
the back.
Doesn't look like anyone's been here.
>> What's that smell?
>> That would be me as an officer. Like,
what's that smell? Like, I can't Listen,
I had a friend, a a a woman, this is 25
years ago, that I showed up to her
wedding and she's like, listen, she had
like a camcorder. This is back before
you had like phones and [ __ ] like like a
camcorder. And she goes, "Can you I need
you to video the, you know, the the um
wedding." And she gave everybody photos,
you know, the little instant cameras to
take photos of each other. And I was
like, "Yeah, sure. No problem." I was
like, "Really?" And she's like, "Yeah."
And I was like, "You don't have
somebody?" She's like, like the person
was going to do it and didn't show
whatever. So I grabbed the camcorder.
The problem is I didn't realize it's
actually recording your voice too, like
audio. So, I'm sitting there giving nar
I'm narrating the whole thing. Like I'm
up there while they're doing the their
vows and everything and I'm going this
[ __ ] poor guy. He has no idea what
he's getting into. I was like I was like
and I'm on her. I'm like like crazy.
Like
I'm just saying all kinds of saying all
kinds of [ __ ] up [ __ ] And so like
three weeks later I get a phone call
from you ruined my [ __ ] wedding tape.
Like what? What do you I'm like what are
you talking about? And she starts
telling me what I'm saying. I'm like oh
[ __ ]
>> This is what I would be doing.
>> Wild. Matt, did you did they did they
make it? Are they divorced?
>> Oh no. They got they got divorced. This
chick had already been divorced like
she'd had she had been divorced twice
and had one marriage anold. This was
basically her fourth.
>> Oh wow. Oh.
>> And she's married again now. She's been
married five times that I know of.
>> Oh, I'm sure this time will be
different. She's insane. Yeah.
>> By the way, who do you Who would be I
just pictured you when you said if I was
a cop. I just pictured f 5 foot five
Matthew Cox.
>> 56. I'd be all like looking in the
window like dang, bro. Like
>> up up on your tippy toes looking through
the window. I I just picture you wearing
a bulletproof vest. You'd be swimming in
that thing, dude. You would look like a
pee-wee football player with pads that
were too big. I just can't imagine you.
Now, before we move on, would you be how
who would be a more corrupt cop? You
think you or me?
>> I would not be a corrupt cop.
>> Yeah, that's what all corrupt cops say.
>> I would be a good cop.
>> No, no, no. I Okay, I would take money
from drug dealers. You would get a
[ __ ] in the back of a cruiser to
women out of the DUI.
>> I could see shaking down a drug dealer.
Listen, I had multiple uh Mexicans tell
me that that when they got pulled over,
uh the cop would be like, "Listen, if I
turn in the $10,000 that I pulled off
you, anything over $6,000 is considered
this much drug weight, and that's a
mandatory minimum of 10 years. If I take
$5,000 and I put and I say I only found
5,000, then you'll get a mandatory
minimum of five years. what do you want
me to do? And they'd go, "Take the
$5,000." He'd go, "I don't want to hear
about this. I don't want your lawyer
bringing this up. I don't I'm doing you
a favor. Absolutely. Take the 5,000."
And they'd take it. And I don't mean one
I mean multiple [ __ ] Mexicans in the
f these are DEA agents who are like,
"This is what the mandatory minimum is.
We found this much ICE. We got this much
cash. This is what it converts to. What
do you want us to do? Take the 5,000."
Dude, it's you don't People don't
appreciate how rampant corruption is
even in even in the United States.
Like, it's it's just bananas, dude.
Coming from the carport, a faint strange
odor drifts through the space. But up in
the mountains with wildlife and wooded
terrain, unusual smells aren't uncommon.
So, the officer brushes it off and moves
on. With the home appearing vacant and
no immediate signs of foul play, cops
call it off and leave with the
impression that the Thatford couple
likely moved out and simply forgot to
inform their friend Larry. Unknowingly,
officers are walking away from the first
signs that something far more sinister
is at play.
The next day, things begin to shift into
something more serious as police receive
a second call about Craig. However, this
one carries more concerning details than
the last.
>> Telecommunications on a recorded line.
How can I help you?
>> Okay, this is going to seem really,
really strange. About 4 months ago, my
grandpa had went off the like face of
the of the world and he's a volunteer
firefighter up there. He loves to do it.
if you talk to me all about it all the
time. And so I'd like to place a
wellness check, but the only person that
said she's talked to him in four months
is his wife. And apparently now they're
getting a divorce. He's doing a whole
bunch of stuff, but I don't I don't
believe it. It's not my grandpa. It's
just really strange.
>> What's his name?
>> Greg Stford.
>> And what's your name?
>> My name is Cody Gibson and I'm his
grandson. his wife is supposedly in
Texas getting a divorce.
>> With yet another welfare check request
from Craig's grandson, Cody, a clearer
timeline begins to form. It now sounds
like Craig hasn't been missing for 2
months as previously believed by his
friend. Instead, he hasn't been seen for
over 4 months, which is even more
alarming.
>> That's crazy that it would take cuz it
seems like this guy had loved ones. Like
he had a grandson. He had children
obviously.
>> Bro, look at Craig. Look, he's a great
guy. Look at this guy.
>> Craig's a great guy. Craig will help you
move. Craig will come over and help you
lug a couch up the stairs.
>> Absolutely. Two o'clock in the morning,
flat tire. Craig's coming with the with
the the jack.
>> Yeah. Showing up.
>> Two o'clock in the morning, you killed a
hooker. Craig's showing up with his back
hoe. And guess what? We're gonna we're
gonna bury the body in the woods up top.
Like, so it's it's insane to me that it
took Are we this disconnected from the
family unit in America that it takes
four months? That's almost half a year
to report somebody missing.
>> Doesn't make any sense to me.
>> Plus, there's got to be roofs out there
he didn't complete. Like those those
people, right? He's a roofer.
>> Oh, that's right. He has a roofing
company.
>> The roofing company. You think the
employees or something? I don't see
Craig. He's 60. I don't see him on the
roof, but All right, let's go.
>> All right.
Additionally, the reason no formal
missing person report was filed starts
to make sense as Cody goes on to explain
that his grandfather's wife, Dena
Thatford, has been telling everyone that
Craig is in Mexico with another woman
after filing for divorce.
>> A story that doesn't sit right with
Craig's grandson.
>> What
>> I said, nice one, Craigie. Yeah,
>> he's down there.
>> Following the second call, County
Sheriff's deputies are dispatched back
to Craig's house. This time, instead of
simply knocking and leaving, they widen
the scope. If Craig and his wife aren't
inside the house, maybe someone nearby
has seen or heard something. So,
deputies begin canvasing the surrounding
properties. A decision that will quietly
kickstart an investigation into what may
become one of the most elaborate and
twisted homicide cover-ups they've ever
handled.
>> Deputy Ventur with the sheriff's office.
By chance, have you seen your your
neighbors over?
>> No, sir. I had. And I I've been really
worried about him. Okay.
>> Since January.
>> And we were real good friends and
everything. Okay. And we were both on
the James Canyon Fire Department.
>> Mhm.
>> And then come January, it was just no
contact.
>> No contact at all. Come January,
>> I got him. I've been on the I was on the
James Canyon Fire Department there for
about 5 and a half years.
>> And when he moved up here, I talked him
into it.
>> Okay.
>> And I mean, we were real good friends
and everything.
>> And then Josh over here, he got on, we
got him on the fire department. Josh and
Heidi here would know more information
about them cuz
>> Okay.
>> I know. Uh,
>> do you know what the the address is over
there?
>> It's it's just this this that A-frame
right there.
>> This one right here?
>> Yeah, this one right here.
>> Hi. Can I help you?
>> Yes, ma'am. How are you? I'm Deputy Ptor
with the Turo County Sheriff's Office.
>> We were looking for Craig Setford.
>> Yeah, we haven't heard from Craig.
>> Okay.
>> Um, we're buying the house from him. He
was in Breen Ridge taking care of his
mom.
>> Okay.
>> And his wife Dena is my friend.
>> Um she's in and out from the house down
there.
>> Okay.
>> She hasn't really talked to him either,
which is weird.
>> Have you talked to Dena lately?
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And have you asked her anything about
like Craig? How he's
>> conflicting stories. He's in Breenriidge
taking care of his mom. We haven't heard
that.
>> Uh that's a conflicting story right
there. And she's saying Dena saying she
doesn't know where even that's not what
she's telling other people. So,
>> and Dena Dena goes on to tell the cops
that she thinks he's in Texas visiting
his another family member.
>> Yeah. Come on, man. Come on.
>> So, she's feeding she's feeding
disinformation to all the neighbors. You
know, Dena, to her credit, she she went
the extra mile to try to get away with
it. So, I hope she does. She might
>> doing or anything like that.
>> And from what she's telling me, she's
not talking to him either.
>> She's Oh, okay. So, are they like not
together right now? I think they're
splitting up.
>> You gota Okay.
>> Pretty sure that's what's happening.
>> And when was the last time you saw Dena
here in the in the area?
>> Um, it's probably been about 3 weeks
now.
>> About 3 weeks.
>> Yeah.
>> As far as Heidi knows, Craig and Dena
are in the middle of separating with
Craig supposedly staying at his mother's
house in Texas. That explanation doesn't
match what Dena told Craig's grandson,
Cody, who was under the impression that
his grandfather went to Mexico after
filing for divorce. To investigate
further, the deputy asks Heidi for
Dena's phone number and tries calling
her, but worryingly, it goes straight to
voicemail. With no immediate leads,
officers return to the station. Before
Deputy Pinter can relay his findings to
detectives, his phone starts ringing.
Interestingly, the caller is one of the
Fatfords.
>> Hello.
>> Uh, hi. Uh, missed a phone call.
>> Yes, ma'am. How are you? This is Deputy
Pur calling from the county Sheriff's
Office. I was calling in in reference to
your husband, Craig. It seems that uh he
hasn't been in contact with a lot of his
family and some of his friends,
>> right? Yeah, we have been separated and
I recently filed for divorce. Um he's
kind of he's involved with someone else
and currently he's in Mexico.
>> And when was the last time you saw him
or spoke to him?
>> Before he left.
>> Would you have an estimate like you know
was it like one week, two weeks?
>> First of the month.
>> First of the month. And you saw him in
person, correct?
>> Yes. Yes, he was packing. Yes.
>> Where was this at? Was this at your
residence on Heather?
>> Yes. He uh has moved out.
>> And where are you currently staying at?
I'm at my mom's in Texas. Seymour,
Texas.
>> Yeah. Well, I guess let me ask you, are
you going to permanently be staying at
Seymour uh Texas? No. Okay.
>> Until I see what happens in the divorce,
I'm going to ask for the property.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, I don't I don't think he's
missing.
>> On the line is Dena Thatford clarifying
that her husband is actually in Mexico
with another woman. the same story she
told Craig's grandson, but different
from what her neighbor reported.
Naturally, this drastically complicates
the investigation as locating a missing
person in another country is
exponentially more difficult. But during
the phone call, Dena also
>> Dena's saying just because she doesn't
miss him doesn't mean that he's not
missing Dena.
>> So, yeah. Did you say he was missing or
am I missing him? Yeah, I don't miss
him.
>> And he might be missing too, but I sure
don't. So, it's interesting. Before
technology,
if a guy that lived in the mountains
like Craig Thatford, if you hadn't seen
him for four months and you heard he had
skipped to Mexico, you just figured he'd
be sea fishing, you would accept the
story,
>> right? He's having sex with uh dubiously
young women for money and he's and he's
yeah he's fishing for for tuna on the
coast of Baja,
right? But nowadays it's like it's it's
he hasn't posted anything on his
Facebook. He's a boomer. He hasn't taken
really awful like grainy photos and, you
know, posted him to his [ __ ] Instagram
account.
Nothing on WhatsApp. Nothing. There's no
excuse anymore.
>> All right. All right.
>> By the way, by the way,
>> it would be Facebook, by the way. It
wouldn't be Instagram,
>> of course. But the boomers have tried.
There has been this boomer movement to
try to figure out Instagram. I've had
some ants of mine join Instagram and
it's one of the worst things that's ever
happened to me because they watch all my
stories. They comment on all my posts.
I'm like, I do filthy comedy.
You got to stop. You got to stop. Plus,
I'm say a lot of things about you know
who small hats. You
And then they go tell my mom. I have to
hear about it from my mom. Auntie Sue
says like you've been kind of spiraling
out. Shut up.
>> Auntie Sue are spiraling out. How's your
mom? My age. She said spiraling out.
>> She's spiraling. Yes. You know, Auntie
Sue says you're you've been posting.
Are you okay? Auntie Sue has been
watching your Instagram. She's saying
you've been kind of you've been angry.
You've been upset lately. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm upset because she's on
>> comedy
>> and not digging her own grave. Okay, go
ahead.
>> Goes on to explain that she suspected
Craig of cheating on her for nearly a
year before confirming the affair a
couple of months earlier. Now she's
staying with her mother in Texas, but
plans to return to New Mexico and fight
Craig in court to keep the property for
herself. The deputy confirms Dena's
current phone number before ending the
call. Aside from the inconsistent story
about Craig's whereabouts, police have
no reason to believe Dena is hiding
anything. But that is about to change.
You
>> know, I tried to warn Craig. She did
state if I could kill Craig and get away
with it, I'd do it.
>> My mom's crazy. Like, she's tried to
kill me before.
>> In the days that follow, Craig Thatford
is officially
>> Yeah,
>> it's Dena's daughter right there.
>> Yeah, she doesn't have any fans.
>> Entered into the FBI database as a
missing person, and the case is assigned
to Detective Bobby Curtis with the
district's major crimes unit. As Curtis
begins digging into the couple's
>> Yo, Bobby would get it.
>> If I could double up on Dena and Bobby.
>> Okay.
>> In an investigation room, dude.
>> Go ahead.
>> And one detail immediately stands out.
Craig is Dena's fourth husband. She had
already been married three times before,
and those relationships seemingly ended
under troubling circumstances. So Curtis
decides to call the people who might
know Dena best, her ex-husbands. And
what she's about to hear may not just
explain where Craig is, but also what
really happened to him.
>> I got a voicemail from you about an hour
ago. I guess
>> I was calling to see if you had a minute
to talk to me about Dena.
>> I was married to her 30 years ago. I
called her demon possessed one time and
drove her crazy.
I was told there was possibly a time
when she had tried to run you over with
her car.
>> I would probably say that's more her
drug addicted or alcohol addicted state
than she gets that way. And
that's the the best time to leave her
alone is when she's that way. So I think
that's how we we both survived for 10
years.
>> Hello.
>> Hi. Guys, Scotties.
>> Hi, it's Detective Curtis. First, let's
go ahead and start with the Why did you
guys end up getting a divorce?
>> Cuz she's crazy. She is what they
classify as a binge drinking alcoholic
treasure.
>> Yeah, she assaulted me multiple times,
broke two pair of glasses, bled up her
fist, and hit me twice to try to kill
me.
>> You know, I was always afraid something
like this was going to happen because I
knew she was capable. And then, you
know, when I when I saw that Craig was
missing, I immediately called. You know,
I tried to warn Craig multiple times and
she did state in front of me and my
wife. If I could kill Craig and get away
with it, I'd do it.
>> That final remark from Scott.
>> So, this is uh by the way, this is an
ex-husband, one of her ex-husbands.
His name's Scott Craighead.
Dena has a type for sure. It's it's
white guys with hillbilly accents. and
and goatees that are either named Scott
or Craig.
>> What would Here's the thing. What would
your ex-girlfriend say about you? Would
anything like like my my ex-wife would I
don't have any girlfriends or ex-wives,
ex-girlfriends or ex-wives that would
say anything remotely like this.
>> No, they would say, if I'm being honest,
they would say, "Oh, he lovebombed me.
He gaslit me. He I had known him for two
days and he said, "Let's fly to the
Bahamas."
>> Oh, yeah. You see? Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm
gonna get some narcissist um uh
manipulative lying cheated on me, but he
never tried to run me over with the car.
>> Right. No, no. There's no violence
whatsoever. It just our entire
relationship was a fraud.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Now, and I will say
>> I didn't know his name. I dated this
guy. I dated this guy. I thought his
name was Carter for [ __ ] 18 months.
>> I I I went to his room. He had six
different IDs.
Turns out he was on the run for the from
the feds.
Um I thought he was harmless cuz he was
5 foot five and a half.
Um okay. Now, and I just want to point
out one thing like another old school
thing was women hitting their husbands.
This was an old school women beating
their husbands. This is the problem with
with women not being hit.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Is that they feel no repercussion.
There's there's no threat of violence
for them. So they have nothing that
reigns them in. They don't have the
instinct that men have where it's like,
"All right, partner. All right. We're
good. Hey, we good." Because because we
don't want to get it. We don't want to
get in a fight. We want to avoid
violence.
Now, I don't really have a solution to
what I'm saying. You're gonna knock them
out. They hit you. They hit you. They're
a feminist. You punch them back. They'll
knock you out.
>> I don't think Dena was a feminist as
much as she was a a drunk psycho [ __ ]
>> Drunk psycho [ __ ] get knocked out
when they hit guys. And you know that's
what happened. That's how you teach them
a lesson. That's how you say, "Look, yo,
don't hit me again." Oh, okay. Boom. You
knock them out and next time she doesn't
hit you because she's like, "I'll get
knocked out."
>> It's like a dog when it bites you, you
hit it with the hose.
>> Of course, you you beat the out of the
dog. I would like to maybe instead of
maybe we don't say we hit the women
because we do have a Matt we're trying
to get the viewers. Okay. 20% 20% 20%.
Maybe we just say we spray him with a
hose. You you try to hit me with the
car. I'm gonna I'm gonna put the hose on
you.
>> Mace him. Can I mace him? I have mace.
>> I think you can mace him. I think at
that point you're well within your if
police would be well within their rights
to mace you or tase you. I think Craig
would be his rights to
>> you know I keep a thing of mace
underneath my my desk at the for the
podcast studio in case one of these guys
gets out of line.
>> I really have I have a can of mace
>> dude a little crazy. I I all a sudden I
start I start
>> shaking it up a little bit on these guys
about to get maed.
>> Can you imagine how viral you would go,
bro? Oh my god. I hope that happens.
>> He said snitch. Wait, how much he hates
snitches one too many times.
>> Yeah,
>> I'm like, this may go bad.
>> Hold on a second.
>> I have nothing, dude. I have no I have
no security. I have no weapons. I'm a
sitting duck.
>> Yeah, you got to get a launcher.
>> What's a launcher?
>> It's It's basically like a gun, but
you're allowed to have them. It It's
like a huge plet gun that you can shoot.
It's a non-lethal gun. not leave the
round.
>> Oh yeah, they're like 500 bucks, but
they are they will drop you.
>> Nice.
>> Oh, they they'll leave black and blue
marks on you like this.
>> Yeah, I would like to do that to my
producer.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> When he [ __ ] up, you know.
>> Yeah. No, I I don't I don't doubt you. I
mean, I don't I don't You're not wrong.
No,
>> I've uh Yeah, I've met him. Oh, one more
thing. Listen to this. You know that you
can get your gun rights back now.
>> Is that true?
>> Absolutely true. Absolutely true. Are
you getting yours back, Feland?
>> I I am going to Jess and I are going to
go to this lawyer. He's in Orlando. He's
in Orlando. I have a note. I'm going to
call him and schedule an appointment. If
you have a nonviolent uh federal crime,
well, you have a state crime. You But
but for feds, used to be you could get
the your state back. Now, if you have a
federal crime, you can also get it back.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah. I mean, as long as you didn't
like, you know, commit home invasion or
or shoot someone or something. Yeah.
Yeah. They So, it's been on the books.
It's been on the books for since like
the 1980s, but Congress never funded it.
So, the DEA was not allowed to use their
funds to process the paperwork. And
that's how they got around like, oh, we
p, you know, like the the the House uh
passed it, but the Senate wouldn't fund
it.
>> So, what Trump did was he just signed
like an executive order saying, "Okay,
all of these applications will be
processed by the pardon department,
which is already funded." And so they're
doing the first batch of 5,000. You're
allowed to start you're allowed to start
sending in your applications on
September 25th
>> and they're going to do a batch of 5,000
I believe in the first month they said
and then they'll be processing something
like 500 a month after that.
>> So I am I'm definitely for that. Um I'm
not a gun nut. I've never owned a gun,
but I definitely am pro- Second
Amendment. If that's the case, if you're
going to let felons have guns, right,
non-violent felons, put some
stipulations around it,
>> then if a felon gets caught with a gun,
that can't you can't enhance that.
>> No.
>> Like that's the [ __ ] of the federal
government. And we've talked about this
on the show. We talked about the Ruby
Ridge thing. Like,
>> wait a minute. That's if you get it
reinstated. If you're a felon and
haven't had it reinstated, then you can
get charged without being a felon. I'm
talking about that's that's [ __ ]
though. You know what I mean? If they're
reinstating that's just a technicality
that shouldn't be Oh, you got an extra 5
years. [ __ ] that.
>> I I hear you. I I get it. I'm just
telling you. Listen, man. I'm just I'm
just telling you to stop.
>> You're just a messenger. Fair enough.
>> Yeah. All right.
>> Doesn't bode well for the situation.
Following these statements from Dena's
ex-husbands, Detective Curtis decides
>> that's an old picture
>> to dig further into Scott's claims.
Turns out Dena worked as a correctional
officer for nearly 8 years in the early
2000s. Then in 2008, according to
>> What a shock. Crazy ass Dena about to be
uh investigated for killing her husband.
Drunk [ __ ] Tried to to to kill all of
her exes. Married four times. Unstable
psycho. What a shock. She was a cop.
>> Yeah. For 10 years. Did it say 10 years
or 10 years ago?
>> 10 years. She was No, for 10 years in
the early 2000s, she worked as a a rent
a cop, a correction,
>> correctional officer. All right.
>> This is This is the kind of [ __ ] that
you [ __ ] that that you've been in there
long enough, you [ __ ] her good, she
brings in a balloon for you. Go ahead.
>> Dena was arrested for allegedly trying
to stab him while intoxicated, an
incident that reportedly landed her in
jail overnight. After that, the couple
briefly reconciled. But in 2010, Scott
also alleged that Dena found his pistol
and chased him while pulling the
trigger, though the gun was not loaded
and he survived. As Curtis continues
reviewing the reports, she notices that
at various points over the years, Dena's
daughter Leslie had lived with her and
Craig. So, one of Curtis's
co-investigators reaches out to Leslie
to gain insights into what was happening
inside that house. When he finally gets
her on the phone, she shares some
startling information about her mother.
>> How are you this morning?
>> Good as it can be. How are you?
>> I'm good. So, whenever you were living
at the house, Leslie, was there domestic
violence going on in the house? Did your
mom and dad fight?
>> Yeah, all the time. My mom is crazy. My
mom is so crazy. Like, she's tried to
kill me before. She stabbed one of her
other husbands. She tried to run my real
dad over with a car. She had my sister
hog tied and thrown in a car and like
shipped off one time.
>> So was your mom?
>> Yep.
>> To everyone pretty much. She I always
thought she was like possessed like
demonic like it was so evil that like I
just couldn't even believe like it was
real.
>> Okay. At the time that uh that you were
there at the house, did your mom and dad
drink or use drugs? Either one of them.
>> Yeah, she she's an alcoholic. She's
always been. She also does other drugs
and I think she might have poisoned him
or been trying to poison him or
something like or like messing with his
medication or something.
>> Needless to say, Dena has no friends.
>> Listen to that resume, dude. Listen to
that [ __ ] that rap sheet. Tried to
stab her tried to stab her her current
husband. Tried to shoot her former
husband.
>> Tried to run her husband over. hog tied
her own daughter.
>> Yeah, by the way,
bite back. Do you know how hard it is to
hog tie somebody?
>> You need two people to do it minimum.
>> Say things are starting to sound grim.
There are now two separate people
alleging that Craig may be dead and that
Dena could somehow be involved. With
this troubling development in mind,
Detective Curtis moves on to review the
couple's recent financial activity. And
this is where things become very
peculiar. In the last four months, Dena
appears to have spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars, including a new
house and a new car, while also
potentially helping fund her son's new
business. With all these findings
combined, and Dena's shifting story,
investigators begin to suspect they may
be dealing with something far more
serious than a missing person case. And
the possibility of a concealed homicide
now sits squarely on the table. But in
the middle of trying to piece together
what really happened to Craig,
detectives receive a tip that his wife
Dena has returned home and is acting as
if nothing ever happened.
>> Hope somebody's home.
Following this, Deputy Roger Schoolcraft
is sent to check if Dena returned home
and can provide any answers. In a few
seconds, he will come face to face with
the one person investigators now believe
may be their prime suspect. That said,
let's get back to Deputy Roger, who is
on the verge of hearing a story that may
explain why Craig truly vanished.
>> Roger Schoolcraft.
I mean, talk about a guy on the
frontier, dude.
>> Hi. Good morning, Dana.
>> Yes.
>> Hi. Good morning. Good morning.
Hey, I'm doing some I'm Roger. I'm
sorry. Roger Sport.
>> Dina.
>> Yes. I think we met at a base uh
football game.
>> Probably did. I'm trying to do some
followup on uh Craig and I thought maybe
I can meet with you and maybe you could
try to kind of help me and give me some
information. And
>> Sure.
>> Can we sit somewhere or come over here?
>> All right. Kind of chilly.
>> I'm not open.
>> Okay. Well, obviously we got some calls
because people haven't been hearing from
her or anything. So, you being the wife,
you might be able to help me.
>> Well, it's his mom. I talked to his mom.
>> Oh, really? So, you guys aren't
>> No, we have been having some issues. Um,
>> okay.
>> I guess you would say we're separated.
>> How long's that been going on?
>> Um, nothing's legal yet. We just haven't
been spending any time together since at
least February.
>> February. Early February. Late February.
>> February. Or midFebruary.
>> Since midFebruary. Things weren't
working out. So you left. He left. How
did that
>> He left? He He told me, well, he first
went to Texas cuz he was said he needed
to go help his mom.
>> So he left here to go help his mom.
>> That's That was what he said. Yes. Um, I
I've never really had any reason not to
not believe what he said.
>> And that was like the second week of
February.
>> You You'll have to bear with me because
I don't keep track of time.
>> Even though Dena doesn't keep track of
time, she does seem to keep track of
other things like the details
surrounding Craig's disappearance.
Within just a few minutes of their
conversation, Deputy Roger notices that
Dena slightly adjusts her explanation
about Craig's whereabouts. now claiming
that he simply told her what he was
doing and she had no reason not to
believe him. But as the pair continue
rehashing the details, Dena begins to
visibly sense that Deputy Roger isn't
convinced. She appears to have no idea
of the amount of suspicion that's been
mounting against her. In reality, Dena
is wellprepared for this moment because
she's about to present what she believes
is concrete proof to validate her story
and put an end to the growing suspicion
around her.
>> I've never had a reason to doubt it, but
I now I do. I mean, I I really I think
that he has hooked up with some
youngsters
that are doing these classes and I think
he's reliving his youth and he's ready
for me to get out of the picture.
>> But where would he be doing that at?
>> Mexico, I guess. Mexico. But when I
would come home, I mean, he's been here.
Um,
uh, it got to the point where he would
just leave me a note like that one over
there.
>> Now, this there's been several. This is
this is our communication right here for
the last two months.
>> Okay.
>> And there's been several, but this is
the Now, this one is from not like two
weeks ago.
>> Okay. And you put please this is your
handwriting and that's his.
>> Yes. cuz his family's been calling me.
Where is he? You know, and I'm like, I
know as much as you do.
>> You know what?
>> Where's El Salto?
>> Mexico.
>> And he has
>> You could go to Mexico,
find somebody, and be like, look, you
don't know me. I don't know you. I'm
going to pay you
a couple hundred dollar. I'm gonna go
back across the border. I'm going to
send you texts. You're going to be
Craig, my husband,
>> right? and you're just gonna we're going
to create we're going to get in a fight
and here's give them the script put it
through chat GPT on your end figure out
to get the translation right
there's things you could do to create
because I I I actually didn't even
finish watching the video but there
there is if you created enough of a
narrative
if they can't find the body dude
>> yeah it's reasonable doubt first of all
she did did a very just she's just o
over she did an overwhelmingly bad job
of creating her alibi and all the things
that she could have done. She everything
is based on her word. She has no nothing
to corroborate anything that she says.
>> Right. Right.
>> You know which how she gets [ __ ] up
with that and they find the body
>> whole time. So it probably didn't help.
El Salto or Elsalto is a trophy bass
fishing.
>> Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm a big bass
fisherman, too.
>> He's I think this would make like the
third time he's been there.
>> Even if Deputy Roger tried, he couldn't
sound fully convinced that Craig
actually wrote this message, but he
takes the bait anyway, or at least
allows Dena to believe her plan is
unfolding exactly as she intended.
Conveniently, Dena quickly moves on to
the next step in her plan. There's
something downstairs that might help
clear things up, and she's willing to
share it off the record.
>> Can I say something off the record?
>> Sure.
>> Um,
all the money in cash. I can't get in
the safe, so I can't tell you if he took
it or if it's there.
>> All the money.
>> Mhm.
>> Why can't you get into the safe? I don't
have the combinations.
>> What?
>> If an officer's wearing a body camera,
>> it's not off the record.
>> There's no off the record.
>> First of all, everything you're saying,
you know what I'm saying? Like it's this
is all just statements that you're
making. There's no off the record. That
even it doesn't even matter if the
officer says, "Oh, yeah. Of course. Of
course."
>> Officer School Foot, whatever the [ __ ]
this guy's name is. He's Tommy Lee Jones
from No Country for Old Men. They don't
even know what off the record means. So
if you're in a court and a prosecutor's
presenting this, the judge could say,
"Objection." Yeah, but he already said
it, so it's in the juror's minds,
>> right?
>> Was that an issue between the two of
you? They wouldn't let you have access
to the safe.
>> It wasn't an issue with us, but uh it
was an issue with his first wife.
>> Well, she was stealing money from him or
what? Okay, I understand now. And how
much 1.5 million.
>> Could you show me where that safe is?
>> Okay,
>> that's a substantial amount of money by
anyone's standards. And Deputy Roger is
beginning to suspect he may already know
why Craig suddenly vanished. Even though
Dena claims she can't access the safe,
Roger will soon discover that this too
might not be true. But since Dena
brought up the money unprompted, Roger
recognizes an opportunity to dig deeper
and decides to take it.
>> I'm sorry.
>> You got me?
>> Got a bad knee. I'm apologizing.
>> Well, we could do
>> No, it's good.
>> Ground weight.
>> No, just getting old.
>> I feel you.
>> Holy smokes. Big house.
>> Yeah, it is
>> too big for two people.
>> It's way too big.
This is the bottom floor here or
>> Yes.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, that's cool.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. Good lord, that cost a penny.
>> Yeah, that was my present. And now I
don't know if I get to keep it.
>> Yeah.
>> This one and this one.
>> Oh, there's two of them.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you don't have the combination for
either. Say
>> no.
>> No. I just
>> you didn't keep it written down anywhere
and you know you don't know.
>> Okay.
>> As Roger checks the safe, he has no idea
that he is standing in the very spot
where Craig's body remained for days
before it was eventually moved and
hidden. None of that is apparent in this
moment, so the two head back upstairs
after taking a quick look. By this
point, Roger feels he's heard what he
came for and then some. But before
leaving, he decides to share a small
surprise he's been holding back.
>> Have you been married before, too? Or
>> Oh, gosh, yes.
>> Okay. Oh gosh, yes.
>> Yes.
>> Why do you say that?
>> Well, cuz I used to It seemed to be a
regular occurrence.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
>> No, no, it's it's I make it a joke. I
make it a joke. Yeah. I mean, I I just
It took me a long time to figure out I'm
the common denominator.
>> So, um
>> How many times were you married?
>> He is my fourth.
>> Your fourth? Okay.
>> Yes.
>> I don't know. Just a little history of
me. I'm actually a retired police
officer. Came back to work about two
years ago. I got bored sitting at home.
But the vast majority of my career, I
was I worked in in investigation C
homicide unit Albuquerque. So that's
most of my career has been doing that.
>> Deputy Roger leaves little room for
doubt, subtly making it clear that he is
in fact investigating a possible
homicide. Even though Dena tries to
appear nonchalant, her face tells a
different story. She looks visibly
takenback by the idea that a homicide
detective is now sitting in her living
room. And the timing of Roger's reveal
couldn't have been more deliberate.
Coming right after Dena seemingly
acknowledged that she's the common
denominator in her previous failed
marriages. With the surprise revealed,
Roger wraps up the conversation and
heads out, leaving Dena with a clear
implication that she may now be a prime
suspect in the possible homicide of her
husband, a thought that will soon begin
to consume her. At the same time, Roger
walks away with something else he
believes he identified during the
hour-long interview. a possible
financial motive behind Craig's
disappearance, as well as an even
stronger suspicion that he may have just
been speaking with the alleged killer
herself.
>> So Craig was
>> before heading back to the station to
relay his fight.
>> Craig was a baller.
>> Yeah, but I mean they never find that
money, right? Like when they finally get
in the safe, it's considerably less
money. But she's also been blowing m
blowing through everything. She blew
through
>> It's true. She She bought She bought a
new house, a new car. She blew through
hundreds of G's in the last couple of
months,
>> right? But that's through his bank
account. We don't know what he did with
the cash, what she did with the cash.
>> Wow. Is it possible that Craig was mixed
up with some illicit activity? What do
you think?
>> No. This is just a hardworking guy. He's
just been working his whole life. He's
probably got a couple pensions coming
in. He's still working doing, you know,
uh
>> I know there is a lot of money. If you
have a good roofing business, I know
those make a shitload of money. Oh yeah.
>> It's just wild to me like you hear about
because they always try to tell you
because you know they're trying to make
it illegal to have cash. All the
governments of the West are trying to
you know get everybody on digital money
and [ __ ] like that and they're like well
why do you need why do you need cash?
What are you some kind of drug dealer?
But like old school people would just
keep cash. They don't trust banks. They
don't trust the currency. endings.
Roger's relentless instincts get the
best of him. With more than two decades
of experience and having handled a case
with eerily similar circumstances that
later turned into a homicide, he can't
shake the feeling that something isn't
right. So instead of leaving right away,
he decides to stick around the
neighborhood and speak with people who
live nearby. A move that will not only
fuel Roger's growing suspicions, but
also reveal some new details police
hadn't fully heard before.
How are you doing?
>> How are you? Roger school. Have we met?
>> Yeah, I I was at school. You want to go
here? We can come up here.
>> Little dog by me.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Just a good barker.
>> What do you know anything on the last
time you saw him or talked to him?
>> You know, um it's been a while and
there's some weird stuff going on.
>> Yeah, for sure. And I'm I I don't want
to I'm not trying to implicate
>> right
>> anybody. From what it sounds like in the
past, you know, whenever those two get
like uh when I say those two,
>> um Craig and Dena, they get together and
you mix in a little bit of alcohol,
things get a little bit flammable or can
be.
>> And Craig said, "If anything ever
happens to me, I don't want one of these
calls." Dana has a combination to the
safe and I keep a I keep a an envelope
full of money in it. And this is the
only way I've been able to have any
communication with him and I don't even
know if it's him.
>> Wonder who he supposedly went fishing to
Mexico with. See, he had a call like
this a long time ago. Um, long story
short, turned into a murder, but she was
staying in the house 3 weeks after she
had murdered him and she dug him out in
the back porch and covered him up with a
tarp. kind of rings the same deal. Same
story. All he went on a fishing trip,
well, he kept not showing up for work
and people were calling.
>> So, he's really nowhere to be seen.
>> No, ma'am. He's nowhere to be found.
>> Everything we've been told and heard is
>> I'm not sure how
>> honest person and I I I want to say
something else, but I don't want to
implicate her.
>> You need to say it. When we first moved
here, WE WERE JUST HAVING CONVERSATIONS
and she was
>> That's how you should say she
>> That's how you break a suspect right
there.
>> That was the husband. That wasn't the
[ __ ] That wasn't the cop.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> That's how you control your woman, boys.
You need to say it.
>> Listen, old Roger's a slippery goat
because you know he already knows. Oh,
it's her. I just need
>> He is.
>> It's She's done. She's done.
She is a slippery old sea dog, isn't he?
>> How small is this town? Everybody knows
this guy. Oh, I know you.
>> Saw you at the football game.
>> Yeah, of course. I saw you down there at
the school one time.
>> Hey, this this is a way if you want if
you're out there listening and you're
trying to figure out how to husband, but
you know it'll look too obvious. This is
especially if you live up there in the
middle of nowhere and and everybody
knows you guys as volatile drunks,
right? Because this this very well could
have been them fighting and she gets a
knife and stabs him or shoots him,
right? Something like that. What you do
is you just set it up after you kill
him. You squeeze the trigger.
None of this is going to work. She's way
too stupid and drunk. But make it look
like like injure yourself and make it
look like self-defense. If you're a
lady, dude, nine out of 10 juries, I
mean, Lindsey Clancy and what we is not
helping, but nine out of 10 juries are
going to believe a lady and you might
walk.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know,
>> Yeah. There's a struggle with the gun.
He pulled a gun.
>> He pulled a He pulled a gun. We both had
guns. Yes. We were drinking. Yes. We got
in a fight. He hit me. I hit him back.
It escalated.
you know, but this is just too obvious.
>> All right, but she was like, if it
happened, you know, I'd be okay with it
coming to that effect.
>> By now, the pattern is becoming
impossible to ignore, and it seems like
everyone familiar with the couple is
thinking the same thing. They're just
hesitant to say it out loud. Notably,
Craig's firefighter friend Thomas also
reveals that Craig told him Dena has the
combination to this safe, directly
contradicting Dena's claims earlier when
she claimed she had no way of accessing
the money inside the safe. Roger records
these statements and eventually heads
back to the station to speak with the
lead detective, Curtis, to determine
their next steps. Even though
investigators are now strongly
considering the possibility of homicide,
they still lack physical evidence of
foul play or Craig's body, at least for
the time being.
5 days after his initial visit, Deputy
Roger returns to the Thatford's house to
follow up with Dena. They still haven't
been able to reach Craig, and the
situation is looking increasingly grim.
But this time, something different
awaits Roger. As he arrives and steps
out of his car, he notices something
unsettling on the ground.
>> Uhoh.
>> Good morning.
>> Come on in.
>> How are you?
>> Good. How are you?
>> Good. Good.
>> I was about to make some coffee.
>> I'll take some coffee. What are you
putting in the ground?
>> I'm not drinking anything this woman
makes.
>> I'm not putting in the ground. I was
trying.
>> Right.
>> No.
>> To flatten it. I'mma roll those rocks
back in there.
>> Oh, I saw that metal thing. I thought
maybe it was some kind of a
>> Oh, she's digging
>> Yeah, she's digging a grave. Absolutely.
>> She just told on herself right there.
No, no, no. I was trying to flatten it
from when I dug it up.
>> Yeah.
>> Put my husband in there.
>> It's an above ground gardening.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> Roger treats the discovery lightly, even
joking about the massive hole Dena dug
outside, but he'll soon find out that
he's been unknowingly walking right over
the truth this whole time.
>> Was he close to? Was he close to any of
the females at all?
>> He's nice to everybody. I mean,
everybody adores him.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, we were going to church and
>> uh everybody just loves him and the
neighbors, he would do anything for
anybody.
>> So, none of these neighbors had a gripe
with him or an issue with him.
>> Sounds like he needs killing.
>> [ __ ] psycho.
By the way, it's always it's always the
dead guy who before he got killed by his
wife told his buddy, "Hey, if she does
something to me, she's got the keys to
the safe. It's for my money. She knows
where it all is. Leave then."
>> Yeah, I was going to say if I have to
say that, I'm just leaving. If I have to
even think, hey, this just this chick
may kill me. I'm just I'm gone. Yeah.
Chicken around. Listen, how good how
good has that [ __ ] got to be for me to
stick around to risk it? It's worth
risk. Like, come on. She's an old broad.
>> That mouth must be like a [ __ ] like a
vacuum cleaner sucking a golf ball
through a garden hose, dude.
>> It's just so unusual. Somebody just
completely just completely pop off the
radar. Just poof, they're gone. Well,
it's a it's a mystery. I just keep
thinking he's maybe got an enemy that
we're not aware of or somebody that had
felt like they had something to gain.
>> I think, you know, if I had just left
when he told me to, then none of this
would have happened.
>> With this statement coming directly from
Dena, she has effectively pointed the
finger at herself. Whether she realizes
it or not remains to be seen. With the
remainder of the conversation yielding
no new leads, Roger wraps up his second
visit and heads out, still empty-handed.
But as he leaves the property, Roger has
no idea that this might be the last time
he ever sees Dena alive.
In the following weeks, things begin to
escalate dramatically as Dena appears to
have vanished. Any phone calls from
detectives went straight to voicemail
and police were unable to locate her.
Investigators also caught wind of rumors
alleging Dena was talking about fleeing
to Jamaica or taking her own life.
However, there's a huge development
that's about to happen today because
sometime in the afternoon, an old
co-orker of Dena from her prison job
calls lead detective Curtis with an
explosive tip.
>> Hello.
>> Hi. Is this Andrew?
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> This is Detective Curtis with the Otto
County Sheriff's Office. I had a message
that you had called.
>> Yes, ma'am.
All right. What can I help you with,
sir?
>> I recently got in touch with an old
friend of mine. She was married to that
dude. Apparently, she said she said she
shotty. I don't I don't I have a
conscience and I can't I couldn't just
not say nothing.
>> Can you tell me uh her name?
>> There's his wife.
>> Did she tell you when?
>> No. No, ma'am. I I don't have a I don't
know none of the pictures. What everyone
has been anticipating this entire time
has finally come to fruition. Seemingly
straight from Dena herself, according to
her old friend Andrew. However, without
a body or hard evidence, Detective
Curtis can't obtain an arrest warrant or
press any charges. But not long after
this call, another development takes
place. This time, police catch wind that
Dena was at her mother's house in Texas
and attempted to take her own life.
Detective Curtis realizes how quickly
and dangerously the situation is
escalating. If Dena manages to flee, or
worse yet, takes life, they may never
find Craig's body, and the case is
doomed to go cold.
With that possibility looming over the
case, Curtis decides to act fast. She
obtains a search warrant for Craig's
house and begins coordinating with the
major crimes unit to execute the search,
find Dena, and more importantly uncover
Craig's body. As coordination is
underway, Curtis sends a group of
detectives and heads out to Dena's
mother's residence. She needs to figure
out why Dena is trying to herself.
>> Watch this get stuck in here.
>> Hi, Mary. I'm Detective Curtis with the
Sheriff's Office in New Mexico. Is it
okay if we come in?
>> Sure.
I understand that uh these guys updated
you on why we're all here.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. We're hoping that maybe we could
talk to you a little bit about
everything that's going on if that's all
right.
>> Dina trying to take her
>> Did Did Dina tell you why she wanted to
take
>> No.
>> No. Did she have a method she was
planning on using?
>> I don't know.
>> She doesn't say that. I knew she was
real depressed,
but
I didn't expect any of this.
But how long has she been back here?
She She started coming back
off and on. I think it was maybe I'm not
sure. Dena's mother is visibly shaken by
the thought of her daughter harming
herself, but she can't explain why Dena
would take such drastic action.
Detective Curtis wraps up the interview
and gathers possible addresses for
Dena's acquaintances, hotels, and
hospitals where she might be. They need
to find her before she can do something
irreversible.
Hours later, back in New Mexico, the
major crimes unit is briefed, and the
coordination is in full effect.
Detective Curtis and Deputy Roger, along
with a group of officers, make their way
to the That The That The That The That
The That The That The That The That The
That The That The That Theford property,
hoping to find at least one of the two
alive.
>> Sheriff's Office.
>> Is there a code spot?
>> No.
Let me check these other doors.
>> No,
>> this one's already been forced.
>> It's already been what?
>> Huh?
>> After circling around the exterior of
the top floor, deputies discover one of
the front doors is suspiciously
unlocked, suggesting Dena may be
somewhere inside. Officers decide to
conduct an initial sweep for potential
threats. Given Dena's violent past, her
prison officer background, and the
murder allegations hanging over her,
deputies can't be too careful. One of
the deputies has a code for the garage
door downstairs. And that's where they
decide to make their entry
>> through the garage.
>> That door's
>> sheriff's office.
Where? It's
>> locked.
There stairs there.
>> There's two door to the left.
>> Two doors.
>> Open this
>> stairs. I got stairs.
>> Was it
>> you got stairs? If
>> you want So there's another door on this
other side. You want to check that door
and I'll stairs.
I got another door
>> behind you.
>> I got another door.
>> Blue.
>> Oh,
>> blue.
>> Good.
>> Yep. Back around.
>> After clearing the basement, officers
spot Craig's safe that's supposedly
holding $1.5 million in savings. A
locksmith quickly gets to work on
unlocking the safe while deputies head
upstairs to continue sweeping the house,
where they'll soon find their first
clues of foul play.
clear.
>> Call clear.
>> I already checked the bedroom here in
the bathroom in the closet.
>> As police finish sweeping the house,
they begin to notice multiple clues that
suggest a violent event and subsequent
cleanup. Multiple bottles of bleach
scattered throughout the house, a
surveillance system that appears to have
been physically disabled, and various
areas showing signs of cleaning. But
with no sign of Dena or Craig's body in
the main house, deputies move outside to
check the outuildings. Starting with
Craig's man cave.
>> This one
>> manave
SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SEARCH WAR.
>> Looks like you have an upstairs.
Small
room. Got a door.
>> Small room coming out.
>> Okay.
>> Small room.
>> Light it up.
>> Clear.
>> Clear.
>> So, I'm looking to see if there's any
cameras and see.
>> There's cameras on the back side of this
house.
>> Yeah.
come and take you.
>> Good.
>> I'm sure she destroyed it if there was
any.
>> Craig's got a Oh, dude. I just love
whatever this is. Middle America.
Craig's got an AK-47
banner on his wall and underneath it
says, "Come and take it. Come and take
her." By the way, how good are the
boomers doing? How good have they done?
Every time they go to interview somebody
over 65, they're just living. Nobody's
working anymore. They got all these
toys. Huge property. Huge property. No
kids.
Tons of stuff. Like they were they were
the most materialistic generation.
>> Oh my god. Will you stop?
>> And yet they're they're depressingly
they're they're depressed alcoholics
murdering each other.
>> God, the world will be a better place
than the last of them. There's they have
plenty of kids and and it looks like he
worked very hard and deserves everything
he's got. Let's move on.
>> That's inconsequential. Deserves
everything he got, Matt. Do we deserve
everything we have or is that just how
the the cookie crumbled? Is that just
the way that it shook out? Go ahead.
>> Is that dirt or is that blood?
As deputies continue their search, they
also find a table saw with possible
blood traces as well as suspected
splatter in the workshop area. But
still, no human body or remains
anywhere. In the meantime, back in the
basement of the main house, the
locksmith is seconds away from opening
Craig's safe and confirming something
Deputy Roger had suspected all along.
Let me get a photographer.
>> Where do you guys want us?
>> Camera.
>> We can get out of here for a minute if
you'd like.
>> No, you're good.
>> Bunch of hammer.
>> Holy smokes.
>> Kimber is missing.
>> I don't want to destroy this. Probably
not.
>> Looks like it was 42.
>> Okay.
>> 4200.
>> Okay.
>> She missed it.
>> Yeah.
>> 10,000 4200
70,000
>> 84,200
right here.
The total amount Deputy Roger counts is
far less than the $1.5 million Deanna
had told him was inside just a few weeks
ago. The missing money further supports
investigators speculations that Craig's
been dead for a while and that his wife
has been burning through his money.
>> As some as someone who's had cops
drilling open their safe in front of
them,
getting flashbacks right now, this
hurts.
But no, she straight up blew through.
Like that just shows you how quick you
can spend a million dollars if you're
motivated.
>> It's been six months, right? For the at
least three to four months. I mean, some
if she's blowing through the money in
the bank account, she's probably also
blowing through the same amount of money
in cash. Probably just handing out C. I
mean, people that are this kind of
bipolar.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, they they they want to be a
big shot. And she's probably giving
everybody she knows cash. Or kids. She's
got multiple kids. She's giving She's
got friends. Oh, you need some money.
She's giving them cash. You know, she
also probably knows it's coming down
>> for sure. That is a symptom. We've
talked about bipolar disorder and
schizophrenia.
That is one of the symptoms. My buddy
Zach,
whenever he's off his rocker, whenever
he's off his meds every couple, you
know, four, five, six years, the guy is
like running up the credit cards. I
mean, it's like an addiction. It's just
he ran he had a fully furnished house
>> and he still went to rent a center and
rented a brand new like living room set.
Hilarious. They just love spending
money. So yeah, this broad knew it was
the end. This is how a person who's
who's approaching the end axe, which I
which I approve of.
>> Buried somewhere beyond the property,
finding him could take months or longer.
What officers don't yet realize is that
Craig's body has been hidden in plain
sight the entire time.
As the search continues, a detective
back at the police station gets a call
from someone all too familiar with Dena,
her daughter Leslie. The last time the
detective spoke with Leslie, she
revealed startling allegations about her
mother's behavior during the time they
lived together. This time, however,
Leslie has critical information to
share. Details she and her siblings
supposedly knew for a while, but she's
the one who finally decided to talk.
>> Randy, it's Lizzie and I have Lesie on
the line. So, I told her that I had kind
of filled you in, but I was going to let
you ask her any questions you can ask.
>> Okay. Hi, Leslie. How are you this
morning?
>> Oh, you know,
>> hanging in there?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, good. So Leslie, can you tell me
what your mom told you?
>> It was just like everyone was being so
weird and I knew something was going on
but nobody would tell me anything. Well,
long story short, she came she said she
was going to and then she came to see me
one last time and she wanted to see my
son, her grandson one last time and then
she told me what happened.
>> What did she tell you happened? that
Craig pushed her down the stairs and she
shot him and he fell into the pool room.
She left him laying there on the floor
for like a day, two days and a half. And
then she wrapped him up, I don't know,
rug, plastic wrap and stuff. And then
they tied that up with a tractor and
they moved him with the tractor to the
carport
>> and there's two carports over there. And
I kind
>> Who's they
>> exactly? Who is they? I hope they
address that. Also, as I said,
she could have got off on that if what
she's saying is true. If he pushed her
down the stairs and she drew on him and
shot him, I mean,
>> I mean, that's a defense, but it it
doesn't it you know, it it's a defense,
but if that's the case, then why didn't
you just call the police? You should
have you you if you were
>> so far up there, you're you're so far
out in in the middle of nowhere, it it
takes the cops half an hour, 45 minutes
to get to you,
>> right? But once you shot him, you call
the police. He pushed me down the
stairs. I got hurt. I was laying at the
bottom of the stairs. He was coming
down. I thought he was going to kill me.
I pulled my gun. I shot him. Like, if
that's the truth, then there's going to
be evidence of that.
>> For sure. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I agree. If she wasn't so dumb, she
could have made it look she, you know,
she could have, I don't know, stabbed
herself,
>> something. But the daughter's not that
the daughter's not that bright. You can
tell.
>> No, no, no. None of these people will be
uh cracking the atom will be getting us
to Mars, if you know what I mean.
>> I have a feeling that he's probably in
the one by the bunk house where he used
to park like underneath the tractor or
like something parked on top of him.
Like it might be like they might have
dug like a little hole or something.
It's like a hidden in plain sight type
thing.
>> So why do you think your mom called you?
>> Well, I was the last one to find out. My
other siblings had already known for a
long time. She said she wanted to like
unbburden herself. All my siblings and
everybody was acting so weird. Then my
sister was crying and everything and she
asked me to come to her house to see
her. So I went to her house. And then
after I got back from there, like
everyone cut contact off with me and I
haven't talked to them since then. And
just like that, Leslie seemingly cracks
the case, giving investigators the
breakthrough they've been looking for.
The deputies back at the residence are
informed that Craig's body is hidden on
the property. Based on Leslie's tip,
they move to conduct a thorough search
of the detached metal carport west of
the house, where investigators will
discover that the truth has been hidden
in plain sight all along.
In the carport next to the tractor,
officers spot a large pile of cardboard
boxes, rugs, soil bags, and other items
stacked to hide something underneath. As
they clear the pile, black plastic
sheets become visible, and inside they
discover a human body concealed beneath
materials to hide the foul odor. After
transporting the body for an autopsy,
doctors estimated it's been deceased for
weeks to months, consistent with a
January killing.
>> So, she didn't even bury him.
>> No. Yeah. I mean, you had a you have the
that backhoe the the you have all this
stuff. You could dig a hole. You clearly
can dig a hole and you couldn't you
couldn't throw his body in the hole and
cover it up. I mean, you had months and
months before anybody even knew he was
deceased.
>> Yeah. You lazy [ __ ]
>> You lazy [ __ ] redneck living off a
pension. You could have drugg him,
you know, a hundred yards up the hill
and let the let the mountain lions eat
him.
>> Yeah. Anything. Anything. Instead,
you're you're Yeah. This woman's just
stupid.
>> Hey, man.
>> And and she's got the tractor. So,
right. Like she's got the tractor where
she just she can put him in a wrap him
up in a bag, tie something around his
legs. Like if you're like, "Oh, well she
he was heavy." Doesn't matter. You tie
something around and back the track uh a
rope around his feet and connect it to
the tractor and back the tractor. The
tractor will drag him out of the house.
The tractor will drag him into the hole
you've dug. You don't even have to lift
him up.
>> No. No. Uh, so many ways she could have
done this.
>> Instead, she's just going and visiting
the grandkids.
>> I'm sure
>> spending spending money.
>> Yeah.
>> Three or four gunshot wounds are found
on the left side, including one through
the heart, classifying the death as
humped. After using fingerprints, the
body is positively identified as Craig
Thatford.
>> So, three to the three to the chest.
Dude, it's hard to convince a jury that
that was in the in the panic of being
pushed down the stairs and assaulted by
your drunk husband. Oh, I squeezed one
perfectly through the heart
and then I hit him again. No, it sounds
like she probably stood over him and
shot him two more times, doesn't it?
>> I don't know. She She She wanted him
dead. That's for sure. She wasn't trying
to scare him. No, this wasn't like a
self-defree
to the chest is too convenient. That's
not a self-defense. Those aren't
self-defense hits.
>> Yeah. Just wanted him to go away. Leave
me alone.
>> An arrest warrant is officially issued
for Dena. And multiple units in both New
Mexico and Texas are informed to be on
the lookout for her. A few hours into
the search, officers in Texas receive
information from Dena's mother, Mary.
She tells them that Dena is at Red River
Hospital. Officers quickly arrive at the
hospital where they find
>> no friends
>> and Dena alive and unharmed. She's taken
into custody without incident.
>> What's up, girl?
>> As she's transported to the station for
questioning, Dena remains calm and
cordial, almost as if she's been
expecting this moment for months.
Detective Curtis now has a body and what
she believes enough evidence to pursue
homicide charges. But there's one final
question she doesn't have an answer to
yet. Why was Craig truly killed?
>> William, the district attorney's office
out in New Mexico.
>> Sorry.
>> I'm Detective Curtis with the County
Police Sheriff's Office.
>> Don't [ __ ] with camera recording
started.
>> So, I'm sure you understand why we're
all here.
>> Yes.
>> Did you get a copy of your arrest
warrant yesterday?
>> I haven't gotten a copy yet.
>> Okay.
>> Anything by anybody anywhere.
>> Okay. And I'm just gonna tell you right
now, I'm gonna need a lawyer.
>> Okay, next.
>> That's what's up, girl.
>> Okay,
>> this is my plan because I don't know any
better any other way.
>> I don't either, unfortunately.
>> They don't let me get very close.
>> As fate would have it, Detective Curtis
won't get the answer she hoped for as
Dena invokes her right to a lawyer,
effectively ending the interview.
Following this, Dena is booked into jail
without bond for first-degree murder and
tampering with evidence. And while the
why of Craig's death remains unanswered,
the investigation continues. In the
following weeks, detectives and
prosecutors gather their evidence and
build a classic circumstantial homicide
case, alleging Dena intentionally shot
Craig multiple times inside the house,
moved and hid his body, lied repeatedly
about his whereabouts, and looted shared
assets. Prosecutors believe what they
have will lead to a conviction with the
main open question being whether the
jury finds first-degree murder or a
lesser homicide charge. As of March
2026, Denaford's case is still in the
pre-trial phase and she remains innocent
until proven guilty in court. She faces
life in prison with the possibility of
parole after 30 years if convicted of
first-degree murder or 18 years if
convicted of seconddegree murder plus
additional time for the tampering
charge.
>> There you go, Matthew. Can we look up to
see if this has been adjudicated?
>> Can you look up?
>> Nice, dude. You're on it.
>> What was the name? Fedford.
>> Dena Fedford. She even took She even
took her man's last name even though he
was hubby number four.
She still changed her name. That's a old
school [ __ ] That's a down ass That's a
down ass chick, dude.
>> So, she uh New Mexico was sentenced in
to spend more than 20 years behind bars.
She was sentenced to 20 years. She
admitted to killing her husband whose
body was found wrapped in a pla in
plastic in the couple's carport.
>> Interesting. Okay. So, she ended up
taking a plea.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. So there you have it. Okay, I think
we just figured it out. Ladies, if
you've got any action, if it is a
circumstantial
case, if you have killed your husband,
but they don't have absolute proof,
they'll give you a plea deal.
>> The DA does not want to go in there and
risk losing, even if it's only a 10%
chance. Matt, I need you here, dude.
>> I know. I'm looking because I'm I'm
looking to see it. It does say 20 years,
but I saw something else that said
like something about there was an
additional 15 years, but I can't read
the article. Either way, uh, she mad
your eyes are. Somebody else sentenced
to 18 years. Plead guilty. She was
sentenced to 18 years. So, I got 20 and
18. I don't know which is what. Listen,
she's she she's an old broad. She's
probably dying in prison. She might be
out when she's like 70 or early 80s, but
you don't last a long time in prison.
So, you think you said there was another
person?
>> No, it No, it didn't. It It said
>> Oh, okay.
>> I'm just saying I can't read the
articles. There's a It's behind a payw
wall, so you only get a little bit.
Okay. So, here it is. Dina Fatford was
sentenced to 18 years in New Mexico
Department of Corrections on Okay. She
was sentenced to the following her
guilty plea sentence, seconddegree
murdered, tampering with evidence, blah
blah blah. Hold on a second. This is the
other part. The sentence was structured
this way. 18 months for forgery
and three years for tampering with
evidence concurrent with 15 years in
prison for uh uh and the three years. So
it's 15 plus the three years for the
tampering. So total of 18. Okay, that
makes sense.
>> So there you go. So she before they went
to the box, she they gave her a plea
deal. She goes and I guarantee she made
it up. She said, "Yeah, I was pushed
down the stairs. He was drunk. I was in
fear for my life."
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. Did I stand over him after he was
riving from the bullet and put two more
in him? Yes, I did. But
>> he was trying to kill me.
>> He was trying to kill me. That's That's
what I'm saying. She could have even
avoided that if she had just made up a
decent, you know, framed decent story
and called the cops instead of ditched
his body, you know?
>> Yeah. I'm hormonal. I'm going through uh
I'm I'm going through menopause. I can't
be held responsible. I'm you know.
>> Yeah. Menopause, dude.
>> Yeah. Lesie uh or uh what's her name?
Lesie. Uh uh Clancy. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Lindsay. Lindsay Clansy. Lindsay.
>> Lindsay. Clancy. My box is drying up. Uh
my my I'm way, you know, I'm used up.
I'm good.
>> God,
horrible.
>> My eggs are hardboiled now. Yeah. Like
that's what I mean. I I think I think
we've learned a couple of things from
this video. One is relationship advice.
>> Relationships are hard. They're hard.
>> Guys, if if you're in a relationship
with a woman and she shows you who she
is, she tries to run you over with the
car. Believe her.
>> Mhm.
>> Believe her.
>> She stabbed her ex-husband. She's tried
to kill husbands. She's a a blackout
drunk.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> Thailand,
>> baby. I hog tied my my daughter, but
that was a different me. That was a
different time.
>> Could you imagine one trip to like
Thailand? This guy would have a totally
different outlook on dating. Just one
trip.
>> And he's not he's not broke, Bo. He's
not broke.
>> No. No. You could get a a chick without
a dick in Thailand for $1.5 million.
>> Yeah. I heard the ones with them are
kind of a bargain. Really? But they're
dude,
>> you go Matt Matt, you get yourself a a a
Thai lady boy, you'll be all for trans
rights. Tell you that.
>> What was it? What was that? Is it what
was the name of the the hotel? There was
some
Lotus White Lotus or something hotel or
something on HBO or not HBO, Netflix or
something. And that guy, he describes
the the lady boy and then he wanted to
be a lady boy. Bro, it was Oh my god.
[ __ ] hilarious. Hilarious.
>> Dude, Craig could have had a lady boy, a
boy, a girl, whatever Craig wanted. He I
mean, you don't I don't care how old
school you are. A woman tells me she's
been married three times before.
Here's here. Have another drink. Tell me
more. Yeah. And I used to work in a
prison and I hog tied my daughter. And
and keep in mind too, and the the
ex-husbands, one of them said, "I called
Craig. I told him she's crazy. I told
him like these people, everybody's
warning you. Her her daughters hate her
guts. Everybody hates her. Her mom
[ __ ] has a problem with her.
Everybody hates her. There's a reason
for that."
>> Yeah. It's I'm not saying I'm sure Craig
was the salt of the earth, but you kind
of had it coming.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's hence the 15
years. This happens to salt of the earth
people, by the way. That's why I don't
want to be the salt of the earth. I want
to be a little kind of a dick because
you know what?
>> You notice that when tragedies happen,
it's always like to the greatest guy. He
was the greatest guy. I don't want to be
the greatest guy.
>> Even Even Dena saying he was a great
guy. He was amazing guy.
>> I killed him.
>> Like I killed him.
>> You You never hear like You ever hear
like the guy was a complete [ __ ]
[ __ ] at the funeral like, "Hey,
listen to be honest. The guy was a
[ __ ] That's why he got murdered."
No, it's because he was a nice guy.
That's why he got murdered.
>> If he had been a bit of a dick, Dena
would have thought twice.
>> Yeah.
>> About, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Assaulting him. So, that's that's the
first lesson we have here is toxic
relationships. Ew.
>> Yeah. That's why this show we're we're
we're giving back. We're giving
>> Yeah, we are giving back. This is an
important show.
>> This is an above all an an important
show. I mean, first thing, we bring you
the facts. We do all the research
beforehand. We don't just half-hazardly
look at videos and then sit down to
podcast. But but two, it's it's it's an
important show because we kind of tell
you we show you how to live.
>> Yeah.
>> Be and the other thing is is that if
your wife hits you nowadays, be a
feminist her back.
>> I mean, you have to
>> treat her equal. Treat her equal.
>> Pose her down like the like the dog or
her,
>> right? Mer
>> get a taser. Taser world. You guys,
we've given you so many options for
non-lethal self-defense against your
spouse. We have what? What do you call
that? A plet gun. A strong pellet gun.
>> It's a launcher. They're called
launchers. They're I'm going to send you
one. You're going to be like, "Oh, I got
I got to have this just to have it.
>> I got to have a launcher." You There's a
launcher.
>> What I like about a launcher is I'm more
prone to shoot you with a launcher
because I know it's non-lethal.
>> Oh, I'm going to shoot you with the
launcher.
>> Yeah. Way before I'll shoot you with a
regular gun because I'm going to have to
be real problems with that gun. But I'll
shoot you two or three times with the
launcher knowing I'm not going to kill
this person, but I'm going to [ __ ] them
up pretty bad.
>> Oh, what? Honey, dinner's cold. Boom.
Got hit with the launcher. You know
better. Nobody's worse than where.
There's a launcher.
>> Come up with a name for it.
>> It's got to be a name for it.
>> Pelting something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You get launched.
>> You want to get pelted? What,
>> dude? So, there's so many non-lethal
options. Um, and I think the other if
you are gonna your spouse,
you don't need, first of all, if you're
gonna dump a body, dump the body. Go all
the way.
>> Yeah. Don't hang out with it.
>> Don't hang out with it. Don't apologize
to it. You know, she was, you know, her
in her drunk state. She was probably
trying to revive him.
Craig, I'm sorry, honey.
>> I know how to get him up,
>> bro. He probably got more action than
the la the the two days after he was
dead.
>> Dude, you think she sucked off his
[ __ ] dead dick?
>> Something
>> he was maybe. But you know what though?
After after you die, immediately after
you die, your dick gets hard. Have you
heard of that?
>> Yes, I have.
>> She was probably She probably jumped on
it. You know, she jumped on it or one
last [ __ ] rodeo.
So, don't do that, ladies. Make it seem
like he attacked you. Look at she got
away with it. She got she's doing 15.
She's gonna come home
or 18, whatever. But she's she's going
to a female prison. She's coming home.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's like you just make it look like
a seconddegree murder. Even if it was
first degree, and you'll do a couple of
years, you'll get jacked, you'll get
good sleep.
Prison's not that bad if you're a lady.
>> Yeah. She'll probably get a girlfriend.
99% of them [ __ ] get a girlfriend.
>> Yeah,
>> they click up. You know,
>> if you think lesbianism isn't genetic
within buried within most women, just go
to a female prison, dude.
>> Oh, yeah. Listen, most women are two
drinks away from a girl and girl
adventure. I mean, just in general.
That's just in general.
>> With guys,
that's why there's prison rape cuz
>> I got to take that [ __ ] He's resisting.
All right.
>> He's saying I would rather die.
>> Yeah, I'll take the stabbing,
>> bro. I Dude, Matt, what is it? 10 out of
10 times I would rather get stabbed than
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, now be honest. Be honest. Okay.
If if you knew that you were going to
get out, okay, if you knew you were
coming home to the life that you have
now, a good life, successful podcaster,
young wife, new hairline, fake teeth.
>> Where's this going?
>> Okay.
Would you? Or you could be stabbed to
death.
Or you could but or or you could be you
could give up that booty hole, give up
that starfish, give up that [ __ ]
pucker, but you get to come home to a
great life.
>> I don't know. Like, is he going to
romance me? I mean, he's gonna light
some candles, you know? Are we walking
the track holding the hand? Like, or is
taking it? Like is he
>> No, he's he's if you give up, if you
stop struggling, he's going to put he's
going to put some ketchup on it. What do
they have on the commissary? Do they
have any liquid on the commissary?
>> Can we go? Can we wrap this up?
>> We can go after you answer the question.
>> Listen, no. I'm sorry.
>> You're getting killed.
>> Yeah, you better kill me, dude. It's
funny because what was Jess's hint? She
said something the other day. She said,
I forget what it was. She goes, "Nobody
would know." And I said, "No, no, I I'd
know." I go, "It's the same reason I've
never [ __ ] a fat chick." I said, "You
know," I said, "I know. I know."
>> Hey, and the big man upstairs knows.
>> Right. Yeah. No.
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